Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #399

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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:02:38 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 399

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:35:39 -0400 
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Rain-X

> Agreed. I just came home from the marina as it started to pour. Rain-X was
> 
> reapplied to the Zit yesterday and it worked perfectly on the way home. I 
> always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system 
> like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and
> moves 
> side to side with only a slight arc.
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 
	Now your thinking. With the Rover's flat screens you could fit a
linear track across the top of the frame attach both wipers to this track
and use either an electric motor, vacuum or air to traverse the wipers side
to side. This would effectively clear the entire area of each pane. The
screen wash nozzle could be attached to the wiper arm and direct its blast
straight onto the window next to the top of the blade where it could do most
good.

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Date: 6 Jun 2001 11:52:23 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

Thanks to the efforts of one or two infamous innovators out here in the west, you more or less can't swing a dead cat without hitting a hybrid.  It's getting worse, as they are becoming more and more common.  I feel somewhat unique in trifling over a frame over on the 109 and not opting to go coily.  I have instead opted to go parabolic, and spend disproportionately on the engine, trans and axles.  I do not weld well enough to pull off the frame mods for coils, and therefor would have to spend hugely to do the conversion.  But for those with the money and or the skills, it has become de rigor.

Bryan
62 88
70 109

On Wed, 06 June 2001, "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote:

> 
> 
> How do you fit RR axles to a Series?
> I have heard it is almost impossible due to suspension.
> 
> Weld spring perches to the axle casings maybe? Might have to swap around
> some bits on the front axle to move the armsaway from the springs...but I
> believe this is a not-uncommon conversion in the UK.
> 
>                          ajr

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:03:40 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Rain-X

Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:14:05 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X

>I always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system 
like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and moves 
side to side with only a slight arc.

If you actually want to investigate this idea, you might try some of the marine 
suppliers in your area if there are any.  Wiper arms as you describe are very 
common on boats of all sizes these days, and there may be a set small 
enough for a Series Land Rover's windscreen.

An even better setup, though, would be the high-speed centrifugal "wipers" 
used on ships and high-speed boats.  This consists of a circular section of 
glass fitted into the center of a window.  The mount is such that the 
glass disk can rotate, and it's driven by a belt from an electric motor mounted 
below or above the window.  When you turn this thing on, the glass disk spins 
at a very high rate of speed, several thousand rpm I would imagine.  Any rain, 
snow, sleet, spray, etc. that hits the spinning disk is thrown off instantly.  The 
advantage is that there is no wiper blade to leave streaks or clog up with snow or salt. 
The glass disk remains clear no matter what's hitting it.  In addition to marine use, some 
of the larger airport fire trucks and snow plows also have been fitted with this 
sort of "wiper," particularly at airports where heavy winter snowfall is the norm.  
These centrifugal wipers are usually a couple of feet in diameter, but I have seen 
a very small one, about eight or nine inches, fitted to the forward cockpit window of 
a sailboat.

The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield that, while transparent 
and not a problem during the day, can cause a very annoying glare at night when hit 
by oncoming lights.  I used to use Rain-X on all our vehicles, but have stopped because 
I do a lot of night driving, and the blurry glare from the haze or film on the windscreen is 
just too annoying and masking.  We do use Rain-X on the windscreens of our two boats, 
however, and it's very effective, particularly in salt water where the use of a wiper tends to 
build up streaks pretty quickly.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:43:33 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

> How do you fit RR axles to a Series?
> I have heard it is almost impossible due to suspension.
> Scott Just
> Rochester Hills, MI
> '68 109 reg.
>
Aloha.
It is actually a pretty straight forward do, just need to get spring perches
welded on and cut off all the other stuff.
Now converting a leaf axle to a coil axle can be ... well difficult.
Pete

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:51:50 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

That's exactly it...

I am fitting suspension and axles at the same time.

Suspension, AND sway bars...

;-)
 Aloha Jean-Leon.
where are you sourcing the sway bars?  My suspension flex is great on the
trails, but I really should have some anti-sways with quick disconnects for
road use
Pete

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:56:53 -0500
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime

Hey Group,

My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise.  Normally when you start the
vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go
off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just
disconnecting it, but I can't find it.  I did figure out that the fuse for
it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things.

Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy.

Thanks,

Carl
'95 RR LWB

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X

- --- "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield
> that, while transparent 
> and not a problem during the day, can cause a very annoying glare at
> night when hit 
> by oncoming lights. 

well, I only had a glare problem with rain-x at night when trying to
rely on the rain x alone (dead SIII wiper motor). this was from other
vehicles' lights' glare hitting the droplets on the windshield, and not
from the rain-x's haze. If you can still see the haze I suggest you use
a little more elbo-grease in your rain-x application formula. 
I have noticed residual haze sometimes from rain-x, but I can usually
buff it out. I also noticed that rain-x is good for dissolving the
excess silicone from my atttempts to seal the windshield area. 

I was amazed at how much water came in through the windshield last
downpour. It's a little disconcerting to see a steady stream of water
running out from behind the guage panel. You know, the one that holds
all those wires in...

later

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:33:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Faure, Marin wrote:

:The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield
:that, while transparent and not a problem during the day, can cause
:a very annoying glare at night when hit by oncoming lights.  I used
:to use Rain-X on all our vehicles, but have stopped because I do a
:lot of night driving, and the blurry glare from the haze or film on
:the windscreen is just too annoying and masking.  We do use Rain-X on

I've found that if the glass is clean when you put the rainx on, the haze is
much less.  I do mean *clean*, too.  Windex isn't enough, windex followed by
some solvent (I've used MEK and acetone with good effect), followed by
rubbing with a clean, dry, soft cotton rag.  Scratches and such on the glass
will also increase glare from Rainx.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:06:52 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X

but this wouldn't give you a dirty smeared bit to pear 'round.  What do you
want to lose that bit of "character" for??
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Date: 06 June 2001 19:43
Subject: RE: LRO: Rain-X

>
>
>> Agreed. I just came home from the marina as it started to pour. Rain-X
was
>>
>> reapplied to the Zit yesterday and it worked perfectly on the way home. I
>> always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system
>> like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and
>> moves
>> side to side with only a slight arc.
>>
>> Niall Forbes
>>
> Now your thinking. With the Rover's flat screens you could fit a
>linear track across the top of the frame attach both wipers to this track
>and use either an electric motor, vacuum or air to traverse the wipers side
>to side. This would effectively clear the entire area of each pane. The
>screen wash nozzle could be attached to the wiper arm and direct its blast
>straight onto the window next to the top of the blade where it could do
most
>good.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:49:48 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Annoying Door Chime

My '85 110 has some annoying noises on starting too, I gather it's called
"character"!!
Windows rattle, exhaust taps, thrust bearing grind/squeeks...
Sorry Carl, couldn't resist....!!
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Carl Kinkade <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
<[email-masked]>
Date: 06 June 2001 21:09
Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime

>Hey Group,
>
>My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise.  Normally when you start the
>vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go
>off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just
>disconnecting it, but I can't find it.  I did figure out that the fuse for
>it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things.
>
>Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carl
>'95 RR LWB
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:48:24 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Slowing down windscreen wipers

>Actually, adding the variable delay to that one would likely have been a
>matter of swapping a fixed resistor for a potentiometer...how much did you
>pay for the black box again? 8*)

Maybe a little more complicated then you think. The interval is 
controlled as follows:

Flick the wiper stalk to the first position--"Interval"
After the wipers have completed their cycle flick the stalk to off.
Allow the windshield to mist up, then set the wipers to interval 
again... You've now set the interval time.

Sounds complex but actually works quite nicely and is a very organic 
method of setting the ideal interval when you think about it.

I paid $45 (I think) for the black box as part of a group buy. About 
a five minute job to swap the boxes--mostly because you have to 
remove the glove box to get at the "panel-o-black boxes."

I have the single wiper motor.

jeff
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:49:45 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X

>I've found that if the glass is clean when you put the rainx on, the haze is
>much less.

Agree totally--and this same discussion came up recently on one of 
the BMW lists with the same answers coming forth.

My system is to use either Simple Green or "Orange Citrus" spray to 
degrease and remove the heavy soil from the glass, followed by two 
applications of a good, commercial glass cleaner (Not partial to 
Windex myself, but not trying to make a religion out of cleaning 
windows either.), which at this point is removing mostly degreaser 
and de-streaking. I use blue shop towels, not paper towels as they do 
a better job of removing dirt and grease without leaving lint all 
over the glass.

The apply the Rain-X and buff the hell out of it... Never had the 
glare problem Marin refers too--or at least have never been bothered 
by it.

An other advantage of Rain-X is that the wipers work better when 
used--they hardly ever get stuck midway through their wipe pattern or 
move on their drive spindle when the glass is slickery with R-X.

I do like the acetone idea though, maybe I'll give it a try 
tomorrow--this project has been on the agenda for a week or so.

jeff

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                     [email-masked]
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	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life, 
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:58:49 -0500
From: "Carl Kinkade" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Annoying Door Chime

I don't mind character, but man the radio barely drowns out this noise and
only if I have it turned up loud.  It is one of those noises that goes right
through your head.

Carl

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of Phil Norris
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:50 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Re: Annoying Door Chime

My '85 110 has some annoying noises on starting too, I gather it's called
"character"!!
Windows rattle, exhaust taps, thrust bearing grind/squeeks...
Sorry Carl, couldn't resist....!!
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Carl Kinkade <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
<[email-masked]>
Date: 06 June 2001 21:09
Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime

>Hey Group,
>
>My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise.  Normally when you start the
>vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go
>off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just
>disconnecting it, but I can't find it.  I did figure out that the fuse for
>it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things.
>
>Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carl
>'95 RR LWB
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:39:14 -0500
From: "CW - Carey Woodings" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hilton Head Island

[ DaveB <[email-masked]>
[ I'll be in Hilton head, SC for a week...I'm trying to
[ figure out if there's likely to be any need for it(109).

I was there a year and a half ago and wished I had my 88.  Not because there 
was anywhere to drive it offroad (there may be but I didn't go looking, 
maybe off the island), but just to show it off to all the other rover owners 
I saw on the island.  I got the impression that they wouldn't be impressed 
however, as they didn't look like the offroad type.  I saw three different 
Range rovers and several Discoveries.  They probably would have looked at me 
and thought I was one of the many people who commute in and out each day to 
work in the service industry.

On second thought, maybe I wouldn't want to take my truck there.  It would 
be a shame to polute the island with 90 weight.  And anyone following me in 
their BMW, Mercedes, or Cadillac would curse me for misting them liberally 
with oil.

Planning to go back later this year. Now what should I drive?  Hmmmm

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:19:29 -0400
From: "Hank Rutherford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Rovers for sale

Two Land-Rovers for sale in Central NY. A recent ad in the Utica paper ( and
a follow up phone call) lists two 88" Rovers, one a Station Wagon, for sale,
$3000 the set. Station wagon has deluxe bonnet, winch, safari top, etc. Both
vehicles are in serious need of restoration. Tom Coker is the seller, his
phone # is 315-861-7636. His e-mail is [email-masked]. I have no
interest in the sale, just passing this along to the community.

Hank Rutherford
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:38:25 -0400
From: "Neal P. Dion" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Half Shafts

Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of?  Are they
forged or turned from bar?  Anyone make a higher tensile strength version?
Thanks.........

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:38:16 -0400 
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Rangie Fuel Pump

Rangie is cured. Cause of problem was failed wiring at connector. Thin wire
going into heavy connector with moisture trap results in corrosion of wire.
Gradual loss of conductors results in heating of wire as resistance
increases,heating of wire hardens plastic cover, cover cracks allows more
moisture etc etc. Replaced connectors with bullets and sleeves. Suffered
mild attack of shipfitters resulting in removal of tank and skid plate,
cleaning and painting of both with Por 15. I also found a soft spot in the
bottom of the tank that was a leak waiting to happen so was able to put off
the impending failure with a coating of epoxy and fine mat. Thanks for the
information and advice.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

J-L,  Would you share your knowledge so that others don't have to
"reinvent the wheel" to get to the point where you stopped?  As I recall
price and availability were high on the list of criteria, and last I
heard all you needed was a caliper mount fabricated, if I remember
correctly.   So you have wowed us all with your thinking before how about
sharing your thoughts on a disk brake conversion.  It would be much
appreciated.

thanks 
Chris hall
> 
> 
> On Tue, 05 June 2001, "Jean-Leon Morin" wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Uhh. Sorry, all you folks hoping out there. Disc brake kit has 
> been on the
> > back burner for quite some time. I'm going range rover axles, 
> baby!
> > 

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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:26:09 -0500
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 3 point hitch

Hello the list,

A spiffy little item came with the IIa 109 Pickup I just purchased.

It's a Stratton Model 56 Hydro Implement Lift 3 point hitch.
Apparently it bolts right up.

Does anyone have literature or info on this beast?

Andy Litkowiak

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:33:58 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Fowler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

- -----Original Message-----
From: N Forbes

:Well shit. Talk about a bad typo. I think Al deserves some credit though as
:he spotted this first. He said:
:
:>Now there is a Freudian slip if ever I heard one.......
:>
:>    aj"Are you commenting on the design or the typical RR owner?8*)"r
:
:As I told him, the design of the brakes seems sound, so.....;-)
:
:Anyway JL and Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying this. You know what they say
:"small things amuse small minds". Get it? Hehehehe....sorry JL ;-)

Hehehehe........
Niall,
Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award"
:-)

Bruce F.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:36:38 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Fowler" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Slowing down windscreen wipers

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Leon Morin 

:I find application of -20C weather seesm to slow them down very nicely... 

Not if you put your door tops on :-)

Bruce F.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:59:20 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

Hmm. It takes a inline six to turn my crank, as well as a Long Wheel Base
landie. You have youy fun with your 4 banger and 88"...

Hihihihi.

J-L
- ----- Original Message -----
From: N Forbes <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

> Well shit. Talk about a bad typo. I think Al deserves some credit though
as
> he spotted this first. He said:
>
> >Now there is a Freudian slip if ever I heard one.......
> >
> >    aj"Are you commenting on the design or the typical RR owner?8*)"r
>
> As I told him, the design of the brakes seems sound, so.....;-)
>
> Anyway JL and Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying this. You know what they say
> "small things amuse small minds". Get it? Hehehehe....sorry JL ;-)
>
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:57:37 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: IIa for sale

Brethren, 

This is the toughest thing I have ever had to do and I know one person who is surely going to question my sanity, but here goes.  I'm looking for offers on my 1965 Series IIa soft top (with regular hard top also).  She's mostly stock and in very nice shape.  Some tweaking on the carburetor is all I have done lately and she's run very nicely around town.  Here's the deal.  SWMBO wants us to get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the trail and long distance drives.  I live about 100 miles south of Atlanta and there is no off-roading around here to speak of.  Nearest fun trails are in the northern part of the state and that's some 3 hours away, at highway speeds.  So, the point is, I just don't get to use the truck for more than around town driving and that can get tough in the summer in a soft top.

I have a 1995 RR Classic also and use it now for almost all trail riding simply because I can take it up the highway and back in a day.

The 88 is pastel green.  I've got tons of parts, all new hoop set and tan canvas top, and low miles on a strong engine and tranny.  Regular hard top included (Bill Rice has the door that goes with it so you can't have that).  New tires (5).  Only three problems I have ever had were the points burnt out on me once, a rear brake cylender crapped the day of the SOLAROS rally in north Georgia and most recently the Solex blew an artery the day before the British Motor Car show in Atlanta.  No clutch, brake (new brakes by the way) or engine trouble at all.  Interior is very good and heat / sound proof (well, damn good for a IIa soft top).

I'm looking for $9500 - or more ;>  I have an ad on the LRX also (search on "IIa" and you can see a good photo) and I can email pictures to anyone interested.

Thanks,

Ron Ward
1995 RR Classic SWB (ex-EAS)
1965 IIa 88" that I bet won't start in the morning jst because I sent this post and she's pissed at me now for trying to replace her with a disco.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:59:48 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

>Hmm. It takes a inline six to turn my crank, as well as a Long Wheel Base
>landie. You have youy fun with your 4 banger and 88"...

Careful their J-L, you're also picking on your allies...

jab

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:38 -0400
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Megatester

Thought this might be of interest to some. I was flipping through 
this month's issue of Water Flying and found an ad for this device 
that converts a Mini Maglite into a continuity checker for 
unenergized circuits and devices while maintaining it's functionality 
as a flashlight. Personally, I think it should be called the 
Minitester as it really performs only one function--but I'm not 
saying that's a bad thing.

The MegatesterdDoesn't replace a multi-meter...but might make a nice 
addition to one's emergency kit--just add a 12-volt test lamp.

(Go ahead, treat yourself to a viewing of the hoaky "boat show demo" 
video and check out the product at <http://www.megatester.com>.)

I confess. I'll probably order four of them and add it to all of the 
mini-mags that are sitting around. Just when I was switching over to 
plasic bodied "penlights" too...

jeff

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:36:45 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

Folks, don't worry. I'm still working on it, sort of. Dr. Detroit is still
very much locked in his underground lab.

As you may remember, I wanted an overbuilt brake system for series axles
that would use easily sourced parts. Where I ended up is kinda weird.

Well, I still have a very much working proto, using a 77 chevrolet caliper,
Ford F 350 rotors, and a master from an LTD with four wheel diskies. This is
a braking system fit for a vehicle with a GVWR of about 6500 lbs, and a 1
ton capacity. 8500lbs. That's a lot of 88" rovers. It might be overkill for
anything other than Valdez.

The only problem is that the massive assembly does not fit behind the stock
wheel. I have two routes I can follow - change the wheel design, which is
costly, or simply go for a smaller rotor and caliper, which is definitely
not a big deal, except the Land-Rover wheel hub is fiendishly huge, and I
haven't found a suitable part. Of course, I could spin up some custom alloy
steel wheel hubs, and use Toyota 4x4 rotors, but that would cost oodles in
machining costs, which is free for me, but damn expensive to mass produce
(read expensive for YOU). I have thought about reworking the L-R hubs to
include a rotor mount, but they are soft cast iron, and I can't work them at
all.

I had a really good design using a mix of all kinds of parts, which are
still held secret, but it needed a custom hub. The material costs were
astronomical for my very tight budget at the time, and it stopped me dead.
Hubs are relatively easy to spin up, all flat surfaces, can be out of mild
steel, relatively few close tolerances.

The crushing truth is that 720$ canadian is damn good for a complete kit.
The last prices I had were about 300$ of parts, calipers, rotors, bolts,
studs, etc. That's not including raw materials, and machining. of course, I
could build one for about 400$, but where's the profit margin in that case?
I'd have to make at least 150$ a kit to break even.

_____________________

The range rover axle thing looked like a done deal, but all kinds of little
things are going wrong in the sale of the parts, and I might simply get the
heck out of that situation, and try and improve the stocker L-R axles. I'll
know in the next month or so.

J-L

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:41:31 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

Yes, I did think about that for a moment... I apologise Jeff. Definitely do
NOT want to get the master of treachery to turn on me...

Finsup may be a shorty, but it sure gets around. Shod with questionable
aquatreds, it runs circles around Valdez, which goes to prove,

It's not what you got, it's what you do with it...

J-L

P.S - what's a youy anyways?

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:24:23 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale

A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and
it is quite solid.  He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro
(well, OK, me) put on new brake lines.  It's a really nice 88, tho.

bill, who lives nowhere near ron now nor will receive any kickbacks from
the sale of ron's truck.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:24:56 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale

Bill, by the way, I'll need some time to come up with the cash for your ancient Benz....  ;)

>>> [email-masked] 06/06/01 22:43 PM >>>
A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and
it is quite solid.  He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro
(well, OK, me) put on new brake lines.  It's a really nice 88, tho.

bill, who lives nowhere near ron now nor will receive any kickbacks from
the sale of ron's truck.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:32:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Megatester

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote:

:
:I confess. I'll probably order four of them and add it to all of the
:mini-mags that are sitting around. Just when I was switching over to
:plasic bodied "penlights" too...
:

I'd start with one.  It looks very much like one of those "That's neat,
but..." things.  And, of course, it interferes iwth my favorite
mini-maglite accessory, the lite bite (as seen at
http://www.stagehandtools.com/main/flashlight_accessories.htm ).  Admit it.
It's how you hold the thing.

Let us know, though.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:35:55 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts

Not sure what the stock ones are, but Bill at Great Basin has some that
I personally guaranty are much stronger than the stock half shafts.
greatbasinrovers.com I am not getting anything for promoting these by
the way, just talking from my experience with them.

Neal P. Dion wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of?  Are they
> forged or turned from bar?  Anyone make a higher tensile strength version?
> Thanks.........

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:41:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Megatester

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote:

:
:The MegatesterdDoesn't replace a multi-meter...but might make a nice
:addition to one's emergency kit--just add a 12-volt test lamp.
:

Oh, if you're going to carry a test lamp, it's absolutely trivial to make
one will work as a powered continuity tester using a 9V battery and an extra
piece of wire and a couple gator clips.

Of course, if you've planned ahead to actually *carry* these things,
(instead of making one out of bits at the sidwe of the road.  Not that
*I* have ever done that.  Oh, no.  Not me!) why not spend a few more
dollars and get a multimeter?  I paid all of $10 for the one I carry
around in the rover.  It's good enough for the electrics in a series,
and even has some things that are perfectly useless in a series, like a
diode tester...

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:42:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, William J. Rice wrote:

:A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and
:it is quite solid.  He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro
:(well, OK, me) put on new brake lines.  It's a really nice 88, tho.

Er, doesn't that reduce the value of the truck?

David
- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: 6 Jun 2001 20:49:13 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale

On Wed, 06 June 2001, "RON WARD" wrote:

> 
> Brethren, 
> 
>Here's the deal.  SWMBO wants us to >get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the >trail and long distance drives.  

Ron,

Disco's are soul-less beasts.  Outfit SWMBO for a long trip (very long), send her on her way, and keep the series
:-).  

I did see the 88 on LRX, very nice.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:52:29 -0700
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: San Diego Rover fans

I'm heading to SD in the am and would like to hoist a Harp or Bass w/a Rover
enthusiast.  I'm leaving before checking e-mail so drop a line and phone
number to this address and I'll give you a call.  I'll probably be at the
North Island NAS BOQ but that is not certain as yet.

Steve Rochna - Fallon, NV

1972 88"           'MR. Leaky
1968 110" FC   'Beast Rover'

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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:11:52 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts

"Neal P. Dion" wrote:
 
> Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of?  

EN9 is about the closest.

> Are they forged or turned from bar? 

Both.

> Anyone make a higher tensile strength version?

You then end up trashing your drive flanges which have no elastic limits
at all. The side/half shafts can at least twist a little to absorb
torque. In fact the ideal would be to have them be able to twist even
more (without testing their elastic limits).
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:39:46 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: so I pull  in the parking lot here at work....

>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:00:21 -0400 
>From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: So I pull in the parking lot here at work....

>and park right next to another 88".  Fred Dushin decided to
>park 
>outside
>with the peions and now it's the beginnings of a Rover meet!  

>Definitely a good start to the day...

>Matt Peckham
>74 Lightweight.

So, which one broke?  ;>))       

=====
Robert D. Ries
SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
"With friends like these..."

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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 05:37:37 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

>Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award"
>:-)
>
>Bruce F.

Niall "Romero" Forbes......got a ring to it, it does.

                    ajr

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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:00:37 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts

The Great Basin shafts have the drive flange as part of the shaft, so
that isn't an issue. The next weak link is the spider gears.

Paul Oxley wrote:

> You then end up trashing your drive flanges which have no elastic limits
> at all. The side/half shafts can at least twist a little to absorb
> torque. In fact the ideal would be to have them be able to twist even
> more (without testing their elastic limits).

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:15:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts

Jim Hall wrote:
 
> The Great Basin shafts have the drive flange as part of the shaft, so
> that isn't an issue.

Ah! Asked and answered then.

> The next weak link is the spider gears.

Or any of the retaining pins andshafts, or the crown wheel, or the
pinion gear.... all the way up to the back of the crankshaft :-{)}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:06:08 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale

Thought about that, but...  I'd like to haul the kids from time to time and they just can't bounce around in that rear tub for long...

Somebody buy this truck.

>>> [email-masked] 06/06/01 11:49PM >>>
On Wed, 06 June 2001, "RON WARD" wrote:

> 
> Brethren, 
> 
>Here's the deal.  SWMBO wants us to >get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the >trail and long distance drives.  

Ron,

Disco's are soul-less beasts.  Outfit SWMBO for a long trip (very long), send her on her way, and keep the series
:-).  

I did see the 88 on LRX, very nice.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:59:38 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion

>Hehehehe........
>Niall,
>Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award"
>:-)
>
>Bruce F.
>

Whoa there. Now Bruce, some things are funny, but that's taking it too far. 
I want nothing to do with the Peppermill.   ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:59:58 -0400 
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: so I pull  in the parking lot here at work....

I gues Fred's, because on day 3, I am the only one left in the lot...  and
it's not because I couldn't start it when I went to go home.

See you Boston area Roverites at the Museum of Transportation in Brookline
on Sunday, 10am- 2:30pm for British car day.  www.mot.org

Matt Peckham
74 Lightweight.
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Ries [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:40 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Re: so I pull in the parking lot here at work....

>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:00:21 -0400 
>From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: So I pull in the parking lot here at work....

>and park right next to another 88".  Fred Dushin decided to
>park 
>outside
>with the peions and now it's the beginnings of a Rover meet!  

>Definitely a good start to the day...

>Matt Peckham
>74 Lightweight.

So, which one broke?  ;>))       

=====
Robert D. Ries
SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
"With friends like these..."

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