Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #411

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:46:21 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, June 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 411

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 01 12:44:12 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: In a fog

>Where can you find the heated wind screen at a reasonable cost?

They can be pricy, esp if purchased from a US mail order company.  I 
bought mine while in England from Craddocks and brought them home as 
baggage.

> What is the power draw of it, I heard for a questionable source they're a 
large 
>electrical drain?

Sorry I have not measured the current draw.  I run a large alternator so 
it isn't noticable to me.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:07:26 +0200
From: "Ivan i Jelena Lukic" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: seeking opinions on paint schemes

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rich & Lori Williams <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:28 AM
Subject: LRO: seeking opinions on paint schemes

> I am using Rover White (apparently the earliest of the LR "light" colors)
> for the roof and wheels.  The question is regarding the roof, some family
> members are in favor of painting just the sun shield white with the rest
of
> the top painted body color and others want the entire roof white.  We've
> seen Series trucks painted both ways and now have a divided household.
Was
> there any specific reason behind the 2 different schemes?

AFAIK s2s originaly had roof coloured body colour, at least mine has ('59
LWB SW). Later, roof colour became always limestone.

In a salesman manual for s3 I red that bronze green LR's had different
colour scheme than usual - they had wheels in body color, unlike other
colours.

Regards, Ivan.

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:28:28 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Historical prices

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:51:41 -0400
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Historical prices

>"Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>

>>I do know that at the time (1973), the Land Rover Series III was the most
>expensive of the utility-type 4wds available in the US.

>Gotta disagree here...I remember that the Rover was the second *lowest*.

Maybe things changed between 1972 and 1973.  But I priced all the short 
wheelbase 4wds available in my part of the world, and the Land Rover was 
the most expensive by a significant amount.  The Land Rover was $4,200 and the Land 
Cruiser FJ-40 was about $3,800.  The Jeep was damn near free at about 
$2,400 for the basic model.  A good friend bought a new CJ-5 the following 
year (1974), but he got it with the optional 258 cu.in. six engine.  I recall him 
telling me that the vehicle cost him about $2,800.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:31:55 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Historical prices

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:51:41 -0400
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Historical prices

>"Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>

>I> do know that at the time (1973), the Land Rover Series III was the most
>expensive of the utility-type 4wds available in the US.

>Gotta disagree here...I remember that the Rover was the second *lowest*.

I forgot to mention that I am comparing only the short wheelbase 4wds that 
were around at the time.  Some of the larger 4wds like pickups, 
Carryalls, etc. were more expensive than the Land Rover in 1973.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:11:38 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: LR's in the movies again?

I just viewed both trailers available at 
<http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/jurassic_park_3>. The shot 
that I think Rich is referring to appears in the Trailer 2 at about 
00:00:34. I have the advantage of fast internet/processor and am able 
to view the trailer at the largest size. I also froze the frame using 
the Quicktime controls.

Unfortunately (for us Rover fans) the vehicle in question appears to 
be either a  Land Cruiser or a Jeep "CJ" something. (I think it's the 
latter) The front part of the top doesn't seem to slope down enough 
and the windshield is one piece.

It does look Roveresque when you run the clip at full speed 
though--nice catch Rich.

Jeff, burster of bubbles

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 01 14:20:24 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: New British Pacific web site up

Just to let you know that the new British Pacific web site is now live.

http://www.britishpacific.com

Features include:

- - Model specific web pages dealing with your model of Land Rover

- - Model specific classified adds

- - A stationary deal of the day page that you can bookmark and return to.
Please note that the deal of the day page is devoted to Steve's 
participation in the History Channel's Great Race until July 2.

- - Current downloadable catalogues in Adobe Acrobat format.  Download the 
complete catalogue or individual pages.  The Series catalog needs to be 
updated before it is available on line.

- - A Land Rover lifestyle & accessories section.

- - An off road equipment section with all the off road equipment indexed 
my model of Land Rover so you can quickly find what will fit on your 
Rover.

The site is worth exploring.

Take care,

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:31:40 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: missing front Drive shaft

On the Rovers North BBS someone is selling a 1988 RR shop manual.
http://catalog.roversnorth.com/wwwboard/w3bbserframe.html
They also have a coil sprung list.
Jim Wolf

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:44:46 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Oil pressure question.

Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting only 25 
psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the warning light comes 
on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 10W40 as it was before the 
installation. Should I be concerned?

Keith Tanner
- ------------
Keith's page de home:
    http://keith.miata.net
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:52:27 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Land Rover Price in 1959?

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:01:46 -0700
From: "G. Mugele" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Land Rover Price in 1959?

>On another note regarding comparative prices.  I was surprised to see 
that Marin paid $4200 for his in '73 and then the invoice from the 
dealer in Norfolk listing even more for a '72.

I looked at the invoice you mention, and the total price was $4,216.  The 
price I quoted of $4,200 was the basic list price in 1973 at the San Francisco 
Bay area dealer.  It did not include the rear step I had added, and of course 
it did not include shipping, dealer prep, etc., etc. etc.  My SIII ended up costing 
me somewhat over $4,500 in total.  But the base price was about $4,200.

Also, the fellow that owned the flying school where I got my ratings in Hawaii 
bought a new Ferrari the same year I bought my Land Rover.  He, too, had to 
order it from a dealer in California.  He paid exactly $10,000 plus shipping.  I 
don't remember what model Ferrari he bought, but it was certainly one of the 
cheaper ones.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 01 14:56:05 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re-LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

>
>>>>> Anyway I'm glad this LRO-list is around cuz I'll probably be asking
>> quite a few questions from now on. . . Beside the manuals, any tools
>> I should get to start with?
>
>FYI this is the Series Rover list.  There is a coil spring list that you
>will probably find more helpfull.<<<<
>
>Trouble with the coil sprung list is that it is full of 18 year olds whining
>that there is nowhere to fit bass boomers and extra switchgear in beluga
>black Discoveries.

And the problem with the series list is it is full of people who know 
something about leafsprung vehicles & little about Range Rovers.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:56:41 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Oil pressure question.

>Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting 
>only 25 psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the 
>warning light comes on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 
>10W40 as it was before the installation. Should I be concerned?

Sounds to be about the same that I get--maybe even a little higher.. 
Rule of thumb is 10 psi per 1000 RPM (or some such.) You should be 
fine.

Spin on adaptor, 10-w-30 here.

jeff
- -- 
==                                                                   
  Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT        
                     [email-masked]
                      ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life, 
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:02:53 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: seeking opinions on paint schemes

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> 
> Okay, this really isn't that big of a deal but I needed to kill a few

> 
> We're talking about a 1960 Series II 109 Station Wagon.  The truck was
> originally Marine Blue and after much consideration during this restoration
> I have decided to change it's body color to Bronze Green, including the side
> panels rear of the middle doors.  Well, it may not be a SII color (from what
> I have been able to tell save for models exported to countries other than
> the USA) but at least it is a Series color.

Well, my NAS 1960 Series II 88 Station Wagon was originally Bronze Green
so you would be OK.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:21:18 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: True Brits (was Guiness)

yes John, you successfully received the signal I was making...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tackley, John <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: True Brits (was Guiness)

>
> >which is why
> >there are only a handful of surnames in Wales :-)>
>
> Ahhh, I now see the similarities between Wales and West Virginia...it
seems
> more logical where from WV derived its name(Wales  lies to the 'west',)and
> reputation (similar lack of surnames)...
>
> ;->)
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:28:49 -0600
From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Temp Question

I am a complete LR novice.  I have learned much since my purchase 
last fall but I was wondering about the correct temp range the beast 
should be running at.  I have a 1968 SW 109" with the 2.25 engine. 
Now that it is summer the temp gauge is reading 60f.  I belive this 
is the water temp.  Is this within the limits of running well?  It 
gets warm here in Wyoming and I would like to treat the engine nicely.

Thanks for your insight,

B

>Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting 
>only 25 psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the 
>warning light comes on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is 
>10W40 as it was before the installation. Should I be concerned?
>
>Keith Tanner
>------------
>Keith's page de home:
>    http://keith.miata.net
>------------

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:31:09 -0600
From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Doh!

In regards to the water temp that should probably be cel. not f for 
the temp reading.

sorry, my idiocy ran away with me.

B

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:16:46 -0400
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness

Paul,

Please do come for a visit.  Between the few of us, we can show you some
sites.  In fact, I live behind Union lines about 100m from a Union "redoubt"
(hey, its a fort to me!).

Penny Lane is owned by an ex Liverpuddlian/Mersysideman who dabbled with
different bands.  Decent chap who serves a somewhat Americanized version of
British food.  Before someone's knickers get in a twist - he has to make a
living in an area where turnip greens, pinto beans, chittlin's, and other
things pass for food.

The food's decent.  The beer consumable and the surroundings, nostalgia.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 14 June, 2001 04:10 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

> In article <A0669F3E0A6B3448A962DC6141E6C7A6B232F3@mis1>, John Tackley
wrote:
> > Heard a cute ad this AM on the radio for a pub here in Richmond, Va:
> >
> > The owner of this fine establishment comes on, and in his genuine, best
> > Cockney accent says:
> >
> > "Penny Lane Bri-ish Pub...A bit of auffentic Bri-ish food; Bangers and
Mash,
> > roight, Shepards Pie, Pasties", roight, ...
> >
> > (yadda yadda...here comes the cute part)
> >
> > "Many Bri-ish beer styles on tap, roight, Bitters, Ales, Stouts, well
over a
> > dozen in aull, roight, includin' 6 Bri-ish, 2 Scau-ish, 2 Irish and ...
> > ...2 American beers for the designated drivers! Roight!"
> >
> Sounds excellent!
>
>  Would you recommend a visit to Richmond Virginia to tourists from
Richmond
> Surrey?
>  I quite fancy visiting some Civil War (War between the States?) Sites,
and I
> would value a local opinion.
>
>  Paul
>
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:27:42 -0400
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: In a fog

Best I ever used was the anti fog rag from an Army "gas mask" (protective
mask).  Grey "flannel" rag soaked in some kind of liquid.  Works like a
champ!  Saw some in one of the surplus catalogs last year for about a dollar
a container.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 14 June, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: LRO: In a fog

> Jim Hall" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >Just wondering, does it do anything on the inside of the windscreen as
> >far as fogging is concerned?
>
> Rain-X also makes and anti-fog solution.  I've tried it on half the
> bathroom mirror (amazing results...but short term only, tho') and on the
> windscreen.  I found the glare at night to be annoying.  Cleaned the
screen
> prior to application with Windex or the like, but did not do the solvent
> wash like some folks have said.  Maybe that's the whole secret....
>
> My brother had a 109 that fogged up so bad every time it raine, he carried
> a squeegee for the inside....
>
> Cheers
>
> *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----*
> |                 A. P. "Sandy" Grice                  |
> |    The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd    |
> |     1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
> |     757-622-7054  (H)423-4898  (FAX)757-622-7056     |
> *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:59:22 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Rain-X, the final step...

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Hi; Try using Bon ami bar soap it works fine for anti fog on mirrors and 
wndows
Steve F

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:31:27 -0400
From: "David Cockey" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: seeking opinions on paint schemes

SII Station Wagons, as opposed to Hardtops, had the top painted body color,
and the tropical roof panel painted Rover White. Pickup cabs were body color
if factory fitted, and white if dealer fitted. I'm sure there were
exceptions to these.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:59:33 +1000
From: David Pillekers <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Australian 4wd and other Books

G'day All,

I'm about 20 digests behind so I have no idea what you guys are on about
at the moment.

However I remember that Frank and some others were looking for Books on
the outback etc.

Another URL to try is www.pitstop.net.au who seem to have a wide variety
of stuff from vids, cd's to books. I emailed them and got a very prompt
response. 

HTH, and if I can help in any way its probably best to email direct, as
I'm a very very long way behind.

cheers

David (Melbourne, Australia)

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:39:35 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Temp Question

Your probably running a bit cold.  From the temperature your running would 
say either the thermostat has failed open or is not installed.  There are 
three thermostats of varying temperature 74, 82, and 88 degrees C.  You'd 
probably want to run the hottest one in the winter to generate heat for the 
heater and the coldest in the summer.  I've apparently got the 82 degree one 
as mine seems to run fine at that temperature year around.  Of course its 
been awhile since it got anywhere near freezing here, but that one might be 
a good year around choice if heat wasn't that important.  The 2 1/4 takes a 
skirted type of thermostat, I believe, so you have to specify that type if 
you wander down to your local NAPA store for a thermostat.  The last time I 
bought one, believe they still had the rover in their books.

Aloha
Peter O

>From: Brendan Evans <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: LRO: Temp Question
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:28:49 -0600
>
>I am a complete LR novice.  I have learned much since my purchase
>last fall but I was wondering about the correct temp range the beast
>should be running at.  I have a 1968 SW 109" with the 2.25 engine.
>Now that it is summer the temp gauge is reading 60f.  I belive this
>is the water temp.  Is this within the limits of running well?  It
>gets warm here in Wyoming and I would like to treat the engine nicely.
>
>Thanks for your insight,
>
>B
>
>
>>Since I installed a spin-on oil filter adaptor, I've been getting
>>only 25 psi of pressure at idle (according to my gauge) and the
>>warning light comes on. Running pressure is about 40. Oil weight is
>>10W40 as it was before the installation. Should I be concerned?
>>
>>Keith Tanner
>>------------
>>Keith's page de home:
>>    http://keith.miata.net
>>------------
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:02:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Temp Question

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote:

:Your probably running a bit cold.  From the temperature your running would
:say either the thermostat has failed open or is not installed.  There are

Well, my first guess is the gauge is wrong.  With the Rover cold, remove the
radiator cap, start the engine and wait for it to come up to temperature.
You may have to drive it briefly for this, depending on ambient temperature.
When it's warm, stick a candy thermometer into the coolant, and see what it
reads.  If you don't have a candy thermometer, go buy one;  they're cheap.
Stick it a pot of boiling water to make sure it's reasonably accurate before
using it.  If the temp in the radiator is fine, (some where between 75 and
90C depending on which 'stat is installed) your gauge is suspect.  If it's
an electric one, suspect the sending unit or the voltage stabilizor.

David

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:23:08 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

In article <[email-masked]>, Paul Oxley wrote:
> Or, for that matter, between the British and ANY of their former
> colonies.
>
Absolutely. My Grandmother (who died recently at 98) had a picture of 
her father taken in Pietermaritzburg. He was dressed in the "new 
fangled khaki".

 The other (possible) South African connection is that a Commandant 
Lonsdale was sole survivor of Isandlwana. I guess he had a fast horse 
and was sent for re-inforcements! Probably could have used a V8 90..

 Paul Lonsdale

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:23:09 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover Price in 1959?

In article <[email-masked]>, Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> Find it funny people would buy a series truck to tow something.  It would be 
> fine for towing a boat up a launch ramp.  A top speed of 35mph
> in 3rd gear, with the trailer on behind, hardly seems a useful highway tow 
> vehicle, however.  Only thing I've towed is a 109 regular behind my 88 but 
> it would barely do 45mph on level ground in 4th gear.  Couldn't see towing 
> anything very far in that situation.  Europeans must have been really hard 
> up to HAVE to use a series to tow anything of reasonable size.
>
In the Sixties we only had a handful of motorways and fast roads that would 
equate to a highway. Most familys had cars of between 1100 cc and 1600cc.
(My Dad`s first car was a 1958 998cc Austin A35 (smaller than a mini). He sold 
it because he had three squabbling boys and we desperately needed more room. 
The new car was a 1964 Vauxhall Victor 1600. American would call it a compact!) 
These cars would have a maximum speed of around 70-80 mph. 
Rovers and Jaguars were owned by the well to do. 

 Series Land-Rovers would be seen towing horse-boxes and stock trailers. If you 
broke down the breakdown truck would most likely be a Land-Rover with a crane 
arrangement in the load bed. We did not have many pick-up trucks at all here, 
and the only other 4x4s around would be ex-WW2 Jeeps or Austin Champs (always 
rare).
 
 There were still "bomb sites" around in London at this time, often in use as 
car parks or used car lots. It took Britain a LONG time to recover from WW2.
 
 Tell it to T`youth of today and they won`t believe you!
 
 Paul

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:23:08 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness

In article <[email-masked]>, Larry Smith wrote:
> Please do come for a visit.  Between the few of us, we can show you some
> sites.  In fact, I live behind Union lines about 100m from a Union "redoubt"
> (hey, its a fort to me!).
>
OK. I have put your message on "keep" for when I get a vacation!

I have heard some bad reports regarding the safety of Richmond Va, but I have not actually met anyone who has visited there! 
Plenty of people at work (British Airways) have been to Washington, but no-one seems to have "Gone South". I tend to take 
these shock horror reports about American cities with a pinch of salt anyway. I try to avoid bad areas when warned about them 
and I trust my "bad feeling about this" antennae. All big cities are dodgy, parts of London being no exception.

>Penny Lane is owned by an ex Liverpuddlian/Mersysideman who dabbled with
different bands.  Decent chap who serves a somewhat Americanized version of
British food.  Before someone's knickers get in a twist - he has to make a
living in an area where turnip greens, pinto beans, chittlin's, and other
things pass for food.<

 I tried some local recipes in Georgia a few years back. Interesting! Some good, some repulsive..
 
 One of the most fascinating drives I ever made in the US was from Savannah, Georgia to Charleston, South Carolina.
 
 Kudzu in the trees, country music on the radio (not that there was any choice!) And the sound of banjos in my brain
 I kept wishing I had never seen "Deliverance". 
 
 And when I saw a Sheriffs car I nearly messed myself because I was so scared of getting locked up for speeding!
 
 The truth is, however, everyone I met was charming and curious to know why this crazy Brit was visiting the area.
 
 Never saw any Land-Rovers at all!

 Paul

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:38:19 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re-LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

And the problem with the series list is it is full of people who know
something about leafsprung vehicles & little about Range Rovers.

TeriAnn Wakeman

Speak for yourself!

I will lay very long odds that many of us here have one of each...or in my
case more than one Series and a Range Rover as a parts hauler...8*)

Seriously, though, the folks here tend to be a lot more hands-on than the
RRO - where "take it to the shop" is often heard....

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:07:06 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Engine swaps

>Once you get past the power of a stock 250 ci inline six you 
>need to 
>upgrade the gearbox and the rear diff.  The diff's a piece of 
>cake but 
>the gearbox has it's own set of adaption issues.

>It would basically take a modified flowed 9:1 LR head, larger 
>dia exhaust 
>system, special cam and Weber two venturi carb & intake
>manifold 
>to maybe 
>equal the stock output of the old Iron Duke engine.  Cost wise 
>the Iron 
>Duke may be cheaper.

>TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
>Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating,
testing
>[email-masked]      search engine optimization, 
>graphics
                              and more

What about a V-6 like the the one from Chevy S-10's, the 4.3?L
Vortec?  Torque for days, highway cruising with proper gearing,
nearly bomb-proof?  A "simple" matter to mount the electrickery
somewhere safe from flooding.  Even the non-vortec version would
be a reasonable choice.  Anyone done one of these?

=====
Robert D. Ries
SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
"With friends like these..."

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:13:38 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Marins being offensive again!

"Anyway, if anyone by chance did take offense at the 
statement, none was intended."       -Marin

Well Marin, I am offended!! I am part Irish (well, my Dad's
stepmother was anyway...) and I didn't find it amusing at all. 
(snicker, snort, harumph...)  I say you owe me a pint, Guiness
of course, and a triple of Black Bush, as penalty.  I'm also
English-Scottish-French Cannuck-Indian-German-American, so don't
start anything or I'll drink you bankrupt!   :>))

=====
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SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:20 -0500
From: car4doc <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Engine swaps

Rob,
Yes I have done a 4.3 converstion & it is a perfect match of power to
the LR.  I was even able to use the stock radiator.  I have been
thinking about putting in a seconded one in my 88.  Like you I thought
it was a perfect match to my use of the 109 I have.
The LR gearing is stock so far & I think it will stay that way if
nothing demands replacing.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:07:25 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

Paul wrote:
> He was dressed in the "new
> fangled khaki".

:-{>} Yeah, the old scarlet tunic and white crossed webbing belts was
just too much of a temptation for the Boers with their 7 and 8mm
Mausers.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:22:05 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: LR's in the movies again?

Just looked (also got a T1 connection thak you IBM...). It's an FJ40 from
the look of it - that grille and the headlight spacing is pretty
distinctive.

               ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:48:18 -0400
From: "Lee Jones" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re-LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

You are right Alan - but the "take it to the shop" mentality has to be
tempered by understanding that on the RRO a fair proportion of the trucks
are in warrantee OR have some kind of ECU problem.  For the former there is
no option but to "TITTS" and for the latter, unless you are some kind of
whiz kid (like YOU :-)) there is little option other than finding a
replacement at a breakers...

Lee

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:38 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Re-LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

And the problem with the series list is it is full of people who know
something about leafsprung vehicles & little about Range Rovers.

TeriAnn Wakeman

Speak for yourself!

I will lay very long odds that many of us here have one of each...or in my
case more than one Series and a Range Rover as a parts hauler...8*)

Seriously, though, the folks here tend to be a lot more hands-on than the
RRO - where "take it to the shop" is often heard....

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:56:20 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Molson LR commercial

Has anyone seen the new <to me anyway> Molson commercial?

It is excellent!
It played three times last night during The Late Show here in PA <I think> ; )
It was a llA 109 *fully* loaded with gear up top and filled with a bunch of 
kids having too much fun. Showed them going through Canada customs, a long, 
lonely, top heavy sunset road shot, them pushing it through mud and water, 
playing in mud, a Freedom town sign. In the end it said "open for adventure".

It could have been an actual *Series* LR commercial.....hm.....must get my 
water tested : ))

I searched the adcritic site and it wasn't listed.
I hesitated posting to the list,  just incase it was all my 
imagination......I'm hoping for confirmation : )

Fire up the VCR : )

Lori in NE Pennsylvania
http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:21:28 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: In a fog

[email-masked] wrote:

> Where can you find the heated wind screen at a reasonable cost? What
> is the
> power draw of it, I heard for a questionable source they're a large
> electrical drain?

I inquired about these matters at a danish independent dealer a couple
of years ago. The price then was equivalent 250 punds sans tax and the
current draw was, as far as i remember, 9 amps per side.
If rotten wires and a questionable alternator is an issue, fit a switch
for each side. 95% of the viewing is through the driver side screen
anyway. You can also fit a spool resistor and three position switches to
keep the windscreen luke warm on days when temperature, air pressure and
dewpoint are at such levels that all your windows are constantly greyed
out.

Compared to non-heated windscreens of any modern car, the price seems
reasonable. I would invest in a pair myself, along with a heated rear
window (+ wiper) if not for the fact that every second year i expect the
mot inspector to rip off my license plates. Which, to my pleasant
surprise, hasn't happende yet.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:29:04 -0700
From: John Wang <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

Well, I'll see the previous owner of my 4x2 RR this weekend.  Donno how
it will turn out.   I just bought the hayes manual from british pacific
and if next week comes and I still have the RR I'll go ahead and get the
service manual and I guess that's when the fun will start. . .

British pacific was very helpful and refered me to a guy in. . in. . .
damn. .where is my palm. . . santa monica? for used parts and the front
drive shaft unit is actually not bad at $100 but the transaxle is going
to be around $1.4k . .ouch. . . we'll see what happens. . . should I
keep this RR or throw it back in the sea and look for a better one?

I got some practice rewiring/soldering the signal lights on my Honda
NT650, MIG welding a couple of the seat support brackets. . .wow..and
maybe i'll get move up to four wheels and work on the RR. . . . 

Thanks everyone for your advice and support,

JohnWang

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:29:06 -0700
From: John Wang <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

>FYI this is the Series Rover list.  There is a coil spring list that you
>will probably find more helpfull.

Thanks for the info, i'll sign on to the rro list as well then.

JohnWang

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:04:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Molson LR commercial

lori, i haven't seen it.  i will take
your word and buy some molson's ale for
the weekend.  too much is better than
not enough.  have a good weekend...  ray

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Lori Sickley wrote:

> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:56:20 -0400
> From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: LRO: Molson LR commercial
> 
> Has anyone seen the new <to me anyway> Molson commercial?
> 
> It is excellent!
> It played three times last night during The Late Show here in PA <I think> ; )
> It was a llA 109 *fully* loaded with gear up top and filled with a bunch of 
> kids having too much fun. Showed them going through Canada customs, a long, 
> lonely, top heavy sunset road shot, them pushing it through mud and water, 
> playing in mud, a Freedom town sign. In the end it said "open for adventure".
> 
> It could have been an actual *Series* LR commercial.....hm.....must get my 
> water tested : ))
> 
> I searched the adcritic site and it wasn't listed.
> I hesitated posting to the list,  just incase it was all my 
> imagination......I'm hoping for confirmation : )
> 
> Fire up the VCR : )
> 
> Lori in NE Pennsylvania
> http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html
> 

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:18:18 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Missing Front Drive Shaft

Joh, were I you I'd get a front driveshaft on it and see what kind of
crunchy noises it makes in full-time 4WD with the centre diff unlocked. Do
this beforee you see the DPO (dreaded previous owner).

It may well be that all it was was a bad driveshaft and everything else is
OK. Have you actually jacked up the front wheel and turned it to see what
the diff output flange did? I'd try that ASAP. If the front end is actually
working it may well all be OK.

Also, you do realize that you don't need to swap the tranny with the
transfer case - they can be replaced individually. THis is known as don't
replace it all when you don't have to.....

Lastly, the transfer case in the truck is not bad to rebuild - I've known
folks to do them without too insane much difficulty. It's just a damn
gearbox with a diff....nowhwere near as bad as an auto tranny or the like
to do or have done.

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:24:07 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO:  Guinness/ old wars

Caught a portion of History Channel this morning which featured the Zulu
wars. The Martini-Henry Rifle was used there and the rate of fire initially
was such that many soldiers were firing at arms length because of bruised
shoulders and hands were burnt by hot barrels. This resulted in poor
accuracy and the problem was aggravated by the slow delivery of ammunition
due to secure ammunition boxes and quartermasters regulations.

	The other (possible) South African connection is that a Commandant 
	Lonsdale was sole survivor of Isandlwana. I guess he had a fast
horse 
	and was sent for re-inforcements! Probably could have used a V8 90..

	 Paul Lonsdale

Quartermaster---- Would you like a Martini Henry?

Commandant Henry Lonsdale---No thanks, I'd prefer a White Horse

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:31:48 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: GBR MANUAL DIFF LOCKS 

Does anybody run these?  I was checking them out at the site and they seem
beautifully simple and low tech, a goal in my Lightweight buildup.  Also, is
it just a tist of one side of the hubs, or do you have to twist both of
them?  Also, any experience with them would be appreciated.  I've been
wanting to go on some of the trails the jeepers here go on, but they seem to
be running lockers most of the time.  I of course will try without first,
just thought I'd hear some info on them from the crew.  

Matt

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:36:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: window fogging

Maybe someone has already suggested this and I missed it, but two words   
folks:  Ivory soap.  rub it on dry andsmear it around.  Works as well or   
better than the stuff made by rain X, in my experience here in the damp   
NW US.
Simon

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