Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #412

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:08:48 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Saturday, June 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 412

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:09:53 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

: ) Oh thanks, you too, but be forewarned.....you might just get the urge 
to load up your rover and head north over the border!

Still hoping for confirmation that it truly exists beyond my late night 
memory : )

Lori in NE Pennsylvania

>lori, i haven't seen it.  i will take
>your word and buy some molson's ale for
>the weekend.  too much is better than
>not enough.  have a good weekend...  ray

 > Has anyone seen the new <to me anyway> Molson commercial?
 >
 > It is excellent!
 > It played three times last night during The Late Show here in PA <I 
think> ; )
 > It was a llA 109 *fully* loaded with gear up top and filled with a bunch of
 > kids having too much fun. Showed them going through Canada customs, a long,
 > lonely, top heavy sunset road shot, them pushing it through mud and water,
 > playing in mud, a Freedom town sign. In the end it said "open for 
adventure".
 >
 > It could have been an actual *Series* LR commercial.....hm.....must get my
 > water tested : ))
 >
 > I searched the adcritic site and it wasn't listed.
 > I hesitated posting to the list,  just incase it was all my
 > imagination......I'm hoping for confirmation : )
 >
 > Fire up the VCR : )

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 01 07:27:40 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: In a fog

>[email-masked] wrote:
>
>> Where can you find the heated wind screen at a reasonable cost? What
>> is the
>> power draw of it, I heard for a questionable source they're a large
>> electrical drain?
>
>I inquired about these matters at a danish independent dealer a couple
>of years ago. The price then was equivalent 250 punds sans tax

I bought mine in '96 and I think I paid 80some pounds for the pair at 
Craddocks.  I consider it money well spent.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:15:08 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: window fogging

Yep - but what about when the rain leaks in and dissolves the dried soap.
It's awfully hard to drive with all those bubbles in the truck.

:0)

Rich

- ----- Original Message -----
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:36 AM
Subject: LRO: window fogging

> Maybe someone has already suggested this and I missed it, but two words
> folks:  Ivory soap.  rub it on dry andsmear it around.  Works as well or
> better than the stuff made by rain X, in my experience here in the damp
> NW US.
> Simon
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:14:16 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re-LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

You are right Alan - but the "take it to the shop" mentality has to be
tempered by understanding that on the RRO a fair proportion of the trucks
are in warrantee OR have some kind of ECU problem.  For the former there is
no option but to "TITTS" and for the latter, unless you are some kind of
whiz kid (like YOU :-)) there is little option other than finding a
replacement at a breakers...

Lee

I do believe I've been dissed......8*)

Seriously, though, it is quite an understandable attitude for the
later-model machines. If it's still under warranty the dealer would well
get it back....

               ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:46:45 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:44:46 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Oil pressure question.

>Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting only 25 
psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the warning light comes 
on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 10W40 as it was before the 
installation. Should I be concerned?

That sounds awfully low, especially at idle.  My SIII has always had a minimum 
of 40 psi (12:00 position on the dial, which I think is 40 psi), and the 
pressure difference between idle and cruising rpm is negligible UNLESS I let 
the oil get a bit low.  Then the pressure drops to a needle's width or so below 
the midpoint on the dial at idle, and climbs back to a needle's width above the 
midpoint when the revs go back up.  Returning the oil level to the correct level 
fixes this, and there is virtually no difference between idle psi and 3,000 rpm 
psi.  If you're getting only 25 psi at idle plus the 
light comes on, I'd say you have a problem.  I have always used Castrol 20-40 
in my SIII, so I wouldn't say the cause of your low pressure is the wrong weight 
oil.  My engine has the original filter system on it, but I have heard that it's possible 
to install a spin-on adapter in such a way that the oil pressure is negatively affected.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:47:49 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Towing, was early LR prices

>Find it funny people would buy a series truck to tow
>something.  
>It would be 
>fine for towing a boat up a launch ramp.  A top speed of 35mph
>in 3rd gear, with the trailer on behind, hardly seems a useful 
>highway tow 
>vehicle, however.  Only thing I've towed is a 109 regular
>behind 
>my 88 but 
>it would barely do 45mph on level ground in 4th gear.  Couldn't

>see towing 
>anything very far in that situation.  Europeans must have been 
>really hard 
>up to HAVE to use a series to tow anything of reasonable size.

>Aloha
>Peter O.

I think the explanation goes something like this:

1. Folks over here usually are going shorter distances then in
the U.S.  Back in the States, it's not uncommon to have to go
500-1500 miles in one or two days.  That's crossing 3 to 8
countries over here.

2. Geography and population densities make 45 mph quite a
reasonable speed in most places.  Europe doesn't have the
network of wide, straight highways that is so commom in the U.S.

3. Legal tow speeds are much lower than in the U.S.  Most
passenger vehicles towing trailers are limited to 50-60 mph,
Commercial trucks likewise.  

4. Petrol (gas in the U.S.) prices and road sizes make buying
tow vehicles such as Ford F350's or GM monstrosities an
expensive and delicate proposition.  A Range Rover V8 is just
tolerable on both counts as long as you have a light right foot.
 (granted that the Rover V8 is not the worlds most efficient
engine...  ;>)  )
   
Not saying any of this is good or bad, just different.  My own
opinions will be held for the time being...

=====
Robert D. Ries
SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:54:26 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.

>I have heard that it's possible
>to install a spin-on adapter in such a way that the oil pressure is 
>negatively affected.
>___________________________

Mine is installed correctly and the oil pressure at idle drops to 
somewhere between 30 and 20 psi. This condition is considered normal 
according to my "surveys." And it doesn't present a problem--oil is 
still moving throught he system.

jeff
- -- 
Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
  mailto://[email-masked]  http://www.ovlr.org/jberg/
The Moral of this book is quick and easy. If you're ever going
to stand on it at all, stand on it now. The longer you wait,
the slower you get.      --Stroker Ace

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:54:39 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marins being offensive again!

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:13:38 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Marins being offensive again!

>>"Anyway, if anyone by chance did take offense at the 
statement, none was intended."       -Marin

>Well Marin, I am offended!! I am part Irish (well, my Dad's
stepmother was anyway...) and I didn't find it amusing at all. 
(snicker, snort, harumph...)  I say you owe me a pint, Guiness
of course, and a triple of Black Bush, as penalty.  I'm also
English-Scottish-French Cannuck-Indian-German-American, so don't
start anything or I'll drink you bankrupt!   :>))

Well, I'm half-French, but there's not much point in my making 
you-owe-me-a-beer threats to people who insult the French, 
as I'm not aware that the French really know how to make 
beer.  I'm sure they take a shot at it every now and then, 
but they seem to be pretty well hung up on wine.  As I don't 
care for wine (except ice-wine), being French doesn't do me 
much good in this respect.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:23:21 -0400
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

That all changed at the next battle at Rorke's Drift, a handful of British
soldiers used their heads instead of regulations to fight off thousands of
Zulu's.
LR content: I think you need a LR to get there now. Although I did go
there in a school bus once.

Michael Hatton

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Easton Trevor A wrote:

> Caught a portion of History Channel this morning which featured the Zulu
> wars. The Martini-Henry Rifle was used there and the rate of fire initially
> was such that many soldiers were firing at arms length because of bruised
> shoulders and hands were burnt by hot barrels. This resulted in poor
> accuracy and the problem was aggravated by the slow delivery of ammunition
> due to secure ammunition boxes and quartermasters regulations.
>
>
>
>
> 	The other (possible) South African connection is that a Commandant
> 	Lonsdale was sole survivor of Isandlwana. I guess he had a fast
> horse
> 	and was sent for re-inforcements! Probably could have used a V8 90..
>
>
> 	 Paul Lonsdale
>
>
> Quartermaster---- Would you like a Martini Henry?
>
> Commandant Henry Lonsdale---No thanks, I'd prefer a White Horse
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:23:46 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Need a spare wheel

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Okay, one more thing.  I need a spare wheel.  Series II vintage.  I =
don't care how rough it looks as I will sandblast it anyway, as long as =
it is true and is a 1959-61 wheel.

Anything available out there?

Thanks again,=20

Rich

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:31:08 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Chevy V6

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:20 -0500
From: car4doc <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Engine swaps

Rob,
Yes I have done a 4.3 converstion & it is a perfect match of 
power to
the LR.  I was even able to use the stock radiator.  I have been
thinking about putting in a seconded one in my 88.  Like you I 
thought
it was a perfect match to my use of the 109 I have.
The LR gearing is stock so far & I think it will stay that way 
if
nothing demands replacing.

Do you have any pictures/tips/instructions on doing this swap? 
I want to transplant one into B.D. when I get her to the other
side of the pond...  Send to me direct if you don't want to
clutter the list, but others may be interested...

=====
Robert D. Ries
SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
"With friends like these..."

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:20:04 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Afterrmarket doors

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Has anyone had any experience with aftermarket doors for Series trucks?

I've seen some on the Thatched Roof Garage website but don't know =
anything about the aftermarket doors - how's the quality, fit and =
finish?

Rich

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:44:30 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Temp Question

>reading 60f.

That's likely 60 C.....

>I belive this is the water temp.  Is this within the limits of running
well?  It
>gets warm here in Wyoming and I would like to treat the engine nicely.

Yup - right in range. If you look @ the gauge the line to the outside edge
(if it's an original gauge) gets thicker from 100 10 110C and much heavier
after that - those are the warning and "uh-oh" ranges.

It is very hard to overheat a Series Rover unless you're working it very
hard....they are rather overcooled (which is a good thing in the Summer).

THe actual temperature that the gauge reads is determined by the thermostat
rating - that being the bit that regualtes the water flow to the cooling
system. Which one do you have fitted? Depending on that, add 5 degrees or
so and that's the neighborhood you should be in.

Considering the average accuracy of a Series gauge, however, I wouldn't
worry about it either way. As long as it's in the normal range and stable
you should be fine.

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:01:23 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Engine swaps

> What about a V-6 like the the one from Chevy S-10's, the 4.3?L
> Vortec?  Torque for days, highway cruising with proper gearing,
> nearly bomb-proof?  A "simple" matter to mount the electrickery
> somewhere safe from flooding.  Even the non-vortec version would
> be a reasonable choice.  Anyone done one of these?

I have been thinking about this for my next Rover project.
A friend did the conversion in a Jeep with a 700r4 tranny and Dana 300
transfercase.
The engine will bolt to the TH trannies also.  Have found someone that has
mounted a TH350 to a Series transfer case and used a Salisbury rear.  So the
components are all there.  Adapter from tranny to transfer will be the
hardest part.
Advanced adapters has a vortec kit that includes motor mounts and an engine
wiring harness.
My friend got the ecu from a Junk yard.  Used headers and welded in a
threaded section for the O2 sensor.  Rest of the sensors were on the engine.
Pete

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:02:37 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Engine swaps

> Rob,
> Yes I have done a 4.3 converstion & it is a perfect match of power to
> the LR.  I was even able to use the stock radiator.  

What transmission did you use?
Pete

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:07:54 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: HTML - ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, Okay - I know...

I just realized that my email is going out in HTML format.  I wasn't paying
attention and I am sorry for posting these HTML formatted messages to the
list.  I know I can't stand it and several of you out there are in
agreement.

But this confirms that someone has been mucking around with my computer
while I'm out to lunch or something.  Something I had long suspected.  Time
for the CMOS password I guess.

Anyway, I am sorry for the PITA posts.

Rich

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:09:03 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.

Wow.  My stock IIa set up runs 40psi at idle and 65 at 3000rpm.

>>> [email-masked] 06/15/01 11:46AM >>>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:44:46 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Oil pressure question.

>Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting only 25 
psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the warning light comes 
on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 10W40 as it was before the 
installation. Should I be concerned?

That sounds awfully low, especially at idle.  My SIII has always had a minimum 
of 40 psi (12:00 position on the dial, which I think is 40 psi), and the 
pressure difference between idle and cruising rpm is negligible UNLESS I let 
the oil get a bit low.  Then the pressure drops to a needle's width or so below 
the midpoint on the dial at idle, and climbs back to a needle's width above the 
midpoint when the revs go back up.  Returning the oil level to the correct level 
fixes this, and there is virtually no difference between idle psi and 3,000 rpm 
psi.  If you're getting only 25 psi at idle plus the 
light comes on, I'd say you have a problem.  I have always used Castrol 20-40 
in my SIII, so I wouldn't say the cause of your low pressure is the wrong weight 
oil.  My engine has the original filter system on it, but I have heard that it's possible 
to install a spin-on adapter in such a way that the oil pressure is negatively affected.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:59:39 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.

Oil pressure in most engines drops at idle.  Engine oil pump is turning very 
low rpm and can't pump much oil at 800rpm.  The engine also doesn't need 
much oil pressure to run at that RPM so not to worry.  The light coming on 
with 25 psi shouldn't be happening, though.  Think the light is switched at 
something around 10psi.  Sounds like your gauge or light sensor is out of 
whack.

It would be nice if pressure at speed was over 40psi but that's still enough 
pressure.  Behavior of the pressure, over time, is something that you should 
have real concern about.  If its holding steady in a range and not dropping 
as engine is worked, its probably okay.  If pressure starts off high and 
then drops as oil warms, it could be the pressure relief in the pump, stuck 
full open. BTDT.  Of the four 2 1/4 engines I've become intimate with, none 
ran pressure over 50psi at speed.  Two of those engines were completely 
rebuilt so should have been running optimal pressure.

FWIW  Oil pressure is only a rough indication of an engines condition.  When 
I bought my 109, it was undrivable because of the hydraulics.  Engine 
started up fine and held good oil pressure, around 50 psi, after warming up. 
  Thought the engine was okay until I decided to check the bearings for the 
hell of it while I had the transmission out.  Bearings were worn down to the 
shell with almost no bearing material remaining.  The crank had worn oval 
and needed to be ground.  Engine was about ready to blow but the oil 
pressure sure didn't let me know that.  If you really want to be sure about 
the bearings, you can pull the pan and check all but the rear main bearing 
with 'plastigauge'.  You could throw in an oil pump rebuild kit while your 
in there, just to add a little insurance.

I wouldn't worry about the oil pressure unless you have secondary 
indications like rod knock or other lower end thumps before the oil pressure 
builds up when starting up from cold.

Aloha
Peter O.

>From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:09:03 -0400
>
>Wow.  My stock IIa set up runs 40psi at idle and 65 at 3000rpm.
>
> >>> [email-masked] 06/15/01 11:46AM >>>
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:44:46 -0400
>From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: Oil pressure question.
>
> >Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting only 25
>psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the warning light comes
>on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 10W40 as it was before the
>installation. Should I be concerned?
>
>That sounds awfully low, especially at idle.  My SIII has always had a 
>minimum
>of 40 psi (12:00 position on the dial, which I think is 40 psi), and the
>pressure difference between idle and cruising rpm is negligible UNLESS I 
>let
>the oil get a bit low.  Then the pressure drops to a needle's width or so 
>below
>the midpoint on the dial at idle, and climbs back to a needle's width above 
>the
>midpoint when the revs go back up.  Returning the oil level to the correct 
>level
>fixes this, and there is virtually no difference between idle psi and 3,000 
>rpm
>psi.  If you're getting only 25 psi at idle plus the
>light comes on, I'd say you have a problem.  I have always used Castrol 
>20-40
>in my SIII, so I wouldn't say the cause of your low pressure is the wrong 
>weight
>oil.  My engine has the original filter system on it, but I have heard that 
>it's possible
>to install a spin-on adapter in such a way that the oil pressure is 
>negatively affected.
>___________________________
>C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:47:00 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Oil pressure question.

>Oil pressure in most engines drops at idle.  Engine oil pump is turning 
>very low rpm and can't pump much oil at 800rpm.  The engine also doesn't 
>need much oil pressure to run at that RPM so not to worry.  The light 
>coming on with 25 psi shouldn't be happening, though.  Think the light is 
>switched at something around 10psi.  Sounds like your gauge or light 
>sensor is out of whack.

Further indication that something's wrong with my light - on the drive home 
this afternoon, it started staying on longer and longer. Now it's 
complaining the moment that oil pressure drops below 40 psi. Definitely not 
right. I'll be looking in to that one. I suspect foreign matter in the 
sender, despite my care during the spin-on adaptor installation. The gauge 
is still behaving as I believe oil pressure should behave, so I'm taking 
that as being the correct one. I'll take a gauge over an idiot light any day.

The engine is showing no signs of distress or unhappiness unlike the driver 
in this blasted heat!

Keith
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:58:53 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

I think they were going to the OLVR Birthday Party.

Molson ads seem to show up fairly quickly on Adcritic. This one must be new 
or I would have seen it by now.

Keith

At 08:56 15-06-01, you wrote:
>Has anyone seen the new <to me anyway> Molson commercial?
>
>It is excellent!
>It played three times last night during The Late Show here in PA <I think> ; )
>It was a llA 109 *fully* loaded with gear up top and filled with a bunch 
>of kids having too much fun. Showed them going through Canada customs, a 
>long, lonely, top heavy sunset road shot, them pushing it through mud and 
>water, playing in mud, a Freedom town sign. In the end it said "open for 
>adventure".
>
>It could have been an actual *Series* LR commercial.....hm.....must get my 
>water tested : ))
>
>I searched the adcritic site and it wasn't listed.
>I hesitated posting to the list,  just incase it was all my 
>imagination......I'm hoping for confirmation : )
>
>Fire up the VCR : )
>
>Lori in NE Pennsylvania
>http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:54:01 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Paint Schemes

It's official.

I've just ordered the paint from the supplier and he's mixing it up today.

Bronze Green for the body and Rover White for the wheels and the ENTIRE top.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Rich
'60 SII 109sw

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Hope <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Afterrmarket doors

I bought a pair from Craddocks when I was in England. 
Very cheap and cheaply built - far inferior to the
originals.  But they were so cheap compared to genuine
that you can afford to replace them much more often. 
By the way they fitted perfectly.

David Hope
Series llA, SW

- --- Rich Williams II <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with aftermarket doors
> for Series trucks?
> 
> I've seen some on the Thatched Roof Garage website
> but don't know anything about the aftermarket doors
> - how's the quality, fit and finish?
> 
> Rich
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:15:06 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness

agreed, I just did a large feature on our (UK) Civil War, it was anything
but civil...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

> Paul wrote:
> > Civil War
>
> Gotta be the best example of a contradiction in terms ever! Much better
> than military intelligence or good government.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:20:52 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Guinness (for Frank, the Old Fart)

my son (L/R content he owns a Ser3) coaches part time for Blackburn Rovers
kids teams, and my grandson is an avid Rovers fan. Me, I follow Rovers 'cos
they're our local (and family!) team now but I still support my home town
team, Port Vale - down in the second division. That's me and Robbie
Williams...
Best Cheers

Frank
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Maiolo <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:39 AM
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: Re: Guinness (for Frank, the Old Fart)

> > to enjoy a pint of Newkie Brown properly you should have a pint bottle
and
> a
> > half pint glass. Then you keep topping up the half pint as you drink, to
> > keep the head on it. Otherwise it disappears and looks flat - still
tastes
> > just as good tho.
>
> One of the guys on the list got it dead on!
>
>
> > you also write: 'up Alan Shearer' to which I reply, that rat deserted
> > Blackburn Rovers so 'right up' him!
>
> Yeah, I've got a Rovers (<-----content) jersey in my closet. A pal gave it
> to me as a very obvious joke. Relegated or not I still pull for them,
owing,
> of course to the name.
> Personally, I'm a Chelsea fan when you're talking Premier. I just
mentioned
> Shearer because (let's face it) he's amazing, and from Newkie town.
>
> Mixed a Scot's Mac tonight. Thanks for the tip!
>
> Alex Maiolo
> Chapel Hill NC
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:24:10 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Guinness (for Frank, the Old Fart)

Mick Forster writes:<<< I used to prefer a dimple glass with a
> handle on as well but you don't see them anymore.<<<

now them I do miss

Best Cheers

Frank
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:52:37 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

I think they were going to the OLVR Birthday Party.

No, if that had been the case they'd have been pulled over and
strip-searched at the Canada border....8*)

                         aj"Hopefully not true..."r

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:17:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

:
:I think they were going to the OLVR Birthday Party.
:
:No, if that had been the case they'd have been pulled over and
:strip-searched at the Canada border....8*)
:

Hey, I thought that only happened to me!

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Rowe" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 9000LB Winch for sale

I haven't tried hard to sell it yet, actually almost not at all :-)
I still have my Ramsey Platinum 9000  for sale. It's in almost new condidtion, no rust, 
and includes the rolller fairlead, cable and controller of course. I also have a vinyl 
Ramsey winch cover, worth about $50, that I'll include.
It's probably likely it can be delivered to somewhere between Atlanta and Northern, VA 
sometime in July, or to Northwestern FL the last weekend of June. Or even to the 
Mid-Atl rallye in Oct. if I get a deposit on it.
I'm asking $675 for it.
Cheers

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
        in places even more inaccessible

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Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:09:02 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine swaps

The 4.3 has been used in boats extensively as a carburetor engine.  Fuel injection is nice, though.  What about clearing the steering?  Still have to move away from stock box/relay setup?

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Fri, 15 June 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

> 
> > What about a V-6 like the the one from Chevy S-10's, the 4.3?L
> > Vortec?  Torque for days, highway cruising with proper gearing,
> > nearly bomb-proof?  A "simple" matter to mount the electrickery
> > somewhere safe from flooding.  Even the non-vortec version would
> > be a reasonable choice.  Anyone done one of these?
> 
> I have been thinking about this for my next Rover project.
> A friend did the conversion in a Jeep with a 700r4 tranny and Dana 300
> transfercase.
> The engine will bolt to the TH trannies also.  Have found someone that has
> mounted a TH350 to a Series transfer case and used a Salisbury rear.  So the
> components are all there.  Adapter from tranny to transfer will be the
> hardest part.
> Advanced adapters has a vortec kit that includes motor mounts and an engine
> wiring harness.
> My friend got the ecu from a Junk yard.  Used headers and welded in a
> threaded section for the O2 sensor.  Rest of the sensors were on the engine.
> Pete

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Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:15:32 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Paint Schemes

Oooooo.  That's going to be nice!  I love the bronze green 109's.  Genie is all limestone at this point.  Wouldn't hurt to paint something bronze green though.  How about an inverse scheme?  Bronze green top, limestone sides, bronze green body, bronze green wheels.  Wierd!  It would look like a rolling bowling shirt.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Fri, 15 June 2001, "Rich Williams II" wrote:

> 
> It's official.
> 
> I've just ordered the paint from the supplier and he's mixing it up today.
> 
> Bronze Green for the body and Rover White for the wheels and the ENTIRE top.
> 
> Thanks for everyone's input.
> 
> Rich
> '60 SII 109sw

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:29:20 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

In article 
<[email-masked]>, Michael 
Hatton wrote:
> a handful of British
> soldiers
Welsh mainly... Apart from one officer who kept shouting 
"Oi! Stop chucking those bloody spears!"

Paul

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:29:19 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness

In article <000901c0f5da$dea980a0$0c02020a@FrankElson>, Frank Elson wrote:
> agreed, I just did a large feature on our (UK) Civil War, it was anything
> but civil...
> Best Cheers
> 
> Frank
>
Where will/did it appear Frank?

Paul

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:29:20 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

In article 
<[email-masked]>, Easton 
Trevor A wrote:
> Quartermaster---- Would you like a Martini Henry?
> 
> Commandant Henry Lonsdale---No thanks, I'd prefer a White Horse
>
Well, you can take a White Horse anywhere...

Bit like a Landie really!

Paul Lonsdale (Not a Commandant)

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:26:56 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine swaps

> The 4.3 has been used in boats extensively as a carburetor engine.  Fuel
injection is nice, though.  What about clearing the steering?  Still have to
move away from stock box/relay setup?

FI is nice but carb is easier.  Didn't even think about that way.
Steering...why power steering of course :-)

Pete

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:16:11 -0700
From: "Gerry Elam" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Tomb Raider, very very little LR action but lots o Angeline Jolie

Robyn (my 12-year old daughter) and I went to see Tomb Raider this 
afternoon.  LR has a 110 in the movie and supposedly, you can purchase a 
Tomb Raider 110 version in the UK.

I was disappointed by how little time the 110 gets in the movie (probably on 
screen for less than a minute) but the fact that Angelina Jolie gets a lot 
of time more than makes up for it.  :-)

Robyn loved the movie.... I thought it was so-so.

Cheers,
Gerry
PHX AZ
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:45:04 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Rear Axle Question

In an effort to stop the flow of 90 wt oil into the right rear brake of my 
1965 109, I have removed the reake shoes, hub assemblyand brake backing 
plate, but the axle shaft is proving difficult to remove.  

Are there some good techniques to extract this shaft? 

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:47:34 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Re: Freewheel hubs

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I know that engaging the free wheel hubs occasionally is a Good Thing for 
keeping the oil circulating in the front axle, but why not just engage 
4-wheel drive occasionally? Let the transfer case do the work. Press the 
little old yellow lever from time to time and then you don't have to leave 
the warm cosy comfort of your Series heated cabin. Not that it concerns us 
much here in sunny California where we welcome the exercise.

Ian Kelly

1970 Series IIA

"Slow but Relentless"

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I know that engaging the free wheel hubs occasionally is a Good Thing for 
<BR>keeping the oil circulating in the front axle, but why not just engage 
<BR>4-wheel drive occasionally? Let the transfer case do the work. Press the 
<BR>little old yellow lever from time to time and then you don't have to leave 
<BR>the warm cosy comfort of your Series heated cabin. Not that it concerns us 
<BR>much here in sunny California where we welcome the exercise.
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<BR>Ian Kelly
<BR>
<BR>1970 Series IIA
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<BR>"Slow but Relentless"</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:06:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Axle Question

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

:In an effort to stop the flow of 90 wt oil into the right rear brake of my
:1965 109, I have removed the reake shoes, hub assemblyand brake backing
:plate, but the axle shaft is proving difficult to remove.
:
:Are there some good techniques to extract this shaft?
:

I've never had a problem removing an axle shaft.  The little bit that ends
up in the diff when the shaft brakes, yes, but a whole shaft never.  Put the
transmission in neutral and release the handbrake (make sure you're not
goinhg to roll away first!) and see if rotating the shaft makes it any
easier.  If you can't turn it, turning the rear propshaft will cause it to
turn.  I always do this with the driving member (thats the bit the six bolts
that hold the thingy to the hub go through) still in place.  It sometimes
takes some leveage to get to move.  If you've disassembled that, put it back
together and try that way.  My usuall tecnique is to force a screwdriver
between the hub and the driving member, which sometimes has required a
hammer.  Once it  starts t omove, it should come right out.  If it doesn't,
the splines at the  diff side may be buggered, in which case ytou should
replace the axle, and inspect the other side.

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