Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #32 - 31 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (Phil Norris)
   2. Re: know I know why I bought the rover... (Phil Norris)
   3. Re: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (Bill Adams)
   4. Timm Cooper contact info? (Bill Adams)
   5. RE: Timm Cooper contact info? (Simon J. Harding)
   6. RE: Timm Cooper contact info? (Simon J. Harding)
   7. In a clutch (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   8. Kids and Rovers (A. P. (Sandy) Grice)
   9. RE: know I know why I bought the rover... (Simon J. Harding)
  10. RE: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (Simon J. Harding)
  11. RE: In a clutch (Simon J. Harding)
  12. RE: In a clutch (DaveB)
  13. My running problem -update (Hope Peter)
  14. RE: My running problem -update (Tackley, John)
  15. Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds) (Faure, Marin)
  16. Art Bitterman e-mail address (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  17. Joseph Broach e-mail address? (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  18. Old North State LR Society (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  19. Re: Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds) (David Scheidt)
  20. RE: Art Bitterman e-mail address (Simon J. Harding)
  21. RE: Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds) (Sergi, Michael)
  22. Re: Old North State LR Society (Brad Crittenden)
  23. Re: Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds) (Perrone Ford)
  24. Re: Re: Speed (Frank Elson)
  25. RE: Art Bitterman e-mail address (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  26. speed (William L Leacock)
  27. Re: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (M. Tompkins)
  28. RE: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (Scott Wickham Jr.)
  29. Re: LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (M. Tompkins)
  30. Re: carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines) (Bruce D. Fowler)
  31. Re: carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines) (Bruce D. Fowler)

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Message: 1
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:09:27 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Glad to hear you're ok... another case for why I drive a Rover!
Brgds
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: M. Tompkins <[email-masked]>
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Date: 01 August 2001 03:28
Subject: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)

>
>Monday morning an Isu*u Rodeo tried to play
>Rhino and ram me from the rear. It was a pretty
>good jolt and wrenched my back, hopefully just
>some muscle spasm. High back buckets prevented
>any whiplash. The other driver was unhurt. As I
>pulled forward and onto the shoulder of the road
>I could see that there was extensive damage to
>the front of the thing that slammed into me.
>Of course the initial reaction is 'awww sh*t,
>just what I need'. I was headed to the morning
>stand-up with the Wing Commander. My
>next reaction was some surprise that the back
>window in my 109 station wagon was still intact.
>I get out and looked back and the Isu*u is leaking
>anti-freeze and I tell the woman she better turn her
>engine off. I then look at the rear of my LR and
>can't see any damage. I move closer and really take a
>good look but still can't even find a scratch. I check
>out the front of the Isu*u and it's crumbled pretty
>good. I have a Brownchurch roof rack with the
>heavy duty ladder and you can see the imprint of
>the two ladder rails on the hood of the Isu*u. I turn
>back to inspect the ladder and only find some black
>paint chips from the Isu*u's hood. I flick them off and
>look closer at the ladder, but can't find any damage.
>Open the back door and it's fine. We exchange details,
>cops arrive, both Military and civilian, they get what they
>need. I drive away, Isu*u waits for the tow truck.
>Her insurance company calls me and tells me to take
>my vehicle to their local claims site so their guy can
>look at it. I tell them there is no damage, but they insist.
>So I go this afternoon. The rear galvanized cross member
>was painted black seven years ago when my LR underwent
>a frameover. Of course, the paint is chipping pretty bad.
>I tell the insurance guy there's no damage and he inspects
>my LR anyway. He starts talking about feathering and
>repainting the cross member. I ask if he's kidding me,
>telling him as long as there's no structural or mechanical
>damage I'm not concerned about how it looks. He says
>well we'll give you something and you can live with it.
>I figure ok.
>Then he starts checking out my Land Rover "Don't
>make them like this anymore do they".  He goes in, plays
>on the computer for a bit, 15 mins later he's handing me
>a check for $190, explaining 3 hours for feathering and
>two hours for painting. Yeah Right! No wonder insurance
>rates are so high.
>
>One last note, I used to have my spare on a swing
>away carrier attached to the back. Last time something
>hit me from the back the door and glass got wasted.
>After the door was replaced I never put the carrier
>back on and just put the tire on the roof rack. I'm
>now convinced I'm leaving the tire on the roof rack
>and selling that carrier.
>
>Cheers,
>Mike
>'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/
>
>
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Message: 2
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] know I know why I bought the rover...
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:12:09 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mine's a SW but the kids _do_ love it....
No hassle for muddy feet, where to put balls, bikes, kites, chairs etc plus
we always park out on the grass not on the tarmac at the park...  Could have
been made for keeping kids happy!
Brgds
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 01 August 2001 01:30
Subject: [lro] know I know why I bought the rover...

>
>Today was Mr. Mom day with myself and our 2 month old.
>
>I bought the Series for a lot of reasons, but while out and about running
>errands today with Cameron buckled into the child's seat (gets to ride up
>front, no airbags here!), I looked over at him as we bounced along over the
>potholes and he had the biggest sh*t eating grin I have ever seen.
>
>The weather is great, the door tops are off, the canvas is rolled up, and I
was
>cruising around with my boy.
>
>Now I know why I bought the rover.
>
>Jeff
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:52:09 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mike, forget the truck, how about you? I hope that you'll go get a
checkup and send her the bill, just for you own peace of mind. 
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:15:25 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Organization: U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Timm Cooper contact info?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If anyone has an email address or phone number for Timm, could you
please let me know? Thanks for any help.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Message: 5
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Timm Cooper contact info?
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:21:21 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Timm is in the Sierras for a couple weeks incommunicado.  May also hit =
the Rubicon.  Was supposedly leaving Sunday.  He can be reached at 503 =
236 0101 when he is in Portland.  His number in Medford, aka Deadford, =
OR is 541 535 4146.  He's moving soon so I've no clue how much longer =
the Medford number will be good.  Not that anyone asked, but Timm is an =
absolute true believer and one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

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copy of this message.

Simon J. Harding
Attorney at Law
Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C.
503.223.4131
[email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From:	Bill Adams [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:15 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	[lro] Timm Cooper contact info?

If anyone has an email address or phone number for Timm, could you
please let me know? Thanks for any help.
--=20
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"
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Message: 6
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Timm Cooper contact info?
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:21:52 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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PS:  He does not do email.

Simon
-----Original Message-----
From:	Bill Adams [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:15 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	[lro] Timm Cooper contact info?

If anyone has an email address or phone number for Timm, could you
please let me know? Thanks for any help.
-- 
Bill Adams
3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
International Broadcasting Bureau
Washington, D.C.
202-205-9638
[email-masked]

'66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
'81 GoldWing
'69 Le Sabre Convertible
'63 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"
_______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:39:04 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] In a clutch
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ed Bailey <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Last weekend I managed to change out the clutch and pressure plate in the 
>MF, my most energetic project to date.  All went well with the help of a 
>couple of friends, and by Saturday evening she was running fine.  However, 
>I have a question and a couple of observations which may be of interest:

>Is there a practical way to change the bearing without pulling the 
>transmission?

In order to move the gearbox rearward enough to get ample working room, you
have to pull the parking brake assembly.  6 of one, half dozen of the other
in terms of labor.  I've always just gone and pulled the whole box....  Of
course, if this is a IIa and not a III-style plastic bit, why change?  The
throwout bearing should last as long a s the 'box.

>Observation #3.  Getting the transmission/bell housing to mate back up with 
>the engine block was the hardest part. 

Fit two longish bolts with the heads cut off into the engine bellhousing
bolt holes.  Don't rest and great weight of the gearbox on these, but use
'em as an alignment tool to slide the gearbox home.  Once it slides on, and
a few other bolts are tightened up, remove these alignment aids.

>Then someone suggested punching the starter.  It walked right on!  This
was not >mentioned in either of the books, so I thought it might help
someone.  Thinking >back, I can't remember it the trans was in or out of
gear but I tend to think it >was in.

If it won't go that last half inch (it's hanging up on the splines....),
give the hand crank a twist....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:39:05 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Kids and Rovers
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Today was Mr. Mom day with myself and our 2 month old.

>I bought the Series for a lot of reasons, but while out and about running
>errands today with Cameron buckled into the child's seat (gets to ride up
>front, no airbags here!), I looked over at him as we bounced along over the
>potholes and he had the biggest sh*t eating grin I have ever seen.

Kids love Rovers.  Years ago...many years ago...when my nephew was just 5
months old (he's 27 now....) we would go for a ride in the Rover.  He was
at that stage where his mother was having trouble getting him to calm down,
go to sleep and quit fussin'.  Anyway, we would come to a stop light or
stop sign, and he would bawl bloody murder.  Get going again, and all was
quiet...you could tell he was just diggin' it, having a great time, 'til we
came to another stop.  The rougher the road, the more he'd like it and off
roading brought squeals of delight.   Unfortunately, he owns a jeep today....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 9
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] know I know why I bought the rover...
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:27:17 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Wait until he's older.  My sons Alex (nearly 7)  and Henry (Hell on =
Wheels at 3), love my 109 and would rather ride in it than our suburban. =
 My 5 year old daughter Lizzy, likes the rover but I think she likes the =
AC in the suburban better.  On a recent trip to the woods Alex covered =
the middle floor with his rock collection, various sticks and pine cones =
and tree cookies from the chain saw resulting from trail clearing work.  =
I can only imagine what going topless or having a canvas must be =
like....

Today was Mr. Mom day with myself and our 2 month old.

I bought the Series for a lot of reasons, but while out and about =
running
errands today with Cameron buckled into the child's seat (gets to ride =
up
front, no airbags here!), I looked over at him as we bounced along over =
the
potholes and he had the biggest sh*t eating grin I have ever seen.

The weather is great, the door tops are off, the canvas is rolled up, =
and I was
cruising around with my boy.

Now I know why I bought the rover.

Jeff

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Message: 10
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:30:48 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Nice to hear all is ok, but don't assume you are ok until a day or two =
go by.  I had considered a rear tire swing away and now won't go that =
route.  I do have the door mount but don't use it.  Your story also =
tells me I need to get on top of getting those high back seats....
Simon

-----Original Message-----
From:	M. Tompkins [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 PM
To:	LRO
Subject:	[lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)

Monday morning an Isu*u Rodeo tried to play
Rhino and ram me from the rear. It was a pretty
good jolt and wrenched my back, hopefully just
some muscle spasm. High back buckets prevented
any whiplash. The other driver was unhurt. As I
pulled forward and onto the shoulder of the road
I could see that there was extensive damage to
the front of the thing that slammed into me.
Of course the initial reaction is 'awww sh*t,
just what I need'. I was headed to the morning
stand-up with the Wing Commander. My
next reaction was some surprise that the back
window in my 109 station wagon was still intact.
I get out and looked back and the Isu*u is leaking
anti-freeze and I tell the woman she better turn her
engine off. I then look at the rear of my LR and
can't see any damage. I move closer and really take a
good look but still can't even find a scratch. I check
out the front of the Isu*u and it's crumbled pretty
good. I have a Brownchurch roof rack with the
heavy duty ladder and you can see the imprint of
the two ladder rails on the hood of the Isu*u. I turn
back to inspect the ladder and only find some black
paint chips from the Isu*u's hood. I flick them off and
look closer at the ladder, but can't find any damage.
Open the back door and it's fine. We exchange details,
cops arrive, both Military and civilian, they get what they
need. I drive away, Isu*u waits for the tow truck.
Her insurance company calls me and tells me to take
my vehicle to their local claims site so their guy can
look at it. I tell them there is no damage, but they insist.
So I go this afternoon. The rear galvanized cross member
was painted black seven years ago when my LR underwent
a frameover. Of course, the paint is chipping pretty bad.
I tell the insurance guy there's no damage and he inspects
my LR anyway. He starts talking about feathering and
repainting the cross member. I ask if he's kidding me,
telling him as long as there's no structural or mechanical
damage I'm not concerned about how it looks. He says
well we'll give you something and you can live with it.
I figure ok.
Then he starts checking out my Land Rover "Don't
make them like this anymore do they".  He goes in, plays
on the computer for a bit, 15 mins later he's handing me
a check for $190, explaining 3 hours for feathering and
two hours for painting. Yeah Right! No wonder insurance
rates are so high.

One last note, I used to have my spare on a swing
away carrier attached to the back. Last time something
hit me from the back the door and glass got wasted.
After the door was replaced I never put the carrier
back on and just put the tire on the roof rack. I'm
now convinced I'm leaving the tire on the roof rack
and selling that carrier.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

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Message: 11
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] In a clutch
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:42:15 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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Speaking of Timm, hitting the starter is his method of getting the engine and tranny to mate.

To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	[lro] In a clutch

Ed Bailey <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Last weekend I managed to change out the clutch and pressure plate in the 
>MF, my most energetic project to date.  All went well with the help of a 
>couple of friends, and by Saturday evening she was running fine.  However, 
>I have a question and a couple of observations which may be of interest:

>Is there a practical way to change the bearing without pulling the 
>transmission?

In order to move the gearbox rearward enough to get ample working room, you
have to pull the parking brake assembly.  6 of one, half dozen of the other
in terms of labor.  I've always just gone and pulled the whole box....  Of
course, if this is a IIa and not a III-style plastic bit, why change?  The
throwout bearing should last as long a s the 'box.

>Observation #3.  Getting the transmission/bell housing to mate back up with 
>the engine block was the hardest part. 

Fit two longish bolts with the heads cut off into the engine bellhousing
bolt holes.  Don't rest and great weight of the gearbox on these, but use
'em as an alignment tool to slide the gearbox home.  Once it slides on, and
a few other bolts are tightened up, remove these alignment aids.

>Then someone suggested punching the starter.  It walked right on!  This
was not >mentioned in either of the books, so I thought it might help
someone.  Thinking >back, I can't remember it the trans was in or out of
gear but I tend to think it >was in.

If it won't go that last half inch (it's hanging up on the splines....),
give the hand crank a twist....

Cheers

	*-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
	|                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
	|    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
	|     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
	|     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] In a clutch
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Speaking of Timm, hitting the starter is his method of getting the
> engine and tranny to mate.

well, after wrestling with them the first couple of times, and having
to it over once, I've found that if the weight is suppoorted, and you
are using 3 or 4 long studs to align the box with the engine, you can
eyeball the spline position. When it stops 1/2" out you turn the
handbrake drum and it slides right home. 

later

=====
DaveB
Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 13
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:42:04 -1000
Subject: [lro] My running problem -update
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Been talking with ACR.  My head was bench tested and flowed at 145cfm.  The
SU1 3/4 they use in their kit flows at 195cfm.
They recommend changing my carb jetting.
I am also going to double check to make sure the guy that installed the
timing chain isn't off a tooth.  I can't say too much against him though as
he did the work for free......and it's me of course :-)

Pete

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Message: 14
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] My running problem -update
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:23:01 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That advice seems spot-on to my semi-retired mind...your Weber, flowing at
191cfm, should be just fine when jetted correctly.  Keep us posted.
Certainly want to know if your repair guy got the chain installed a tooth
off...if he did he should definetly fix it for free!!! ;->)BTW, nice pics of
your play time in the mud!

JT/ric
Peter said:

Been talking with ACR.  My head was bench tested and flowed at 145cfm.  The
SU1 3/4 they use in their kit flows at 195cfm.
They recommend changing my carb jetting.
I am also going to double check to make sure the guy that installed the
timing chain isn't off a tooth.  I can't say too much against him though as
he did the work for free......and it's me of course :-)

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Message: 15
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:30:03 -0700 
Subject: [lro] Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Am Monday 30 July 2001 18:35 schrieb Faure, Marin:
> From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
> To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:49:58 +0200
> Subject: [lro] Engine Speeds
> Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Marin, I have read many times how you praised a manifold pressure gauge, 
but I don't know what a manifold pressure gauge tells me.

A manifold pressure gauge or vacuum gauge tells you the "atmospheric" 
pressure inside the manifold.  When the engine is not running, the pressure 
inside the manifold is the same as the pressure outside the manifold.  When 
the engine is running, the pressure inside the manifold will be less than the 
pressure outside.  A manifold pressure gauge such as those used in aircraft 
indicates the actual pressure inside the manifold.  The more closed the throttle 
is, the lower the reading.  A vacuum gauge is measuring the same thing, but 
it indicates the amount of vacuum in the manifold, rather than the actual 
pressure.  So with a vacuum gauge, the reading goes up as the throttle 
is closed, and down as it's opened.  It's just a matter of how the dials are 
marked.  Vacuum gauges are more common in automotive applications.

The value of this gauge is that it tells you how hard your engine is working.  The 
more you open the throttle, the higher the pressure inside the manifold.  If you're 
climbing a hill, or going up a freeway grade, you push your foot down to give the 
engine more gas to maintain your speed.  But what you don't know is how hard 
the engine is having to work to maintain that speed.  As the manifold pressure goes 
up, so do heat and strain on the moving components (and your fuel consumption, too).  
Having a manifold pressure gauge or vacuum gauge tells you exactly how hard you're 
asking your engine to work, and it will indicate that maybe it would be better for the 
engine if you shift down so it's turning faster but working less hard.

Given the extremely low power of the 2.25 engine, I suspect most Land Rover owners 
would be very surprised to see how high the manifold pressure actually is in most of 
their driving.  People that say they run around at 70 mph are making their engines 
work extremely hard, and not just in terms of rpm.  The chances are if their vehicles 
were equipped with vacuum gauges, the needle would be almost pegged during their 
driving at these speeds.

The gauge also tells you the condition of your engine in terns of compression.  It doesn't 
read compression, but at idle rpm the pressure or vacuum should be x, and under 
deceleration, say going down a hill in fourth, the reading should be y.  Once you know 
what these readings should be with a properly set up engine, you can tell if something's 
amiss if these readings start to change under those conditions.

Also, if you burn a valve or a valve clearance starts to slip, it will show up on the gauge as 
a rhythmic pulse with the engine at idle.  This is usually accompanied by a spitting sound 
out the exhaust.  The gauge won't tell you which valve has the problem, but it will show for 
sure that there is a problem.  I have caught several bad valve clearances thanks to the gauge, 
and caught them long before the situation became worse, like burning the valve.  The gauge also 
prompted me to check for burned valves once, which I had.  But I caught it and had the head 
overhauled before the burning had affected the valve seat, which on a 2.25 engine is machined 
into the head, not a separate press-in seat.  Burn the machined-in seat bad enough, and you 
either need a new head or you have to find a shop with the skill to machine the head and install 
separate seats, both of which are expensive propositions.

It's important that the gauge be fed from its own source directly on the manifold.  Tapping into 
an existing vacuum fitting greatly increases the chances of getting false or masked readings on 
the gauge.  I was lucky in that my California-spec SIII was fitted with an EGR valve, which 
utilized vacuum from the manifold.  I removed the EGR system soon after taking delivery of the 
new vehicle, but its vacuum fitting on the manifold was the perfect spot to hook up a vacuum (and later 
manifold pressure) gauge.  It's totally free of any other influence, with the result that the gauge is 
extremely accurate and sensitive to what's really going on inside the engine.

I got used to "interpreting" manifold pressure gauges ages ago when I started flying airplanes 
with constant-speed propellers.  But it doesn't take long to learn the normal readings on a 
manifold pressure or vacuum gauge, and after that the thing is invaluable in my opinion for 
helping maximize the life of an engine as well as getting the best fuel economy possible 
from it.  I haven't had a speedometer in my SIII since 1977, and I've never missed it at all.  The 
manifold pressure gauge and tachometer tell me everything I need to know.

>I have a Diesel if that is of importance for the answer. 
I'm really curious about that one.

I have very little experience with diesel engines other than the ones in our trawler, so 
I don't know how a manifold pressure or vacuum gauge should be interpreted in those 
engines.  I imagine the same way, but I don't know enough about them to give you a 
meaningful answer.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 01 09:34:48 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Art Bitterman e-mail address
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The address I have for Art Bitterman is bouncing.

I have : [email-masked]

Anyone have an e-mail address that works?

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 01 09:37:56 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Joseph Broach e-mail address?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The e-mail address I have for Joseph Broach is bouncing.

I have:

[email-masked]

Anyone have one that currently works?

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 01 09:27:18 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Old North State LR Society
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The link in my web site to the Old North State Land Rover Society, a 
North Carolina based touring society has broken.

Anyone know the current link to their web site?  I'm assuming they still 
exist.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:56:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Faure, Marin wrote:

:into the head, not a separate press-in seat.  Burn the machined-in seat
:bad enough, and you either need a new head or you have to find a shop
:with the skill to machine the head and install separate seats, both of
:which are expensive propositions.

About a 100 bucks to have this done.  There's no excuse not to do it if
you've got the head off, since you need to run with unleaded gas.

-- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Message: 20
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Art Bitterman e-mail address
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:48:34 -0700
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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check his site at guns and rovers.

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-----Original Message-----
From:	TeriAnn Wakeman [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:35 AM
To:	LRO list
Subject:	[lro] Art Bitterman e-mail address

The address I have for Art Bitterman is bouncing.

I have : [email-masked]

Anyone have an e-mail address that works?

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
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                              and more

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Message: 21
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:11:45 -0400 
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://www.classictruckshop.com/clubs/earlyburbs/projects/vac/uum.htm

This explains what a vacuum gauge can tell you pretty well.

Mike

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Message: 22
From: "Brad Crittenden" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Old North State LR Society
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:10:45 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

http://www.onslrs.org

thanks for updating your links.

--brad

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: [lro] Old North State LR Society

> 
> The link in my web site to the Old North State Land Rover Society, a 
> North Carolina based touring society has broken.
> 
> Anyone know the current link to their web site?  I'm assuming they still 
> exist.
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
> Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
> [email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
>                               and more
> 
> http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html
> 
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:34:48 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Manifold pressure gauge (was engine speeds)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Only one comment on this:

Manifold pressure can be more than outside pressure and often is for 
well designed engines and manifolds.  It's quite possible for engines 
and manifolds to be better than 120-130% volumetrically efficient, 
although your Land Rover won't even be close!  Usually you don't see 
this on street based motors, but given the current march of technology, 
it won't be long...

-P

Faure, Marin wrote:

> A manifold pressure gauge or vacuum gauge tells you the "atmospheric" 
> pressure inside the manifold.  When the engine is not running, the pressure 
> inside the manifold is the same as the pressure outside the manifold.  When 
> the engine is running, the pressure inside the manifold will be less than the 
> pressure outside.  A manifold pressure gauge such as those used in aircraft 

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Message: 24
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Speed
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:04:05 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

at last! hear hear Ed.
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Speed

>
> Aren't we placing a lot of emphasis on rpm and engine stress here?  Even
with
> the 16" wheels and tall tires, my SWB doesn't seem very happy above 50-55
> mph.  Drum brakes, square configuration (SWB), fairly high CG and solid
axles
> all seem to indicate a truck that was never really intended for interstate
> speeds.
>
> Ed Bailey
> 66 S2A SWB (Millennium Falcon)
> Somewhere in East Tennessee
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 25
Subject: RE: [lro] Art Bitterman e-mail address
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 01 12:12:25 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>check his site at guns and rovers.
>
That is where I got the address that is bouncing.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 26
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:53:55 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] speed
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Tim wrote  _  Bill Leacock wrote:
>Sorry Teri Ann your mathematics are screwed up, or you are running a 
>slipping clutch.
> Actually her numbers are correct for a tire that matches the stated
size 7.50 x 16 - or 31 inches in diameter.  I also ran your numbers and
it appears LR devised it's rpm number from a tire that was effectively 30
inches in diameter.  That is not surprising as tire diameter rarely
matches exactly the stated diameter. 

1) my real criticism of Teri Ann's numbers was the variation in the rev's
per mile / 1000 rev. for each of the speed ranges specified for a
constant vehicle tyre size.  Hence my clutch slipping comment. 

 2) The Michelin tyre data book list the outside dia of a 7,50 x 16 tyre
as 802 mm or 31.6 inches. However the static radius is 371 mm or 14.6
inches (29.2 inches diameter - 658 revolutions per mile) ) which is much
closer to the Rover figure.   
These are figures for a radial tyre.  A cross ply tyre is likely to be a
bit bigger since the tyre walls do not flex as readily.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:11:12 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Organization: M&M Stained Glass
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thanks for asking about me. I went right from the accident
to the hospital to get checked out. Doc says probably just
muscle/tissue damage, only time will tell for sure. He gave
me some medication and I'll head back to see him again next
week. I suspect I'll be fine in a few weeks.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

Bill Adams wrote:

> Mike, forget the truck, how about you? I hope that you'll go get a
> checkup and send her the bill, just for you own peace of mind.

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Message: 28
From: "Scott Wickham Jr." <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:39:42 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

  So Mike, are you going to paint a little Isuzu emblem on the wing for that
'kill'?

   Glad to hear your ok.  Let me guess, said woman was on the
cell/repremanding little Billy/fixing makeup?  Lately, I've been almost in a
few fender-benders.  Is it the heat or are people just too damn preoccupied
with other crap in their cars?  I've penned a good article (I think anyway)
for our newsletter and some of these opinions came out about drivers today.
Too many drivers?  Too many angry sounding Hondas with the loud speakers?
Speaker-boys I call them.  Boy are they annoying.  Ok, enough rant.

Scooter

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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:22:16 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Organization: M&M Stained Glass
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I guess I'll have to think about a way to signify the 'kill'.
I wish I had my digital camera with me so I had
a picture.
The woman was actually an army 1st sergeant who
was probably late to work or maybe on her cell
phone. She was on it later to call the tow truck.
The worst part of getting rear-ended is now spending
a lot of time looking in the rear view mirror to look
for more danger. Last time I was rear-ended was
in 1984, a lot worse than this, but the young guy that
hit me was going a lot faster and even worse I could
see it coming in my mirror. My car, an Austin Maxi
was totalled.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

"Scott Wickham Jr." wrote:

>   So Mike, are you going to paint a little Isuzu emblem on the wing for that
> 'kill'?
>
>    Glad to hear your ok.  Let me guess, said woman was on the
> cell/repremanding little Billy/fixing makeup?

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Message: 30
From: "Bruce D. Fowler" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:22:01 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon J. Harding

Will do Bruce. As Alex suggests,  I'm ordering the phenolic block and will
let you know how things turn out.  I hope you don't think I'm looking at the
proverbial gift horse in the mouth.  I'm pretty sure its an air leak orthe
absence of the phenolic block and not the carb itself.  I didn't check the
distributor advance when I checked for a leak, I just confirmed it was
difficult to get air through it.  Driving around the carb is very very
smooth, its just this idle mixture thing...  I'm very grateful for your
help!  I'll let you know what happens.

Well I hope the block solves the problem.

If I came across gruff, its just that i'm having a very crazy week.
Garage caving in, leaky second floor tub, two tennents moving out,
two moving in, paving job from hell, mason who wound up in jail
leaving massive holes in a foundation, and an elevator upgrade...
Not to mention this is the week the girls in the front office are fighting
with each other, thus messages arn't getting forwarded back in a timely
manner.

Think i'm going to pack it in Friday and go to Nova Scotia for the weekend.
Later,
Bruce

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Message: 31
From: "Bruce D. Fowler" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:26:08 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry......
That last message should have gone direct to Simon, not the list :-(

Oh well....
Bruce
:
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Simon J. Harding
:
:Will do Bruce. As Alex suggests,  I'm ordering the phenolic block and will
:let you know how things turn out.  I hope you don't think I'm looking at
the
:proverbial gift horse in the mouth.  I'm pretty sure its an air leak orthe
:absence of the phenolic block and not the carb itself.  I didn't check the
:distributor advance when I checked for a leak, I just confirmed it was
:difficult to get air through it.  Driving around the carb is very very
:smooth, its just this idle mixture thing...  I'm very grateful for your
:help!  I'll let you know what happens.
:

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