Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #31 - 35 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: De-coking a 2.25 Petrol (Paul Oxley)
   2. Gearbox Woes (Chris Stevens)
   3. RE: How to put on a soft top? Shrinkage (Easton Trevor A)
   4. Re: How to put on a soft top? Thanks Everyone! (RON WARD)
   5. Re: now I've gone and done it... (RON WARD)
   6. Re: Some photos of a OVLR expedition (Keith Tanner)
   7. Re: Some photos of a OVLR expedition (RON WARD)
   8. New Clutch (Kinda long) (Ed Bailey)
   9. RE: Some photos of a OVLR expedition (Keith Elliott)
  10. RE: Some photos of a OVLR expedition (Keith Tanner)
  11. RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham) (Nick Fankhauser)
  12. RE: RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham) (Matt Peckham)
  13. Re: now I've gone and done it... (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  14. Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #30 - 40 msgs (jDolan)
  15. RE: Some photos of a OVLR expedition (Keith Elliott)
  16. Re: now I've gone and done it... (Jeff Bieler)
  17. Re: now I've gone and done it... (RON WARD)
  18. Re: Speed (Tim Czajka)
  19. Re: New Clutch (Kinda long) (Peter Ogilvie)
  20. Re: Re: Engine Speeds (Luca Ingianni)
  21. Busted from offroading pics on a website (Bill Fishel)
  22. Re: New Clutch (Kinda long) (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  23. PTOs Drives Etc (Easton Trevor A)
  24. Looking for Matt Peckham (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  25. Re: Speed (TeriAnn Wakeman)
  26. Cool Website (Sergi, Michael)
  27. Re: RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham) (Hope Peter)
  28. RE: Looking for Matt Peckham (Matt Peckham)
  29. Re: Re: Speed ([email-masked])
  30. RE: carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines) (Simon J. Harding)
  31. 110 PTO (Kirk Hillman)
  32. know I know why I bought the rover... (Jeff Bieler)
  33. Re: know I know why I bought the rover... (RON WARD)
  34. LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story) (M. Tompkins)
  35. Re: Speed (Paul Oxley)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:58:08 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] De-coking a 2.25 Petrol
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[email-masked] wrote:
 
> What's the drill on de-coking a petrol engine?  I know that it involves a
> fine water spray directed in to the carb while running, but how do you
> moderate the process safely?  What's too much, not enough?
 
Take off the aircleaner hose and dribble or spray water into the top of
the carb whilst your assistant is tending the throttle (don't try it all
yourself coz things are bound to get 'big' on you). The correct amount
of water is 'just enough not to choke the engine', a similar unit of
measure to 'torque it till just before it twists off', and is achieved
with gut feel.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 02:11:54 -0400
From: Chris Stevens <[email-masked]>
To: LAND ROVER <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Gearbox Woes
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So I'm trying to tow a friend of mine out of a terrible quagmire this
evening/morning and the gearbox freezes in reverse, except it really
doesn't want to go backward...just kinda sits there. The low range
handle is equally stuck--oh, and I became stuck as well. Eventually,
through the use of a high-lift jack and chain, I free the Series IIa as
well as the other truck. Now second gear is shot. Just grinding noises.
And the beast seems stuck in 4-wheel drive (the yellow knob won't pop up
and the low/high handle won't budge). Question: is this a total gearbox
meltdown requring major overhaul? Or, can I fix this
thing...ah...without too much effort? I thing I know the answer!!

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIa

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Message: 3
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] How to put on a soft top? Shrinkage
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:41:28 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I believe the shrinkage problem only applies to a new canvas. Once the
canvas has "settled" then shrinkage is not a problem. Of course it's maybe
not too wise leaving the sides up in the pouring rain anyway :-)

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:26:28 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] How to put on a soft top? Thanks Everyone!
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If you got the hoop set from RN the anchor points should have come with it.  Regarding the shrinkage, it's really not as bad as some say IF you have a genuine LR canvas top.  They fit well right out of the box and I have found the shinkage to be minimal.  

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 07/30/01 08:34PM >>>

Thanks everyone - It seems I AM missing 4 anchor points. The two near either 
door, and the two at the rear corners. I've ordered these from RN (all of $10 
or something) and hopefully will have them in Weds night.

I have a question on the shrinking tho. If this is such a concern, should I 
not leave the sides rolled? Right now the top itself is tied down nice and 
tight but without the door anchors I couldnt exactly have the side flaps 
down, so I rolled them up. If they get wet, are they going to shrink and be 
non usable? Or can I just soak and stretch them again?

-Nick
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:36:32 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] now I've gone and done it...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That carburetor always worked FINE for me Jeff!  Sounds like a loose nut behind the wheel!!!!!  :)

And remember, no one ever really owns a Land Rover, we are custodians for the next generation....

Ron Ward

>>> [email-masked] 07/30/01 10:36PM >>>

Well, now I've gone and done it....

After listening to everyone's advice, looking at half a dozen local rovers, and kicking tires on the web, I've gone and bought Ron Wards 1965 IIA 88" soft top.

It arrived today from Georgia and I spent all afternoon tooling around locally.  Got stopped by the LAPD for not having tags two streets from the house, but  once they heard the story (and let them gawk for a bit), they told me just to keep it real local, get the tags ASAP, and that they would spread the word that I'm OK for a few days.  That makes things easier while I go through registration, etc.

Now, it's off to a few day garage time to crawl under and over to tighten, straighten, and take stock of what's what.  The only miscue I am struggling with right now is the carburetor.  It's a Solex and I think I've got the idle and mixture set, but it really lags on the return to idle after you let off the gas.  You've got to blip the throttle to get her to back down.  Time to check out the linkage I think.  Any other thoughts?

Oh God, what have I done?  ;-)

Jeff Bieler
1965 88" IIA
1997 Discovery SD

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:36:03 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nice job, both on getting stuck so well and in getting out.

Hey Keith, let's go back and see how deep that puddle is on the left side!

Keith Tanner

At 01:34 31-07-01, you wrote:

>Nice to see I am not the only one that had some fun this weekend.
>
>http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange3.htm
>
>Only I think I found some deeper mud :-)
>
>Pete
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:57:17 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Got mud?"

>>> [email-masked] 07/31/01 01:34AM >>>

Nice to see I am not the only one that had some fun this weekend.

http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange3.htm 

Only I think I found some deeper mud :-)

Pete

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Message: 8
From: Ed Bailey <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:41:33 -0400
Organization: District Attorney Blount County
Subject: [lro] New Clutch (Kinda long)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Disclaimer:  I've been lurking about the list for about five years, and of 
the few times I've ventured comment or observation, I've been politically 
incorrect or dead wrong as least half the time.  Soo..........be 
forewarned!

Last weekend I managed to change out the clutch and pressure plate in the 
MF, my most energetic project to date.  All went well with the help of a 
couple of friends, and by Saturday evening she was running fine.  However, 
I have a question and a couple of observations which may be of interest:

Conventional wisdom says that when changing out a clutch you should change 
out the throw-out bearing as well since it's a relatively inexpensive item 
and you're already in there.  Both the Haynes Manual and the Green Bible, 
however, say that while you can change out the clutch and pressure plate by 
shifting the transmission back several inches and working from beneath, in 
order to change the throw-out bearing you have to remove the entire 
transmission assembly through the passenger compartment with an engine 
crane.  The gentleman at Atlantic British said he understood you can change 
the throw-out without pulling the trans but said he had never actually done 
it.  The throw-out was quiet and smooth so I left it alone.  Will I regret 
this?  Is there a practical way to change the bearing without pulling the 
transmission?

Observation #1.  The records which came with the truck are pretty complete 
and indicate the clutch was last changed out in 1982, the parts being 
purchased from Atlantic British.  When I called, they still stocked it 
under the same number.  When I exposed the old clutch assmbly it, like the 
new one had two allignment dowel holes opposite one another but only one 
conical (about 1/4") dowel showing.  When I removed the old assembly, I 
found that the flywheel had three dowels space equidistant.  Whoever 
installed it the last time had simply lined up one of the dowels and 
tightened it down distorting the cover over the other two dowels. Is this 
why my clutch only lasted 19 years?  I drilled out the old cover using the 
indents from the dowels as guides and then used to old cover as a template 
to drill out the new one.  It worked and now all three allignment dowels 
hold the cover in its proper place.  Did everyone know this but me?

Observation #2.  Whoever suggested a couple of weeks ago shiming up an 
"almost fits" alignment tool with tape to fit the Land Rover was dead on. 
 Neat!  Thanks.

Observation #3.  Getting the transmission/bell housing to mate back up with 
the engine block was the hardest part.  I was working with the truck on 
jackstands with the trans supported by a trolley jack.  Even with two 
helpers we had the devil's own time.  Then someone suggested punching the 
starter.  It walked right on!  This was not mentioned in either of the 
books, so I thought it might help someone.  Thinking back, I can't remember 
it the trans was in or out of gear but I tend to think it was in.

Anyway, sorry for the long post.  If any of this is dangerously wrong, I 
trust some of the more experienced heads will correct me.  Now, if I can 
just get it to quit leaking 90 weight.

Regards,

Ed Bailey
66 S2A SWB (Millennium Falcon)
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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Message: 9
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
To: "'Keith Tanner '" <[email-masked]>,
   "[email-masked] '"
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Subject: RE: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:30:04 -0400
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I'm in for that, I'm real curious about how deep it is too. This time you
can go in first ;)

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner
To: [email-masked]
Sent: 7/31/01 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition

Nice job, both on getting stuck so well and in getting out.

Hey Keith, let's go back and see how deep that puddle is on the left
side!

Keith Tanner

At 01:34 31-07-01, you wrote:

>Nice to see I am not the only one that had some fun this weekend.
>
>http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange3.htm
>
>Only I think I found some deeper mud :-)
>
>Pete
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:04:27 -0400
To: [email-masked], "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I DID go first. I just didn't ignore Jean-Leon's advice :)

Keith

At 09:30 31-07-01, Keith Elliott wrote:

>I'm in for that, I'm real curious about how deep it is too. This time you 
>can go in first ;)
>
>Keith
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Tanner
>To: [email-masked]
>Sent: 7/31/01 8:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
>
>Nice job, both on getting stuck so well and in getting out.
>
>Hey Keith, let's go back and see how deep that puddle is on the left
>side!
>
>Keith Tanner
>
>At 01:34 31-07-01, you wrote:
>
> >Nice to see I am not the only one that had some fun this weekend.
> >
> ><http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange3.htm>http://www.aloharovers.com/eas 
> trange3.htm
> >
> >Only I think I found some deeper mud :-)
> >
> >Pete
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Message: 11
From: "Nick Fankhauser" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:58:30 -0500
Subject: [lro] RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Matt-

I have a similar PTO. (I saw the one on ebay & it looked almost identical.)

Mine runs a drive shaft to an Ag-implement-type output shaft on the back.
(So I can bale hay while running through bogs.) I can't think of a good way
to get the power up front via  mechanical linkages, but the hydraulic
approach sounds promising. I picked up a nice and inexpensive hydraulic pump
from eBay a while back which I hope to set up so it can be mounted on my
rear PTO. (Look in the forklift parts category.)

I do have the little shaft & knob that was missing from the one you got, so
I can provide some pictures if it would help. There's not much to the shaft
& knob.

I also have an exploded diagram of the whole thing in an old Series I parts
catalog from Rover. It doesn't show much about installation, but does help
in understanding how it all fits together. The other folks are right, it
goes in just as an overdrive would, and installation was intuitive.

I'll be happy to post pictures or the diagram on my web site if it would
help. (Probably can't get to scanning them until this weekend though.)

-Nick

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Message: 12
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:14:35 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

wow, thanks nick. I'd appreciate all of that.  any chance of taking a photo
of the prop shaft from underneath?  I figure some kind of belt and pulley
system could work for a front PTO, but I have no idea what the setup would
be.

Matt

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From: Nick Fankhauser [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:59 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham)

Matt-

I have a similar PTO. (I saw the one on ebay & it looked almost identical.)

Mine runs a drive shaft to an Ag-implement-type output shaft on the back.
(So I can bale hay while running through bogs.) I can't think of a good way
to get the power up front via  mechanical linkages, but the hydraulic
approach sounds promising. I picked up a nice and inexpensive hydraulic pump
from eBay a while back which I hope to set up so it can be mounted on my
rear PTO. (Look in the forklift parts category.)

I do have the little shaft & knob that was missing from the one you got, so
I can provide some pictures if it would help. There's not much to the shaft
& knob.

I also have an exploded diagram of the whole thing in an old Series I parts
catalog from Rover. It doesn't show much about installation, but does help
in understanding how it all fits together. The other folks are right, it
goes in just as an overdrive would, and installation was intuitive.

I'll be happy to post pictures or the diagram on my web site if it would
help. (Probably can't get to scanning them until this weekend though.)

-Nick

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [lro] now I've gone and done it...
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:54:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Likley it's the linkage - tighten up the tension on the pulldown spring at
the pivot and that might help. Mr. C does that when the spring gets
rusty...

                    ajr

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:35:59 -0400
From: jDolan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] Re: LRO digest, Vol 1 #30 - 40 msgs
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Matt Peckham wrote:
> 
> not yet.  been vacationing... in Maine... right near the scene of the
> crime...  Will get under there and tinker some more this week.
> 
> Matt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hall [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:30 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
> 
> Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
>         for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
>         - Cheers, Bill
> So Matt, ever figure out the problem?

Does that have OD?
 It could be the output gear (attached to trans) is stripped, or beginning to be so.
The female input gear on the OD unit itself seems to be a bit harder and usually
survives better. If there is an OD in there, a close look with a magnifier might help.
That gear is available separately, and the original equipment can be re-installed
until a fix is done.

see ya on the old road,
jim  '61 88" SW w/ OD, hubs, 16's, 1 Bbl Weber (econobox?)  'Selig'
     '60 P5 MkI LHD, 4 spd w/OD  'Olive(r)'
     '63 P5 MkII LHD, autobox, for sale ($800 OBO; headed to ebay)
         pictures here-   http://www.sover.net/~jhdolan/p5%20page.htm
Rochester, Vt.

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Message: 15
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:32:35 -0400
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Yeah your right you did go in first but you took the easy route through...
This time you get to try the path less travelled ;)

And for the advice thing... Who would take the advice of someone that would
put a F^%D engine in a landy anyway!!! (J/K Terri-ann and JL)

Keith

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From: Keith Tanner [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:04 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked] '
Subject: RE: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition

I DID go first. I just didn't ignore Jean-Leon's advice :)

Keith

At 09:30 31-07-01, Keith Elliott wrote:

>I'm in for that, I'm real curious about how deep it is too. This time you 
>can go in first ;)
>
>Keith
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Tanner
>To: [email-masked]
>Sent: 7/31/01 8:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR expedition
>
>Nice job, both on getting stuck so well and in getting out.
>
>Hey Keith, let's go back and see how deep that puddle is on the left
>side!
>
>Keith Tanner
>
>At 01:34 31-07-01, you wrote:
>
> >Nice to see I am not the only one that had some fun this weekend.
> >
> ><http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange3.htm>http://www.aloharovers.com/eas

> trange3.htm
> >
> >Only I think I found some deeper mud :-)
> >
> >Pete
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yeah your right you did go in first but you took the =
easy route through... This time you get to try the path less travelled =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>And for the advice thing... Who would take the advice =
of someone that would put a F^%D engine in a landy anyway!!! (J/K =
Terri-ann and JL)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Keith</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Keith Tanner [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:04 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I DID go first. I just didn't ignore Jean-Leon's =
advice :)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Keith</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 09:30 31-07-01, Keith Elliott wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I'm in for that, I'm real curious about how deep =
it is too. This time you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;can go in first ;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Keith</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;From: Keith Tanner</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To: [email-masked]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Sent: 7/31/01 8:36 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Subject: Re: [lro] Some photos of a OVLR =
expedition</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Nice job, both on getting stuck so well and in =
getting out.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hey Keith, let's go back and see how deep that =
puddle is on the left</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;side!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Keith Tanner</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;At 01:34 31-07-01, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Nice to see I am not the only one that had =
some fun this weekend.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Pete</FONT>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:02:38 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] now I've gone and done it...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It looks like it was a combination of the choke cable being a bit off and the
linkage being gummed up.  Also need to adjust the hand throttle.  The nut at
the end of the linkage has back off to the point that it won't engage until
it's 3/4.

A liberal application of cleaner on the the linkage and all appears right in
Rover Land.  For now.

Jeff

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Likley it's the linkage - tighten up the tension on the pulldown spring at
> the pivot and that might help. Mr. C does that when the spring gets
> rusty...
>
>                     ajr
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:19:54 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] now I've gone and done it...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Picky, picky, picky.....;)

>>> [email-masked] 07/31/01 12:02PM >>>

It looks like it was a combination of the choke cable being a bit off and the
linkage being gummed up.  Also need to adjust the hand throttle.  The nut at
the end of the linkage has back off to the point that it won't engage until
it's 3/4.

A liberal application of cleaner on the the linkage and all appears right in
Rover Land.  For now.

Jeff

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Likley it's the linkage - tighten up the tension on the pulldown spring at
> the pivot and that might help. Mr. C does that when the spring gets
> rusty...
>
>                     ajr
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Message: 18
From: "Tim Czajka" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:35:01 -0600
Subject: [lro] Re: Speed
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bill Leacock wrote:
>Sorry Teri Ann your mathematics are screwed up, or you are running a 
>slipping clutch.
>
Actually her numbers are correct for a tire that matches
the stated size 7.50 x 16 - or 31 inches in diameter.  I
also ran your numbers and it appears LR devised it's rpm
number from a tire that was effectively 30 inches in
diameter.  That is not surprising as tire diameter
rarely matches exactly the stated diameter.

A general rule of thumb is to subtract one inch from the
manufacturer stated diameter, although this does not work
for every tire.  Some are spot on and a few are even
larger in diameter than the stated size.

To complicate matters, put in an automatic and try
to factor in torque converter slippage - if it is a
non lockup unit.  There are actually quite a few
variables.

Bottom line is that the LR supplied numbers are academic
since very few people are probably running the OEM tires.
As you mentioned actual tire size will impact the
calculation so there is a certain fudge factor in all
these calculations.  For spot on numbers dedicated for a
particular vehicle the tachometer is the final arbiter.
But of course then you have to assume the speedometer
is reading exactly correct:)

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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Message: 19
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] New Clutch (Kinda long)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:11:08 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The 2a clutch throw out bearing will normally last the life of the truck.  
Its not the simple throw away variety as fitted to the Series 3 and every 
other car I'm familiar with. Apparently designed to last and does.

Aloha
Peter O.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Ed Bailey <[email-masked]>
>Conventional wisdom says that when changing out a clutch you should change
>out the throw-out bearing as well since it's a relatively inexpensive item
>and you're already in there.  Both the Haynes Manual and the Green Bible,
>however, say that while you can change out the clutch and pressure plate by
>shifting the transmission back several inches and working from beneath, in
>order to change the throw-out bearing you have to remove the entire
>transmission assembly through the passenger compartment with an engine
>crane.  Ed Bailey
>66 S2A SWB (Millennium Falcon)
>Somewhere in East Tennessee

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Message: 20
From: Luca Ingianni <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Engine Speeds
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:19:42 +0200
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Am Monday 30 July 2001 18:35 schrieb Faure, Marin:
> From: "Lance da Silva" <[email-masked]>
> To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:49:58 +0200
> Subject: [lro] Engine Speeds
> Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marin, I have read many times how you praised a manifold pressure gauge, 
but I don't know what a manifold pressure gauge tells me. I understand 
that it tells me the (negative) pressure in the inlet system which I 
expect increases with RPM, dirt in the air filter and probably with the 
amount of fuel injected. So, what does a reading of so-and-so many bar of 
pressure in the manifold mean?
I have a Diesel if that is of importance for the answer. 
I'm really curious about that one.

TIA & have fun,
	Luca

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Message: 21
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:26:38 -0400
Subject: [lro] Busted from offroading pics on a website
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I received a quarterly newsletter from a club in the south central
USA last week. 99.9% of the people I've met from this club are good
decent offroaders that try to take care of the trails there on.

There was an article in the newsletter about a meeting on trail
maintenance. This was attended by several people for planning
a future trail maintenance project.

One of the issues discussed by the local forest service rep. was
some photos someone posted on a website. The photos showed
a Land Rover with the club logo on the spare wheel carrier. It was
doing  heavy damage to an area away from the main trail that was
supposed to be out of bounds. Enough said.

Throw another log on the fire of closing public offroad areas.

Bill Fishel

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Message: 22
Subject: Re: [lro] New Clutch (Kinda long)
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:02:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ed, don't bother changing out the throwout bearing on a IIa - the damn
thing runs in oil and has a lifespan approaching that of the Universe...or
at least the transmission. You did it the right way about.

               ajr

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Message: 23
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:07:15 -0400
Subject: [lro] PTOs Drives Etc
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The PTO and assorted accessories are all in the green bible section T

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 10:45:37 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: "LRO list" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Looking for Matt Peckham
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Matt Peckham is the webmaster for the Bay State Rover Owners Association.

The club site has no links to him that I have been able to find.

Can someone provide me with Matt's e-mail address?

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 25
Subject: Re: [lro] Speed
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 09:19:19 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Sorry Teri Ann your mathematics are screwed up, or you are running a
>slipping clutch. 

No Bill it is my memory that is slipping up.  I was trying to remember 
tach readings back from the days when I ran a 2.25L engine.  Its my mind 
that's slipping not the clutch.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Message: 26
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:22:13 -0400
Subject: [lro] Cool Website
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I know we are all experts but I found this to be worth sharing;

http://www.howstuffworks.com

Enjoy.

Mike

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Message: 27
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] RE: Not sure what I PTO'ed. (Matt Peckham)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:19:00 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I also have an exploded diagram of the whole thing in an old Series I
parts
> catalog from Rover. It doesn't show much about installation, but does help
> in understanding how it all fits together. The other folks are right, it
> goes in just as an overdrive would, and installation was intuitive.
>
> I'll be happy to post pictures or the diagram on my web site if it would
> help. (Probably can't get to scanning them until this weekend though.)
>
> -Nick
>

Nick if you like you can forward the images to me and I will convert to PDF
and host in my manuals section as well as your site.
Pete

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Message: 28
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Looking for Matt Peckham
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:39:06 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I can.

Matt Peckham

[email-masked]
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-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn Wakeman [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:46 PM
To: LRO list
Subject: [lro] Looking for Matt Peckham

Matt Peckham is the webmaster for the Bay State Rover Owners Association.

The club site has no links to him that I have been able to find.

Can someone provide me with Matt's e-mail address?

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

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Message: 29
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:55:15 EDT
Subject: Re: [lro] Re: Speed
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Aren't we placing a lot of emphasis on rpm and engine stress here?  Even with 
the 16" wheels and tall tires, my SWB doesn't seem very happy above 50-55 
mph.  Drum brakes, square configuration (SWB), fairly high CG and solid axles 
all seem to indicate a truck that was never really intended for interstate 
speeds.

Ed Bailey
66 S2A SWB (Millennium Falcon)
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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Message: 30
From: "Simon J. Harding" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:14:22 -0700
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Will do Bruce. As Alex suggests,  I'm ordering the phenolic block and =
will let you know how things turn out.  I hope you don't think I'm =
looking at the proverbial gift horse in the mouth.  I'm pretty sure its =
an air leak orthe absence of the phenolic block and not the carb itself. =
 I didn't check the distributor advance when I checked for a leak, I =
just confirmed it was difficult to get air through it.  Driving around =
the carb is very very smooth, its just this idle mixture thing...  I'm =
very grateful for your help!  I'll let you know what happens.

Simon

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Subject:	Re: [lro] carby tuning (longish - 30-40 some lines)

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From: Simon J. Harding

:
:I'm hoping the list can confirm for me I'm not missing something here, =
and
just need to keep :fiddling with this carb.  My zenith carb was bad, =
would
not idle.  So Bruce Fowler kindly rebuilt a :spare zenith I had.  He =
plugged
the extraneous port, replaced the gaskets, and planed the two :halves.  =
He
did not mess with the accelerator pump because it looked fine.  He =
tested it
on one of :his rigs and it was fine.

Errr... I cleaned and checked the accelerator pump,  and it was fine.
I didn't replace the diaphragm gaskets for fear of tearing the =
diaphragm.
:
:I have a tired 2.25.  Timing is perfect, new tuneup parts and wires a =
week
or two old. new coil.  I :use the terms choke and cold start
interchangeably.
:
:I installed the rebuilt carb, set up the choke as it appeared on my old
one, with the cable all the :way in (cold start off), the butterfly near
vertical, very small gap left in throat when choke fuilly on.  :Idled =
just
fine.  Nice and smooth.  Engine fully warmed up.  Cold start fully off.
Engine hesitates :on coming off idle.  Mixture screw at two turns out.
Otherwise runs and accelerates fine.  I fiddled :endlessly with the idle
mixture and idle speed screws and finally, the only way I could get rid =
of
this :stumble was to set the cold start so that the butterfly is 1/4 =
closed
when the cold start knob is all :the way in (off).  With it set this way
however, (1) acceleration seems to suffer, (my theory is, due :to air
starvation?), and (2) I can't get the idle low enough.  Stumble =
continued
even with the mix :screw way, way out.
:
:I checked for air leaks at the carb itself and have none I can detect.
Sprayed WD 40 at the carb :and there was no detectible change in the =
idle.
One possibility is the base plate.  I did not swap :the old one off when =
I
installed the new carb. because the inlet tube in the new base plate for =
the
:PCV system was a different size than the tubing I have on the PCV set =
up.
I have noticed a little :semi liquid at the point where the base plate =
meets
the intake manifold.  It was there with the old :carby too, which also =
ran
lean but did not stumble.
:
:There is no phenolic block in place between the carb base plate and the
manifold.  Could this be the point where I have the air leak?  What's =
the
purpose of the phenolic block?  I have wondered if its absence causes =
some
change in the flow into the manifold?
:
I'm going out on a limb here....
Not really sure what the phenolic block's purpose in life is..
I have always thought it was to insulate the carb. from high manifold =
temps.
And the metallic liner inside it was to prevent leakage between the two.
Never ran any of my vehicles without one so wouldn't know
how it would effect an engine's performance.

:vacuum at the distributor seems ok, could not easily suck air through =
that
line from the carb. end.
:
Shouldn't be able to suck and air throught the vaccum line.
Was the dizzy advancing when you applied suction?
: Any thoughts on what else could be causing the problem?  I'm not
suspicious of the carb because :Bruce ran it and it ran great for him.  =
I do
wonder if the accelerator pump or a leak at the :accelerator linkage =
could
be part of the problem but do not believe so given Bruce's testing.
:
Please Simon let me know how you make out with it...
Bruce F.

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Message: 31
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:08:27 -0600
Subject: [lro] 110 PTO
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I know this isn't the coilers list but someone asked me how much it would
cost to get a PTO for a 110 (pre-Defender).  Any idea how much and from
where?

Kirk

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:28:09 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] know I know why I bought the rover...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Today was Mr. Mom day with myself and our 2 month old.

I bought the Series for a lot of reasons, but while out and about running
errands today with Cameron buckled into the child's seat (gets to ride up
front, no airbags here!), I looked over at him as we bounced along over the
potholes and he had the biggest sh*t eating grin I have ever seen.

The weather is great, the door tops are off, the canvas is rolled up, and I was
cruising around with my boy.

Now I know why I bought the rover.

Jeff

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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:37:47 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] know I know why I bought the rover...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My 4 year old daughter loved to ride in that Rover also.  She stuck the OVLR birthday party plate in the dash so she could see it.  

Glad you're enjoying the truck and add it to your web site when you get a chance.

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 07/31/01 20:48 PM >>>

Today was Mr. Mom day with myself and our 2 month old.

I bought the Series for a lot of reasons, but while out and about running
errands today with Cameron buckled into the child's seat (gets to ride up
front, no airbags here!), I looked over at him as we bounced along over the
potholes and he had the biggest sh*t eating grin I have ever seen.

The weather is great, the door tops are off, the canvas is rolled up, and I was
cruising around with my boy.

Now I know why I bought the rover.

Jeff

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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:23:02 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Organization: M&M Stained Glass
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] LR 1 - Rodeo 0 (long story)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Monday morning an Isu*u Rodeo tried to play
Rhino and ram me from the rear. It was a pretty
good jolt and wrenched my back, hopefully just
some muscle spasm. High back buckets prevented
any whiplash. The other driver was unhurt. As I
pulled forward and onto the shoulder of the road
I could see that there was extensive damage to
the front of the thing that slammed into me.
Of course the initial reaction is 'awww sh*t,
just what I need'. I was headed to the morning
stand-up with the Wing Commander. My
next reaction was some surprise that the back
window in my 109 station wagon was still intact.
I get out and looked back and the Isu*u is leaking
anti-freeze and I tell the woman she better turn her
engine off. I then look at the rear of my LR and
can't see any damage. I move closer and really take a
good look but still can't even find a scratch. I check
out the front of the Isu*u and it's crumbled pretty
good. I have a Brownchurch roof rack with the
heavy duty ladder and you can see the imprint of
the two ladder rails on the hood of the Isu*u. I turn
back to inspect the ladder and only find some black
paint chips from the Isu*u's hood. I flick them off and
look closer at the ladder, but can't find any damage.
Open the back door and it's fine. We exchange details,
cops arrive, both Military and civilian, they get what they
need. I drive away, Isu*u waits for the tow truck.
Her insurance company calls me and tells me to take
my vehicle to their local claims site so their guy can
look at it. I tell them there is no damage, but they insist.
So I go this afternoon. The rear galvanized cross member
was painted black seven years ago when my LR underwent
a frameover. Of course, the paint is chipping pretty bad.
I tell the insurance guy there's no damage and he inspects
my LR anyway. He starts talking about feathering and
repainting the cross member. I ask if he's kidding me,
telling him as long as there's no structural or mechanical
damage I'm not concerned about how it looks. He says
well we'll give you something and you can live with it.
I figure ok.
Then he starts checking out my Land Rover "Don't
make them like this anymore do they".  He goes in, plays
on the computer for a bit, 15 mins later he's handing me
a check for $190, explaining 3 hours for feathering and
two hours for painting. Yeah Right! No wonder insurance
rates are so high.

One last note, I used to have my spare on a swing
away carrier attached to the back. Last time something
hit me from the back the door and glass got wasted.
After the door was replaced I never put the carrier
back on and just put the tire on the roof rack. I'm
now convinced I'm leaving the tire on the roof rack
and selling that carrier.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:56:15 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Speed
Reply-To: [email-masked]

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>   Its my mind
> that's slipping not the clutch.

Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most :-{)}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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