Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #401

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:31:32 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Saturday, June 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 401

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:24:49 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: gear and transfer teach please AND ANOTHER Q

Thanks to all online and off who clarified the matter of FWHs for me.

Rich

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 01 08:31:07 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

>>The front wings of a Ninety/110 are straight swaps with those of the 109
>>
>> so where's the extra inch?
>
>The bulkhead is one inch thicker???

Nope that's not it.  The Defender uses thinner sheet metal than the 
Series II.

According to Land Rover sales publication# LR335

   The overall length of a One Ten regular is 175 inches 
      (THe stationwagon is longer)

According to "Land Rover Technical Details, October 1971", Publiccation 
#806/10.71

   Overall length of a 109 is 175 inches.

So maybe they just did a better job of centering the rear wheel in the 
wheel well opening.

If you look at a series rig from the side the rear wheel is noticably 
forward of the wheel well centre.

I know someone who centered the rear wheels in the wheel well of his 88.  
He created a Series II 91.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:55:17 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

The extra inch is in the wheel base NOT the body length.
The rear wheel sit an inch further back in the rear wheel arch.
John and Muddy

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > >  The front wings of a Ninety/110 are straight swaps with those of the
> 109
> > >
> > > so where's the extra inch?
> 
> The bulkhead is one inch thicker???

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 01 09:01:57 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

>> so where's the extra inch?
>
>Collective inaccuracy? :-)

No.  People are just confusing the wheelbase with the frame length and 
body length.

If I were to centre the rear wheel of my 109 in the rear wheel arch I 
would have a 111.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:07:33 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

> Nope that's not it.  The Defender uses thinner sheet metal than the
> Series II.

What about the alum panels, are they thinner also?

> I know someone who centered the rear wheels in the wheel well of his 88.
> He created a Series II 91.
>
Timm?

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:36:27 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

Dave Scheidt earns a gold star for that tip! Did a spring cleaning on 
FINSUP yesterday--hosed her down and gave a quick sponge bath to 
remove accumulated pollen, sap and bird droppings...got the sludge 
out of the footwells and off the rear deck...and wiped the dust off 
the instrument panels and tuffy box. I also did the windshield glass 
(inside and out) with citrus degreaser, glass cleaner and acetone 
followed by Rain-X. The acetone really makes it easy to buff the 
Rain-X clear. Didn't notice any steaks or haze at all last 
night--will keep you posted. I recommend this extra step--but, as 
Dave was kind enough to remind me, remember that acetone is a solvent 
and will do a number on your paint. You were warned, no whining.

Also cleaned out the K&N using compressed air and gasoline. Large 
quantities of dust and mud came flying out. Re-oiled it with the 
"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think 
I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine. Carb seems to be 
breathing better--I can hear it sucking again. Must be the "special" 
oil.

One bad point--I think I burned my compressor out in the process. 15 
years old--and lead a hard life for the first five powering air tools 
for various outdoor theaters I was working with. Might be okay after 
a long cooldown. If not, the next one will be more powerful and have 
a larger tank.

Still need to do the glass in the doortops too--they weren't with me yesterday.

jeff

- -- 
==
  Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                   [email-masked]
                    ==================
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	None but our self can free our mind...
	...Redemption Song.
			--Bob Marley

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Date: 8 Jun 2001 10:29:07 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

It was a trick question....er that's it.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Fri, 08 June 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> 
> >> so where's the extra inch?
> >
> >Collective inaccuracy? :-)
> 
> No.  People are just confusing the wheelbase with the frame length and 
> body length.
> 
> If I were to centre the rear wheel of my 109 in the rear wheel arch I 
> would have a 111.
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
> Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
> [email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
>                               and more
> 
> http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:50:18 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

What!!!  You tryin' to ruin the reputation of us Series owners??  Next your 
going to wax the bugga and hang one of those perfumey things from the 
mirror!!  Bad Form!!  Official Rover Owner's Manual, that's the manual for 
the owner, not the truck, says "Hose off anything that could be home for 
seeds, wouldn't want to start a garden, and put away wet".

Aloha
Peter O

>From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
>Dave Scheidt earns a gold star for that tip! Did a spring cleaning on
>FINSUP yesterday--hosed her down and gave a quick sponge bath to
>remove accumulated pollen, sap and bird droppings...got the sludge
>out of the footwells and off the rear deck...and wiped the dust off
>the instrument panels and tuffy box. I also did the windshield glass
>(inside and out) with citrus degreaser, glass cleaner and acetone
>followed by Rain-X. The acetone really makes it easy to buff the
>Rain-X clear. Didn't notice any steaks or haze at all last
>night--will keep you posted. I recommend this extra step--but, as
>Dave was kind enough to remind me, remember that acetone is a solvent
>and will do a number on your paint. You were warned, no whining.
>
>Also cleaned out the K&N using compressed air and gasoline. Large
>quantities of dust and mud came flying out. Re-oiled it with the
>"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think
>I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine. Carb seems to be
>breathing better--I can hear it sucking again. Must be the "special"
>oil.
>
>One bad point--I think I burned my compressor out in the process. 15
>years old--and lead a hard life for the first five powering air tools
>for various outdoor theaters I was working with. Might be okay after
>a long cooldown. If not, the next one will be more powerful and have
>a larger tank.
>
>Still need to do the glass in the doortops too--they weren't with me 
>yesterday.
>
>jeff
>
>
>--
>==
>  Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
>                   [email-masked]
>                    ==================
>	Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
>	None but our self can free our mind...
>	...Redemption Song.
>			--Bob Marley

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 01 10:51:24 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

>> Nope that's not it.  The Defender uses thinner sheet metal than the
>> Series II.
>
>What about the alum panels, are they thinner also?

Yes

>> I know someone who centered the rear wheels in the wheel well of his 88.
>> He created a Series II 91.
>>
>Timm?

Yes

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:52:02 -0400
From: Russ Burns <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X (compressor)

If you  run it off extension cords, a small one may be better.

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:12:49 -0400 
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

hahaha, I just put one of those pine scent leave things on my rear view
mirror last week.  Why?  Because it's always pine fresh!  I have no roof, no
hardtop, no softtop.  It's these things that make owning a Series great!

Matt Peckham
74 Lightweight.
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ogilvie [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:50 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

What!!!  You tryin' to ruin the reputation of us Series owners??  Next your 
going to wax the bugga and hang one of those perfumey things from the 
mirror!!  Bad Form!!  Official Rover Owner's Manual, that's the manual for 
the owner, not the truck, says "Hose off anything that could be home for 
seeds, wouldn't want to start a garden, and put away wet".

Aloha
Peter O

>From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
>Dave Scheidt earns a gold star for that tip! Did a spring cleaning on
>FINSUP yesterday--hosed her down and gave a quick sponge bath to
>remove accumulated pollen, sap and bird droppings...got the sludge
>out of the footwells and off the rear deck...and wiped the dust off
>the instrument panels and tuffy box. I also did the windshield glass
>(inside and out) with citrus degreaser, glass cleaner and acetone
>followed by Rain-X. The acetone really makes it easy to buff the
>Rain-X clear. Didn't notice any steaks or haze at all last
>night--will keep you posted. I recommend this extra step--but, as
>Dave was kind enough to remind me, remember that acetone is a solvent
>and will do a number on your paint. You were warned, no whining.
>
>Also cleaned out the K&N using compressed air and gasoline. Large
>quantities of dust and mud came flying out. Re-oiled it with the
>"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think
>I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine. Carb seems to be
>breathing better--I can hear it sucking again. Must be the "special"
>oil.
>
>One bad point--I think I burned my compressor out in the process. 15
>years old--and lead a hard life for the first five powering air tools
>for various outdoor theaters I was working with. Might be okay after
>a long cooldown. If not, the next one will be more powerful and have
>a larger tank.
>
>Still need to do the glass in the doortops too--they weren't with me 
>yesterday.
>
>jeff
>
>
>--
>==
>  Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
>                   [email-masked]
>                    ==================
>	Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
>	None but our self can free our mind...
>	...Redemption Song.
>			--Bob Marley

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:13:00 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: galvanized cappings

I just paint right over everything :-)>
others pick out the galv bits in silver paint, yet others (in the UK at
least) pick them out in black paint, it can look quite effective with the
right colour scheme.
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Williams II <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:29 PM
Subject: LRO: galvanized cappings

> When people paint their Series trucks what do they do about the galvanized
> body cappings and other realed galv'd bits?
>
> Leave them be?  Paint them?  Re-galvy?
>
> And on the rear tub, those dome-shaped rivets look like they could be
> trouble - and what about replacing them?
>
> On the galv'd bits, were they originally hot-dipped or were they
> electro-plated Zn?
>
> Now I am not, I repeat NOT, making this any sort of show truck.  All I
want
> to do is a nice respectable job that the truck rightly deserves.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
> SII 109SW
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:30:50 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X (compressor)

Ogilvie:
>Hose off anything that could be home for seeds, wouldn't want to 
>start a garden, and put away wet".

Uhhh...that's exactly what I did. You didn't see any references to 
chamois drying or wax, did you? There's still a few patches of mud on 
the sides--I really only gave it a quick going over. Solar power was 
used for all drying.

My allergies pretty much dictate that the yellow pollen dust had to 
go--particularly for topless motoring. Seeds could have easily taken 
root in the footwells and rear deck.  Bird poop is just plain ugly to 
look at--not to mention unpleasant to sit on when using the wings as 
lounge chairs. Passenger compartment was sufficiently grungy to 
provide a hazard to my clothing (not that big a deal most of the 
time--but the skipper doesn't like it when I show up wearing a "white 
with khaki spots" crew shirt) or that of my passengers (sometimes an 
issue if I'm using the "roadster" for a night on the town.)

I assure you, the end result of the bath is a vehicle that's still 
Roveresque, just a little more pleasant to ride in. Besides, I'm in 
the habit of taking care of my tools, and the Rover qualifies as such.

Burns:
>If you  run it off extension cords, a small one may be better.

Extension cord was only 20' and of sufficient wire gauge that voltage 
drop shouldn't have been an issue. Been using the same set up for a 
long time. (Now back in the days of theatre work, this thing used to 
be forced to run off 150' drops--not the best thing for it, I'll 
admit.) What I don't think it liked very much was the constant duty 
cycle from "constant" of the blower-nozzle when cleaning the air 
filter. Anyhow, hopefully it heals itself.

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                     [email-masked]
                      ==================
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	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life, 
	I can see it no other way.
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:29:33 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

It would appear that the names of the replacements for the Series III Rovers 
was marketing, not reality, driven.  Since the Defender Name hadn't been 
attached yet, they needed a way to differentiat between the new trucks, 
which should have been called the Series IVs, and the Series IIIs.  Looks 
like ersatz wheelbase numbers were the way they did it.  the 93" wheelbase 
became the 90 'cause it sounded better than a 93.  No one has definitively 
stated that the 110 is actually a 110" wheel base.  With the bodywork being 
identical, in dimensions, to the 109, it could be that the marketing boys 
just decided to call the 'New Series IV 109' a 110 to differentiate it.  
Besides, from the problems I've had making the bed fit on my 109, the 109 
may not have even been a 109.  Seems manufacturing tolerances on the frames 
were more determined by the availability of Guiness than a quality jig.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally running.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?
>Date: 8 Jun 2001 10:29:07 -0700
>
>It was a trick question....er that's it.
>
>Bryan
>62 88
>70 109 "Genie"
>
>
>On Fri, 08 June 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>
> >
> > >> so where's the extra inch?
> > >
> > >Collective inaccuracy? :-)
> >
> > No.  People are just confusing the wheelbase with the frame length and
> > body length.
> >
> > If I were to centre the rear wheel of my 109 in the rear wheel arch I
> > would have a 111.
> >
> > TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
> > Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
> > [email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
> >                               and more
> >
> > http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html
>
>
>________________________________________________
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>http://www.peoplepc.com

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:15:25 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Clutch adjustment??

Garrick,
I'd try bleeding it some more (I put about 2 resevoirs worth of fluid
through my SIII clutch to get it bled).  And I'd replace the flex line,
if you didn't do that while the motor was out.  It could have a bulge
that's causing your problem.  

Check both the slave and the master for leaks--a bad cylinder in either
location could cause the problem you describe.

If none of the above stuff proves fruitful, you can do what I did
recently--I put a slightly longer-than-stock push rod in my slave
cylinder.  Get a 6" long 5/16" fine thread bolt, cut the end off of it
and grind or file it round-ish.  Thread the clevis thingmo onto the
bottom.  Install it (from underneath is WAY easier than fiddling with
that bulkhead hole--that's just for bleeding) to check the length.  Keep
shortening it a bit at a time til it takes up almost all the length from
the slave cylinder piston (at the extreme top end of its stroke) and the
clutch actuating lever (at the point where it begins to move the throwout
thingmo--i.e. as far down as you can move it by hand).

Hope that's helpful, and good luck,
bill

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:41:00 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Frame bushings

I doubt that the rubber has a torque tube effect on the suspension.  The 
resistance of the rubber to twisting just isn't enough to really affect the 
motion of the shackles.  Believe the rubber is bonded to the outer sleeve 
just to keep the inner sleeve centered in the bushing.  The inner bush is 
slightly wider than the frame so the shackles don't rub up against the frame 
when they flex.  With the rubber bonded to the outer sleeve, the inner bush 
is held in the middle.  A bushing with the rubber completely gone can allow 
the spring to mover enough to cause problems, like the tire tearing up an 
inner fender, BTDT.  Of course that explanation doesn't cover the 
Polyurethane bushings, which I understand don't have an outer sleeve.

Aloha
Peter O

>From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "lro" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Frame bushings
>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:31:26 -0400
>
>
>Re: Idiotic question:
>
>Not idiotic...
>
>Problem is - the rubber needs to be bonded to the inner and outer sleeves -
>it's all of a piece, unlike the shock bushings which are separate bits.
>
>The purpose of this bushing is to act as a "rubber torsion spring" in
>support of the suspension - and if any of the bits are loose (rubber in
>sleeve, sleeve in chassis, or bolt in inner sleeve) this just isn't
>happening...
>
>                     ajr
>
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:26:55 +0200
From: "Danijel Sepac" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Front right 

I fixed brakes the other day. Bought  4 new wheel cyls, 4 new brake shoes,
serviced master cyl. bleeded the system. Brakes are working like
rocket...except... front right wheel has lower braking power than other 3.
Now, Rover hangs a bit to rear left side (Bad leaf spring, will fix
later)...Is it possible that hanging to rear left is the reason for bad
front right brake? (I tryed everythig else conserning brakes).
Thanx, Danijel
"88 LRSantana `66

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:01:56 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Acetone and Rain-X

Well, as stated, you *did* buy it from a lingerie boutique...

> Also cleaned out the K&N using compressed air and gasoline. Large 
> quantities of dust and mud came flying out. Re-oiled it with the 
> "special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think 
> I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine. Carb seems to be 
> breathing better--I can hear it sucking again. Must be the "special" 
> oil.

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:46:07 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

The 110's wheelbase is 110", so states my ninety & one ten sales 
brochure(pre-defender).

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> It would appear that the names of the replacements for the Series III Rovers
> was marketing, not reality, driven.  Since the Defender Name hadn't been
> attached yet, they needed a way to differentiat between the new trucks,
> which should have been called the Series IVs, and the Series IIIs.  Looks
> like ersatz wheelbase numbers were the way they did it.  the 93" wheelbase
> became the 90 'cause it sounded better than a 93.  No one has definitively
> stated that the 110 is actually a 110" wheel base. 
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:10:38 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Front right brakes

Danijel,
I doubt that the truck leaning to the left rear would affect the front
right brake.  Here is what I can think of that you might want to check:

Have you pulled the drum on that wheel and made sure there's no leaky hub
seal that has contaminated your new pads?

Have you adjusted the snail cams on all four wheels so that the shoes are
positioned near the drums?

Does anyone know if 88" front shoes are sided, leading and trailing?  If
so, it's possible that you have both leading shoes on one wheel and both
trailing shoes on the other one.  Any 88" owners wanna comment?

bill

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:26:55 +0200 "Danijel Sepac"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> I fixed brakes the other day. Bought  4 new wheel cyls, 4 new brake 
> shoes,
> serviced master cyl. bleeded the system. Brakes are working like
> rocket...except... front right wheel has lower braking power than 
> other 3.
> Now, Rover hangs a bit to rear left side (Bad leaf spring, will fix
> later)...Is it possible that hanging to rear left is the reason for 
> bad
> front right brake? (I tryed everythig else conserning brakes).
> Thanx, Danijel
> "88 LRSantana `66
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:38:08 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Acetone and Rain-X

> Re-oiled it with the 
> "special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique 

So Jeff, what "flavor" did you use?

>-I can hear it sucking again. 

I aint touching that one

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:16:16 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

> Re-oiled it with the 
>"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think 
>I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine.

Makes perfect since to me.

chris hall

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:11:01 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

Seems logical to me, also.  Used to be no garage was complete without a 
display of many pictures of women modelling lingerie or less or were they 
advertising auto parts and tools.  Whatever happened to those greasy, pin up 
covered garages.

Aloha
Peter O

>From: [email-masked]
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X
>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:16:16 -0700
>
> > Re-oiled it with the
> >"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think
> >I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine.
>
>Makes perfect since to me.
>
>chris hall

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:03:50 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

Actually, My L-R, since the frame build, has a wheelbase of about 109.75. I
coukd call it a one ten, but I prefer a 109.5...

J-L
- ----- Original Message -----
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
To: LRO list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

> >> Nope that's not it.  The Defender uses thinner sheet metal than the
> >> Series II.
> >
> >What about the alum panels, are they thinner also?
>
> Yes
>
> >> I know someone who centered the rear wheels in the wheel well of his
88.
> >> He created a Series II 91.
> >>
> >Timm?
>
> Yes
>
>
>
> TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
> Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
> [email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
>                               and more
>
> http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html
>
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:05:15 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

>Seems logical to me, also.  Used to be no garage was complete without a 
>display of many pictures of women modelling lingerie or less or were
they 
>advertising auto parts and tools.  Whatever happened to those greasy,
pin up 
>covered garages.
 
>Aloha
>Peter O
 
In a word , liability.  About 6 years ago a customer at a sister shop
filed suit against the owner because she felt uncomfortable in the shop
because of those pictures.  Needless to say, we were all told to remove
all off color pictures.  Tech nest to me was forced to remove pictures of
his wife, because she was wearing a bikini.  Of course I was forced to
display naked baby pictures of my sisters children.  That really through
management for a loop.

Chris hall

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:23:52 -0400
From: "David Cockey" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Clutch adjustment??

In a SII the slave cylinder is mounted through the bracket, not on top of
the bracket as shown in the green bible. This lowers the slave cylinder by
1/2" or so. I know all about this from personal experience. Your symptons
match those I had.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:46:29 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Front right brakes

Yes, front 88" shoes are sided. The front and rear brakes are the same, by 
the way.

Keith

At 19:10 08-06-01, you wrote:
>Danijel,
>I doubt that the truck leaning to the left rear would affect the front
>right brake.  Here is what I can think of that you might want to check:
>
>Have you pulled the drum on that wheel and made sure there's no leaky hub
>seal that has contaminated your new pads?
>
>Have you adjusted the snail cams on all four wheels so that the shoes are
>positioned near the drums?
>
>Does anyone know if 88" front shoes are sided, leading and trailing?  If
>so, it's possible that you have both leading shoes on one wheel and both
>trailing shoes on the other one.  Any 88" owners wanna comment?
>
>bill
>
>On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:26:55 +0200 "Danijel Sepac"
><[email-masked]> writes:
> > I fixed brakes the other day. Bought  4 new wheel cyls, 4 new brake
> > shoes,
> > serviced master cyl. bleeded the system. Brakes are working like
> > rocket...except... front right wheel has lower braking power than
> > other 3.
> > Now, Rover hangs a bit to rear left side (Bad leaf spring, will fix
> > later)...Is it possible that hanging to rear left is the reason for
> > bad
> > front right brake? (I tryed everythig else conserning brakes).
> > Thanx, Danijel
> > "88 LRSantana `66
> >
> >

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:00:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote:

:Dave Scheidt earns a gold star for that tip! Did a spring cleaning on
:FINSUP yesterday--hosed her down and gave a quick sponge bath to
:remove accumulated pollen, sap and bird droppings...got the sludge
:out of the footwells and off the rear deck...and wiped the dust off
:the instrument panels and tuffy box. I also did the windshield glass
:(inside and out) with citrus degreaser, glass cleaner and acetone
:followed by Rain-X. The acetone really makes it easy to buff the
:Rain-X clear. Didn't notice any steaks or haze at all last
:night--will keep you posted. I recommend this extra step--but, as
:Dave was kind enough to remind me, remember that acetone is a solvent
:and will do a number on your paint. You were warned, no whining.

Oh, and you don't need to do this on the reapplications, most of the time.
If you reapply before the RainX has worn off, thorough cleaning with your
favorite glass cleaner is enough.  If you wait too long, you'll have
problems.  All this reminds me it's overdue to do all my glass again.  109s
have so many windows...

:quantities of dust and mud came flying out. Re-oiled it with the
:"special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique (you think
:I'm kidding, don't you?) in Waterville, Maine. Carb seems to be
:breathing better--I can hear it sucking again. Must be the "special"
:oil.

Which side of the shop did you get it from?  I'll leave it to Mr. Berg to
find such a place, though.

david
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:13:24 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

>  Whatever happened to those greasy, pin up covered garages.

"PC" and sexual harassment lawsuits...

jab

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

- --- Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]> wrote:
 Whatever happened to those greasy,
> pin up 
> covered garages.
> Aloha
> Peter O

They all stayed here on the mainland...

Dave

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:18:17 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

>Oh, and you don't need to do this on the reapplications, most of the time.
>If you reapply before the RainX has worn off, thorough cleaning with your
>favorite glass cleaner is enough.

I always wait too long. :-(

>I'll leave it to Mr. Berg to find such a place, though.

I'm afraid the credit must go to Mr. Fowler who directed me there. 
The oil was fiber filter oil that came from the speedshop side. Amiee 
wandered into the other side an emerged shocked by thee things she 
saw. Not an easy thing to imagine--she's not exactly lived a 
sheltered life.

jab

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Acetone and Rain-X

- --- Hope Peter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > Re-oiled it with the 
> > "special" oil I got at the Speed Shop & Lingerie Boutique 
> 
> So Jeff, what "flavor" did you use?

Well, I aint jeff, but may I recommend "Guinness?"

> >-I can hear it sucking again. 

better check your hitch ball to see if it still has chrome on it.

dave

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 07:41:15 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: galvanized cappings / tri-valent chromium

Rich Williams II wrote:
 
> Well I remember this from a miserable 3 semester series of inorganic
> chemistry but where does one find such an item?

Hmm, your local industrial chemical supply place? You only need a tiny
bit if it's in a strong enough concentration (SG of around 2.2), then
dilute to about 5% and awaaaay you go (too strong a solution will turn
your galv green).

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:46:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote:

:>Oh, and you don't need to do this on the reapplications, most of the time.
:>If you reapply before the RainX has worn off, thorough cleaning with your
:>favorite glass cleaner is enough.
:
:I always wait too long. :-(

Me too.

:
:>I'll leave it to Mr. Berg to find such a place, though.
:
:I'm afraid the credit must go to Mr. Fowler who directed me there.
:The oil was fiber filter oil that came from the speedshop side. Amiee
:wandered into the other side an emerged shocked by thee things she
:saw. Not an easy thing to imagine--she's not exactly lived a
:sheltered life.

You didn't make her show you what shocker her?  I'm very disappointed!

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 09:11:55 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Series IIa on a Defender chassis?

Peter Ogilvie writes:<<<> Besides, from the problems I've had making the bed
fit on my 109, the 109
> may not have even been a 109.  Seems manufacturing tolerances on the
frames
> were more determined by the availability of Guiness than a quality jig.<<<

We have a saying that the Land Rover Ltd tolerances are: 'Plus or minus an
inch(ish)' so 109 and 110 are pretty superfluous anyhow.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 07:33:42 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: galvanized cappings / tri-valent chromium

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
> Rich Williams II wrote:
> 
> > Well I remember this from a miserable 3 semester series of inorganic
> > chemistry but where does one find such an item?
> 
> Hmm, your local .. chemical supply place? 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley

I believe our local chemical supplier prefers organic chemicals :)
John and Muddy

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 07:06:59 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Acetone and Rain-X

In a message dated 6/8/2001 8:16:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< Used to be no garage was complete without a 
 display of many pictures of women modelling lingerie or less or were they 
 advertising auto parts and tools.  Whatever happened to those greasy, pin up 
 covered garages. >>

My local pin up covered garage suffered the fate of most...The original owner 
died (heart attack) and the whiny-assed son didn't want to work THAT hard so 
he drove the business into the ground.  Luckily, I know the mechanics there 
well enough that I've been able to find them at their new places---no pin ups 
though.

Nate

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:36:26 -0600
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Guinness (was Acetone and Rain-X)

Okay, all ye Brits.  I have a very serious question to ask.  Last night
while out for dinner a friend ordered a Guinness... but only if this
establishment served them cold.  My friend understands that the proper way
to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we understand
you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
real scoop?
    LR content?  When I took this friend and another out in the 88" for the
first time, we had just returned from a nice camping trip.  We were still in
the mood for fun so we hopped in the rover and I played up and down on the
treed hillsides of the farm.  They were drinking Guinness at the time (I
don't drink when I drive, ride or otherwise operate any kind of equipment.)
It's probably a good thing they were drinking too, I am quite sure at least
one of them would have soiled his shorts if they hadn't.  I was out walking
the other day and looked at some of the places we went.  I am clinically
insane!  One hill we traversed down at a 45 degree angle... and the
inclinometer reads 45 degrees.  The rover felt stable too (to me at least
;-)

Kirk

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 08:31:07 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: British Beer

We do not drink it cold, and we do not drink it warm either, we drink it the
temperature that it comes up from the cellar from it's keg to the tap. Pub
cellars are cold dank places full of pipes, barrels, crates, tools cobwebs and
Series I Landrover parts. The weather normally will not affect the temperature
down there in the pit. The weather outside is normally between freezing and 75 F
depending on season, so there is no need for the forehead numbing chilling of
beer that goes on here in the USA. We drink it at ambient cellar temperature,
which, to be honest, is a bit nippy, to say the least.  Right Lads!!! Let's get
in another round before last call. "so where was I?  Yes, it was in Low 4 with
the hubs in and I had it hanging over the edge and a wheel was spinning etc etc
etc etc."
Ding Ding. Right you lot, out, I'll not be telling you again!!
Bloody hell, time for a curry already!

Kirk Hillman wrote:

> Okay, all ye Brits.  I have a very serious question to ask.  Last night
> while out for dinner a friend ordered a Guinness... but only if this
> establishment served them cold.  My friend understands that the proper way
> to drink this fine ale (in Britain) is cold, contrary to what we understand
> you drink most of your beer.  I thought you drank it warm.  So what's the
> real scoop?
>     LR content?  When I took this friend and another out in the 88" for the
> first time, we had just returned from a nice camping trip.  We were still in
> the mood for fun so we hopped in the rover and I played up and down on the
> treed hillsides of the farm.  They were drinking Guinness at the time (I
> don't drink when I drive, ride or otherwise operate any kind of equipment.)
> It's probably a good thing they were drinking too, I am quite sure at least
> one of them would have soiled his shorts if they hadn't.  I was out walking
> the other day and looked at some of the places we went.  I am clinically
> insane!  One hill we traversed down at a 45 degree angle... and the
> inclinometer reads 45 degrees.  The rover felt stable too (to me at least
> ;-)
>
> Kirk

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