Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #420

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:05:33 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, June 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 420

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:49:04 -0700
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Ex MOD 110 manual question

>I am the new proud owner of an ex MOD 110 2.5D rolling chassis, and am now
>trying to hunt down the correct manual for it.  Basically, the end product
>is intended to be a Series 2 on the outside, 110 2.5 on the inside, with the
>electrickery being done by myself and a local electrical guru I know.

Congratulations, sympathies, and cool plan....in whatever order you 
care to have those.

Gerry

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:00:09 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Painless Wiring (Re: Re: Ex MOD 110 question-re:wiring)

> Call Summit Racing in Ohio and get a kit from Painless Wiring. It's about
> about $250 for a generic kit, $280 if you want 4 extra cicuits.
> It includes a blade-style fuse panel, and wiring looms that accept more
> things than even the nicest 110 requires - which means plenty of extra
space
> for lights, CB, vibrating mattress, coffee maker...

http://www.painlesswiring.com/
I love their products.  I wish I had just purchased their harness instead of
building my own.  I did get 2 of their 7 circut waterproof fuse blocks and I
love em.
If you are thinking about redoing a system and don't care about being
concourse(sp) correct I would highly recomend their stuff.

Have a question about lights.  Instead of having the hi beam switch select
between hi and low beam why not just have it turn the hi beam on or off,
without effecting the low beam.  I know that it is possible to wire it up
this way, so the low beam stays on when the hi beams come up, but is it bad
to do?

Pete

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:57:27 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Painless Wiring & light ?

....Nope...it's not bad to do...in fact Painless sells relay kits thst do
just that (although designed for more modern vehicles...GMs I think)...just
be sure to feed power to both high/low thru relays to battery.
I can 2nd the endorsement re: Painless products...
Pete, did you know that the Painless 7 circuit fuse block uses Packard
Electric stackable 4 fuse plastic modules?...you can obtain add-on modules
from NAPA as Echlin parts, snap it onto the 7 circuit and increase it
ad-infinitum!

JT/ric

Have a question about lights.  Instead of having the hi beam switch select
between hi and low beam why not just have it turn the hi beam on or off,
without effecting the low beam.  I know that it is possible to wire it up
this way, so the low beam stays on when the hi beams come up, but is it bad
to do?

Pete

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:59:23 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Painless Wiring 

...oh yeah, Jegs.com has the Painless items on their website...better prices
and stock than Summit too...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:14:55 -0400
From: "Bill Fishel" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

Russ
They were left bare. I probably have looked at more than 2 
but with paint unless I asked I wouldn't realize they had been
galvanized. The only thing really noticeable is the door post 
and top of the bulkhead below the window from outside.
Inside is a different story.
Bill Fishel

- ----------
> From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:11 PM
> 
> Were they left "bare" or painted?
> 
> >Russ
> >I've seen 2 Rovers with galvanized bulkheads and they
> >both made me jealous I didn't do mine when I had the
> >chance.
> >Bill Fishel

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:42:53 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Painless Wiring & light ?

> ....Nope...it's not bad to do...in fact Painless sells relay kits thst do
> just that (although designed for more modern vehicles...GMs I
think)...just
> be sure to feed power to both high/low thru relays to battery.

I have all lights on relays, 1 for low, 1 for hi, 1 for fogs, 1 for off road
driving, 1 for roof rack forward, 1 for roof reverse, plus relay for the
electric fan.
Pretty complex electrical system, but it's all on seperate fuses and 12gauge
wire so I am hoping it's pretty bullet proof.

> I can 2nd the endorsement re: Painless products...
> Pete, did you know that the Painless 7 circuit fuse block uses Packard
> Electric stackable 4 fuse plastic modules?...

Didn't know who made em, but knew about the expandability.  Think it's
great.  I have the fuse blocks, and relays on the upper edge of the
bulkhead, just above the heater.  It's as far away from the heat and as high
as possible while still in the engine compartment.  I still want to make
some sort of a splash guard for it though.

Pete

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:49:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painless Wiring (Re: Re: Ex MOD 110 question-re:wiring)

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Hope Peter wrote:

:
:Have a question about lights.  Instead of having the hi beam switch select
:between hi and low beam why not just have it turn the hi beam on or off,
:without effecting the low beam.  I know that it is possible to wire it up
:this way, so the low beam stays on when the hi beams come up, but is it bad
:to do?

Heat is one concern I'd have.  One neat trick I've seen on some jeeps have
is a switch to turn one high beam on, leaving the other on low.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:50:49 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: instrument panel

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:01:47 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: instrument panel

>So while I'm at it, does anyone have any good suggestions of something else
to add.  I don't want to make this look like the panel on a F-117 but I was
thinking about also adding a vacuum gauge and an hour clock.

In my never-to-be-humble opinion, there are only five instruments 
really necessary in a Series.  These are tach, manifold pressure, 
oil pressure, water temperature, and fuel level.  Anything 
else is nice to have, but not really relevant.  You'll know if 
your electrics are working by how the engine sounds when 
it cranks over, how the lights dim, etc.  A speedometer is 
irrelevant, and the odometer is useful only for timing oil 
changes.  However, I have neither in my SIII, and simply 
change the oil when it starts looking dirty.  But the two 
instruments I monitor constantly while driving are the tach 
and the manifold pressure gauge.  The tach, of course, 
tells you how you're doing in relation to the maximum 
rpm of the engine.  With a redline of only 4,250 rpm, 
it is very easy to find yourself running at only a few 
hundred rpm below that to keep up with traffic.  I have 
made it a policy in the last 28 years to never run 
above 3,000 rpm outside of the occasional venture 
above that when pulling into traffic, and have enjoyed 
28 years of almost trouble-free engine performance.

The manifold pressure gauge is just as critical, because 
it tells you how hard the engine is working.  This is extremely 
important today if you are running a stock engine on unleaded 
fuel. One of the main contributors to valve seat erosion is heat, 
and the harder you work the engine, the more heat is generated.  
A tach alone won't tell you this, because you can work an engine 
very hard at a relatively low rpm.  A manifold pressure gauge is 
the only way to know how hard the engine is having to work, and 
when it's time to shift to a lower gear and a higher rpm to reduce 
heat and pressure.

___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:01:39 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

I saw a bare galv'd bulkhead in Oregon, I want to say it was on a Series I
but am not sure.  Like Bill said, the door posts look funny but overall I
think a galv'd bulkhead would be a fantastic addition to any Series Truck.
And yes, I have heard nightmare stories about warpage when hot dipping these
things.

Rich
'60 SII 109 SW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Fishel <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

Russ
They were left bare. I probably have looked at more than 2
but with paint unless I asked I wouldn't realize they had been
galvanized. The only thing really noticeable is the door post
and top of the bulkhead below the window from outside.
Inside is a different story.
Bill Fishel

- ----------
> From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:11 PM
>
> Were they left "bare" or painted?
>
> >Russ
> >I've seen 2 Rovers with galvanized bulkheads and they
> >both made me jealous I didn't do mine when I had the
> >chance.
> >Bill Fishel

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:05:55 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: instrument panel

Marin,

I was waiting for you to chime in.  Thanks!

Rich
'60 Series II 109 sw

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Faure, Marin <[email-masked]>
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: LRO: Re: instrument panel

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:01:47 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: instrument panel

>So while I'm at it, does anyone have any good suggestions of something else
to add.  I don't want to make this look like the panel on a F-117 but I was
thinking about also adding a vacuum gauge and an hour clock.

In my never-to-be-humble opinion, there are only five instruments
really necessary in a Series.  These are tach, manifold pressure,
oil pressure, water temperature, and fuel level.  Anything
else is nice to have, but not really relevant.  You'll know if
your electrics are working by how the engine sounds when
it cranks over, how the lights dim, etc.  A speedometer is
irrelevant, and the odometer is useful only for timing oil
changes.  However, I have neither in my SIII, and simply
change the oil when it starts looking dirty.  But the two
instruments I monitor constantly while driving are the tach
and the manifold pressure gauge.  The tach, of course,
tells you how you're doing in relation to the maximum
rpm of the engine.  With a redline of only 4,250 rpm,
it is very easy to find yourself running at only a few
hundred rpm below that to keep up with traffic.  I have
made it a policy in the last 28 years to never run
above 3,000 rpm outside of the occasional venture
above that when pulling into traffic, and have enjoyed
28 years of almost trouble-free engine performance.

The manifold pressure gauge is just as critical, because
it tells you how hard the engine is working.  This is extremely
important today if you are running a stock engine on unleaded
fuel. One of the main contributors to valve seat erosion is heat,
and the harder you work the engine, the more heat is generated.
A tach alone won't tell you this, because you can work an engine
very hard at a relatively low rpm.  A manifold pressure gauge is
the only way to know how hard the engine is having to work, and
when it's time to shift to a lower gear and a higher rpm to reduce
heat and pressure.

___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:53:34 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: GPS and Speed

Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:40:50 -0400
From: Nick Danger <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: GPS and Speed

>So, on my ride home I had a quick (1 exit) stint on the highway and I got 
59.9 mph it read as max (averaged about 58 on the highway) This is a 72 
Series III with a Superwich overdrive. It wasnt floored but I dont suspect I 
had much more to go. This sound about right to everyone? Not worried, Im 
satisified but Im curious if this seems about right!

At 3,000 rpm with 7.00X15 tires, I get just about 55 mph in fourth gear, 
Fairey overdrive engaged.  So your readings sound like they're in the 
ballpark.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:34:55 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

Everyone keeps talking about 'nightmare' warpage in galvanizing a bulkhead.  
In all the years that I've been on the list, haven't heard of anyone who 
actually had one warp.  Everyone that has done it has been happy, that I 
remember reading about.  Is this 'nightmare' warping just that, a nightmare. 
  If so lets put it in th closet with all the other discredited theories 
like axles as a shear pin in the drive train and all the other imaginary 
monsters.

The only warpage I've ever heard of was one that was run over by a forklift 
at the galvanizer's, by the way.

Someone was speculating that the naked galvanized bulkhead wouldn't look 
good with red panels on their truck.  Might I suggest that the naked 
bulkhead would look great with naked panels.  A naked finish is extremely 
durable, doesn't show scratches, and the price is right.  Why paint a series 
truck??

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:01:39 -0700
>
>I saw a bare galv'd bulkhead in Oregon, I want to say it was on a Series I
>but am not sure.  Like Bill said, the door posts look funny but overall I
>think a galv'd bulkhead would be a fantastic addition to any Series Truck.
>And yes, I have heard nightmare stories about warpage when hot dipping 
>these
>things.
>
>Rich
>'60 SII 109 SW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Fishel <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:14 PM
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
>
>
>Russ
>They were left bare. I probably have looked at more than 2
>but with paint unless I asked I wouldn't realize they had been
>galvanized. The only thing really noticeable is the door post
>and top of the bulkhead below the window from outside.
>Inside is a different story.
>Bill Fishel
>
>----------
> > From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
> > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:11 PM
> >
> > Were they left "bare" or painted?
> >
> > >Russ
> > >I've seen 2 Rovers with galvanized bulkheads and they
> > >both made me jealous I didn't do mine when I had the
> > >chance.
> > >Bill Fishel
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:35:53 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painless Wiring (Re: Re: Ex MOD 110 question-re:wiring)

- --=====================_5786904==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Hey,

I'm, new here  (i'll post into later)  but I wouldn't use a painless if it 
was given to me.  check out www.wire-works.com

a bit more (their "basic" kit is like $275, fine for most 4wd's), but much 
better design

as for the lights, what I wanna see is a 3-way light, low/high/offroad

Joe

At 07:00 AM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:
> > Call Summit Racing in Ohio and get a kit from Painless Wiring. It's about
> > about $250 for a generic kit, $280 if you want 4 extra cicuits.
> > It includes a blade-style fuse panel, and wiring looms that accept more
> > things than even the nicest 110 requires - which means plenty of extra
>space
> > for lights, CB, vibrating mattress, coffee maker...
>
>http://www.painlesswiring.com/
>I love their products.  I wish I had just purchased their harness instead of
>building my own.  I did get 2 of their 7 circut waterproof fuse blocks and I
>love em.
>If you are thinking about redoing a system and don't care about being
>concourse(sp) correct I would highly recomend their stuff.
>
>Have a question about lights.  Instead of having the hi beam switch select
>between hi and low beam why not just have it turn the hi beam on or off,
>without effecting the low beam.  I know that it is possible to wire it up
>this way, so the low beam stays on when the hi beams come up, but is it bad
>to do?
>
>Pete

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

- --=====================_5786904==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

<html>
Hey, <br><br>
I'm, new here&nbsp; (i'll post into later)&nbsp; but I wouldn't use a
painless if it was given to me.&nbsp; check out
<a href="http://www.wire-works.com/" eudora="autourl">www.wire-works.com</a>
<br><br>
a bit more (their &quot;basic&quot; kit is like $275, fine for most 4wd's), but much better design<br><br>
as for the lights, what I wanna see is a 3-way light, low/high/offroad<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 07:00 AM 6/27/2001 -1000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt; Call Summit Racing in Ohio and get a kit from Painless Wiring. It's about<br>
&gt; about $250 for a generic kit, $280 if you want 4 extra cicuits.<br>
&gt; It includes a blade-style fuse panel, and wiring looms that accept more<br>
&gt; things than even the nicest 110 requires - which means plenty of extra<br>
space<br>
&gt; for lights, CB, vibrating mattress, coffee maker...<br><br>
<a href="http://www.painlesswiring.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.painlesswiring.com/</a><br>
I love their products.&nbsp; I wish I had just purchased their harness instead of<br>
building my own.&nbsp; I did get 2 of their 7 circut waterproof fuse blocks and I<br>
love em.<br>
If you are thinking about redoing a system and don't care about being<br>
concourse(sp) correct I would highly recomend their stuff.<br><br>
Have a question about lights.&nbsp; Instead of having the hi beam switch select<br>
between hi and low beam why not just have it turn the hi beam on or off,<br>
without effecting the low beam.&nbsp; I know that it is possible to wire it up<br>
this way, so the low beam stays on when the hi beams come up, but is it bad<br>
to do?<br><br>
Pete</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; <a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font> <br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
<br>
</html>

- --=====================_5786904==_.ALT--

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:46:58 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

I agree.  I would like to galvy my bulkhead when I have the time to take
everything down to the bone.  that and the frame... not sure when that
project would ever happen.

Matt Peckham
74 Lightweight.
        _____
  ||===|||  | \ 
 _||___|||__|__\_{EE}_
 |  ____         ____ \
 | /    \       /    \|)
[||( () )\_____|( () )[ ]
~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~

www.crossmember.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ogilvie [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:35 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

Everyone keeps talking about 'nightmare' warpage in galvanizing a bulkhead.

In all the years that I've been on the list, haven't heard of anyone who 
actually had one warp.  Everyone that has done it has been happy, that I 
remember reading about.  Is this 'nightmare' warping just that, a nightmare.

  If so lets put it in th closet with all the other discredited theories 
like axles as a shear pin in the drive train and all the other imaginary 
monsters.

The only warpage I've ever heard of was one that was run over by a forklift 
at the galvanizer's, by the way.

Someone was speculating that the naked galvanized bulkhead wouldn't look 
good with red panels on their truck.  Might I suggest that the naked 
bulkhead would look great with naked panels.  A naked finish is extremely 
durable, doesn't show scratches, and the price is right.  Why paint a series

truck??

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:01:39 -0700
>
>I saw a bare galv'd bulkhead in Oregon, I want to say it was on a Series I
>but am not sure.  Like Bill said, the door posts look funny but overall I
>think a galv'd bulkhead would be a fantastic addition to any Series Truck.
>And yes, I have heard nightmare stories about warpage when hot dipping 
>these
>things.
>
>Rich
>'60 SII 109 SW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Fishel <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:14 PM
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
>
>
>Russ
>They were left bare. I probably have looked at more than 2
>but with paint unless I asked I wouldn't realize they had been
>galvanized. The only thing really noticeable is the door post
>and top of the bulkhead below the window from outside.
>Inside is a different story.
>Bill Fishel
>
>----------
> > From: Russ Wilson <[email-masked]>
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint
> > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:11 PM
> >
> > Were they left "bare" or painted?
> >
> > >Russ
> > >I've seen 2 Rovers with galvanized bulkheads and they
> > >both made me jealous I didn't do mine when I had the
> > >chance.
> > >Bill Fishel
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:37:36 -0600
From: Joseph S Dufresne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: LRO dead?

- --=====================_6686921==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

My request to s*bscribe bounce 4 times, and I couldn't get list web page to 
load

Joe

At 07:39 AM 6/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I haven't received any messages since the 22nd.  Is there a problem with the
>LRO list or is it my end?
>
>Kirk

Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950; 
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter  Recruitment officer for Smoking 
Scouts.

"It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand"

- --=====================_6686921==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

<html>
My request to s*bscribe bounce 4 times, and I couldn't get list web page
to load<br><br>
Joe<br><br>
At 07:39 AM 6/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I haven't received any messages
since the 22nd.&nbsp; Is there a problem with the<br>
LRO list or is it my end?<br><br>
Kirk</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Joe Dufresne, [email-masked]; ICQ# 25751950;
<a href="http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad/</a></u></font>
<br>
78 SSII; Smoking Scouts, Rocky Mtn chapter&nbsp; Recruitment officer for Smoking Scouts. <br><br>
&quot;It's a farm implement thing, you wouldn't understand&quot;<br><br>
<br>
</html>

- --=====================_6686921==_.ALT--

------------------------------

Date: 27 Jun 2001 13:00:55 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: galvie / paint

On Wed, 27 June 2001, "Peter Ogilvie" wrote:

>this 'nightmare' warping just that, a >nightmare. 
>If so lets put it in th closet with >all the other discredited theories 
>like axles as a shear pin in the drive >train and all the other imaginary 
> monsters.
 
"I knew this guy that sheared the axle so hard on his 88 the bulkhead warped."  and other bed time stories:)

Bryan
62 88
70 109 with soon to be galvanized bh.

________________________________________________
PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart. 
http://www.peoplepc.com 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:17:28 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: RE: Painless Wiring & light ?

Pete, 

I used the generous wire lengths of the Painless 7 cir. fuse block to mount
my fuse panel on the dash, ala modern Range Rovers for easier access (don't
you just love a IIA dash)...thus I didn't really need the weatherproof
feature, but it won't hurt none either.  I made a cheap&simple junction box
from a plastic traveling bar-of-soap box...drilled and installed grommets
either side for wire-ways and mounted it in the same location on the engine
side of the bulkhead as the original LR fuse block.  By terminating the
Painless leads in opposite-gender terminals to those of the new LR main
harness leads that go to the LR fuse block, this arrangement is completely
reversible and keeps the factory wiring diagram intact, except for the new
branch to the Painless fuse block abd on to various LR functions and
accessories.  For those cirsuits, I also use a Painless roll-bar mount
6-switch box for various accessories, much like you do your light circuits.

You might check to see if Painless sells just their naked switch
boxes...would make a nice splash box...or be creative and use something
unique...hhmm...how about one of those plastic 'bottle' containers for
welding rod, for instance?...grommet in the top and bottom for
wires...suitable plate for relay mounting and slip it all inside...zip tie
it anywhere!

JT/ric

Didn't know who made em, but knew about the expandability.  Think it's
great.  I have the fuse blocks, and relays on the upper edge of the
bulkhead, just above the heater.  It's as far away from the heat and as high
as possible while still in the engine compartment.  I still want to make
some sort of a splash guard for it though.

Pete

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:37:48 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Painless Wiring (Re: Re: Ex MOD 110 question-re:wiring)

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FF49.077138D0
Content-Type: text/plain

...took a look...they have the exact IIA high/low beam dipper switch (DS-2
$10) and the Painless/Packard 4 fuse modules (AB-4 $11)
some nice and useful stuff here...thanks for the tip Joe...
 
JT/ric

Hey, 

I'm, new here  (i'll post into later)  but I wouldn't use a painless if it
was given to me.  check out www.wire-works.com <http://www.wire-works.com/>

a bit more (their "basic" kit is like $275, fine for most 4wd's), but much
better design

as for the lights, what I wanna see is a 3-way light, low/high/offroad

Joe

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FF49.077138D0
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">

<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D968243420-27062001>...took a look...they have the exact IIA =
high/low beam=20
dipper switch (DS-2&nbsp; $10) and the Painless/Packard 4 fuse modules =
(AB-4=20
$11)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D968243420-27062001>some=20
nice and useful stuff here...thanks for the tip =
Joe...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D968243420-27062001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D968243420-27062001>JT/ric</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D968243420-27062001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D968243420-27062001>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>Hey, <BR><BR>I'm, new =
here&nbsp;=20
  (i'll post into later)&nbsp; but I wouldn't use a painless if it was =
given to=20
  me.&nbsp; check out <A href=3D"http://www.wire-works.com/"=20
  eudora=3D"autourl">www.wire-works.com</A> <BR><BR>a bit more (their =
"basic" kit=20
  is like $275, fine for most 4wd's), but much better design<BR><BR>as =
for the=20
  lights, what I wanna see is a 3-way light,=20
low/high/offroad<BR><BR>Joe<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FF49.077138D0--

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:53:11 -0400
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Busch Gardens

See where they rolled one of the new Land Rover Safaris at Busch Garden
today.

No details yet.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:02:25 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Busch Gardens

could it be that they had 16 people in it?  Imagine a bunch of fat american
tourists leaning to one side of a Defender.  I think it finally said mercy!

Nutty Professor III: The Clumps go to Disneyland.

Matt Peckham
74 Lightweight.
        _____
  ||===|||  | \ 
 _||___|||__|__\_{EE}_
 |  ____         ____ \
 | /    \       /    \|)
[||( () )\_____|( () )[ ]
~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~

www.crossmember.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Smith [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:53 PM
To: Land Rover Owner Net
Subject: LRO: Busch Gardens

See where they rolled one of the new Land Rover Safaris at Busch Garden
today.

No details yet.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:52:37 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: *LRO lists are back....

>I picked up the box today, modified the DNS for it, and it is now hanging
>off my DSL line at home, at least until I get things moved over to the
>the new SunBlade 100, which has been burned in now and is sitting in a
>cage somewhere else.
>
>Cheers,
>	-Bill		[email-masked]

Whatever that means ;-)

Thanks Bill. We all appreciate the time and effort you put into this list 
for us.

Niall Forbes-Sunblade 100?? Is that a skateboard or something? ;-)
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:55:12 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Lucas strikes again!!

Had to smile when watching the Le Mans race the other week on Speedvision 
and the new MG racecar had to pull out with electrical problems. Lucas 
strikes again ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:58:00 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Busch Gardens

Interesting!!  Don't think it was because of speed as they were special 
trucks.  Seem to remember they only had low/low range gearing and couldn't 
exceed 10mph.  The Klump's idea sounds like a logical assumption for the 
roll over.  Can you imagine 5,000lbs on one side as far outboard as they 
could get it.

Aloha
Peter O

>From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "Land Rover Owner Net" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: Busch Gardens
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:53:11 -0400
>
>See where they rolled one of the new Land Rover Safaris at Busch Garden
>today.
>
>No details yet.
>
>Larry Smith
>Chester, VA
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:18:44 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Busch Gardens

You can read about it at http://www.sptimes.com. I've been on the ride a
couple times, and where they describe the accident happening isn't where
they lean the truck. The girl who seems to be hurt the worst feels the
driver was at fault. Apparently hit the throttle and yanked the wheel at
the same time. They do that for effect, to through the passengers around
a bit. I just don't get it since I recall it being pretty level where
the accedent occured.

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> Interesting!!  Don't think it was because of speed as they were special
> trucks.  Seem to remember they only had low/low range gearing and couldn't
> exceed 10mph.  The Klump's idea sounds like a logical assumption for the
> roll over.  Can you imagine 5,000lbs on one side as far outboard as they
> could get it.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:15:15 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Lucas strikes again!!

At 21:55 27/06/01 +0000, N Forbes, wrote
>Had to smile when watching the Le Mans race the other week on Speedvision 
>and the new MG racecar had to pull out with electrical problems. Lucas 
>strikes again ;-)

The same thought struck me when I saw it.  What I want to know is, is MG's 
and Bentley's can look like spaceships and enter Le Mans then why can't 
Land Rover?

I managed to tape the movie Le Mans right after the race.  I'd never seen 
it before.  One hell of a bunch of excellent photography but the script 
writer didn't have much to do.

				Rick Grant

Rick Grant Communications
International Media and Crisis Management
Calgary - Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:01:49 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: instrument panel

A stereo and speakers.

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> 
> I started out thinking about adding a tach to the instrument panel.  Then I
> got to thinking that the main center panel and the two addition panels to
> the left of the h20/oil gauge and turn indicator switch might look better on
> one single panel so I am in the process of experimenting with a custom
> setup.
> 
> So while I'm at it, does anyone have any good suggestions of something else
> to add.  I don't want to make this look like the panel on a F-117 but I was
> thinking about also adding a vacuum gauge and an hour clock.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rich
> '60 SII 109 SW

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:11:25 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: instrument panel

Check and double check

Rich
'60 Series II 109 sw

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hall <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: instrument panel

A stereo and speakers.

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
>
> I started out thinking about adding a tach to the instrument panel.  Then
I
> got to thinking that the main center panel and the two addition panels to
> the left of the h20/oil gauge and turn indicator switch might look better
on
> one single panel so I am in the process of experimenting with a custom
> setup.
>
> So while I'm at it, does anyone have any good suggestions of something
else
> to add.  I don't want to make this look like the panel on a F-117 but I
was
> thinking about also adding a vacuum gauge and an hour clock.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
> '60 SII 109 SW

- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:40:17 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Lucas strikes again!!

>I managed to tape the movie Le Mans right after the race.  I'd never seen
>it before.  One hell of a bunch of excellent photography but the script
>writer didn't have much to do.

You can say that again. Did you spot the LR in the film. It's way in the 
background in one of the shots. My favourite part of the movie is before the 
race starts when he drives along the road and pulls over in his 911. I love 
the sound of those engines.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:41:54 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Lucas strikes again!!

speaking of lucas... i am fortunate enough to have parents that both used to 
own mid 60s british sports convertibles, my dad a 1967? triumph TR3A, and my 
mom an MGB.  our dinner table conversation revolves around stories of crazy 
lucas electrics.  if my dad had to blow the horn while the AM radio was on, 
the radio would turn off until he stopped blowing the horn.  similar 
circumstances with my moms MGB, out the clutch in, headlights go out.  she 
described a few close calls involving downshifting going around a corner at 
night!

adam

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:08:20 -0400
From: "Robert McCullough" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: where are you?

hey jim, no problems here

------------------------------

Date: 27 Jun 2001 18:05:01 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: *LRO lists are back....

On Wed, 27 June 2001, "N Forbes" wrote:

>Niall Forbes-Sunblade 100?? Is that a >skateboard or something? ;-)

Well, it's good to know that in some way, some how, the LRO list is in a cage somewhere.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

________________________________________________
PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart. 
http://www.peoplepc.com 

------------------------------

End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #420
**********************************************