Subject: LRO digest, Vol 1 #24 - 42 msgs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Kilts & Rovers ... in Scotland (Ian Stuart)
   2. Re: Importing ([email-masked])
   3. RE: Starting Problems ([email-masked])
   4. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... ([email-masked])
   5. RE: Starting Problems ([email-masked])
   6. RE: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (N Forbes)
   7. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   8. Re: gps (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
   9. turn turn turn (Rob MacCormick)
  10. Re: turn turn turn (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  11. RE: turn turn turn (Easton Trevor A)
  12. RE: Tranny Problem II ([email-masked])
  13. RE: Tranny Problem Solution (Easton Trevor A)
  14. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (John Cranfield)
  15. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (DaveB)
  16. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (DaveB)
  17. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  18. RE: handbrake spring? (Tackley, John)
  19. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Phil Norris)
  20. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Paul Oxley)
  21. Re: engine rpms (Faure, Marin)
  22. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Peter Ogilvie)
  23. Lift Gate Question (John Karlsson)
  24. Re: Lift Gate Question (Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus)
  25. diesel injector cleaner? (george kase)
  26. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (David Scheidt)
  27. Diesel Power (William L Leacock)
  28. Re: diesel injector cleaner? (David Scheidt)
  29. Series Paint (KURT W. KRAUSS)
  30. Not sure what I do'ed. (Matt Peckham)
  31. Re: Not sure what I do'ed. (Jim Hall)
  32. Re: Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes... (Jean-Leon Morin)
  33. RE: Not sure what I do'ed. (Matt Peckham)
  34. Re: Not sure what I do'ed. (N Forbes)
  35. Premature Clutch Hydraulic Failure (joe mulqueen)
  36. RE: Not sure what I do'ed. (Matt Peckham)
  37. RE: Not sure what I do'ed. (David Scheidt)
  38. Re: Not sure what I do'ed. (Jim Hall)
  39. RE: Not sure what I do'ed. (Matt Peckham)
  40. Re: gps (Hope Peter)
  41. Running problem (was: Re: [lro] gps) (Hope Peter)
  42. Re: Running problem (was: Re: [lro] gps) (David Scheidt)

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Message: 1
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Kilts & Rovers ... in Scotland
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:00:44 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Monday 23 July 2001 17:50, [email-masked] wrote:
> For those not on the Mostly Metro list, this coming Saturday and
> Sunday is the Virginia Scottish Games in Alexandria, Virginia. 

And for those of you who are interested in this sort of thing:

The Scottish Club usually has a Ceilidh in mid September. You'd need to 
get to Brig 'o Turk (see 
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=253500&Y=706500&arrow=N&zoom=5 
), but the company is good, the locals are friendly and the area is 
spectacular

-- 
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A man depriving some village, somewhere, of a first-class idiot
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:40:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Importing
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hmmm... I think I'll keep huntinh on this side of the pond for now.
Speaking of which, are there any readers in the Boston area who'd be
willing to look over a  prospect? If yes, please contact me off list.

						warren

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, A. P. (Sandy) Grice wrote:

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> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >The nearest ocean is ~1000 miles away. Maybe St. Louis is an international
> >port.
>
> >What sort of money is involved in shipping a truck and getting it through
> >customs (or are trucks imported non-commercially duty free?)
>
> Ro-ro (roll-on/roll-off as opposed to boxing it up in a container) is $600
> to $900 from Liverpool to Portsmouth, VA via Wallenius Lines.  Add another
> $100 or so for various port fees and 2.5% of the sales prices as customs
> duties for a "informal" importer.  (You get to do 3 vehicles at 2.5%, then
> the duty jumps to 6%....)
>
> For ro-ro service, don't have anything in the vehicle that can be pilfered.
>  Gearboxes, diffs and other big, heavy, oily lumps are OK, but anything
> than can grow feet will....  With a container, you can bring in all sorts
> of stuff besides the vehicle.
>
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Message: 3
Subject: RE: [lro] Starting Problems
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:05:35 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Condenser wire and coil connect wire need to be inside the plastic inserts
- connecting the moving contact of the points to the coil. If either of
these is grounded you will either burn up the points for no condenser or
just be shorted.

>From your description I'd call it connect wire, condenser wire, plastic
insert then the nut on top....

                         Alan

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Message: 4
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:24:13 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

NIall, check the mountings for the mechanism. When I brought Miss Jessica
home I found the handbrake rattly and ineffective - under disassembly it
turned out that not only were half of the mounting clips on the actuator
side of the assembly missing, the two nuts securing the adjuster had also
both gone....

Check those - seems to me that might be the issue here if it won't stay
adjusted.

                    ajr

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Message: 5
Subject: RE: [lro] Starting Problems
To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:24:25 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Condenser wire and coil connect wire need to be inside the plastic inserts
- connecting the moving contact of the points to the coil. If either of
these is grounded you will either burn up the points for no condenser or
just be shorted.

>From your description I'd call it connect wire, condenser wire, plastic
insert then the nut on top....

                         Alan

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Message: 6
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:29:03 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry Trevor, I should have been clearer. What I meant was that the drum is 
loose with the brake still aplied. Again, brake off and I adjust till the 
drum won't rotate. Pull on the handle and leave it engaged and go check and 
the drum is loose again.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:52:34 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Right.  But you can't use them when the truck is moving at speed.  That's a
bummer.
[email-masked]

Therre is a big difference between shouldn't and can't. if I am about to
mow down some little old lady because of a failing brake system you can
sureashell believe that I am going to go for the parking brake.

I've stopped the truck with it before - it's a matter of basically pumping
the damn thing (apply, release, apply...)so that it doesn't go into the
grab-jump-grab routine.

I don't recommend it- it's damn nasty to the truck's mechanicals - but if
you gotta stop you gotta stop.

          ajr

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [lro] gps
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:55:16 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Spent 22 in Maine, think that qualifies as foul. :-)

Yeah, and the weather's none too good there either......8*)

               aj"Massachusetts is no better....."r

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:41:53 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <[email-masked]>
Organization: Boston College
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [lro] turn turn turn
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For every season.....Yeah whatever.....Anyway

If I turn a road wheel ten times and the propshaft turns ~23 times

1) What gearing do I have? (AKA what does it mean?)

2) Is this the "normal" gearing?

3) What are other gearing might be found?

4) What is your favorite color?

Rob "chalk and crayons do have a place in the toolbox!" MacCormick
'68 109 dormobile w/mid seventies chevy and salisbury rear axle.
Concord, MA USA

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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [lro] turn turn turn
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:45:36 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

23 / 10 = 2.3 - which is half (approximately) of 4.7.....

So, you have a standard Rover diff.....

                    ajr

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Message: 11
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] turn turn turn
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:50:02 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Do you turn both wheels 10 times or just 1 with the other static.

In the first case 2.3:1
In the second 4.6:1

Now if it was actually 23 ½ 
then it would be 4.7:1 and I think I've seen that number before.

> If I turn a road wheel ten times and the propshaft turns ~23 times
> 
> 1) What gearing do I have? (AKA what does it mean?)
> 
> 2) Is this the "normal" gearing?
> 
> 

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Message: 12
From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:35:49 EDT
Subject: [lro] RE: Tranny Problem II
To: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Carl Kinkade posted:

<< I thought all of you Coloradoans (sp?) drank Coors? =A0 >>

Bad thought!  Bad beer.  Never generalize!  Now go stand in the corner.

Wouldn't a cold pint of Swan Lager be nice about now?

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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 Kinkade posted:
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<BR>
<BR>Bad thought! &nbsp;Bad beer. &nbsp;Never generalize! &nbsp;Now go stand=20=
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<BR>Wouldn't a cold pint of Swan Lager be nice about now?
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Message: 13
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Tranny Problem Solution
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:56:57 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Our Rangie developed a similar problem to Carl's this weekend. The
transmission seemed reluctant to upshift and the whole performance had
become sluggish. Check of the kickdown cable proved it wasn't the cause.
Further investigation found the distributor wasn't advancing with increasing
RPM. One of the pins on the centrifugal advance had parted company with the
base. Replacement of the pin and retiming restored the perfomance to normal.
I surmise the apparent shifting problem was caused by the need to apply more
throttle to achieve a given speed thus activating the kickdown (as this
should).

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:13:08 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> 
> Therre is a big difference between shouldn't and can't. 

 Amen to that. Picture this. Enter an off ramp at 60 mph ish, note that
there is a red light at the bottom with a car waiting. Apply brakes,
foot and pedal hit the floor.
Now you WILL grab the hand brake. The secret is to avoid latching it on,
pull it up with your thumb on the button and if it starts to buck pull
harder.
John and Muddy 

PS. the light changed and the car pulled right as I sailed past the rear
bumper with many inches to spare.

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- John Cranfield <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Amen to that. Picture this. Enter an off ramp at 60 mph ish, note
> that
> there is a red light at the bottom with a car waiting. Apply brakes,
> foot and pedal hit the floor.
> Now you WILL grab the hand brake. 

After I finish rolling my cigarette...

=====
DaveB
Arlington, VA
"GreenHELL" '72 SIII 88"- "Unstoppable"
"Red Square" '60 SII 109"- "Purrs like a (leaky) kitten" 

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
To: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

--- Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]> wrote:
if I am about
> to
> mow down some little old lady because of a failing brake system you
> can
> sureashell believe that I am going to go for the parking brake.

Well, unless it's your mother-in-law...

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Arlington, VA
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Message: 17
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:27:26 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Re: Legal matricide, or running folk over:

Well, unless it's your mother-in-law...

=====
DaveB

If it was my mother-in-law the Rover would come out worst in the
altercation...kinda like hitting a moose in a mumu...

               aj"Not with MY car...."r

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Message: 18
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] handbrake spring?
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:34:43 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There is an attachment tab located beneath the nut/lock washer on the
bottom-right-rear tranny mount bracket stud...or there should be!

-----Original Message-----
From: joe mulqueen [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:52 PM
To: LRO
Subject: [lro] handbrake spring?

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Hello,
On a Series handbrake assy  -  I have a question about
the vertical link that connects the passenger side of
the large cross shaft down to a small bell crank. 
This vertical link has a sliding piece of metal that
secures an anti rattle(?) coil spring.  Where is the
attachment point for the other end of this spring?

Thanks much for this one!
Joe Mulqueen

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Message: 19
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:20 +0100
Reply-To: [email-masked]

...but in a LR ou lock ALL the wheels against each other as it's a
transmision brake...   Isn't this the classic "pop-a-halfshaft" trick?
PhilN
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Kinkade <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 July 2001 04:34
Subject: RE: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...

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>You can on ice.  Didn't you guys do that as kids?  Get some speed up in a
>vacant parking lot covered with ice then yank the parking brake and crank
>the wheel and start spinning..........what foolish kids we were!
>
>Carl
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
>Of [email-masked]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:07 AM
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
>
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>
>> :Not really. Landrover parking brakes are very effective with a
>> little
>> :maintenance.
>>
>> Right.  But you can't use them when the truck is moving at speed.
>> That's a
>> bummer.
>>
>Please tell my wife that.
>
>chris hall
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:15:34 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Organization: AfricanAdrenalin Safaris
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

DaveB wrote:
 
> Well, unless it's your mother-in-law...

Hey, it's almost certain to be somebody's mother-in-law ;-{>}
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Message: 21
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:48:09 -0700
Subject: [lro] Re: engine rpms
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "Aloha Rovers" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] engine rpm's
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:33:58 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>So now that I have a tach installed...what is the redline for the b2.25?

While the owners and service manuals don't call out an actual redline (never 
exceed) rpm, a good rule of thumb is to use the max horsepower at X-rpm 
figure in an engine's specifications.  In the case of the 2.25 petrol engine, 
that's 4,250 rpm.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Message: 22
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:02:34 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The emergency just brakes the drive train.  It has nothing with axles 
working against each other.  Two problems with the Emergency/Parking Brake.  
One is its only a single drum to stop what normally takes four drums to do 
so is probably prone to fade in a stop from speed.  The second problem is 
that the brake begins to chatter as you get very slow.  This will get your 
attention ASAP as it feels like the entire drive train is going to come 
apart.  Assume the E/P brake is trying to lock up and then releases like an 
out of control anti skid braking system.  Someone has suggested that keeping 
your thumb on the brake release button and pulling it on harder as the truck 
slows will get you through the chatter.  I've tried lessening pressure as it 
slows and stayed on top of the chatter but that greatly increased stopping 
distance.  Will have to try the 'increasing pressure' trick and see if that 
will allow a controlled stop.

If you haven't used the E/P Brake to stop the truck, you might want to 
experiment.  Somehow remember a freshly R & R'd E/P Brake system that would 
stop the truck without chatter.  You might luck and find that the brake will 
stop the truck without fuss.  My short interlude with non chattering E/P 
Brake didn't last long.  Probably because of a leaking rear output seal 
which all my Rover's have had, despite all efforts.

FWIW   Its an emergency brake, if you have an emergency, use the damn thing. 
  Just be ready for the chatter.  I've stopped my Rovers on pavement and 
dirt with the emergency brake and it worked.  Wasn't pleasant when it began 
to chatter, especially on pavement, but it did stop.  I don't make a habit 
of using the E/P Brake but when called upon, its done the job.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:20 +0100
>
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>...but in a LR ou lock ALL the wheels against each other as it's a
>transmision brake...   Isn't this the classic "pop-a-halfshaft" trick?
>PhilN
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl Kinkade <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
>Date: 24 July 2001 04:34
>Subject: RE: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
>
>
> >Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
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> > - Cheers, Bill
> >You can on ice.  Didn't you guys do that as kids?  Get some speed up in a
> >vacant parking lot covered with ice then yank the parking brake and crank
> >the wheel and start spinning..........what foolish kids we were!
> >
> >Carl
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf
> >Of [email-masked]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:07 AM
> >To: [email-masked]
> >Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
> >
> >
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> > - Cheers, Bill
> >
> >> :Not really. Landrover parking brakes are very effective with a
> >> little
> >> :maintenance.
> >>
> >> Right.  But you can't use them when the truck is moving at speed.
> >> That's a
> >> bummer.
> >>
> >Please tell my wife that.
> >
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:09:22 -0400
To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" <[email-masked]>
From: John Karlsson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Lift Gate Question
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Does anyone in or near Rhode Island have a Series Land-Rover with a lift 
gate installed?  I have the brackets, which look as if they should slip 
handily into place to be secured with a couple of rivets, but the frame of 
the roof is in the way.  This is probably one of those cases where a 
picture is worth a thousand words, so I would like to have a look at one, 
if there is one near me.

Thanks!

John

John Karlsson
956 Main Street
P.O. Box 1023
Hope Valley, RI  02832

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Message: 24
Subject: Re: [lro] Lift Gate Question
To: [email-masked]
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:17:59 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

John, I'n in MA - and not ALL that far away (less than 2 hours). Miss J.
has one....

                         Alan R.

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Message: 25
Date: 24 Jul 2001 15:30:42 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] diesel injector cleaner?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hi,
does anyone know where to get a diesel fuel
injector cleaner additive or whether such things exist? 
Thanks 
George Kase
Chicago

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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:32:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote:

:which all my Rover's have had, despite all efforts.
:
:FWIW   Its an emergency brake, if you have an emergency, use the damn thing.
:  Just be ready for the chatter.  I've stopped my Rovers on pavement and
:dirt with the emergency brake and it worked.  Wasn't pleasant when it began
:to chatter, especially on pavement, but it did stop.  I don't make a habit
:of using the E/P Brake but when called upon, its done the job.
:

I've used the hand brake in an emergency once.  A brake line joint failed.
Brake pedal goes to floor.  I yank handbreak gently, truck starts to slow down.
Half-shaft goes "Snap!".  So, now, I have no brakes, and no propolusion.
(FWH unlocked, of course...)  I sail through a red light, and coast to a
stop up the road a bit.  This was not my best day of Land-Rovering.  Not the
worst, either.

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Message: 27
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:44:56 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Diesel Power
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Winn, the power output of a diesel engine is very dependant upon the pump
timing, the 200 tdi has a belt drive, prone to stretch or poor
replacement practises. 

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:04:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] diesel injector cleaner?
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 24 Jul 2001, george kase wrote:

:Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
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:Hi,
:does anyone know where to get a diesel fuel
:injector cleaner additive or whether such things exist?

Such things exist.  Chevron sells one.  A trip to an autoparts store with good
snakeoil selection should turn one up.
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:25:21 -0400
From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Series Paint
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have a 1973 SIII.  It is being repainted because it had been before,
paint was cracked here and there and the "patina" was lousy.
My question is, is the red called Poppy Red for the NAS '73's?  Also,
are the wheels/top  limestone?
Many thanks!
Kurt Krauss
1973 NAS SIII

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Message: 30
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:34:52 -0400
Subject: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Was pulling up onto a bank to do a 3 point turn to get onto a trail, and
tried to hop onto a berm on the side of the trail, when I heard a PINGGgggg.
thought I just smacked a rock or something on the bumper or underbody,
didn't think anything of it.  finished the turn and started up a rocky
trail, and couldn't get over the first few rocks.  Tried a few times and it
just didn't feel right.  I asked some spotters if both rear wheels were
turning, and they said they weren't.  Figured I snapped a halfshaft.  I
pulled back to the picnic area, and when we got back to camp we pulled the
half axles, but both were fine.  I checked the diff there, and everything
seemed to be together.  we pulled the rear prop shaft so I could get home
(180 miles from Maine) and I took the rear diff out tonight to get a better
idea of what happened.  The diff looked perfect.  no chunks, worn gears,
broken spiders, nothing.  I reinserted the halfaxles, and tried turning it,
and it seems to work fine, both sides turn under no pressure, one turns if
the other is held, and the other does the same, and they turn opposite each
other.  So I don't think it's the diff.

I guess the next and obvious next place it could be broke at the Xfer case.
I haven't delved into the mysteriies of the Xfer case, but I guess my
question is, what would I be looking for if the rear has lost power?

I haven't opened the Xfer case, I'll be removing the dual batteries tomorrow
so I can get at the top of the Xfer case.  anything that would be a red
flag?

That's all the details I have for now....

Matt

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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:18:00 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There shouldn't be anything in the xfer that would cause just the rear
wheels to stop getting power. Except in neutral, power goes to the rear
wheel output shaft, and gets coupled to the front wheels when in 4wd.
The only way would be if the output shaft snapped or stripped behind
the drive flange, which I would find highly unlikely. Disregard this if
you aren't talking about a series...

Matt Peckham wrote:
> 
> Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
>         for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
>         - Cheers, Bill
> 
> Was pulling up onto a bank to do a 3 point turn to get onto a trail, and
> tried to hop onto a berm on the side of the trail, when I heard a PINGGgggg.
> thought I just smacked a rock or something on the bumper or underbody,
> didn't think anything of it.  finished the turn and started up a rocky
> trail, and couldn't get over the first few rocks.  Tried a few times and it
> just didn't feel right.  I asked some spotters if both rear wheels were
> turning, and they said they weren't.  Figured I snapped a halfshaft.  I
> pulled back to the picnic area, and when we got back to camp we pulled the
> half axles, but both were fine.  I checked the diff there, and everything
> seemed to be together.  we pulled the rear prop shaft so I could get home
> (180 miles from Maine) and I took the rear diff out tonight to get a better
> idea of what happened.  The diff looked perfect.  no chunks, worn gears,
> broken spiders, nothing.  I reinserted the halfaxles, and tried turning it,
> and it seems to work fine, both sides turn under no pressure, one turns if
> the other is held, and the other does the same, and they turn opposite each
> other.  So I don't think it's the diff.
> 
> I guess the next and obvious next place it could be broke at the Xfer case.
> I haven't delved into the mysteriies of the Xfer case, but I guess my
> question is, what would I be looking for if the rear has lost power?
> 
> I haven't opened the Xfer case, I'll be removing the dual batteries tomorrow
> so I can get at the top of the Xfer case.  anything that would be a red
> flag?
> 
> That's all the details I have for now....
> 
> Matt
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-- 
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1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Message: 32
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] Another day in paradise, or, check your brakes...
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:26:50 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Losing your propolusion must have been a real bummer, David.

(don't know why but propolusion is a hucking filarious word)

J-L
> I've used the hand brake in an emergency once.  A brake line joint failed.
> Brake pedal goes to floor.  I yank handbreak gently, truck starts to slow
down.
> Half-shaft goes "Snap!".  So, now, I have no brakes, and no

*********
propolusion.
*********

> (FWH unlocked, of course...)  I sail through a red light, and coast to a
> stop up the road a bit.  This was not my best day of Land-Rovering.  Not
the
> worst, either.

A very tired J-L

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Message: 33
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:25 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It's a 1974 Series III  88" Lightweight

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hall
To: [email-masked]
Sent: 7/24/01 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.

Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
	for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
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There shouldn't be anything in the xfer that would cause just the rear
wheels to stop getting power. Except in neutral, power goes to the rear
wheel output shaft, and gets coupled to the front wheels when in 4wd.
The only way would be if the output shaft snapped or stripped behind
the drive flange, which I would find highly unlikely. Disregard this if
you aren't talking about a series...

Matt Peckham wrote:
> 
> Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
>         for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
>         - Cheers, Bill
> 
> Was pulling up onto a bank to do a 3 point turn to get onto a trail,
and
> tried to hop onto a berm on the side of the trail, when I heard a
PINGGgggg.
> thought I just smacked a rock or something on the bumper or underbody,
> didn't think anything of it.  finished the turn and started up a rocky
> trail, and couldn't get over the first few rocks.  Tried a few times
and it
> just didn't feel right.  I asked some spotters if both rear wheels
were
> turning, and they said they weren't.  Figured I snapped a halfshaft.
I
> pulled back to the picnic area, and when we got back to camp we pulled
the
> half axles, but both were fine.  I checked the diff there, and
everything
> seemed to be together.  we pulled the rear prop shaft so I could get
home
> (180 miles from Maine) and I took the rear diff out tonight to get a
better
> idea of what happened.  The diff looked perfect.  no chunks, worn
gears,
> broken spiders, nothing.  I reinserted the halfaxles, and tried
turning it,
> and it seems to work fine, both sides turn under no pressure, one
turns if
> the other is held, and the other does the same, and they turn opposite
each
> other.  So I don't think it's the diff.
> 
> I guess the next and obvious next place it could be broke at the Xfer
case.
> I haven't delved into the mysteriies of the Xfer case, but I guess my
> question is, what would I be looking for if the rear has lost power?
> 
> I haven't opened the Xfer case, I'll be removing the dual batteries
tomorrow
> so I can get at the top of the Xfer case.  anything that would be a
red
> flag?
> 
> That's all the details I have for now....
> 
> Matt
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http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
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Message: 34
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:44:27 +0000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Matt, I don't suppose the transfer case could have pooped into neutral?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: joe mulqueen <[email-masked]>
To: LRO <[email-masked]>
Subject: [lro] Premature Clutch Hydraulic Failure
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,
After two years, my clutch hydraulic system seems to
have failed somewhere.   The pedal felt different
after being two months out of service (garaged) while
the truck underwent a tranny, clutch (and linkage),
flywheel, handbrake, steering relay,  water pump and
timing cover overhaul.  I tried bleeding and noted the
fluid is thoroughly black.  I'm also getting bubbles
even when I carefully monitor the small integral
reservoir level (3-4 pumps and then top off). My brake
fluid (which was installed 2 years ago along with my
clutch hydraulics is still clear.  Either my Clutch
master cyl or/and the slave cyl rubber has apparently
rotted.  I have used fresh Castrol and there was never
any water contamination.  Anyone else ever have this
type problem?

Thanks again!
Joe Mulqueen
'67 SIIA

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Message: 36
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:52:44 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I was able to drive it back to camp, but it wouldn't get over any
obstacles.  I did not play with the lever before heading back to camp.  I
drove back to the campground, another 12 miles, without shifting out.  We
popped it in and out of neutral to get the prop shaft off.  it didn't want
to turn when we rotated the prop, but it moved freely in neutral.

That's one of the reasons I figured it was the rear, not the Xfer case.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: N Forbes
To: [email-masked]
Sent: 7/24/01 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.

Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
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Matt, I don't suppose the transfer case could have pooped into neutral?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Message: 37
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:11:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Matt Peckham wrote:

:Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
:	for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
:	- Cheers, Bill
: I was able to drive it back to camp, but it wouldn't get over any
:obstacles.  I did not play with the lever before heading back to camp.  I
:drove back to the campground, another 12 miles, without shifting out.  We
:popped it in and out of neutral to get the prop shaft off.  it didn't want
:to turn when we rotated the prop, but it moved freely in neutral.
:
:That's one of the reasons I figured it was the rear, not the Xfer case.
:

You sure it's acutaly broke?  Reattach the prop shaft, put it in 2-wheel
high, block the front wheels, lift both the rears off ground, and see if
they turn with the main box in gear.  If they don't, see if the prop shaft
does.  If it's turning, it's the diff or a half-shaft (sheared at the driven
member maybe?).  IF it's not, and both boxes are in gear, it's the transfer
case.

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Message: 38
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:27:19 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Reply-To: [email-masked]

And does it move at all in 2wd? If not, I'd have someone look under it 
while you try do drive and see if the propshaft is turning. If not, it 
is in the xfer. If it is, look harder at the diff. Make sure The drive
flanges haven't stripped out also.

Matt Peckham wrote:
>  I was able to drive it back to camp, but it wouldn't get over any
> obstacles.  I did not play with the lever before heading back to camp.  I
> drove back to the campground, another 12 miles, without shifting out.  We
> popped it in and out of neutral to get the prop shaft off.  it didn't want
> to turn when we rotated the prop, but it moved freely in neutral.
> 
> That's one of the reasons I figured it was the rear, not the Xfer case.
> 
> Matt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N Forbes
> To: [email-masked]
> Sent: 7/24/01 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
> 
> Note: The Mailman has replaced Majordomo
>         for list operations go to http://koan.team.net/mailman/index
>         - Cheers, Bill
> Matt, I don't suppose the transfer case could have pooped into neutral?
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
> 
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
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http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
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Message: 39
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked] ' '" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [lro] Not sure what I do'ed.
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:43:33 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'll try putting it back together, but I have the distributor and the
starter solenoid to get fixed before I can get it running again.

Matt

You sure it's acutaly broke?  Reattach the prop shaft, put it in 2-wheel
high, block the front wheels, lift both the rears off ground, and see if
they turn with the main box in gear.  If they don't, see if the prop
shaft
does.  If it's turning, it's the diff or a half-shaft (sheared at the
driven
member maybe?).  IF it's not, and both boxes are in gear, it's the
transfer
case.

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Message: 40
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [lro] gps
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:41:52 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> >Spent 22 in Maine, think that qualifies as foul. :-)
> 
> Yeah, and the weather's none too good there either......8*)

Doah!!!!

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Message: 41
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Running problem (was: Re: [lro] gps)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:11:26 -1000
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Speaking of the GPS, I now know how fast I am going and have the tach
hitched up.
Upgrades, ACR cam, ACR stage I head, petronix ignition, Webber 32/36DVG
carb, pierce heated intake, clifford exhaust manifold, 2" exhaust.  Have the
ignition as far advanced (7deg)as I can get it without pinging.  Run hi test
fuel.  Compression is 140-145 in all four.  New cap, rotor, wires, plugs.
On flats I can get 70-75mph at 3500-3700 rpms.

On hills it still drops off.  Before the upgrades I was just barely holding
40-42mph on my test hill.  Today I was getting 47-49.  Which is a great
improvements, but...
I can drive this same hill at 65mph in my 4cil 2.5 liter yeep.
Both throttle plates are opening fully when the throttle is pressed, but I
don't seem to have any noticable difference in performance between 80% open
and full open.  This is up hill, down hill, flats, etc.  Also going up hills
I am noticing a hesitation at full throttle.  It seems like it's getting
fuel starved.  I have an inline glass filter with a brass insert.  Checked
this and the bowl and screen.  Everything is clear.  I had cleaned out and
coated my fuel tank during the build.  Pulled the sender and with a
flashlight it still looks clean inside.  Pulled the draw tube, nothing on
the screen.

So I am wondering, what is the problem???  I am wondering if its the fuel
pump.  WHat is the book fuel pressure with the stock pump?
How much should the pressure be for the DVG?
Should I go to an electric with a regulator?
Float set wrong?
MNLIA (Mahalo Nui Loa In Advanced)

Pete

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Message: 42
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:57:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Running problem (was: Re: [lro] gps)
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Hope Peter wrote:

:
:So I am wondering, what is the problem???  I am wondering if its the fuel
:pump.  WHat is the book fuel pressure with the stock pump?

Not a whole lot.  Six pounds, maybe?  It's quite possible that the pump is
providing enough volume.  I had a problem with my 109 (with a solex) that it
wouldn't hold highway speed.  The speed would fall off, until I took my foot
off the gas for a few seconds, then it would accelerate back towards speed,
and then lose speed again.  Replacing the pump solved that.

:How much should the pressure be for the DVG?

Not a whole lot;  too much pressure will cause it flood.  How's your carb
jetted?  Mine had to be jetted a whole lot richer than people recommened to
run well at speed.  Similar setup to yours -- 9 to 1 head, 2.5 cam, pierce,
headers 32/36 DGV.

:Should I go to an electric with a regulator?

This is what I had on my weber 2bbl equipped rover.  Worked well.

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