Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #402

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:04:57 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Sunday, June 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 402

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 01 09:42:03 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Front right 

>I fixed brakes the other day. Bought  4 new wheel cyls, 4 new brake shoes,
>serviced master cyl. bleeded the system. Brakes are working like
>rocket...except... front right wheel has lower braking power than other 3.

Have you checked the condition of the rubber hoses?  If the front tight 
one is in bad shape it might bleed off hydraluic pressure by balloning a 
little.

TeriAnn         
                      http://www.overlander.net

  The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners
  with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 01 10:19:19 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

>We do not drink it cold, and we do not drink it warm either, we drink it the
>temperature that it comes up from the cellar from it's keg to the tap. Pub
>cellars are cold dank places full of pipes, barrels, crates, tools cobwebs 
>and Series I Landrover parts. 

That sounds about right to me. Many people think the best celler 
conditions are in the 50-55 degree range with high humidity to keep the 
corks from drying out too much.  I prefer my ales about 20 degrees colder 
than ambient or 50 degrees whichever is warmer.  Refigerators get it much 
too cold and to me ale that cold tastes wrong.

TeriAnn         
                      http://www.overlander.net

  The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners
  with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:26:12 -0600
From: Jeremy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!  Oh, and LRO
content... Still looking to buy a sIII or sIIa.  If anyone is trying to
sell either, or a rangie, in Colorado, US area, lemme know! :)

thx,
- -j

TeriAnn Wakeman enlightened recipients with the following on 09Jun2001:
> >We do not drink it cold, and we do not drink it warm either, we drink it the
> >temperature that it comes up from the cellar from it's keg to the tap. Pub
> >cellars are cold dank places full of pipes, barrels, crates, tools cobwebs 
> >and Series I Landrover parts. 
> 
> That sounds about right to me. Many people think the best celler 
> conditions are in the 50-55 degree range with high humidity to keep the 
> corks from drying out too much.  I prefer my ales about 20 degrees colder 
> than ambient or 50 degrees whichever is warmer.  Refigerators get it much 
> too cold and to me ale that cold tastes wrong.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 01 11:49:23 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

>Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry! 

Now I really have to look for that recipe for Guiness steak pie.

LR content:  The best Guiness steak pie I have had so far is served in a 
pub at The annual Billing Aquadrome where the Billing LR meet is held.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:22:01 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

Hi All--

Jeremy wrote:
> 
> Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!  Oh, and LRO
> content... Still looking to buy a sIII or sIIa.  If anyone is trying to
> sell either, or a rangie, in Colorado, US area, lemme know! :)
> 

I know of a 1963 sII here in Salt Lake City.  That's not too far from
Colorado, you know.  It's been for sale for a couple of months now. 
It's in good condition; I've driven it.  I have no idea what the
seller's asking price is.

Write to me offlist and I'll send you the seller's name and phone
number.

Metta,
Ivan
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:48:48 -0400
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!
>
> Now I really have to look for that recipe for Guiness steak pie.
>
If anyone knows of a good steak and Guinness pie recipe, please pass it
along, especially if it includes kidney

LR Content: Anyone have any tips on brazing in replacement footwells, I am
hoping to start on this next week, so that I can continue with the
frameover. Also, is there a colour refernce for the "tombraider"
landrover. Since I cant afford to buy one, I might as well paint it the
same colour.

Michael Hatton

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:10:53 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer

tomraider 110  is Bonatti Grey.

Adam

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:11:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Michael Hatton wrote:

:
:LR Content: Anyone have any tips on brazing in replacement footwells, I am
:hoping to start on this next week, so that I can continue with the

One tip.  Don't braze them in, weld them.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:19:03 +0100
From: Andy Smith <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

In message <002201c0f0f1$91a88960$422efea9@DarylHillman>, Kirk Hillman
<[email-masked]> writes
>Okay, all ye Brits.  I have a very serious question to ask.  Last night
>while out for dinner a friend ordered a Guinness... but only if this
>establishment served them cold.  My friend understands that the proper way
>to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we understand
>you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
>real scoop?

Kirk, I loathe warm beer. My beer has to be cold especially Guinness. I
had a Guinness once that was warm it was horrible.
- ---
Andy Smith
England

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:58:56 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: HELP, need a series shifter ASAP

Hi all, 

HELP!!!!! 

As most who've owned a series vehicle for a few years know, one day your shifter will break off in your hand. 
Well, today it's happened to me in Fredericksburg, 50 miles from home. 

If anyone on the list has a spare shifter assembly, 
please call me at 540-899-3946 
or on my cell phone at 804-240-4344 

If you can get it to me here, it'd be great or I can arange to come to you to get it.  

None the less, I need one ASAP. 

By the way, Sandy and Mike it is the very same shifter on my ex-MoD Series III 109 we worked worked on in front of Sandy's back in February. 

Cheers, 
Ray Burton 

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:38:20 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: British Beer

Mark Pilkington writes: >>>Ding Ding. Right you lot, out, I'll not be
telling you again!!
> Bloody hell, time for a curry already!<<<

Mike Harding says brewers put something in beer that makes you want a curry
afterwards. He's right.

BTW Mark, 24 hour opening hours are on the way. Sob, no more 'last orders'
sob...

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:34:29 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

Kirk,
It's all in the misunderstanding. We always thought we drank cold beer 'till
you lot started coming over here and told us it was warm...
 Nowadays lots of Brits insist on having bottles/cans etc off the cold shelf
or even from the fridge. This is, of course, trendy copying of you lot and
totally unnecessary except on the really hot days we get in this
country.That's about five days in a year (in a really good year).
 We have a saying, there is no such thing as bad beer, just that some beers
are better than others (unless you are talking about Stones' Bitter -
yeeech)
 BTW - Guinnes is Irish, not British (but no worse for that, still nectar)
 We were once on our way to Dublin where I told my son he'd get a 'real'
pint of Guinness. He, a 'seasoned' drinker who'd seen and tasted it all went
'Oh, yeah, sure' humouring the old man.
 Sat down in McDonnels and got ourselves a pint. He took a taste and
enlightenment dawned...
You have NOT tasted Guinness until you've tasted it in Dublin. Trust me...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Hillman <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: LRO: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

> Okay, all ye Brits.  I have a very serious question to ask.  Last night
> while out for dinner a friend ordered a Guinness... but only if this
> establishment served them cold.  My friend understands that the proper way
> to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we
understand
> you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
> real scoop?
>     LR content?  When I took this friend and another out in the 88" for
the
> first time, we had just returned from a nice camping trip.  We were still
in
> the mood for fun so we hopped in the rover and I played up and down on the
> treed hillsides of the farm.  They were drinking Guinness at the time (I
> don't drink when I drive, ride or otherwise operate any kind of
equipment.)
> It's probably a good thing they were drinking too, I am quite sure at
least
> one of them would have soiled his shorts if they hadn't.  I was out
walking
> the other day and looked at some of the places we went.  I am clinically
> insane!  One hill we traversed down at a 45 degree angle... and the
> inclinometer reads 45 degrees.  The rover felt stable too (to me at least
> ;-)
>
> Kirk
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:55:14 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer

Steak and Guinness Pie and Steak and Kidney Pie are two different dishes .

I've been mithering my wife - the world's greatest cook - for some of her
traditional British recipes for someone on this list for ages now. She
always says that she doesn't know how she does it, she jest does it.
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was British Beer

>
>
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>
> > >Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!
> >
> > Now I really have to look for that recipe for Guiness steak pie.
> >
> If anyone knows of a good steak and Guinness pie recipe, please pass it
> along, especially if it includes kidney
>
> LR Content: Anyone have any tips on brazing in replacement footwells, I am
> hoping to start on this next week, so that I can continue with the
> frameover. Also, is there a colour refernce for the "tombraider"
> landrover. Since I cant afford to buy one, I might as well paint it the
> same colour.
>
> Michael Hatton
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: HELP, need a series shifter ASAP

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

:Hi all,
:
:HELP!!!!!
:
:As most who've owned a series vehicle for a few years know, one day your shifter will break off in your hand.
:Well, today it's happened to me in Fredericksburg, 50 miles from home.
:
:If anyone on the list has a spare shifter assembly,
:please call me at 540-899-3946
:or on my cell phone at 804-240-4344
:
:If you can get it to me here, it'd be great or I can arange to come to you to get it.

You can weld the one you've got.  Depending on where it broke, you may be
able to do it without taking it off.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 12:20:33 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was British Beer

The sign of a really good cook.  Dishes don't come from a recipe but divine 
inspiration.  My grandmother used to describe her recipe's as a 'puckle' of 
this and that.  No one bothered to ask here what a 'puckle' was, if she 
could have quantified it herself.

Maybe one day, will get to the auld sod and sample a real beer.

Hear that Guiness is closing one of its breweries in Ireland.  Disagreement 
over the severance package as the workers were asking for free beer for 
life.  Don't know if that was their only demand.

Aloha
Peter O

>From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "lro list" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:55:14 +0100
>
>Steak and Guinness Pie and Steak and Kidney Pie are two different dishes .
>
>I've been mithering my wife - the world's greatest cook - for some of her
>traditional British recipes for someone on this list for ages now. She
>always says that she doesn't know how she does it, she jest does it.
>Best Cheers
>
>Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Hatton <[email-masked]>
>To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:48 PM
>Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was British Beer
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> >
> > > >Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!
> > >
> > > Now I really have to look for that recipe for Guiness steak pie.
> > >
> > If anyone knows of a good steak and Guinness pie recipe, please pass it
> > along, especially if it includes kidney
> >
> > LR Content: Anyone have any tips on brazing in replacement footwells, I 
>am
> > hoping to start on this next week, so that I can continue with the
> > frameover. Also, is there a colour refernce for the "tombraider"
> > landrover. Since I cant afford to buy one, I might as well paint it the
> > same colour.
> >
> > Michael Hatton
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:54:41 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

Well, I'm not a Brit, but I play one about once a year - slogging my way
around the place looking for Neolithic sites.
First, take your tongue, place it between your teeth and bite it. Guinness
is *Irish*
If you wanna piss off an Irishman, confuse him with an Englishman (double
for Scots, and at your mortal peril with a Welshman, although the two are
technically "Brits" - not the Dubliners who brew Guinness though. No way no
how).

Next, warm wouldn't be acurate, really. Purveyors of REAL beer on tap keep
it in cellar, and it doesn't get too hot or cold in the UK, so that keeps it
at a pretty nice 50 degrees or so - pretty much year round. Room
temperature, and the room is naturally cool...
The rule of thumb is:
Lagers - cold
Stouts and Porters - coolish
Ales - 50-55 degrees F.
Although I like 'em all in the 45-50 degree range. Makes it easier.
Best rule is to drink it the way you like it and tell the other folks to
piss off if they give you any grief.

Cheersh matesh (*hic*),
Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: LRO: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

> Okay, all ye Brits.  I have a very serious question to ask.  Last night
> while out for dinner a friend ordered a Guinness... but only if this
> establishment served them cold.  My friend understands that the proper way
> to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we
understand
> you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
> real scoop?
>     LR content?  When I took this friend and another out in the 88" for
the
> first time, we had just returned from a nice camping trip.  We were still
in
> the mood for fun so we hopped in the rover and I played up and down on the
> treed hillsides of the farm.  They were drinking Guinness at the time (I
> don't drink when I drive, ride or otherwise operate any kind of
equipment.)
> It's probably a good thing they were drinking too, I am quite sure at
least
> one of them would have soiled his shorts if they hadn't.  I was out
walking
> the other day and looked at some of the places we went.  I am clinically
> insane!  One hill we traversed down at a 45 degree angle... and the
> inclinometer reads 45 degrees.  The rover felt stable too (to me at least
> ;-)
>
> Kirk
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:26:37 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

Isn't that the one YOU were going to get for your "research, honest, dear"!!
Go on!!
Hows the post-lady coming along btw, did she drive a L-R in the end?
Brgds
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 09 June 2001 20:31
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

>Hi All--
>
>Jeremy wrote:
>> 
>> Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!  Oh, and LRO
>> content... Still looking to buy a sIII or sIIa.  If anyone is trying to
>> sell either, or a rangie, in Colorado, US area, lemme know! :)
>> 
>
>I know of a 1963 sII here in Salt Lake City.  That's not too far from
>Colorado, you know.  It's been for sale for a couple of months now. 
>It's in good condition; I've driven it.  I have no idea what the
>seller's asking price is.
>
>Write to me offlist and I'll send you the seller's name and phone
>number.
>
>Metta,
>Ivan
>----------------------------------------------
>Ivan Van Laningham
>Symantec
>http://www.pauahtun.org/
>http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
>Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
>Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:09:46 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Guinness

Never having eaten Steak & Kidney Pie with Guinness (google found a recipe 
here http://www.e-celtic.com/steakkidpiew.html ) I can't say if it is the 
real thing or not.....but as long as you are contemplating the use of 
perfectly good beer in recipes, beer butt chicken is about the best use of 
canned beer for cooking that I am aware of and you can eat the chicken at 
any temperature you like : )

Just saw this method the other morning on a NY news program, appears to be 
a take on an upright chicken roaster. They didn't post the recipe so I had 
to prepare it from memory. I'm probably the last person to know about this 
but had to give it a go. It's really worth it : )

They used a grill with the hot coals moved to the perimeter and cooked it 
for about two to three hours, or until done. The grill lid needs to be able 
to clear the top of the chicken when the can is placed on the grill too.

I did mine in the oven after lowering the rack, sitting on a pan for an 
hour and a half at 350 degrees.

Beer Butt Chicken or
Guinness Beer Butt Chicken if you are so inclined : )

Get a can of beer. Drink half the can.
Take a whole chicken 3 1/2 lbs or so remove giblets and rinse it well .
Coat the chicken liberally with coarse salt and Mrs. Dash Tomato Basil 
Garlic Seasoning.
Place the half full or half empty : ) beer can onto a baking pan and pop 
the chicken's cavity on top of it so it's standing upright. Add a couple 
tablespoons of butter at the neck opening.

Cook until done. Approx 1 1/2 hours by oven or longer on the grill.

Sorry, LR content.........prepare as above but place chicken near engine 
and drive up to Silver Lake, Ontario for the OVLR Birthday Party : )

Have lunch already prepared when you arrive : )

Lori in PA
The kids showed up in LROI April issue club of the month cover : )
Anyone have an original they would part with? Only have the scan.....
http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LROI_0401_300x217.JPEG
http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:56:54 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

>  We have a saying, there is no such thing as bad beer, just that some
beers
> are better than others (unless you are talking about Stones' Bitter -
> yeeech)

Frank-

Are these the same folks who make the Ginger wine?
I love that stuff.
Don't know about the beer though. What part of the island is it from?

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 20:59:20 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Solex rebuild update

Hey,

Success is mine!!!

My original work on the Solex was flawed because I had a seal on backwards and the plastic base plate was cracked allowing all types of problems to ensue.

With Bearmach rebuild kit in hand, I sat down and rebuilt it again today and replaced the plastic base at the same time.  Dry as a bone now, no gas leaks anywhere.

Still up for sale, just thought I'd share a little.  

Ron Ward

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:13:41 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

I lived in Britain for more than a few years as a
serviceman serving in the US Forces. I had a
mate that I guess work for a beer distributor.
One of his tasks was to test the way Guinness
was served, so I learned a lot about one of
my favorite beers. Guinness should be chilled
no matter where you get it. It should not be
served at a temperature of more than 44°F
(6.7°C). Most setups chill the barrel to
37°F (2.8°C) to ensure it will be served at
the correct temperature. Pressure should be
around 35psi and a combination of Nitrogen
and Carbon Dioxide must be used. I believe
the optimum mix is 77% and 23% respectively.
Oh and Nitrogen is used because it creates
smaller bubbles than carbon dioxide, hence the
distinguishable head on a pint of Guinness.
While it may be hard to measure the pressure,
they time how long it takes to fill a proper
Imperial pint (20oz.). I seem to remember
40-45 seconds is correct, but may be wrong.
The result of proper temperature, gas mixture,
and pressure is a creamy head that is present
until the pint is completely drank.

How many have been served a pint with
a shamrock design drawn into the head? A
perfect pint of Guinness will hold the design
until the pint is finished.

Those draught Guinness cans work fairly
well because they have a small bubble
filled with Nitrogen in the can. When the can is
opened the Nitrogen rushes out of the ball and
into the stout creating the creamy head.

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 20:26:50 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

Hi All--

Phil Norris wrote:
> 
> Isn't that the one YOU were going to get for your "research, honest, dear"!!
> Go on!!

Yes, it's that one, but I never was going to buy it.  I tried to
convince my wife that she would really like it, but I'm afraid I
failed.  She thinks a car is just a car.

Today, we were out driving around and saw a green something-or-other
pass us with "Deb's Toy" artfully painted on the trunk lid in a 50's
Starlight Drive-In font.  Audrey looked at it, and said, "I'm going to
paint 'Audrey's Transportation if She's not Taking the Bus' on the trunk
of the Nissan."

I encouraged her to do so, once I had managed to stop laughing.

> Hows the post-lady coming along btw, did she drive a L-R in the end?
> 

Indeed.  The story's turning into a book; there will be some nice Landy
bits in there.

>Brgds
> PhilN

Metta,
Ivan

PS:  I drove by the '63 sII today, and it's still for sale.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Date: 09 June 2001 20:31
> Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer
> 
> >Hi All--
> >
> >Jeremy wrote:
> >>
> >> Man.. talking about Guiness and Curry.  Damn I'm hungry!  Oh, and LRO
> >> content... Still looking to buy a sIII or sIIa.  If anyone is trying to
> >> sell either, or a rangie, in Colorado, US area, lemme know! :)
> >>
> >
> >I know of a 1963 sII here in Salt Lake City.  That's not too far from
> >Colorado, you know.  It's been for sale for a couple of months now.
> >It's in good condition; I've driven it.  I have no idea what the
> >seller's asking price is.
> >
> >Write to me offlist and I'll send you the seller's name and phone
> >number.
> >
> >Metta,
> >Ivan
> >----------------------------------------------
> >Ivan Van Laningham
> >Symantec
> >http://www.pauahtun.org/
> >http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
> >Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
> >Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

- -- 
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:38:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
:
:Yes, it's that one, but I never was going to buy it.  I tried to
:convince my wife that she would really like it, but I'm afraid I
:failed.  She thinks a car is just a car.

Heck, *I* think a car is just a car.  A Land-Rover, on the other hand,
is clearly not a car.  It's a way of life.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:55:33 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: British Beer

>  A Land-Rover, on the other hand,
> is clearly not a car.  It's a way of life.
> 

Well put David, sounds like a bumper stcker....or better yet  a tattoo.

Pete

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:02:29 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: galvanized cappings / tri-valent chromium

John Cranfield wrote:
 
> I believe our local chemical supplier prefers organic chemicals :)
> John and Muddy

Hmm, I though .ca was Canada, sounds more like Kalifornia :-{)}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:16:14 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Help, importing Landy stuff to the US

Hi All,

I am almost finished with a major rebuild on my 88" Series 111.

I have just had a Fakawi canvas fitted to my tilt (images at
http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-303s.jpg
http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-304s.jpg
http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-305s.jpg

The folk at Fakawi are about to start exporting to the States, and want
to know what costs they will incur for shipping and any import duties,
etc. Can anyone help with this info?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:46:41 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Alternatives (was Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X))

Not much of a Guiness man myself. Prefer a cool Belgian Rochefort or Leffe
Brune instead. Be sure to use a glass, or you will get the yeast in the
bottom of the bottle.

Especially the Leffe goes well with steamed mussels with fries.

Relevance: You might try out some of the 300 different Belgian beer if you
go to the Belgian National. Pity i'm always working during that event. Pity
it costs about 15 litres of Duckhams to get there......

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:51:42 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Help, importing Landy stuff to the US

Were the folks at Fakawi familiar with the old "lost tribe" joke when
they selected their name?
John and Muddy

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am almost finished with a major rebuild on my 88" Series 111.
> 
> I have just had a Fakawi canvas fitted to my tilt (images at
> http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-303s.jpg
> http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-304s.jpg
> http://adventures.co.za/landy/mvc-305s.jpg
> 
> The folk at Fakawi are about to start exporting to the States, and want
> to know what costs they will incur for shipping and any import duties,
> etc. Can anyone help with this info?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:16:50 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Help, importing Landy stuff to the US

Hi All--

John Cranfield wrote:
> 
> Were the folks at Fakawi familiar with the old "lost tribe" joke when
> they selected their name?

http://www.panbox.com/fakawi/welcome.hts?history

<doing-my-bit-to-make-your-day-a-little-more-surreal>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:45:50 -0600
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

Dear List,
    Thanks goes out to all in response to my Guinness question.  I also
apologize for giving the impression that I thought Guinness is an English
ale.  The reason I asked regarding English is because I was sure there would
be far more on this list than the Guinness homeland.  I am most grateful to
Mr. Tompkins, for I plan on simply printing your little message and handing
it to the questioning fellow.

Kirk Hillman

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:13:46 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE; Galvy cappings

I paint them with Hammerite paint, they have a nice silver color (colour),
then go over that with a clear coat (ie Por-15) type for
longer life and UV protection. Looks rather nice. In fact AB used to
recommend this for the cappings, side pieces and wire grill.

Jim Wolf

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:25:59 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

Somehow, I don't think meldted plastic widget butt chicken would taste
too good. Maybe it is best to use non-widget or metal widget beers for
this.

Lori Sickley wrote:
>  
> Beer Butt Chicken or
> Guinness Beer Butt Chicken if you are so inclined : )
> 
> Get a can of beer. Drink half the can.
> Take a whole chicken 3 1/2 lbs or so remove giblets and rinse it well .
> Coat the chicken liberally with coarse salt and Mrs. Dash Tomato Basil
> Garlic Seasoning.
> Place the half full or half empty : ) beer can onto a baking pan and pop
> the chicken's cavity on top of it so it's standing upright. 
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:17:39 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

>Jim Hall replied:
>Somehow, I don't think meldted plastic widget butt chicken would taste
>too good. Maybe it is best to use non-widget or metal widget beers for
>this.

Ah, so true!  Good point. Need a disclaimer for Guinness cans!
Forgot about the little rocket inside since I didn't waste a really good 
beer for the chicken : ) Slummed with McSorley's B&T instead. Didn't tell 
the whole story either. Only beer in stock was packaged in glass so I 
improvised by using an emptied soda can filled half way with beer as a 
substitute. The show host, who enquired as to the possible toxicity of the 
can printing, was told it was tested and isn't a problem......but who 
really knows.

Still recommend you try the recipe sans plastic : )

Lori in PA
http://www.gotsoap.com

>Lori Sickley wrote:
> >
> > Beer Butt Chicken or
> > Guinness Beer Butt Chicken if you are so inclined : )
> >
> > Get a can of beer. Drink half the can.
> > Take a whole chicken 3 1/2 lbs or so remove giblets and rinse it well .
> > Coat the chicken liberally with coarse salt and Mrs. Dash Tomato Basil
> > Garlic Seasoning.
> > Place the half full or half empty : ) beer can onto a baking pan and pop
> > the chicken's cavity on top of it so it's standing upright.
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:58:34 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

Alex wrote: >>>unless you are talking about Stones' Bitter -
> > yeeech)
>
>
> Frank-
>
> Are these the same folks who make the Ginger wine?<<<

goodness I hope not. I doubt it very much tho' as I agree with you Stones
Ginger Wine is great. It's a Winter drink here, goes very nice in the
hipflask on a cold day walking or fishing...(not driving, obviously)
 Ever mix it with whiskey for a genuine 'Scot's Mac' ?

(ok, anyone notice my deliberate mistake?)

Not sure where Stones' bitter comes from... well, probably a toilet
somewhere...

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:25:08 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness

Kirk, you didn't write English, you wrote British.
 Scots, Welsh and English are British, Irish are Irish.
 Yeah, as the Irish can live here without a passport, and vote in our
elections (phtew) and we can do the same over there it does seem a bit odd.
But don't let it bother you, when I worked in the States I caused a small
commotion one evening in a bar in Georgia when I said: 'Ah, but you
Yanks...'
then again, a lister took umbrage when I called you lot colonials once...
:-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:51:06 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Engine/Trans Swap

I have come up with the ideal engine/trans swap for my series IIA.  GM 2.5 inline 4 (or mercruiser 3.0), and an SM420 truck transmission mated to the stock LR trans case.  1st gear on the SM420 is 7.05:1, and 4th is 1:1.  This transmission with an Ashcroft converted transfer case or overdrive, and 4.10:1 gears in the axles would give approximately 95 mph at 3000 rpm, with 33" tires.  This will also give a 85:1 crawl ratio, right in the ideal range for rock crawling.  My question is, has anybody done such a swap?  I know Timm has a SM420 (or SM465) in his 109, but anybody else?  BTW, If you have a problem with me modifying my truck to better suit the purpose I need it for, please keep it to yourself.  Lets not start the whole Hybrid war again.  If you dont have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself : )

Thanks,
Adam

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:54:24 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

>My friend understands that the proper way
>to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we
understand
>you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
>real scoop?

Nonsense. I may not be a Brit but I've spent enough time there - and I've
never had Guinness served to me icy cold. It's simply not done - as we all
know the Brits have only recently discovered refrigeration....8*)

Now Newcastle Brown Ale I might agree with you on - but Guinness is served
at cellar temperature (45-50) and no colder in England or Ireland.

I've spent many a fuzzy evening sucking down pints in both places....and
never ran across iced Guinness.

                    ajr

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:59:48 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kate and Sidney Pie, was  British Beer

 Anyone have any tips on brazing in replacement footwells, I am
hoping to start on this next week, so that I can continue with the
frameover.

Yup - brazing is right out on structural steel (which anything attached to
the bulkhead is) Find a weldor and save yourself a lot of grief.

Brazes, because they are not metal fusion, will crack and fail. Not a good
idea....also against the law in inspection depending on the state.

I've seen brazed repairs after a while - one 88 I bought had brazed-on
outriggers - which had cracked along 3 sides and were peeling off the frame
underneath. The brazing had failed...not the metal substrate. That frame
got scrapped in a big hurry....

If you do all the prep and fitting getting the stuff welded should be cheap
enough...

                    ajr

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:02:56 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

You have NOT tasted Guinness until you've tasted it in Dublin. Trust me...
Best Cheers

Frank

FRANK RULES!

This is absolutely true - speaking as one who drank his way around the
coast of Ireland on holiday a few years ago...

I can no longer drink Guinness in the USA - the stuff that ends up over
here is swill compared to a properly built pint - preferably drunk in a
student pub near TCD...with gorgeous Irish coeds all over the place.

               ajr

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:10:23 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE; Galvy cappings

Rustoleum makes a product called "Hammered Finish" which is essentially
Hammerite in a spray can. It comes in many colors, is cheaper than
Hammerite, and can be purchased at any Lowes, Home Depot, etc.
The truck I'm building is slathered with the stuff.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: LRO: RE; Galvy cappings

> I paint them with Hammerite paint, they have a nice silver color (colour),
> then go over that with a clear coat (ie Por-15) type for
> longer life and UV protection. Looks rather nice. In fact AB used to
> recommend this for the cappings, side pieces and wire grill.
>
> Jim Wolf
>

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