Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #415

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:32:50 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, June 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 415

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:07:46 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

>Alan be nice..... or I won't share my Yukon Jack with you :-)

Please don't - that stuff is insidious....

>On another note..... How is Mr. Churchill's chassis project going?

Slowly. It's all cleaned up, and the damage from a 20-odd years either
holding up your barn or the Canadian Army's storage racks has been welded
up. New bushings are in, and I await the shipment of a single-part epoxy
galvanizing paint.

This is ome interesting stuff - leaves a dry film of 95% zinc and exhibits
all the mechanical and electrical characterisrtics of hot dip. I'm going to
do Mr. C to see how the stuff goes, then if it's good I'll likely complete
the paperwork to become a dealer in it.

It looks like the perfect option for those like me who simply can't get
things hot-dipped - and it can be applied in less-than-ideal conditions. It
does require clean metal, though - which is a laborious pain on something
the size of a 109 chassis.

                    ajr

Bruce F.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:05:29 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: French car

Lonn Howard wrote:

> I bought a 1971 Citroen DS21.  Am I sick?  Do I need therapy?

No. But you need cash, if suspension parts needs replacement. :-)

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:11:57 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: French car

Yes.  How could you do something like own a late model Saab convertible??

>>> [email-masked] 06/18/01 09:06PM >>>
I bought a 1971 Citroen DS21.  Am I sick?  Do I need therapy?

anon
109 V8
RR County
Saab Turbo 'vert

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:45:53 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: cleaning sensors

Any suggestions for the best way to clean an oil pressure sender (for the 
light) without destroying anything? Solvents of choice?

Keith
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:59:45 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: No Subject

In a message dated 6/15/01 11:17:47 PM, [email-masked] writes:

<< I have been told that if you put her in four wheel drive with out the hubs

being engaged you can damage the transfer case

Pete >>

Pete    
    Only if you try to tow something.

Bill
GBR

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:27:20 -0500
From: Lee Dunkelberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: FW: Freelander "Heritage"

Below, you'll see Land Rover history LRNA style.

Ahem.

\-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2001 07:54
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Freelander "Heritage"

   Thank you for contacting our office.  We appreciate your kind words.
Land Rover's heritage in the United States features the Range Rover,
Defender, Discovery and, in early 2002, the Freelander models.  The Land
Rover Series vehicles were not included as they were not distributed by Land
Rover North America.   We again appreciate your interest in Land Rover.  If
you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to let
us know.

  Thank you,

  Land Rover Owner Relations

  [email-masked]
  06/13/2001 09:43 AM AST

  To: [email-masked]
  cc:
  bcc:
  Subject: Freelander "Heritage"

  VIN: SALDV2286RA944046

  A quote from
http://www.freelander.com/content/freelander/freelander_heritage.jsp
  "In 1948, Land Rover was begun with a simple idea:  build a "go anywhere,
do anything" vehicle that would capture the world's imagination.  That first
vehicle -- now known as the DEFENDER (emphasis added) -- accomplished its
mission."

  Ahem.
  I am a proud Defender (and Range Rover LWB) owner, and I don't think the
line goes back that far.
  I can understand not wanting to admit Land Rover started with a J**p
chasis.  However, why skip all the legendary Series vehicles?

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  Send response by email.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:23:17 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: FW: Freelander "Heritage"

Hi All--

Lee Dunkelberg wrote:
> 
> Below, you'll see Land Rover history LRNA style.
> 
> Ahem.
> 
> \-----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked]
> [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2001 07:54
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Freelander "Heritage"
> 
>    Thank you for contacting our office.  We appreciate your kind words.
> Land Rover's heritage in the United States features the Range Rover,
> Defender, Discovery and, in early 2002, the Freelander models.  The Land
> Rover Series vehicles were not included as they were not distributed by Land
> Rover North America.  

So, who distributed series vehicles before LRNA, and when did LRNA come
into being?

> We again appreciate your interest in Land Rover.  If
> you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to let
> us know.
> 

Do we always get five pounds of verbiage for every ounce of fact?

<send-it-in-a-20-pound-sack>-ly y'rs,
Ivan
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:28:08 -0700
From: "Ben Mitchell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 101 Sighting

OK, normally not big on the whole "sightings" thing but...

I attended my college reunion in New Hampshire over the weekend and was
heading down 89 to Boston on Sunday afternoon.  I about gave myself whiplash
turning my head when I realized that I had just passed a 101FC heading the
opposite direction, towing what appeared to be (150 yards away, 140 MPH
relative passing speed) one of the even rarer PTO driven trailers.

That's gotta be someone on this list...

- -Ben

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:35:46 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: 101 Sighting

I think they were returning from the Larz Anderson Museum of Transportation
Land Rover Day on Sunday.... wait, that was the sunday before...  hmmm...
don't have a clue..

Matt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben Mitchell [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:28 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: 101 Sighting

OK, normally not big on the whole "sightings" thing but...

I attended my college reunion in New Hampshire over the weekend and was
heading down 89 to Boston on Sunday afternoon.  I about gave myself whiplash
turning my head when I realized that I had just passed a 101FC heading the
opposite direction, towing what appeared to be (150 yards away, 140 MPH
relative passing speed) one of the even rarer PTO driven trailers.

That's gotta be someone on this list...

- -Ben

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:42:23 -0400
From: Keith Elliott <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: RE: 101 Sighting

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Could it be someone heading up the the BP? I hope so, love seeing the 101
out playing in the mud.

Keith

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From: Matt Peckham [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:36 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: RE: 101 Sighting

I think they were returning from the Larz Anderson Museum of Transportation
Land Rover Day on Sunday.... wait, that was the sunday before...  hmmm...
don't have a clue..

Matt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben Mitchell [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:28 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: 101 Sighting

OK, normally not big on the whole "sightings" thing but...

I attended my college reunion in New Hampshire over the weekend and was
heading down 89 to Boston on Sunday afternoon.  I about gave myself whiplash
turning my head when I realized that I had just passed a 101FC heading the
opposite direction, towing what appeared to be (150 yards away, 140 MPH
relative passing speed) one of the even rarer PTO driven trailers.

That's gotta be someone on this list...

- -Ben

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Could it be someone heading up the the BP? I hope so, love seeing the 101 out playing in the mud.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>relative passing speed) one of the even rarer PTO driven trailers.</FONT>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:59:33 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: cleaning sensors

Any suggestions for the best way to clean an oil pressure sender (for the
light) without destroying anything? Solvents of choice?

I wouldn't - replace it. If it's flunky it will either:

a) fail on
b) worse, fail off
c) much worse - fail and blow oil all over Hell.

Sensors are cheap and vital to the car's health...and from the sound of
this one I don't think cleaning is going to do it any good - sounds like
the diaphragm is failing.

                    ajr

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:15:50 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Royle Family (was Freewheel Hubs)

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:34:43 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Freewheel hubs

Marin writes:>>>By the way, to see the absolute 
>> ultimate in laziness, watch "The Royle Family" on BBC or BBC America).<<<

>isn't that brilliant!
What series are you on over there, has the baby arrived?

I did not get into the show for awhile, so I'm now watching it 
in re-runs.  In the latest show I've seen, the baby is very 
close to arriving, but not there yet.  But I've seen promos 
for the shows with the baby.

I'm delighted to see the actor who played Onslo in 
"Keeping Up Appearances" is back and doing well.  In 
fact in this show, they give him a lot more to say and 
do, which is great.  It was also interesting to see the 
actress who plays the grandmother "Nan."  The only 
other time I've seen her was as the village oddball on 
"Vicar of Dibley."  She "died" on that show, so I  
assumed she actually did die (like so many of the actors on 
Bally K).  But assuming "Royle Family" is post-Vicar of 
Dibley, I guess she's still going strong.  And isn't the 
family friend (woman) from "Eastenders?"  But the writing, 
timing, and acting in "Royle Family" is some of the best I've 
ever seen.  In my opinion, acting like a genuinely real (and 
shallow) person is the hardest acting there is.  Anyone (figuratively 
speaking) can play the bigger-than-life characters; it's the subtleties 
that go into the acting on productions like "Royle Family" that really 
takes skill.

And Frank, in what part of the UK would you say this show is supposed 
to be set?  I'm not all that familiar with the regional accents in the UK, 
but I think I recognize a lot of Midlands in their speech, particularly 
the daughter.  They also say "nowt" for "nothing," which I have always 
assumed is a northern expression, although perhaps it's more universal 
than I think.

Land Rover content: when you watch this show you have to imagine 
the Land Rovers driving by in the street outside the flat.  That's the only 
way you'll ever see them.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:19:37 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: 101 Sighting

Gerald Rudderman should be there in the Vampire. Not sure about Jared 
Silbersher--need to call him later.

jeff
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:20:07 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: French car

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 13001 18:22:41 -0700
From: "Lonn Howard" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: French car

>I bought a 1971 Citroen DS21.  Am I sick?  Do I need therapy?

I'm not that familiar with Citroen models.  Is the DS21 the long, 
slopy, angular one with the adjustable road height?  In the same 
family as the big black Citroen's you used to see on the news 
carrying French government officials in?  If so, I think that's a 
really neat car, assuming you can still get parts and stuff.  If 
the DS21 is the round "deux chevaux," well, I'm not sure 
that's so neat, although it's certainly unique....
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:29:37 -0700
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: FW: Freelander "Heritage"

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At 9:23 AM -0600 6/19/01, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
>
>So, who distributed series vehicles before LRNA, and when did LRNA come
>into being?
>

 From about 1969 ( I think) until they abandoned the Land Rover in the 
US market the importer was British-Leyland.  They imported pretty 
much all the well known British marques.   Ford brought in the 
Cortina,, I think Chrysler brought in the Rootes Group hardware 
(Sunbeam) and as I recall Rollers/Bentleys were still imported 
distinctly.  Specialty stuff like Lotus, Marcos, Elva, Morgan and 
such were imported by tiny organizations usually only handling a 
single marque.  The advent of the Federal "safety standards" 
requiring crash testing economically precluded most of the small 
outfits from continuing in this market.  Thus a large organization 
was needed to deal with the bureaucratic issues.

Prior to the British-Leyland amalgamation, MG, TR, Jags, Austins, 
Morris, et.al. were imported by British Motor Cars.

LRNA did not exist prior in the mid 80s, at least not as an importer 
of anything I cared to buy.

>Do we always get five pounds of verbiage for every ounce of fact?

In the standard accepted industry practice at this point in time, 
yes.  (how'd I do?  A dozen words and one fact.)

G. Mugele
*** "It's not on any map - true places never are."  -- Mark Twain

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At 9:23 AM -0600 6/19/01, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

<excerpt>

So, who distributed series vehicles before LRNA, and when did LRNA
come

into being?

</excerpt>

>From about 1969 ( I think) until they abandoned the Land Rover in the
US market the importer was British-Leyland.  They imported pretty much
all the well known British marques.   Ford brought in the Cortina,, I
think Chrysler brought in the Rootes Group hardware (Sunbeam) and as I
recall Rollers/Bentleys were still imported distinctly.  Specialty
stuff like Lotus, Marcos, Elva, Morgan and such were imported by tiny
organizations usually only handling a single marque.  The advent of the
Federal "safety standards" requiring crash testing economically
precluded most of the small outfits from continuing in this market. 
Thus a large organization was needed to deal with the bureaucratic
issues.

Prior to the British-Leyland amalgamation, MG, TR, Jags, Austins,
Morris, et.al. were imported by British Motor Cars.

LRNA did not exist prior in the mid 80s, at least not as an importer of
anything I cared to buy.

<excerpt>Do we always get five pounds of verbiage for every ounce of
fact?

</excerpt>

In the standard accepted industry practice at this point in time, yes. 
(how'd I do?  A dozen words and one fact.)

G. Mugele

*** <fontfamily><param>Palatino</param><smaller>"It's not on any map -
true places never are."  -- Mark Twain
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:19:11 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: No Subject

As an addition.  You don't want to drive in low range with the front hubs 
unlocked because the extreme low gearing would all be thrown onto the rear 
axle to transfer to the ground.  Depending on the state of your clutch, it 
can be jerky getting started in low range and severely stress the rear axle. 
  With the hubs locked, the stress is at least partially spred between all 4 
wheels.

Don't know if the later full time types would be as forgiving as the series 
part time transfer case.  Wonder how the guy is doing that bought an '88 RR 
only to discover that the front drive shaft was missing??  He was still 
trying to find the seller and find out why the seller had neglected to 
mention the driveshaft's absence or the reason for same, the last time I 
heard.

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: [email-masked]
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: LRO: No Subject
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:59:45 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 6/15/01 11:17:47 PM, [email-masked] writes:
>
><< I have been told that if you put her in four wheel drive with out the 
>hubs
>
>being engaged you can damage the transfer case
>
>Pete >>
>
>Pete
>     Only if you try to tow something.
>
>Bill
>GBR

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:44:30 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: FW: Freelander "Heritage"

Hi All--

"G. Mugele" wrote:
> 
>      Do we always get five pounds of verbiage for every ounce of fact?
> 
> In the standard accepted industry practice at this point in time, yes. (how'd I do? A dozen words and one fact.)
> 

Pretty good, although the "yes" was in the clear and not obfuscated;-)

> G. Mugele
> *** "It's not on any map - true places never are." -- Mark Twain

Jeez.  Where'd he say that?

<damn;-one-i-missed!>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:44:53 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

Clean metal is easily handled with a sand blaster.  Of course you end up 
with sand in everything within a 100 yards.  Hardest part is brush painting 
the frame.  Seems it took nearly a day to paint just the rear half of the 
frame with POR.  Can't believe how many nooks and crannies that take forever 
to cover in paint.  Another problem is getting compleat coverage.  Even went 
to the trouble of using different colors
for each coat and still missed covering in a number of out of the way 
places.

I've got the same problem as you with getting things galvanized.  Shipping 
would excede the new price of most of the pieces.  Keep us informed as to 
how the stuff works.  Zinc content means little if the stuff isn't bonded to 
the metal.  Beauty of galvanizing is that it supposed makes a chemical bond 
between the steel and zinc so doesn't exfoliate and is self healing, to an 
extent.  A long term survivability test of the material is essential data.  
Suggest you paint a couple of scrap pieces and then spray them with salt 
water solutions on a daily basis, leave fertilizer or other corrosive 
materials on some peices, and purposely scratch some pieces to bare metal to 
see how the pieces react to the above abuse.

POR is great stuff and sticks tenaciously but my concern is how the stuff 
will react when its nicked.  Will it contain the rust to the nicked area or 
will the rust continue under the surface hidden and protected by the super 
tough POR paint film??  In defence of POR, its nearly impossible to scratch. 
  Outer paint coat on the rear crossmember was non UV reactive RustOleum.  
Had a hard time getting the tub to fit properly so kept trying to move it 
around, banging on things, etc.  Since I was working by myself, hard to be 
careful and as I got more frustrated, my concern for the paint dropped.  
Ended up scraping off the black outer coat in a number of places but nowhere 
did it scrape through the grey POR undercoat.

>From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:07:46 -0400
>
>
> >Alan be nice..... or I won't share my Yukon Jack with you :-)
>
>Please don't - that stuff is insidious....
>
> >On another note..... How is Mr. Churchill's chassis project going?
>
>Slowly. It's all cleaned up, and the damage from a 20-odd years either
>holding up your barn or the Canadian Army's storage racks has been welded
>up. New bushings are in, and I await the shipment of a single-part epoxy
>galvanizing paint.
>
>This is ome interesting stuff - leaves a dry film of 95% zinc and exhibits
>all the mechanical and electrical characterisrtics of hot dip. I'm going to
>do Mr. C to see how the stuff goes, then if it's good I'll likely complete
>the paperwork to become a dealer in it.
>
>It looks like the perfect option for those like me who simply can't get
>things hot-dipped - and it can be applied in less-than-ideal conditions. It
>does require clean metal, though - which is a laborious pain on something
>the size of a 109 chassis.
>
>                     ajr
>
>Bruce F.
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:03:51 -0400
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Thermostats

"Scott Wickham Jr." <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  I got my rad back from the rad shop.  Verdict:  Not clogged.  But, leaking
>at 3 corners.  In the truck it goes....

>I'm going to run it on the turnpike in a few minutes to see what she does.
 Might >put the thermostat back in and run the same road again.  A friend
said sometimes
>with no thermo the water flows too fast and the truck will overheat.  So,
>I'm off for a test drive.  Cross your fingers ;)

You *need* the thermostat.  Without it (and the blockage it creates) the
coolant will short-circuit the block, with #4 hardly getting any water.
Even if you pull the thermostat, it should be replaced with a suitable
sized metal disc with three 1/4" holes drilled in it.

Cheers

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:13:52 +0200
From: jos de vries <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: French car

Marin,

> >I bought a 1971 Citroen DS21.  Am I sick?  Do I need therapy?
> I'm not that familiar with Citroen models.  Is the DS21 the long,
> slopy, angular one with the adjustable road height?
yep, first build in 1968 IIRC,

>In the same  family as the big black Citroen's you used to see on the news
> carrying French government officials in?  If so, I think that's a
> really neat car, assuming you can still get parts and stuff.
No problem, here in Holland there are a lot of them. (classics don't pay
road-tax)
>the round "deux chevaux," well, I'm not sure
> that's so neat, although it's certainly unique....
If you like land rovers IMHO you must also like the 2CV.

gr JOS

Jos de Vries
Delft, Holland
Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:38:04 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: French car

In article 
<[email-masked]>, 
Marin Faure wrote:
> I'm not that familiar with Citroen models.  Is the DS21 the long, 
> slopy, angular one with the adjustable road height?  In the same 
> family as the big black Citroen's you used to see on the news 
> carrying French government officials in?
>
Thats the one. It started life as the DS19. DS is actually a French 
pun. It is prounounced Dee Ess, which means Goddess in French.

 A later entry level version of the DS was called ID, again a pun. Idee 
means Idea.
 
 In the UK suspension spares for Citroens are not too expensive. A good 
source being a company in Glatton, Cambridgeshire called Pliedes. 
 
 I understand the founder was an aircraft engineer, so he has a 
thorough grounding in high pressure hydraulics!
 
 Paul

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:44:30 -0400
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Land Rover Virus

This could explain the holes in my bodywork! ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001851641145319&rtmo=lzFklAlt&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/01/6/18/wfung18.html

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 05:39:53 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: French Beer

>This comment from someone who pumps 100% French blood in his veins, but had
>to travel to namesake village in the UK to research his lineage & family
>history (...Heugonots who fled France to England long about the 1500s)
>...so, after 4 or 500 years, guess I can consider myself English, roight?)
>
>Long live the Queen...

Now see here Thackery, we simply can't have you jumped up new commers
trying to
put on airs and userp the BRITISH CROWN and way of life.eh. As for this
beer, well
I mean to say it was invented and brewed by a froggy, but only a true Brit
could
ever really appreciate it, what? and at room temperature to boot. Well,
there you are
old man, carry on.
Jim Wolf esq, KGB, ODU, KBM, OBI, LRO etc.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:58:17 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: 1990 Defender info

Date: 18 Jun 2001 14:13:04 -0500
From: george kase <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 1990 Defender info

>Can anyone suggest a source of used parts for a former military
Defender 90, 1990 vintage, as well as manuals or literature? Any mail-lists
for such a vehicle?

If you haven't thought of this already, you might want to pick up a copy of 
Land Rover Owner International magazine or one of the other Land Rover 
magazines and take a look through the ads from the parts suppliers and 
breakers yards in the UK.  I suspect you'll find a number of potential parts 
suppliers for your vehicle in the magazine ads for both new and used parts.  
Land Rover Owner magazine also has a bookstore on the web where they 
sell a number of owners and shop manuals for a variety of Land Rover models.  
It's possible they may have the manuals you require for your vehicle.

Also, there is an LRO mailing list similar to this one that is focused on coil 
spring model Land Rovers (Defender and Discovery- the Range Rover has its 
own list).  You might find additional information that can help you on the coiler 
list.  You subscribe the same way you do to this one.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:04:33 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RR's and getting ready  II

maybe I've missed something here but why are you running your car with a
leaking radiator?

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Wickham Jr. <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:17 AM
Subject: LRO: RR's and getting ready II

>   I got my rad back from the rad shop.  Verdict:  Not clogged.  But,
leaking
> at 3 corners.  In the truck it goes.  While we're filling the rad (I
pulled
> the thermostat by the way.  Might put it back in later) I can see the
water
> flowing out the top tubes inside the rad.  So I'm thinking the water pump
is
> ok.  Bought new rad cap, one extra pound of pressure (up to 16lbs).  Drove
> Lucy up a big, winding hill and the temp gauge is half way between the 2
> little dots and the red.  When I got to the top and drove on the level a
> little it cooled off some, leaning back toward the dots.  I'm going to run
> it on the turnpike in a few minutes to see what she does.  Might put the
> thermostat back in and run the same road again.  A friend said sometimes
> with no thermo the water flows too fast and the truck will overheat.  So,
> I'm off for a test drive.  Cross your fingers ;)
>
> Scooter
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:09:08 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Freewheel hubs

you write re the Royle Family: <<<> They just announced the birth of
Elizabeth last month.  So I think we are
> fairly current.<<<

funny, they called 'him' David in the UK :-)>

btw Caroline Aherne, the co-writer, producer and one of the actors has just
left the UK to live in Australia saying she will never come back. No more
Royle's and no more of her two other brilliant characters (which you may not
have seen over there) Sister Mary Immaculate (a foul-mouthed nun!) and Mrs
Merton (a pensioner chat-show host who insults all her guests)... but also
no more drunken brawls in the streets of Manchester. A flawed comic
genius...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Freewheel hubs

> >>By the way, to see the absolute
> >> ultimate in laziness, watch "The Royle Family" on BBC or BBC
America).<<<
> >
> >isn't that brilliant!
> >What series are you on over there, has the baby arrived?
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:15:12 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: French car

no problem with Citroens. SWMBO has one parked outside the house right now.
Well, it has Citroen badges front and rear and that's who I made the cheque
out to...er... that's it, oh, I went in it once...

wouldn't like to drive it across a ploughed field tho'
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: French car

> Are you kidding?  There's not one us who doesn't wish we were you.....well
perhaps a few more before the Citroen.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 June 2001, "Lonn Howard" wrote:
>
> >
> > I bought a 1971 Citroen DS21.  Am I sick?  Do I need therapy?
> >
> > anon
> > 109 V8
> > RR County
> > Saab Turbo 'vert
>
>
> ________________________________________________
> PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart.
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:31:17 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: zenith rebuild tips

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:04:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: zenith rebuild tips

> I have the green bible, have a  rebuild kit on the way but I've never   
rebuilt a carb before.  I'd appreciate any tips on what to look for,   
tricky bits, etc.

The Zenith 36IV is probably one of the world's easiest carburetors 
to work on.  If you have a Land Rover factory service manual and the 
correct tools, you should have no trouble at all.  I've rebuilt them 
several times, and it only takes an hour or so.  Nothing is 
metric, and all you need are some screwdrivers and 
combination open end/box wrenches.  A 1/4" ratchet set will 
probably come in handy, too.

There are some small parts inside, so work on the thing over 
a mat or newspaper so when something takes off on its own, 
it won't disappear from sight.

Other than the warping thing, the three main things to check for 
are float level setting, accelerator pump sticking, and inlet needle 
valve sticking.  The manual contains a good description of how to 
set the proper float level.  I make a little cardboard gauge to measure 
the distance between the float tang and the top of the main joint gasket 
(I think that's where the measurement is taken- it's illustrated in the manual).

The piston of the accelerator pump will wear in its bore, and over time may 
begin to hang up.  This keeps the chamber from filling properly, 
so when you give the engine some gas, it doesn't get the 
proper "charge" from the pump and the engine stumbles.  
Polishing the piston and bore is often all that's needed, 
or you can replace the piston.  Some rebuild kits include a new 
accelerator pump piston.

The inlet needle valve is the one that's opened and closed by the 
movement of the floats in the float bowl.  It's not really a needle, 
but more of a little pyramid.  Over time, it's point can get worn, and 
it can begin to stick in the inlet port.  Again, a simple polishing can 
cure this, but I believe the rebuild kit comes with a new needle 
valve and inlet port, so just put them in and problem solved.

Other than that, just follow the illustrated directions and put all the 
gaskets where they belong.  If you get the kit that includes a new 
throttle butterfly and shaft, go ahead and put them on even if the old ones seem 
okay.  I'm a big supporter for using all the parts in a rebuild kit, even 
if some of the old parts appear to be alright.  Put in all new parts except 
one, and that's the one that will fail not long after you've gotten everything 
back together and running.  So instead of pulling the thing apart once, you 
get to pull it apart twice, only now you run the risk of damaging the new gaskets 
you just put in.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:29:47 -0500
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Scarcity?

Please comment on the scarcity of overdrive and rear PTO for the Series IIa. I
have the opportunity to snag both.

Andy Litkowiak

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:10:47 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Scarcity?

I know many of the Fairey overdrive parts are NLA.  New overdrives are
rumored to be NLA.  What is out there is rebuilt.  I can't speak for the
PTO.

I'm probably wrong about this but isn't it true that you cannot have both an
OD and a PTO?

Rich
'60 SII 109sw

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:16:04 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: More opinions sought

Another in what I am sure will be a series of "opinion polls".

Here's the situation...  Having the 109 frame sandblasted.  Now once I have
it down to raw steel I have two choices.

A) I can give it a coat of POR 15.

B) Using rattle cans, I can prep, prime and paint with gloss black.

Cast your vote!

Thanks,

Rich
'60 SII 109SW

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:32:24 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: How Much Oil For An Oil Change ?

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Okay, dumb question but the manual for the Series III Lightweight says 11 1/2 
pints US and an extra 1 1/2 pints for the filter too. That's 13 pints or 6 
1/2 quarts. That only just makes the "L" on the dipstick. Am I missing 
something here? It does not look like enough.
Thanks,
Tony

Anthony D. Miller & Co.
~ The Tintype Artist ~
Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
     34 Perryfalls Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21236
            410-256-7442
     www.tintype-artist.com

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  COLOR="#800000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Bliss" LANG="0">Okay, dumb question but the manual for the Series III Lightweight says 11 1/2 
<BR>pints US and an extra 1 1/2 pints for the filter too. That's 13 pints or 6 
<BR>1/2 quarts. That only just makes the "L" on the dipstick. Am I missing 
<BR>something here? It does not look like enough.
<BR>Thanks,
<BR>Tony
<BR>
<BR>Anthony D. Miller &amp; Co.
<BR>~ The Tintype Artist ~
<BR>Ambrotypes &amp; Ferrotypes
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;34 Perryfalls Place
<BR>Baltimore, Maryland 21236
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;410-256-7442
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800000" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Bliss" LANG="0">www.tintype-artist.com</FONT></HTML>

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