Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #422

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:49:42 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, June 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 422

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:25:28 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

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I think you've been inhaling a few too many diesel fumes.   If you want a
series vehicle that is more capable than a series vehicle.  get a defender.
If you can't afford a defender, get a series.  If you can't afford a series,
stick with Scouts.

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From: Joseph S Dufresne [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:12 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

But range rovers look like a station wagon, not a truck!
`       

At 09:40 AM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:

This is too "out there".  Just buy a Range Rover it has coils already. and
the Range Rover tcase/axles.

on rovers, here's what I think I want:

109"
light weight front clip
tub "lightened"
range rover 5spd/tcase/axles
coils
sd33 or sd22 diesel

this would be a trail rig, but still street legal, is this a good project,
or too "out there"?

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/> http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/ 
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking
Scouts. 

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=723383019-28062001>I 
think you've been inhaling a few too many diesel fumes.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want 
a series vehicle that is more capable than a series vehicle.&nbsp; get a 
defender.&nbsp; If you can't afford a defender, get a series.&nbsp; If you can't 
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  <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Joseph S Dufresne 
  [mailto:[email-masked]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:12 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LRO: RE: New Guy or 
  All about Joe<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>But range rovers look like a station wagon, 
  not a 
  truck!<BR>`<X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><BR><BR>At 
  09:40 AM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite type="cite">This is too "out there".&nbsp; Just 
    buy a Range Rover it has coils already. and<BR>the Range Rover 
    tcase/axles.<BR><BR><BR>on rovers, here's what I think I 
    want:<BR><BR>109"<BR>light weight front clip<BR>tub "lightened"<BR>range 
    rover 5spd/tcase/axles<BR>coils<BR>sd33 or sd22 diesel<BR><BR>this would be 
    a trail rig, but still street legal, is this a good project,<BR>or too "out 
    there"?</BLOCKQUOTE><X-SIGSEP>
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  href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><FONT 
  color=#0000ff><U>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</A></U></FONT> <BR>78 SSII; 
  Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking 
  Scouts. <BR><BR>"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't 
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:34:59 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Best solo brake bleeder yet

The motive products brake bleeder does work well but only come with a cap 
for an apparently 'industry standard' thread that wasn't heard of when the 
Series Rovers were made.  I called them up about an adapter when I got the 
bleeder last fall.  They said they were working on a solution but not to 
hold my breath.  They may have an official adapter by now, you'll have to 
ask them, though.

I made it work by taking a short, 9" or so, section of 2"-2.25"x26" bicycle 
inner tube, folded it back to make a cuff on both ends, and clamped it over 
the pressure bleeder cap and the brake reservoir cap with hose clamps.  I 
had to use 15-20 psi to get the 109 to bleed properly so the inner tube 
section tended to balloon out.  Cured this by wrapping the inner tube with 
clear packing tape.  A bit cumbersome but worked fine at containing the 
expansion of the tube.  You can top up the brake reservoir by putting brake 
fluid in the pressure bleeder, by the way, so don't need to remove the tube 
to fill the reservoir while bleeding.

This pressure bleeder was the only way I could get my 109 brakes to bleed 
out to a no pump, rock hard hard pedal.  An almost unheard of condition for 
a 109.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Best solo brake bleeder yet
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:05:42 -0400
>
>See http://www.motiveproducts.com/home.htm
>
>Cheers,
>Mike
>'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/
>
>"Andrew H. Litkowiak" wrote:
>
> > I missed that one :-) Does it come with a variety (or choice) of caps?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:35:27 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painless Wiring (Re: Re: Ex MOD 110  question-re:wiring)

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1978 scout II.  and I belive you meant 800 or II.

Joe

At 08:08 PM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:
> > instructions to you.  plus the big one.  i'm putting a diesel in my scout,
>
>Ahhh Scouts, Land Rovers and diesels.... man after my own heart.
>What model Scout?  400 or II?
>Pete

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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1978 scout II.&nbsp; and I belive you meant 800 or II.<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
<br>
At 08:08 PM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt; instructions to you.&nbsp;
plus the big one.&nbsp; i'm putting a diesel in my scout,<br><br>
Ahhh Scouts, Land Rovers and diesels.... man after my own heart.<br>
What model Scout?&nbsp; 400 or II?<br>
Pete</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:30:05 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: New Guy or All about Joe

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Yeah, i know.  another thing i gotta fix

Joe

At 08:15 PM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:

> > http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
> > 78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for
>Smoking
> > Scouts.
> >
> > "It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"
> >
>
>Like then site.  Really like the swing out tire/fuel/hilift rack on the 78.
>The links to you photos are to your local machine however. :-)
>Pete

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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Yeah, i know.&nbsp; another thing i gotta fix<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 08:15 PM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl">http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a><br>
&gt; 78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer
for<br>
Smoking<br>
&gt; Scouts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't
understand&quot;<br>
&gt;<br><br>
Like then site.&nbsp; Really like the swing out tire/fuel/hilift rack on
the 78.<br>
The links to you photos are to your local machine however. :-)<br>
Pete</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:31:10 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: RE: Painless Wiring

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they treat me good.

Joe

At 10:28 PM 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote:

> > ...oh yeah, Jegs.com has the Painless items on their website...better
>prices
> > and stock than Summit too...
>
>Nice to see another choice, but the prices only seem to vary by a buck or
>two. Am I missing something vis-a-vis "better prices?"
>
>Perhaps the JEGS guys aren't as surley. There's value in that...
>
>Alex Maiolo
>Chapel Hill NC

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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they treat me good.<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 10:28 PM 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt; ...oh yeah, Jegs.com has the
Painless items on their website...better<br>
prices<br>
&gt; and stock than Summit too...<br><br>
Nice to see another choice, but the prices only seem to vary by a buck
or<br>
two. Am I missing something vis-a-vis &quot;better 
prices?&quot;<br><br>
Perhaps the JEGS guys aren't as surley. There's value in 
that...<br><br>
Alex Maiolo<br>
Chapel Hill NC</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:57:49 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

<html><head></head><body>Bill,<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;&nbsp; I don't know you, but you are WAY off base on your assumptions about
people making suspension parts, and I think you are also wrong about what
coilers can and cannot do.&nbsp; I have deep respect for Series Land Rovers and
what they can accomplish, but your arguments just don't hold water.&nbsp; There
are at least 5 suspension component makers in the UK, add Safari Gard, OME,
Rangie Spares, RoverTym, Rockware, and Never Summer Offroad.&nbsp; And these are
FAR from one-offs.&nbsp; I would argue that SafariGard is the only one who is
attempting to make a killing at selling parts and they are quickly losing
market share to those making better parts more cheaply.<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;&nbsp; I agree that the trucks are set up from the factory quite well, but as
with any vehicle, they are a product for the masses.&nbsp; Certain modifications
can increase their capability in many areas.&nbsp; I'd suggest you take a good
accounting of the Land Rover market before you condemn people's products,
including prices, warranty, and availability of goods.&nbsp; You might be surprised.<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;&nbsp; I agree that Joe should learn the joys of series ownership before completely
redoing his truck because he may find that it meets his needs.&nbsp; But if it
doesn't there are certainly other options out there for him.&nbsp; Parabolics
and lockers will get him most places you are very right about that. But there
is no doubt that coils do offer a level of comfort on longer trips that the
leafs simply can't.<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;&nbsp; As for your 109 diesel in the mud, you are likely correct since you have
a good deal more torque available to you at a much lower RPM.&nbsp; That is your
element.&nbsp; However, change the venue to the rocks, or to most other technical
venues, and the 90 will be pulling you early and often.&nbsp; And then leave you
for dead when the asphalt picks back up. &nbsp;&nbsp; Series trucks have their place,
as do the other models of Land Rover.&nbsp; All are capable, all have faults.<br>
<br>
- -Perrone Ford<br>
<br>
1991 RR<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bill Adams wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email-masked]"><pre wrap="">I repeat, there aren't many companies making suspension improvement<br>parts for Range Rovers and Defenders. OME and Safari Guard are about it.<br>Anything else is a one-off, that is, a couple guys do some mods to ONE<br>truck and call themselves a company that supplies suspension mods. The<br>demand for suspension modification is very limited, and trying to make a<br>go of supplying parts is very difficult. All of them assume that you are<br>made of money because you own a Defender or Rangie and charge for their<br>sevices accordingly. These trucks come from the factory set up very well<br>for 98 percent of the buying public, so margin has to be quite fat in<br>order to turn a profit on parts they sell. Imagine the amount of time<br>these people have to spend on the phone with customers addressing<br>various installation, warranty and repair issues. I should think that<br>even with the prices they cha!
rge, they don't really make all tha  </blockquote>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:00:29 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Best solo brake bleeder yet

<html><head></head><body>What year is your 109?&nbsp; My friend with a 67 said
his brake cap was the same as that on a Defender.. which the Motive Products
bleeder fits just fine..<br>
<br>
- -P<br>
<br>
Peter Ogilvie wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email-masked]">
The motive products brake bleeder does work well but only come with a cap&nbsp;
for an apparently 'industry standard' thread that wasn't heard of when the&nbsp;
Series Rovers were made.&nbsp; I called them up about an adapter when I got the&nbsp;
bleeder last fall.&nbsp; They said they were working on a solution but not to&nbsp;
hold my breath.&nbsp; They may have an official adapter by now, you'll have to&nbsp;
ask them, though.<br>
  <br>
I made it work by taking a short, 9" or so, section of 2"-2.25"x26" bicycle&nbsp;
inner tube, folded it back to make a cuff on both ends, and clamped it over&nbsp;
the pressure bleeder cap and the brake reservoir cap with hose clamps.&nbsp; I&nbsp;
had to use 15-20 psi to get the 109 to bleed properly so the inner tube&nbsp;
section tended to balloon out.&nbsp; Cured this by wrapping the inner tube with&nbsp;
clear packing tape.&nbsp; A bit cumbersome but worked fine at containing the&nbsp;
expansion of the tube.&nbsp; You can top up the brake reservoir by putting brake&nbsp;
fluid in the pressure bleeder, by the way, so don't need to remove the tube&nbsp;
to fill the reservoir while bleeding.<br>
  <br>
This pressure bleeder was the only way I could get my 109 brakes to bleed&nbsp;
out to a no pump, rock hard hard pedal.&nbsp; An almost unheard of condition for&nbsp;
a 109.</blockquote>
  <br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:12:14 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

what the hell are you talking about suspension mods are not in high demand??? 
look at www.d-90.com! these guys keep the suspension comapnies in business!

adam

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:37:51 -0400
From: David G Russell <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Wiring

On 28/6/01 at 15:23, "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Wiring
> 
> > Very nice.
> >
> > 2 questions:
> >     Do they come with any sort of protection for the wires
> >     or are you on your own?

> Not sure what you mean by "protection for the wires"

Sorry about that.

> The wires go into the fuse block and are embedded at that end in the
> same waterproofing that the rest of the block is in.  The wires are
> insulated for their entire length.  Each fuse has a seperate 12g wire
> maybe 5' long, but the bundle of wires is loose, no outer armour or
> anything.

That's what I was looking for. I imagine it's impractical for them to
provide any outer armour as each install will be different.

> I used 2 of the waterproof blocks and spools of 12 gauge wire to
> rewire my IIa 88.  I spent a great deal of time creating a diagram of
> how I wanted things to run, added seperate circiuts for all of my
> lights, cooling fan, and radios. I wish I had gotten some GM style
> harnes connectors. I didn't create seperate harnesses, but instead
> wired one huge thing.  It works, but it's pretty much going to be a
> real PITA if I need to remove it.  Unplug rear turn signal and that
> wire runs forward and up into the dash. I think next time I do this I
> will make a rear harness, dash harnes, engine harness.

Thanks--that's valuable info!

- -David

Please Note: I have changed ISP's and have a new personal e-mail
address, listed above. I suspect the old one will no longer be in
service by late July.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:49:34 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

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At 10:27 AM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Welcome, Joe.
>The best thing about the Rover is it's already set up for trail use.

so i've noticed.  real spartan.

>Admittedly, there are a few things one can do to improve performance,
>but by and large you really don't need to do much.

sure i do.  when's the last time you met an engineer whe din't need to 
change some thing?

>Judging by your post it seems that you have a sensible approach to
>off-roading vehicles. My advice to you would be to look for a good
>condition 109 pickup or soft top, install parabolic springs and assess
>the capabilities for a year or so before doing any major surgery. You
>may just be surprised at what it'll do.

was planning on that anyhow

>There aren't many options for range rover coilsprung chassis bits. Old
>Man Emu and a couple others make taller springs, but taller shock mounts
>and longer travel shocks are not off the shelf items and there are
>serious driveline issues involved in these modifications. The only

I'f I do coils i'll go custom

>advantage is the disc brakes and stronger diffs on the axles, so maybe
>you would want to rework the axle case to take a leaf spring.

hmm wonder if scout axles would fit....

>As to gearing, there are available low-low transfer cases that give rock
>crawling ratios for the Series transmissions.

can you give me any names?

>All in all, it isn't really necessary to build up a wild and extreme
>Series truck. They get by just fine as they are thank you very much.

well, except the little "training" wheels.

>--
>Bill Adams
>Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
>IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC
>[email-masked]
>202-205-9638
>
>1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel
>1981 Honda GoldWing Standard
>1963 Pearson Vanguard
>"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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At 10:27 AM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Welcome, Joe.<br>
The best thing about the Rover is it's already set up for trail
use.</blockquote><br><br>
so i've noticed.&nbsp; real spartan.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Admittedly, there are a few things
one can do to improve performance,<br>
but by and large you really don't need to do much.</blockquote><br><br>
sure i do.&nbsp; when's the last time you met an engineer whe din't need
to change some thing?<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Judging by your post it seems that
you have a sensible approach to<br>
off-roading vehicles. My advice to you would be to look for a good<br>
condition 109 pickup or soft top, install parabolic springs and
assess<br>
the capabilities for a year or so before doing any major surgery.
You<br>
may just be surprised at what it'll do.</blockquote><br><br>
was planning on that anyhow<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>There aren't many options for range
rover coilsprung chassis bits. Old<br>
Man Emu and a couple others make taller springs, but taller shock
mounts<br>
and longer travel shocks are not off the shelf items and there are<br>
serious driveline issues involved in these modifications. The
only</blockquote><br><br>
I'f I do coils i'll go custom<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>advantage is the disc brakes and
stronger diffs on the axles, so maybe<br>
you would want to rework the axle case to take a leaf
spring.</blockquote><br>
hmm wonder if scout axles would fit....<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>As to gearing, there are available
low-low transfer cases that give rock<br>
crawling ratios for the Series transmissions.</blockquote><br>
can you give me any names?<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>All in all, it isn't really
necessary to build up a wild and extreme<br>
Series truck. They get by just fine as they are thank you very
much.</blockquote><br><br>
well, except the little &quot;training&quot; wheels.  <br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>-- <br>
Bill Adams<br>
Motion Graphics/3D Design Director<br>
IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC<br>
[email-masked]<br>
202-205-9638<br><br>
1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel<br>
1981 Honda GoldWing Standard<br>
1963 Pearson Vanguard<br>
&quot;Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching&quot;</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:54:50 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

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At 01:45 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey Joe, sounds like a nice Scout you have.  I almost bought one a few weeks

thanks.  if all goes well he'll be a lot diffrent next year

>ago.  As to your Rover project, you wont be able to put the lightweight front
>clip on the 109 without some very very very serious custom fab work.  the
>lightweight body is narrower than the regular series trucks, designed to be

I didn't know that.

>
>carried two across in the british military cargo plane of the day.  what do
>you mean by "lighten" the rear tub?  if you wish to go to coil springs and

remove as much weight as possible

>that drivetrain, look at www.designa-chassis.co.uk.   if you want to do that
>drivetrain swap, i suggest you buy a defender 110 frame, and bolt the series
>body to it.  the body (overall) length is the same between the two, but the
>wheel base is an inch longer.  on a stock 109, the axle is about 1 to 1.5
>inches forward from the center of the rear wheel well.  using a 110 frame
>would deal with this and would be cheaper (and easier) in the long run, as
>110s came stock with the drivetrain and axles you are pursueing.  once again,
>welcome to the list, and dont be overwhelmed by the amount of emails in your
>box everyday!

what bell housing pattern?  I want a diesel, and from what i've seen, i 
don't like series diesels.  I think a sd22 would match up ok, but a sd33 
would be the best choice.

Joe

>adam

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
"Don't shoot to kill, shoot to live!"
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At 01:45 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>Hey Joe, sounds like a nice Scout
you have.&nbsp; I almost bought one a few weeks </blockquote><br>
thanks.&nbsp; if all goes well he'll be a lot diffrent next=20
year<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>ago.&nbsp; As to your Rover
project, you wont be able to put the lightweight front <br>
clip on the 109 without some very very very serious custom fab
work.&nbsp; the <br>
lightweight body is narrower than the regular series trucks, designed to
be</blockquote><br><br>
I didn't know that.&nbsp; <br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>&nbsp;<br>
carried two across in the british military cargo plane of the day.&nbsp;
what do <br>
you mean by &quot;lighten&quot; the rear tub?&nbsp; if you wish to go to
coil springs and </blockquote><br><br>
remove as much weight as possible<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>that drivetrain, look at
<a href=3D"http://www.designa-chassis.co.uk.=A0=A0/" eudora=3D"autourl">www.=
designa-chassis.co.uk.&nbsp;
</a> if you want to do that <br>
drivetrain swap, i suggest you buy a defender 110 frame, and bolt the
series <br>
body to it.&nbsp; the body (overall) length is the same between the two,
but the <br>
wheel base is an inch longer.&nbsp; on a stock 109, the axle is about 1
to 1.5 <br>
inches forward from the center of the rear wheel well.&nbsp; using a 110
frame <br>
would deal with this and would be cheaper (and easier) in the long run,
as <br>
110s came stock with the drivetrain and axles you are pursueing.&nbsp;
once again, <br>
welcome to the list, and dont be overwhelmed by the amount of emails in
your <br>
box everyday!</blockquote><br><br>
what bell housing pattern?&nbsp; I want a diesel, and from what i've
seen, i don't like series diesels.&nbsp; I think a sd22 would match up
ok, but a sd33 would be the best choice.<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>adam</blockquote>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:56 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

> But range rovers look like a station wagon, not a truck!
> `

ha, Laughed out loud at reading that
Pete

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:13:38 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: Wiring

> That's what I was looking for. I imagine it's impractical for them to
> provide any outer armour as each install will be different.
>
Yeah, I wonder if it would be worth it to run long segments inside of Romex,
the flex cable used in homes.
I just wrapped mine in good quality black tape.  Used 4-5 rolls for the
whole thing.

Pete

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:03:38 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

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That is my only beef.  I thought rovers were made from aluminum, not 
gold!  where does one find a inexpensive land rover?

Joe

At 03:25 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I think you've been inhaling a few too many diesel fumes.   If you want a 
>series vehicle that is more capable than a series vehicle.  get a 
>defender.  If you can't afford a defender, get a series.  If you can't 
>afford a series, stick with Scouts.
>

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
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That is my only beef.&nbsp; I thought rovers were made from aluminum, not
gold!&nbsp; where does one find a inexpensive land rover?<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 03:25 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">I
think you've been inhaling a few too many diesel fumes.&nbsp;&nbsp; If
you want a series vehicle that is more capable than a series
vehicle.&nbsp; get a defender.&nbsp; If you can't afford a defender, get
a series.&nbsp; If you can't afford a series, stick with
Scouts.</font><br>
&nbsp;</blockquote>
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Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; <br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u><a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl">http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:59:27 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Best solo brake bleeder yet

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are series rigs equiped with power stearing?  anyone done a hydro-boost 
conversion?

Joe

At 09:34 AM 6/28/2001 -1000, you wrote:
>This pressure bleeder was the only way I could get my 109 brakes to bleed 
>out to a no pump, rock hard hard pedal.  An almost unheard of condition 
>for a 109.

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

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are series rigs equiped with power stearing?&nbsp; anyone done a
hydro-boost conversion?<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 09:34 AM 6/28/2001 -1000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>This pressure bleeder was the only
way I could get my 109 brakes to bleed out to a no pump, rock hard hard
pedal.&nbsp; An almost unheard of condition for a 109.<br>
</blockquote>
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Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:16:54 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

the 200Tdi and 300Tdi land rover diesels are awesome machines.  200 ft lbs at 1800 rpm from a 2.5 L inline 4 diesel.  many many companies in the uk mae hotter parts for them as well, including stroker kits, bigger turbos, and bigger intercoolers.  ive heard of 250hp 300lb ft 300 tdis.

adam

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:00 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: New Guy or All about Joe

> >advantage is the disc brakes and stronger diffs on the axles, so maybe
> >you would want to rework the axle case to take a leaf spring.
>
> hmm wonder if scout axles would fit....
>
>

If you swap out the transfer case, yes.  The Scout axles are about 2" wider,
so you would either get a different offset on the rims, or use fender
flares.
I sold my old Dana 44's to a guy who was putting them on a Rover.
If you run a Nissan diesel from an 80 scout along with the tranny and Dana
300 you would have a pretty good set up.  I had this in my Traveller which
is way heavier then a 109.  Plus you can pick up late model scouts that have
accident/rust damage but good drive drains for next to nothing.  I found a
75 II and a 79 Traveller in South East VA for $500 each.
Other option if you are not familier with it yet is the Rover Salisbury
axle, this is just a shortened Dana 60.  The were on the rears of late 109's
and on the front and rear of some Defenders.  The wreckers in the UK are
always listing them for sale.  If you go with the 110 front and rear you get
a Dana 60 set up for coils, has discs and you can run any ring and pinion
you want.

Pete

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:41:08 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Best solo brake bleeder yet

> are series rigs equiped with power stearing?  

Nope.
But a homebrew conversion is out there using a....
yeap, Scout box
TeriAnn has a good write up
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/LRIndex.htm

Pete

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:03:51 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

try www.lrx.com, or your local classifieds.  every once in a while one will come up where the owner has no idea how to deal with it and has no knowledge of their value.

adam

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:59:54 -0400
From: Matt and Ann <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Galvanizing in Upstate NY

There is a shop in Utica that does galvanizing of parts, I believe its
called O E Hubble or somtheing like that. Look in the Utica area telephone
book under "galvanizing". If you can't find the # email me and I'll look it
up, I was looking at it a couple days ago.

Matt Nelson
Oneonta NY

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:38:08 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: New Guy or All about Joe

> > But range rovers look like a station wagon, not a truck!

Yeah!! but a damn competent station wagon.  With the exception of the rear 
overhang, they are acutally a much better off road vehicle than a Series and 
do it a lot more smoothly.  They are way cheaper, also.  One rust free, 
runner just went for $2,000 on EBay.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:20:38 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: strange looking French cars-way off topic

I was just reminded of this thread of a few weeks ago.
 On UK TV - a motoring programme - tonight was the Renault Avantime which I
remember as a 'styling' exercise at the Motor Show a few years back.
 You want weird? wait 'till this gets to the States lads...
Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:52:59 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Lucas strikes again!!

My wife's nephew (my step-nephew?) was one of the designers of the Bentley.
His dad (not motoring minded at all) said they had a very strange phone call
from France on the Sunday evening 'It sounded as if Paul was drunk"... yeah,
right!

Eurosport, a UK cable channel (the name says it all really) had superb
coverage. I just kept dipping in and there the race was...
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: N Forbes <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:55 PM
Subject: LRO: Lucas strikes again!!

> Had to smile when watching the Le Mans race the other week on Speedvision
> and the new MG racecar had to pull out with electrical problems. Lucas
> strikes again ;-)
>
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:54:10 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Busch Gardens

can someone explain Busch Gardens for an iggerant limey please?

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Busch Gardens

> Interesting!!  Don't think it was because of speed as they were special
> trucks.  Seem to remember they only had low/low range gearing and couldn't
> exceed 10mph.  The Klump's idea sounds like a logical assumption for the
> roll over.  Can you imagine 5,000lbs on one side as far outboard as they
> could get it.
>
> Aloha
> Peter O
>
> >From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >To: "Land Rover Owner Net" <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: LRO: Busch Gardens
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:53:11 -0400
> >
> >See where they rolled one of the new Land Rover Safaris at Busch Garden
> >today.
> >
> >No details yet.
> >
> >Larry Smith
> >Chester, VA
> >
>
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