Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #441

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:03:03 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *  Friday, July 6 2001  Volume 01 : Number 441

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Date: 5 Jul 2001 11:57:08 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: rude comments

On Thu, 05 July 2001, [email-masked] wrote:

> If I'm in the wrong forum for 
> Series trucks, can someone suggest
> the proper list I should check?  Or, 
> is that too much to ask?

Bob,

I think you're in the correct forum.  Imagine, however, that in lieu of the off topic messages there was just an absence of messages.  I think if you look at it that way, you'll be happier.  Over the life of the forum, there has been a huge amount of on topic messages - possibly 90%.  We're only human, and our focus will stray.

Tell us more about the variety of series trucks in your tag line when you have a chance.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:12:12 +0100
From: "Mike Rogers" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re-Subject: LRO: Rude comments

Here Here, what the hell is an Aztec anyway, some codename for the new Range
Rover? Oh sorry didn't mean to mention Range Rovers on this list :-)

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)

>>>>>  You know, it's comments like this that remind me of why I hardly read
this list anymore much less write to it. 20 people can write and talk
about  how ugly the Aztec is, but someone throws in some comments about
coilers and some people get all bent out of shape. A true Land Rover
lover can and does appreciate both leafers and coilers...and yes, I do
have both.

Laura Lamb<<<<<

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Date: 5 Jul 2001 19:18:39 GMT
From: "DEREK POMMERENCK" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #440

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:18:40 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Series driver height.

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 01 10:44:22 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Series driver height.

>This really hurts me to admit this but I agree with C. Marin.

Jeez, I'm not THAT bad, am I?  Or maybe being at odds with 
everyone most of the time is a good thing.....  I dunno.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:15:04 +0100
From: "Mike Rogers" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Junkyard Wars

Oh for a new series of Junkyard wars, or Scrapheap challenge as the UK
version was named.

Does anyone remember the boat with the Land Rover diesel engine, what a
scream.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:19:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: video reviews...

in the latest eastwood catalog, i noted two
videos available.  any comment from someone
who might have bought them as to whether they
are good or bad.  i will likely blow the money
and become a panel beater, but i thought i would
ask...

ALUMINUM BODY REPAIR VIDEO
  shows step-by-step procedures for straightening out basic
  damage in the aluminum body.  covers oxy/acetylene welding
  as well as the use of common hand tools that aid in the
  repair process.  explains why certain procedures work better
  and how the metal reacts to different techniques.  a 
  great reference source. vhs 63 minutes.
  31122 aluminum body repair video.. $29.99
  videos are not refundable, if defective, they will be replaced

WORK ALUMINUM BY HAND
  metalworking expert ron covell shows you how to fabricate
  compound curves on aluminum with relatively modest equipment.
  a great video for anyone interested in fabricating their own
  panels.  hand shrinker, sandbag and mallet and welding 
  techniques are demonstrated.  vhs.  104 min.
  28081 shaping aluminum with hand tools video;  $39.99

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:24:17 
From: "Chris Oles" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Midget tach wiring and steering box help needed...

I'm hoping a fellow Roverphile can help.  Trying to wire in a mid-70's 
Midget tachometer into my 70 SIIa 88.  Already have fried a voltage 
stabilizer guessing and now am forced to break down and ask.  Can someone 
post some explicit instructions and maybe even a pic or two of the back of 
the tach wired in?

Also having some steering box leekage issues.  Haven't taken the wing off 
yet to diagnose but can a new seal or 2 stop the leekage?  There is some 
play in the steering of the beast and with a new relay installed and all 
ball joints checked over, I have to guess that oil had leaked out 
unbeknownst to the PO and he ran it dry.  In that case, is a replacement 
steering box in order or can they be rebuilt (it's a RHD)?  How much play is 
acceptable (when I say "play", I mean when the steering wheel is turned to 
how long it takes for the wheels to react)?

Thanks!

Chris
70 SIIa 88
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:26:35 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Roverfest Registration

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If we knew when and where this was it'd help (yes, I'm too lazy to look
at the website).

bill

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:43:48 EDT [email-masked] writes:
Last year's Roverfest was a huge success, and we expect this year to be 
better. But we need everyone's cooperation. 
An event the size of roverfest only works if 90% of the participants 
PREREGISTER, and the majority need to do it atleast a month in advance. 
We know from talking with you guys that a large number of people plan to 
attend, but very few have mailed in the check. If you've ever planned a 
wedding you know the caterer needs several weeks notice on the number of 
guests. We have THREE catered meals for this event. T-shirts,
registration 
packets, camping area, all need advance planning. Most importantly we
need to 
know how many trails and trail leaders will be needed. (this was our
biggest 
problem last year when almost twice as many trucks lined up for the first

trail rides as had signed up for them) 
PLEASE take 5 minutes right now to go to www.roverfest.com, download the 
registration and waiver forms,  and mail them in. 
- -Ed Messenger 
VP 
WCRC 

http://www.roverfest.com 
http://www.landroverclub.com 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:41:00 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Series Driver Height

From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: RE: Series Driver Height. Was: Dodge front ends

>Fourty five years ago when the Series Land Rovers were designed, the
average height of an Englishman was several inches shorter than today.
My recollection from visits to the UK was that Brits are shorter than
Americans. Of course, easterners in this country seem shorter than
westerners. This probably has a lot to do with diet and living conditions.
Does anybody on this list have access to hard facts?

I haven't observed that the British are generally shorter than North Americans today.
I've seen plenty of pretty tall folks striding along the canal towpaths.
But there is a lot of documented evidence that overall, people are getting taller.  
I have seen this reported several times in reference to the Japanese, for example.  
But it's true in this country, too.  Visit the really old (for the US) homes in New 
England that date from the Revolutionary War period.  If you're approaching six 
feet in height, you'll have to duck down to go through every door, even though the 
rooms themselves have plenty of height.  Or visit the USS Constitution in Boston 
harbor.  Granted, space was at a premium on ships of that era, but still, every 
companionway and doorway is extremely low, even though there is standing headroom 
in the compartments themselves.  The same is true in the UK.  There is a wonderful 
preserved hall on the Cheshire plain called Little Moreton Hall (it's a National Trust 
property).  It's considered one of the finest examples of half-timbered construction in 
England, and dates from the 1600s, although it was added to over the years.  But 
while the rooms themselves are actually quite spacious, all the doors are head bashers 
for anyone much over 5-7.

In my opinion, the Series has plenty of headroom, shoulder room, hip room, etc.  But I would 
like to be able to slide my seat back another three inches or so.  However, it didn't take me 
long to get used to the driving position.  In fact, several years ago when I had pulled a muscle in 
my back (very painful) the Series was the only vehicle that was comfortable to drive because of 
it's almost upright seating position.  The Range Rover, despite its fancy multi-position electric 
seats, was not because it has less headroom (for me) than the Series, and I couldn't sit up as 
straight.  Same with my BMW 635.  So actually, I would rate the Series very ergonomic 
in terms of the actual seating position.

In fact, it's the Range Rover, designed 20 years after the Series, that could use more headroom.  
If they had made the seat bases just two or three inches shorter, that would have been great.  
I've never driven a "real" Range Rover, the 1970 to mid-'80s models that have two doors and manual 
seats.  Perhaps the seats are set lower in those versions.  But the Vogue SE/electric seat versions 
could definitely use more headroom for someone like me.  It fits my 5-6 wife perfectly, however.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:47:10 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Electrical Issues

Did you polarize the generator when you reinstalled it???

Aloha
Peter

>From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: LRO: Electrical Issues
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:37:29 -0600
>
>Hello,
>
>I am having some issues with the electrical system in my 1968 109 sw.
>It has a negative ground and uses the generator/regulator combo.
>Recently the generator went out, no problem I took to the local shop
>here in Lander and it was fixed and test good.  On pacing the
>generator back into the Rover the charge light did not go off.  On
>closer listen the regulator seems to be now making an ominous
>crackling noise.  When rev'd sparks flew between two of the coils in
>the regulator, (as you face it the two most right).  Should I be
>looking for a problem with the connections from the generator to the
>regulator and possibly a short somewhere else in the system, or is
>this type of behavior indicative of a problem with the regulator?
>
>Thanks for your time,
>
>Brendan Evans

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:57:00 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Roverfest Registration

Killington, VT.  August 10 - 12.

>>> [email-masked] 07/05/01 03:26PM >>>
If we knew when and where this was it'd help (yes, I'm too lazy to look
at the website).

bill

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:43:48 EDT [email-masked] writes:
Last year's Roverfest was a huge success, and we expect this year to be 
better. But we need everyone's cooperation. 
An event the size of roverfest only works if 90% of the participants 
PREREGISTER, and the majority need to do it atleast a month in advance. 
We know from talking with you guys that a large number of people plan to 
attend, but very few have mailed in the check. If you've ever planned a 
wedding you know the caterer needs several weeks notice on the number of 
guests. We have THREE catered meals for this event. T-shirts,
registration 
packets, camping area, all need advance planning. Most importantly we
need to 
know how many trails and trail leaders will be needed. (this was our
biggest 
problem last year when almost twice as many trucks lined up for the first

trail rides as had signed up for them) 
PLEASE take 5 minutes right now to go to www.roverfest.com, download the 
registration and waiver forms,  and mail them in. 
- -Ed Messenger 
VP 
WCRC 

http://www.roverfest.com 
http://www.landroverclub.com 

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:03:01 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Midget tach wiring and steering box help needed...

Leakage from the box seems inevitable.  Have never seen one that was clean 
unless the PO blasted off the truck on a regular basis.  Refill with 140 
weight in the fill hole in the top, if you haven't already done so.  Clean 
off the box and see if it is actually visibly oozing out or not.  If I only 
saw a small area of seapage around the box after a week or two, would bet 
its normal..  There is an adjustment on the side of the box.  A threaded 
piece with a locknut on the outside.  Tighten this up judiciously as too 
much torque on the adjuster will supposedly have dire consequences.  I've 
just used one finger on a wrench to tighten it up just enough to eliminate 
steering wheel play to the box.  The only rover I've ever driven that didn't 
have pretty sloppy steering is a Series III, by the way, and I've driven a 
couple of low mileage IIa's.

If it is a serious leak, there are gaskets at the bottom,outboard side, and 
steering post joint that could be changed and an 'O' ring on the out put 
shaft.  Probably would require removing the box to get at these seals.

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: "Chris Oles" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: LRO: Midget tach wiring and steering box help needed...
>Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:24:17
>
>I'm hoping a fellow Roverphile can help.  Trying to wire in a mid-70's
>Midget tachometer into my 70 SIIa 88.  Already have fried a voltage
>stabilizer guessing and now am forced to break down and ask.  Can someone
>post some explicit instructions and maybe even a pic or two of the back of
>the tach wired in?
>
>Also having some steering box leekage issues.  Haven't taken the wing off
>yet to diagnose but can a new seal or 2 stop the leekage?  There is some
>play in the steering of the beast and with a new relay installed and all
>ball joints checked over, I have to guess that oil had leaked out
>unbeknownst to the PO and he ran it dry.  In that case, is a replacement
>steering box in order or can they be rebuilt (it's a RHD)?  How much play 
>is
>acceptable (when I say "play", I mean when the steering wheel is turned to
>how long it takes for the wheels to react)?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chris
>70 SIIa 88
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:05:55 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Roverfest Registration

>If we knew when and where this was it'd help (yes, I'm too lazy to 
>look at the website).
>

Killington, VT.

jab

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:25:11 -0600
From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Electrical Issues

I am guessing that I did not, since I don't understand how you are 
using the word polarize in this context.  I am pretty much a rank 
amateur learning as I fix one problem and create two more in the 
process.  Self extrapolation of learning scenarios created by my own 
need for/lack of knowledge.

What is involved in polarizing a generator?  The Haynes manual did 
not seem to reference it as I think back to it here at work.

I bolted the generator back into place and reattached the wires to 
what I thought were the appropriate terminals. (There are only two 
terminals on the back of the generator and they are sized differently 
to prevent mixing them up I am guessing.) I then jump started the 
Rover, sparks ensued upon applying the gas.

Thanks,

Brendan

>Did you polarize the generator when you reinstalled it???
>
>Aloha
>Peter
>
>>From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
>>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>>To: [email-masked]
>>Subject: LRO: Electrical Issues
>>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:37:29 -0600
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am having some issues with the electrical system in my 1968 109 sw.
>>It has a negative ground and uses the generator/regulator combo.
>>Recently the generator went out, no problem I took to the local shop
>>here in Lander and it was fixed and test good.  On pacing the
>>generator back into the Rover the charge light did not go off.  On
>>closer listen the regulator seems to be now making an ominous
>>crackling noise.  When rev'd sparks flew between two of the coils in
>>the regulator, (as you face it the two most right).  Should I be
>>looking for a problem with the connections from the generator to the
>>regulator and possibly a short somewhere else in the system, or is
>>this type of behavior indicative of a problem with the regulator?
>>
>>Thanks for your time,
>>
>>Brendan Evans
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:09:33 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Midget tach wiring and steering box help needed...

Or  [flamesuit on] . . . . just pump a whole bunch of grease in there,
put the cap on and forget about it forever.

bill

On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:03:01 -1000 "Peter Ogilvie"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> Leakage from the box seems inevitable.  

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:49:36 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Electrical Issues

Perhaps not a lot of help, but when I started having trouble with my 
charging system, I took a different approach. Instead of debugging what I 
considered to be outdated and marginal, I simply put a new GM alternator in 
the truck. Cheap (under $100 Cdn) and easy, I can get spares anywhere, it's 
self-regulating and it puts out more power. I was even able to reuse my 
stock generator mounting bracket.

Keith Tanner

At 16:25 05-07-01, you wrote:
>I am guessing that I did not, since I don't understand how you are using 
>the word polarize in this context.  I am pretty much a rank amateur 
>learning as I fix one problem and create two more in the process.  Self 
>extrapolation of learning scenarios created by my own need for/lack of 
>knowledge.
>
>What is involved in polarizing a generator?  The Haynes manual did not 
>seem to reference it as I think back to it here at work.
>
>I bolted the generator back into place and reattached the wires to what I 
>thought were the appropriate terminals. (There are only two terminals on 
>the back of the generator and they are sized differently to prevent mixing 
>them up I am guessing.) I then jump started the Rover, sparks ensued upon 
>applying the gas.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brendan
>
>>Did you polarize the generator when you reinstalled it???
>>
>>Aloha
>>Peter
>>
>>>From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
>>>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>>>To: [email-masked]
>>>Subject: LRO: Electrical Issues
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:37:29 -0600
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I am having some issues with the electrical system in my 1968 109 sw.
>>>It has a negative ground and uses the generator/regulator combo.
>>>Recently the generator went out, no problem I took to the local shop
>>>here in Lander and it was fixed and test good.  On pacing the
>>>generator back into the Rover the charge light did not go off.  On
>>>closer listen the regulator seems to be now making an ominous
>>>crackling noise.  When rev'd sparks flew between two of the coils in
>>>the regulator, (as you face it the two most right).  Should I be
>>>looking for a problem with the connections from the generator to the
>>>regulator and possibly a short somewhere else in the system, or is
>>>this type of behavior indicative of a problem with the regulator?
>>>
>>>Thanks for your time,
>>>
>>>Brendan Evans
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:25:38 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Dodge front ends

Jeff writes: >>>What qualifies a vehicle as a "real off-road vehicle"?  What
> disqualifies one?
> 
> That term gets thrown out a lot, but I don't think I've seen it
> definitively described.<<<

if the vehicle can do the job or not. It ain't a legal term.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:20:31 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Dodge front ends

Mike Tompkins writes: >>>There are people that want to drive these so-called
> SUVs like sports cars and wonder why they tip
> over. I never heard of a sports car driver taking
> his car off-road and suing a car manufacturer
> because it failed to perform adequately.<<<

and,
 one 4x4 falls over and they say its unsafe. How many sports cars leave the
road every weekend on a bend?... yet they keep on selling 'em....

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:59:42 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Dodge front ends

Thanks Obvious Man! ;-)

I just threw that out.  It's a common thread on all the "vehicle specific"
boards.  Somehow, it always seems to get back that the only way to make your
truck better is to first slam someone elses.

That and it's interesting to find out what people consider "real off-roaders".
Usually it includes a definition that makes sure that their truck in included,
but still allows them to discount someone elses.

Jeff

Frank Elson wrote:

> Jeff writes: >>>What qualifies a vehicle as a "real off-road vehicle"?  What
> > disqualifies one?
> >
> > That term gets thrown out a lot, but I don't think I've seen it
> > definitively described.<<<
>
> if the vehicle can do the job or not. It ain't a legal term.
>
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:52:08 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Series Driver Height

> But it's true in this country, too.  Visit the really old (for the US)
homes in New
> England that date from the Revolutionary War period.  If you're
approaching six
> feet in height, you'll have to duck down to go through every door, even
though the
> rooms themselves have plenty of height.

Was this related to thermal dynamics, heat rising?
Low door header means heat stays in the room better when entering and
leaving?
Just curious?
Pete

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:55:55 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: UK car index marks (long)

Frank Elson wrote back in April:
> A few of you have asked me questions about UK registration (index) marks
in
> the past.
>  I posted the prefix/suffix years list a while ago and I've just got round
> to collating all the index marks.

Did anyone save the original email from Frank that listed the years of
registration?
I saved the later two posts from him, but not the original
Thanks
Pete

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:44:01 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: UK car index marks (long)

The long one? Towards the bottom..... : )

http://www.fourfold.org/RoverWeb/lro/20010413

Lori

>Did anyone save the original email from Frank that listed the years of
>registration?
>I saved the later two posts from him, but not the original
>Thanks
>Pete

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:08:31 -0400 
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Soft-top question

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Hi there...

   Does anyone remember a company (or an individual) in California I believe
that made a softtop pick up top for series Rovers? I remember checking out
their web site years ago but have long since lost the link.

Thanks
Keith

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:26:14 -0400 
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: rude comments (an explanation)

Bob Sharp wrote
There is a forum out there to satisfy everyone, they just have to seek
it 
out.  I just want to read about Series trucks. If I'm in the wrong forum
for 
Series trucks, can someone suggest the proper list I should check?  Or,
is 
that too much to ask?

I think you note tells it all, Bob, LROs cover probably the broadest
demographics of any marque and as Gerry (I think) said we are an eccentric
crowd too. Personally I enjoy the wanderings of this list and find that it
is self regulating to a large extent. Sure we wander off topic but it's
usually interesting and generally peters out before it becomes a bore.
Certainly the list is much more polite than many others in tolerating a
variety of views. And there is still a wealth of experience available for LR
related problems and questions. Ask and ye shall receive.

Trevor Easton

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:45:48 -0500
From: "Andy Pease" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Soft-top question

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Andy

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:44:24 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Soft-top question

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You could try the guys over at Can Back.

Lawrence over there, http://www.can-back.com/, is a Roverphile.  The
tops they make for pick up trucks is pretty much based off the LR
design.  They use Sunbrella fabric.  It's good stuff.  Worth a shot at
least.   They are over in El Monte, CA.

Jeff

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>
> Hi there...
>
>    Does anyone remember a company (or an individual) in California I
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> Thanks
> Keith

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tops they make for pick up trucks is pretty much based off the LR design.&nbsp;
They use Sunbrella fabric.&nbsp; It's good stuff.&nbsp; Worth a shot at
least.&nbsp;&nbsp; They are over in El Monte, CA.<br>
<br>
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:32:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Electrical Issues

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Keith Tanner wrote:

:Perhaps not a lot of help, but when I started having trouble with my
:charging system, I took a different approach. Instead of debugging what I
:considered to be outdated and marginal, I simply put a new GM alternator in
:the truck. Cheap (under $100 Cdn) and easy, I can get spares anywhere, it's
:self-regulating and it puts out more power. I was even able to reuse my
:stock generator mounting bracket.
:

I second this advice.  Go get a Delco.  The one you want is for a 75
Olds 88 with aircon -- this has a double pulley, which makes this as
close to a bolt in as you're going to get.  It's worth calling around
for a price, you can easily spend twice what you need to.  (Autozone
was about $50 US, including core.  Another local place was about $100)
Fit a bushing to the mounting bolt hole so it's 5/16 ths, instead of
3/8. (or you can drill out hte genny mount, but that's more work).  Then
follow the electrical bits of Al Richer's instructions (somewhere at
www.ovlr.org).  It's a lazy afternoon's work.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:03:46 -0700
From: Rob Modica <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Series driver height

Interesting discussion RE: hieght versus comfort versus fit.  

I'm a thin 6'2" and drove my 109 as a daily driver for almost 20 years
- -- before being seduced by roll up windows that didn't rattle (no more
matchbook covers folded over), a radio I could actually hear, A/C,
etc. etc.  In all those years I was never "really" comfortable in the
109, but I always enjoyed the ride -- still do.

What was REALLY uncomfortable was sitting in Ben Smith's 101 last year
in Colorado.  I don't think there is anyway I could drive a 101 a mile
- -- although I admit to wanting one very, very badly.  SWMBO would have
a cow if I ever got one.  She makes her wishes known everytime I show
her a picture of one.

BTW -- this leaf vrs coil hoof & mouth disease is laughable.  Just
look at the signatures of our fellow listers.

Rob

        Arizona Land Rover Owners
Rob Modica     '51 Series I  80"  16136629
Tucson AZ      '60 Series II 109" 16400620
[email-masked]   '94 Disco 5 spd
   A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973

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