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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Timing question (My running problem -update) (Peter Ogilvie)
   2. Zenith rebuild question (Tim Thorpe)
   3. Howling 109 SIII (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?=)
   4. Re: windshield protection not just for trees! (Rob MacCormick)
   5. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Rob MacCormick)
   6. Re: spin on oil filter adapters (Steve Mace)
   7. RE: Manifold pressure gauge (Easton Trevor A)
   8. RE: windshield protection not just for trees! (Easton Trevor A)
   9. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?=)
  10. RE: Howling 109 SIII (Easton Trevor A)
  11. RE: Howling 109 SIII (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  12. Re: Howling 109 SIII (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  13. RE: those thingys (Matt Peckham)
  14. Re: Howling 109 SIII (John Cranfield)
  15. Milk coming out of my nose. (Matt Peckham)
  16. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Bill Fishel)
  17. Re: Milk coming out of my nose. (Jeff Bieler)
  18. Re: Milk coming out of my nose. ([email-masked])
  19. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?=)
  20. RE: Howling 109 SIII (Simon J. Harding)
  21. RE: Milk coming out of my nose. (Matt Peckham)
  22. Spin-on filters (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  23. Limb risers (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  24. Unleaded (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
  25. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Kirk Hillman)
  26. Tranny mainshaft needed... (Bill Adams)
  27. RE: An Apology (Simon J. Harding)
  28. gobbledegook at end of my posts (Simon J. Harding)
  29. Re: Howling 109 SIII (Jeff Bieler)
  30. Re: gobbledegook at end of my posts (Tate Crumbley)
  31. Re: gobbledegook at end of my posts (Jerrod)
  32. RE: gobbledegook at end of my posts (Simon J. Harding)
  33. RE: gobbledegook at end of my posts (Simon J. Harding)
  34. Re: Unleaded fuel (Faure, Marin)
  35. GPS unit suggestions and test (Simon J. Harding)
  36. Re: Unleadedf fuel (Faure, Marin)
  37. RE: GPS unit suggestions and test (Matt Peckham)
  38. RE: GPS unit suggestions and test (Sergi, Michael)
  39. Re: Spin-on filters (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  40. RE: GPS unit suggestions and test (Matt Peckham)
  41. Re: GPS unit suggestions and test (Kirk Hillman)

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Message: 1
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Timing question (My running problem -update)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:14:09 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I set my cam up with the valves on #4 cylinder on the cusp of opening and 
closing.  Has worked fine for me and I don't have to have the timing set 
beyond 10 degrees advance.  Procedure was to set crank so that #1 was at TDC 
then rotate cam so that #4 valves were on the cusp.  There is actually a 
little detent there that will hold the cam im place while you figure out 
which keyway to use.  Then installed cam sprocket so there was as little 
slop as possible in the timing chain.  Got mine spot on by experimenting 
with all the keyways till I found the right one.

I'd check your cam timing again if your description is the way it is, you 
done it wrong if its not a typo.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
The instructions that came with the ACR cam and head had the following steps
>for lining up the cam and crank.
>25. roate crank to set #1 to TDC
>26. rotate crank until #1 and #2 valves are at overlap.  This means #1 is
>closing and #2 is opening.
>
>this follows the advice I have been given from msome others...and the way 
>we
>installed the new cam and head on Daves 109.  I double checked mine and 
>it's
>just like this.  The reason I ask is the only way I have been able to get
>mine to run smooth is with the timing between 18and 20 degrees advanced.  I
>have a timing light that has a timing dial built into it.  WHen the light 
>is
>set to 0, the crank mark is no where near the timing points.  I turn the
>dial on the light until the marks line up and its in the 18-20 range.
>I have heard that getting a higher compression head causes a retarded
>ignition but never an advance.  Prior to putting the head and cam in I was
>running the same carb, intake and exhaust, and electric ignition and I was
>able to get 3 degrees advance before she pings.
>As it sits now I think I could even get a few more degrees out of here.
>I have yet to try and use the book method of setting tdc and using a
>standard test light, turn dizzy till the light lights.  Guess I will try
>that and make sure that my other light is reading correctly.  Though the 
>GMC
>and Jeep are dead on with the light.......arrrrgh.
>anyideas?
>pete
> > That advice seems spot-on to my semi-retired mind...your Weber, flowing 
>at
> > 191cfm, should be just fine when jetted correctly.  Keep us posted.
> > Certainly want to know if your repair guy got the chain installed a 
>tooth
> > off...if he did he should definetly fix it for free!!! ;->)BTW, nice 
>pics
>of
> > your play time in the mud!
> >
> > JT/ric
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Peter said:
> >
> > Been talking with ACR.  My head was bench tested and flowed at 145cfm.
>The
> > SU1 3/4 they use in their kit flows at 195cfm.
> > They recommend changing my carb jetting.
> > I am also going to double check to make sure the guy that installed the
> > timing chain isn't off a tooth.  I can't say too much against him though
>as
> > he did the work for free......and it's me of course :-)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:54:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Tim Thorpe <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Zenith rebuild question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Matthew Wilson" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  I started taking the Zenith 36IV apart last night.  This is one of the
>last steps (I hope) in the mechanical rebuild.  So as I'm stepping through
>the green bible, it seems that the accelerator pump piston should pretty
>much drop out of the emulsion block when it is separated from the top cover.
>Step 8 says: Lift out accelerator pump piston.  The piston in my emulsion
>block will move up and down, but I can't seem to get it out of there.  So,
>um, am I missing something?  Should I not worry about it and leave it in
>there?

One possibility: the spring rests in a brass collar, sized
slightly larger than the main bore. The first part of the
bore is oversized to match the collar, which therefore
rests, ooh, 1/2" or so down in the bore. If your collar has
seized in place, you'll be able to push the piston in as
required but not pull it out. If it's working smoothly you
might just leave it; OTOH, if the collar is corroded in place
maybe other things have corroded, including ball valves and
fine channels in the emulsion column....

Tim.
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Tim Thorpe	                        Tel: +44 1223 240366 
[email-masked]                  Fax: +44 1223 414402
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:54:46 +0200
To: [email-masked]
From: Peter Thorén <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dear list,

Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got some 
really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope someone 
in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is written below 
(suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put High-Low 
stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no sounds. 
I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox in 4th 
gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again no sound. 
Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?

Sorry for the crosspost,

Peter

>Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has 
>made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox 
>or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause 
>including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings 
>and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new and I am 
>pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio transfer 
>case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and they 
>told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case body in 
>order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box starts 
>to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me a new 
>case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same sound. The 
>car behaves like this:
>
>The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident at higher 
>speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is increasing in 
>strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at approximately 
>70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is really loud 
>and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses earprotection). 
>Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately comes 
>back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes away for a 
>second or two and then comes back.
>
>I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been doing has 
>changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I have tried 
>synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear diff has 
>Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe this amount 
>of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of ideas. Could 
>someone pleas help?
>
>Peter

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Peter Thorén
PhD, Senior Research Scientist
Head of R&D section
National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
[email-masked]
http://w3.sva.se
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:44:03 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] windshield protection not just for trees!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have so many comments (sorry none useful)

1) If I were driving somewhere that might damage the vehicle I'd opt for a rental car....

2) Red Hot..get your limb risers.....sounds like a business opportunity...Get them now before they lose favor....I hadn't thought about the geographic variance.....I'll start right quick on a version for northern climes...built in heating element for ice and snow melting...better make 'em polarized as well.....

3) Note to self: ...Patience Rob, someday you'll be able to actually drive that land rover again....

4) uh? nevermind

Rob "I don't need no stinking limb risers.....I need a functional rear axle!" Maccormick

"Simon J. Harding" wrote:

> I had written out a response, but I've no time for this and don't see the point.  You live where you do and have your opinion.  I live here (thankfully)  and have my opinion.  So I'll limit my response to the following, regardless of how tempted I am to disparage whatever it is you do for a living, make snarky comments, etc...:  Dude, Whatever.
>
> TTFN,
> Simon "Way Wrong About Limb Risers I Guess I'll Get Some Right Quick" Harding
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>    Part 1.2    Type: application/ms-tnef
>            Encoding: base64

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:58:44 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Dr. Thoren,
I have an identical (sounds and scenarios are identical) ailment that I am working on here in Concord
MA USA. I have every reason to believe we are both dealing with a problem in the rear diff. My
salisbury rear diff has scoring on the carrier caused by contact with the pinion gear. I am currently
pursuing a limited rebuild of the read diff. Please keep me apprised of any information you learn in
assessment and remediation.

I have a digital mage of the diff. with cover removed. if you like I could email it to you.

Skoal!
Rob MacCormick
Concord, MA USA
[email-masked]

Peter Thorén wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got some
> really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope someone
> in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is written below
> (suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put High-Low
> stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no sounds.
> I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox in 4th
> gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again no sound.
> Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?
>
> Sorry for the crosspost,
>
> Peter
>
> >Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has
> >made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox
> >or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause
> >including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings
> >and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new and I am
> >pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio transfer
> >case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and they
> >told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case body in
> >order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box starts
> >to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me a new
> >case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same sound. The
> >car behaves like this:
> >
> >The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident at higher
> >speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is increasing in
> >strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at approximately
> >70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is really loud
> >and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses earprotection).
> >Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately comes
> >back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes away for a
> >second or two and then comes back.
> >
> >I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been doing has
> >changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I have tried
> >synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear diff has
> >Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe this amount
> >of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of ideas. Could
> >someone pleas help?
> >
> >Peter
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Peter Thorén
> PhD, Senior Research Scientist
> Head of R&D section
> National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
> Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
> P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
> Sweden
> Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
> Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
> [email-masked]
> http://w3.sva.se
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Message: 6
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:03:02 +0100
Subject: Re: [lro] spin on oil filter adapters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I use a spin-on adapter on the SIII (2.25P) and it uses the same filters as per 
my D90 (200tdi). Definitely worth getting... Quick, easy oil changes mean oil 
changes more frequently which must be a good thing.

On 2 Aug 2001, at 5:49, Jeff Bieler wrote:

> 
> Looking for some opinions on the spin on oil filter adapters out there.  In
> theory, it would be nice to get my engine oil and filters the same for both
> trucks (IIA and Discovery), but do these adapters work well?
> 
> Also, if they worth picking up, any installation tips?

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: [email-masked]
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877
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Message: 7
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'Faure, Marin '" <[email-masked]>,
   "''Land Rover Mail Group' '" <[email-masked]>
Cc: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:43:42 -0400 
Subject: [lro] RE: Manifold pressure gauge
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The waste gate on the turbo serves to dump excess manifold pressure
to prevent the compressor being overloaded and slowing down.

Nope.  The turbocharger is capable of generating far more boost 
at sea level than the engine can take. The waste gate is an overboost 
protector.  The gate dumps the excess air overboard, allowing only the 
maximum safe amount of air into the engine.  

Correct, but also overloading (Excess manifold pressure) will slow the turbo
and in an automotive application this is bad.

One big aircraft engine, the Wright R-3350 Turbo Compound engine, had an
interesting 
arrangement in that it had two turbochargers per engine, but instead of
the turbochargers 
compressing air and sending it to an induction system, the turbocharger
impellers were mechanically 
geared directly back to the engine's crankshaft.  

These are not "turbo" chargers but centrifugal superchargers. The Merlin and
many other aero engines used the same arrangement. The disadvantage of the
direct driven centrifugal blwer is that it's effect is greatest at higher
revs fine on an aero engine that operates in a narrow rev band but not on a
car which must work between 500 -5000rpm. Positive dispalement superchargers
(eg Roots Blowers etc) displace the same amount of air per rev (Given some
variables defined by Boyle, Pascal et al) and therefore serve to stuff extra
air into the cylinders regardless of engine speed. 

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Message: 8
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "'G. Mugele '" <[email-masked]>,
   "[email-masked] '"
	 <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] windshield protection not just for trees!
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:48:30 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Notwithstanding the merits or otherwise of limb risers on the trail. They
are a dangerous attachment to have in place anywhere else and should be made
so that they can be deployed for the trail and "parked" when driving to the
mall. Unless you make them out of 2" pipe like Aussie Roo Bars!!

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:45:05 +0200
To: [email-masked]
From: Peter Thorén <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi Rob,

Suggestions from the uk-lro list were also rear diff related so I assume I 
will have to look into it. I feel confident around gearboxes but diffs 
doesn´t sound like fun. Do you have any ideas what could cause such noice 
except for the scoring problem in your case? Regarding the digital image of 
the diff I would be nice if you could e-mail me a copy. I have the green 
bible so if it is a big inconveniance to you I can manage anyway. I will 
keep you posted of my findings!

Thanks,

Peter (please, skip the Dr. Thoren stuff, I am doing my best to avoid the 
academic style, hence my oily hands, three dogs, 40 sheep and two horses...)

At 07:58 2001-08-03 -0400, you wrote:

>Dr. Thoren,
>I have an identical (sounds and scenarios are identical) ailment that I am 
>working on here in Concord
>MA USA. I have every reason to believe we are both dealing with a problem 
>in the rear diff. My
>salisbury rear diff has scoring on the carrier caused by contact with the 
>pinion gear. I am currently
>pursuing a limited rebuild of the read diff. Please keep me apprised of 
>any information you learn in
>assessment and remediation.
>
>I have a digital mage of the diff. with cover removed. if you like I could 
>email it to you.
>
>Skoal!
>Rob MacCormick
>Concord, MA USA
>[email-masked]
>
>
>Peter Thorén wrote:
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got some
> > really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope someone
> > in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is written below
> > (suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put High-Low
> > stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no sounds.
> > I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox in 4th
> > gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again no sound.
> > Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?
> >
> > Sorry for the crosspost,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > >Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has
> > >made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox
> > >or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause
> > >including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings
> > >and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new and I am
> > >pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio transfer
> > >case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and they
> > >told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case body in
> > >order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box starts
> > >to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me a new
> > >case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same sound. The
> > >car behaves like this:
> > >
> > >The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident at higher
> > >speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is increasing in
> > >strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at approximately
> > >70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is really loud
> > >and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses earprotection).
> > >Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately comes
> > >back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes away for a
> > >second or two and then comes back.
> > >
> > >I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been doing has
> > >changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I have tried
> > >synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear diff has
> > >Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe this amount
> > >of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of ideas. Could
> > >someone pleas help?
> > >
> > >Peter
> >
> > 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Dr. Peter Thorén
> > PhD, Senior Research Scientist
> > Head of R&D section
> > National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
> > Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
> > P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
> > Sweden
> > Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
> > Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
> > [email-masked]
> > http://w3.sva.se
> > 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Peter Thorén
PhD, Senior Research Scientist
Head of R&D section
National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
[email-masked]
http://w3.sva.se
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Message: 10
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: 'Peter Thorén ' <[email-masked]>,
   "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:57:46 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I suffered a similar howl on the Rangie which was cured by resetting the
final drive backlash and making sure the pinion flanges were properly
torqued (This made the most difference, don't ask further)

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Message: 11
Subject: RE: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:15:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

making sure the pinion flanges were properly
torqued (This made the most difference, don't ask further)

Nuts loose, there, Trevor? 8*)

     aj"Always a dangerous thing...."r

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Message: 12
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 01 06:40:20 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has 
>>made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox 
>>or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause 
>>including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings 
>>and checking gears etc.

Hi Peter,

I had the exact same symptoms once in my Triumph TR3A.  I was sure it was 
my gearbox and replaced it with a newly rebuilt overdrive unit.  Still 
howled.  It turned out to be a badly worn ring and pinion gears.

When I had an ARB installed in my rear Salisbury last year the mechanic 
pointed out that the bearings in my old carrier had spun in the carrier 
and the pinion shaft was not held in place as well as it should have 
been.  When the ARB carrier was installed with the new bearings and 
correctly set up backlash I noticed a distinct decrease in sound on the 
open highway.

I would suggest having someone go through your rear Salisbury to check 
the condition of the carrier, bearings, gears and backlash setting.

Also, just for the fun of it, it never hurts to check the condition of 
the wheel bearings.

Best of luck

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 13
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] those thingys
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:45:35 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I don't have limb risers, I have Viagra!

Bob Dole

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Maiolo [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:16 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] those thingys

What? And all this time I thought they were for drying beef jerky on the
trail....

mmmmm....beef....jerky.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerrod" <[email-masked]>
To: "land rover list" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: [lro] those thingys

>
> Hello all!!  What are those cables that lead from the
> bull bar on the front to the roof rack on mostly
> expedition vehicles?  What are they used for?
>
> Sorry for the rookie question but 1 experience at a
> time will surely make me a pro.
>
> Peace,
> Jerrod
> '89RR
> redrover
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:57:17 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Like the others it sounds to me much like a rear diff noise.
The best thing to do is to get it set up again with the correct
clearances. Unfortunately the Salisbury unit is rather more tricky to
set up than the Rover diff as it must be done in place. Your principal
requirement will be patience and a selection of shims.
John and  Muddy

Peter Thorén wrote:
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> Some days ago I posted the following mail to the uk-lro list. I got some
> really nice responses but now I feel ideas are running out. I hope someone
> in this list might be able to help me. In addition to what is written below
> (suggestions from Alasdair Worsley) I have also tested to put High-Low
> stick in neutral and run the gearbox in 4th gear. This generates no sounds.
> I also tested to take away the rear prop shaft and run the gearbox in 4th
> gear with some resistance applied to it from the handbrake, again no sound.
> Could someone please enlighten me about this mystery?
> 
> Sorry for the crosspost,
> 
> Peter
> 
> >Ever since I bought my 109 (1975 2.25 diesel) back in early 1998 it has
> >made a howling/whining sound that I always thought came from the gearbox
> >or the transfer case. I have made numerous attempts to find out the cause
> >including pulling the gearbox three times changing all bearings, bushings
> >and checking gears etc. I can say that the gearboxes are as new and I am
> >pretty convinced they must be ok. The car also has a high ratio transfer
> >case (Ashcrofts) so I have been in contact with Ian and David and they
> >told me that it had happened that when drilling the transfer case body in
> >order to move the intermediate shaft it has happened that the box starts
> >to whine due to slight misalignment of the new hole. They sent me a new
> >case and I have moved all parts over but still I get the same sound. The
> >car behaves like this:
> >
> >The howling is most likely there all the time but it get evident at higher
> >speed and especially when changing gear to 4th. The sound is increasing in
> >strength with speed of car and starts to get really high at approximately
> >70 km/h and at 90 km/h (when I manage to get there...) it is really loud
> >and your ears get really tired after some time (swmbo uses earprotection).
> >Sound is completely gone when pressing the clutch and immediately comes
> >back when releasing it. When breaking using the engine  it goes away for a
> >second or two and then comes back.
> >
> >I really need some input on this one. Nothing that I have been doing has
> >changed the sound in any way. Oils are new and levels are ok. I have tried
> >synthetic oil, STP additive but with no success. Also the rear diff has
> >Red line synthetic oil but made no difference. I cant believe this amount
> >of sound would be considered normal and I am running out of ideas. Could
> >someone pleas help?
> >
> >Peter
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Peter Thorén
> PhD, Senior Research Scientist
> Head of R&D section
> National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
> Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
> P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
> Sweden
> Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
> Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
> [email-masked]
> http://w3.sva.se
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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Message: 15
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:17:23 -0400 
Subject: [lro] Milk coming out of my nose.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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ok, this is the funniest video I have seen in SOME time.
 
http://www.bogginfreaks.com/gallery/albums/cjashowandshine/acr.mpg
<http://www.bogginfreaks.com/gallery/albums/cjashowandshine/acr.mpg> 
 
enjoy.
 
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Message: 16
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:32:57 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Peter
I damaged my rear diff a couple weeks ago and replaced it with one of my used spares. My "gearbox" now has a howling that acts similar to what you described. The only difference in the drive line is the rear differential. I'm convinced the rear diff is the problem in my vehicle.
Bill Fishel 

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:39:46 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Milk coming out of my nose.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Is it me or is there someone in the passenger seat and someone in the
rear seat?

I like th hi-five at the end. "Yes, I meant to do that."

Matt Peckham wrote:

>  ok, this is the funniest video I have seen in SOME
> time.http://www.bogginfreaks.com/gallery/albums/cjashowandshine/acr.mpgenjoy.Matt
> Peckham

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<p>I like th hi-five at the end. "Yes, I meant to do that."
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Message: 18
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:00:08 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Milk coming out of my nose.
To: [email-masked]
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> Is it me or is there someone in the passenger seat and someone in the rear 
> 

Dog in back, looks like woman in passenger seat (angry girlfriend?)

Nate

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:55:06 +0200
To: [email-masked]
From: Peter Thorén <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ok,

The common knowledge of this list is saying rear diff problems. Just for 
fun I will take the rear prop off and go for a ride in frontwheel drive 
just to make sure.

Thanks a lot,

Peter

At 22:32 2001-08-03 -0400, you wrote:

>Peter
>I damaged my rear diff a couple weeks ago and replaced it with one of my 
>used spares. My "gearbox" now has a howling that acts similar to what you 
>described. The only difference in the drive line is the rear differential. 
>I'm convinced the rear diff is the problem in my vehicle.
>Bill Fishel
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
>http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro

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Dr. Peter Thorén
PhD, Senior Research Scientist
Head of R&D section
National Veterinary Institute (SVA)
Dept. of Virology, Research and Development
P.O. Box 585; SE-751 23 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46 18 67 43 73
Fax: +46 18 471 45 20
[email-masked]
http://w3.sva.se
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Message: 20
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:58:10 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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sounds similar to what my salisbury did before new bearings were put in. =
 The carrier bearings were pitted and one roller was actually gone!  But =
mine grumbled and growled whenever the vehicle was in motion without =
regard to the vehicle being in or out of gear, etc.  Whenever the rear =
wheels rolled appreciably, the diff growled.  If you determine to =
replace the bearings and if Timkin and Dana part numbers are of use to =
you, let me know as I have the numbers on hand.  Good luck.
Simon =20
ps:  my wife and I honeymooned in Sweden and enjoyed it very much.  I =
was going to tell you that Uppsala is beautiful, but the whole country =
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Message: 21
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Milk coming out of my nose.
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:05:30 -0400 
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there were at least 2 other people in it.  not that they weren't stupid for
going for a ride in a ramped vehicle...  I mean, it's dumb enough that he
got.... welll, if you haven't seen it, I won't spoil it for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Bieler [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:40 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Milk coming out of my nose.

Is it me or is there someone in the passenger seat and someone in the rear
seat? 

I like th hi-five at the end. "Yes, I meant to do that." 

Matt Peckham wrote: 

 ok, this is the funniest video I have seen in SOME time.
http://www.bogginfreaks.com/gallery/albums/cjashowandshine/acr.mpg
<http://www.bogginfreaks.com/gallery/albums/cjashowandshine/acr.mpg>
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:28:04 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Spin-on filters
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Looking for some opinions on the spin on oil filter adapters out there.  In
>theory, it would be nice to get my engine oil and filters the same for both
>trucks (IIA and Discovery), but do these adapters work well?
>
>Also, if they worth picking up, any installation tips?

The spin-on adapter was 'invented' by a Californian, Doug Richardson, circa
1975.  I installed one in 1976 after I got tired of filling my armpit up
with hot oil at every change.

Mind you, there are two types: a duplicate of Doug's original, and what
appears to be a mirror image.  The problem is that with the second type, if
you install the unit with the sender port near its earlier location
(top-forward), the oil passages are reversed and the oil pump will try to
pump 'in' the 'out' door of the filter.  Result is oil starvation.  More
than one engine has been ruined by this fault.

Caveat emptor.

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:28:08 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Limb risers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I have not seen an damaged frames but I have been with two LRs so far 
>that have ended up with branches breaking the windscreen glass.

Worst on film has to be the Spanish Disco on a CT - La Ruta Maya maybe?
Driver attempting to negotiate a trail at the edge of a lake at speed.  4"
log spears passenger side windscreen and exits through rear glass, taking
the passenger seat headrest with it.  Vehicle ends up impaled like an
insect on a mounting pin.  If anyone had been in that seat, the CT would
have had their first fatality.

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:28:09 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Unleaded
Reply-To: [email-masked]

David Scheidt <[email-masked]> wrote:

>To a man, they laughed and said the "unleaded is bad for older engines"
theory is crap....Not a single person that I talked to said they'd had any
problems with >running unleaded in their vehicles, and some of them had put
many tens of thousands >of highway miles on them.  These are stock engines,
by the way, not engines >modified with hardened seats or valves, or so the
owners all said.

>I'm not saying the lead thing is total bollocks, but that sure seemed like
an awful >lot of folks with leaded engines all saying that running unleaded
presented no >problems at all. 

As I understand it, as long as the engine had several years of leaded
petrol use *before* it was withdrawn, some of the lead's protectant
qualities will remain behind.  (I got this from a knowledgeable, old-time
service station owner/operator, back when such places actually had real
mechanics....)  Also, these 'show' vehicles have fairly low compression
engines and aren't driven like newer, every-day transportation (stop-n-go
commuting and interstate driving).  And some of these engines are truly
massive and don't have to 'work' so hard to move that led sled around - on
weekend jaunts.

Lead did several things: lubricate and 'cushion' valve seats but more
importantly, valve stems and guides.  I replaced valves in 1987 with
non-stellite ones 'cause I had 'em stashed in the kit since '75.  At that
time lead was expected to be around for a few years, but was withdrawn a
year later.  Valve guide wear caused one to tilt, leading to an eventual
crack, as it would contact the head at the same point with each movement.

If you see the blue puff on startup, evidence of oil draindown and valve
guide wear, expect a valve job in your future.

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 25
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:15:10 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

List,
    I had no idea so many people experienced the same phenomenon as I did.
It least now you understand why my LR got named Banshee!  : )

Kirk

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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:25:45 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Tranny mainshaft needed...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Anyone with a half-ass-embled Series tranny laying about who would care
to unload the mainshaft for a few clams?

Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 27
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "'G. Mugele'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:17:26 -0700
Subject: [lro] RE: An Apology
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Gerry:
	I re-read your last post after I made my reply.  My reply was asinine and I apologize.  I get a little touchy when it comes to my profession because lawyers are assumed to be jerks (I guess true in this instance!) and we are assumed to be rich, etc.  (in fact, my plumber probably makes more than I do and for shorter hours and less stress).  Honest, we are just ordinary people (really!) and for most of us, the money is just ok and the stress is very high.  I agree that my posts may have appeared in part arrogant and crunchy granola tree hugger superior.  All are entitled to their own opinions and you and I appear to, as you point out, agree on risers.  Your, for lack of a better word, philosophy when it comes to rovers is the same as mine as to pretension and accoutrements such as winches, lights, bull bars, etc.  I use my 109 to get to places for camping, fishing, woodcutting, not for wheeling for the fun of it or to somehow prove my manhood.  I also agree that life is too !
short to endure the needlessly generated stomach acid caused by tiffs on the list or otherwise.  And so I accept your graciously offered handshake and offer my apologies.  I was not having too bad a day.  I was just out of line.  Plain and simple.  I've deleted the text of your kind and appropriate offlist post to me as I'm unsure if you would want it on the list.  I'm posting this by  cc to the list so I can eat my serving of crow and put this to bed.  I have to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em in posting to the list.  

To the list, sorry for taking the bandwidth but I felt I owed this to Gerry.  Now I'll 10-3 on this.

Simon

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Message: 28
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:22:09 -0700
Subject: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bob Bernard sent me a post telling me there is a bunch of alphabet soup at the end of my posts he is reading in digest mode.  Is this appearing on anyones real time messages I post?  I'm trying to confirm that I have a configure problem and that this is not solely a digest thing.

Simon

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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:47:00 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Howling 109 SIII
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Actually, we just had the same problem and resolution (howl caused by worn
R&P in the rear dif) on our 1997 Discovery.  Went through all the usual
suspects first (ujoints, drive shaft flange bolts, t-case, ect.) before we
finally tracked it down.

Good luck with your fix.

Jeff

Kirk Hillman wrote:

> List,
>     I had no idea so many people experienced the same phenomenon as I did.
> It least now you understand why my LR got named Banshee!  : )
>
> Kirk
>
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:50:54 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Tate Crumbley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Simon,
    In Win2000 Eudora, your emails all come with an attachment of unknown 
type with the name the same as the subject of the email.

Thanks,
Tate

At 08:22 AM 8/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Bob Bernard sent me a post telling me there is a bunch of alphabet soup at 
>the end of my posts he is reading in digest mode.  Is this appearing on 
>anyones real time messages I post?  I'm trying to confirm that I have a 
>configure problem and that this is not solely a digest thing.
>
>Simon
>
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerrod <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

no gobbledegook here man.

Peace
--- "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
wrote:
> 
> Bob Bernard sent me a post telling me there is a
> bunch of alphabet soup at the end of my posts he is
> reading in digest mode.  Is this appearing on
> anyones real time messages I post?  I'm trying to
> confirm that I have a configure problem and that
> this is not solely a digest thing.
> 
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 32
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:03:44 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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ok, but there is no string of many many lines of letters and symbols?

Thanks.

From:	Tate Crumbley [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Friday, August 03, 2001 8:51 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts

Simon,
    In Win2000 Eudora, your emails all come with an attachment of unknown 
type with the name the same as the subject of the email.

Thanks,
Tate

At 08:22 AM 8/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Bob Bernard sent me a post telling me there is a bunch of alphabet soup at 
>the end of my posts he is reading in digest mode.  Is this appearing on 
>anyones real time messages I post?  I'm trying to confirm that I have a 
>configure problem and that this is not solely a digest thing.
>
>Simon
>
>_______________________________________________
>LRO mailing list
>[email-masked]
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Message: 33
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:04:20 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Thanks.  Just wanted to be sure I wasn't plugging up the list...
Simon

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jerrod [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Friday, August 03, 2001 8:57 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: [lro] gobbledegook at end of my posts

no gobbledegook here man.

Peace
--- "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
wrote:
> 
> Bob Bernard sent me a post telling me there is a
> bunch of alphabet soup at the end of my posts he is
> reading in digest mode.  Is this appearing on
> anyones real time messages I post?  I'm trying to
> confirm that I have a configure problem and that
> this is not solely a digest thing.
> 
> Simon
> 
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> [email-masked]
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Message: 34
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:48:57 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Re: Unleaded fuel
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:22:37 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Unleaded fuel (was manifold pressure gauge)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>All of the cases I heard about where 
burned valves were suspected to be the victims of unleaded fuel were 
in high-output engines and were driven far more enthusiastically than 
typical road use.

I would put the Rover 2.25 engine more in the class with the engines 
in the classic cars I referred to.  I certainly wouldn't consider it a 
high-output, high revving, performance engine.  As such, the lead 
vs unleaded issue is probably irrelevant to it.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 35
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:18:01 -0700
Subject: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a little extra coin and was thinking (pending spousal approval) of blowing some of it on a GPS unit.  I'd appreciate suggestions for a straightforward reliable unit as a starter.  I recall mention of the bottom of the line magellan as being too bottom of the line but beyond that I have not paid much attention.... I'm leaving for SE Oregon for about 5 - 6 days soon and would like to have one to play with and learn about on that trip.  I don't really have an idea of what the bells and whistles available in a GPS unit are, but prefer simpler to lots of fancy options.

Also, I'd like someone in real time to let me know if this post comes with a long string of gunk at the end, or if its clean.  Bob Bernard is in Digest mode and will be doing the same from there.  I tried unsubbing and resubbing in the faint hope of fixing it.  Its not happening with my mail offlist.  If there is junk at the end of my posts, I'll keep working on fixing it and won't post until I believe its fixed.

Simon

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Message: 36
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:21:38 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Re: Unleadedf fuel
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:22:37 -0700
To: [email-masked]
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Unleaded fuel (was manifold pressure gauge)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> But,  unlike Marin, I have 
not been driving for 53 years!  (heck I'm only a little bit older 
than that, he must be REALLY old)

Sorry, my comment was misleading.  I am currently 53, I've actually 
been driving for only 40 years or so.  I started driving when I was 
12 or 13 on the ranch I worked on in the summers.  I drove 
a Jeep (don't know what model) and a caterpillar tractor that 
was powered by a big gasoline engine and steered with a 
steering wheel.  Sort of.  You'd turn the wheel to the right, 
and that would disengage the right tread, and the tractor 
would start to turn.  If you wanted to turn sharp, you stepped 
on the right tread brake pedal.  The tractor (which was not 
made by Caterpillar) was started with a huge hand crank 
permanently attached to the front of the engine.  We used 
it and a pair of Clydesdales to pull windfalls out of the woods to 
cut up for the ranch to use in the winter. This was in northern 
California in the hills between Santa Rosa and Calistoga.  It's 
probably all housing developments today, but back in the 
late 50s the hills were all woods and ranches and manzanita.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 37
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:49:24 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Kraft Mac 'n' Cheese: Garmin emap (from Walmart)
Sirloin: Magellan 330X or Garmin eTrex Legend
Perrier Jouét: Garmin GPS 76

$170, $250, and $350, respectively (latest I checked.)

I have the Mac 'n' cheese, and it's yummy.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon J. Harding [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:18 PM
To: [email-masked]'
Subject: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test

I have a little extra coin and was thinking (pending spousal approval) of
blowing some of it on a GPS unit.  I'd appreciate suggestions for a
straightforward reliable unit as a starter.  I recall mention of the bottom
of the line magellan as being too bottom of the line but beyond that I have
not paid much attention.... I'm leaving for SE Oregon for about 5 - 6 days
soon and would like to have one to play with and learn about on that trip.
I don't really have an idea of what the bells and whistles available in a
GPS unit are, but prefer simpler to lots of fancy options.

Also, I'd like someone in real time to let me know if this post comes with a
long string of gunk at the end, or if its clean.  Bob Bernard is in Digest
mode and will be doing the same from there.  I tried unsubbing and resubbing
in the faint hope of fixing it.  Its not happening with my mail offlist.  If
there is junk at the end of my posts, I'll keep working on fixing it and
won't post until I believe its fixed.

Simon

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Message: 38
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:05:29 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I enjoy my Garmin GPS III.  It works great for on road driving/off road or
at sea.  It can be used as a handheld or surface mount.

Mike

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Message: 39
Subject: Re: [lro] Spin-on filters
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 01 10:23:58 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Mind you, there are two types: 

Or you could spend a little extra and get the genuine Land Rover spin on 
oil filter adaptor.  It was standard on the 2.5L engines.

I have a poor picture of one at:

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/filterAdapter.htm

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 40
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:07:33 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

oh, forgot about the new Garmin GPS V.  It's the successor to the Garmin
III+

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Sergi, Michael [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:05 PM
To: [email-masked]'
Subject: RE: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test

I enjoy my Garmin GPS III.  It works great for on road driving/off road or
at sea.  It can be used as a handheld or surface mount.

Mike

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Message: 41
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] GPS unit suggestions and test
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:01:58 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Simon,
    I am running real time and there is no garbage at the end of your
message.  Note that I am using Win98 and Outlook Express.

Kirk

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