Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #391

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:50:09 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, May 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 391

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:56:39 +0100
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

I'm guessing that it wasn't filmed in the UK then (.ca on your email address).

On 29 May 2001, at 15:53, Easton Trevor A wrote:

> Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when
> Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid a
> day for three days on that junket.
> 
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:00:02 +0100
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel

I don't know about the valve situation but, in deference to the poor injector 
pump, several UK users (myself included) chuck a cup of clean engine oil in 
each time they fill up with derv.

On 29 May 2001, at 14:01, Faure, Marin wrote:

> I'm curious if the owners of 
> 2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the 
> sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out?

> So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to
> cause valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines.  Anyone know? 
> And if the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes
> (like hardened seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc)

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
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Name: Dr Steve Mace
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Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 0845 458 4559
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:42:11 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

Also got to drive a 427 Cobra camera car, an eighteen year olds dream. Maybe
it was your friend who was in that car

> Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when
> Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five
> quid
> a day for three days on that junket.
> 
> > >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars
> > >before and during filming.
> > 
> 

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:15:58 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Grand Prix

Filmed at Brands Hatch actually. I was still in England then moved to Canada
10 years later. And yes it was Grand Prix not LeMans in which I 'starred'.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Mace [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 AM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil
> 
> I'm guessing that it wasn't filmed in the UK then (.ca on your email
> address).
> 
> ------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:07:31 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Liftgate

Exactly.  

>>> [email-masked] 05/30/01 12:48AM >>>
Just make sure not to knock said stick out with a careless swing
of an armful of toolbox, sending said gate into the back of ones
head, knocking face into edge of trunk, dropping toolbox down
shin and onto sandel-clad foot.  And don't even think of
laughing if you witness a close friend or family member doing
this.  Really.  Don't laugh hystericly as your Dad limps about
the lawn in a semi-cuncused daze while you roll paralysed in the
gravel.  I mean it.  Don't even try it unless you are some kind
of track star, 'cause Dad will catch you and throw you in a
stream where you will nearly drown laughing.  But it was worth
it.  (wondering how I ever survived childhood.)

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:18:12 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...

Good grief!  Do like my Dad did and carry a broom with the end 
sawed off and wedge it between the bumper and the lift gate to 
hold it open.

>>> [email-masked] 05/22/01 01:41PM >>>

Sorry, John - didn't realize.

Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I 
seem to
remember lids w/only one....

I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out 
rods that drop
into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands 
latching is
so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again.

                    ajr

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Burwell, England
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:37:09 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: John Cranfield...

it had an attachment, so I deleted it.  And I got a similar message in the
same format from someone else.

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
[mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:10 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: John Cranfield...

Actually I do not have the virus I just thought I had and was attemping
to warn evryone that I might have passed it on. I then sent a "don't
worry" message when I was told that it was a hoax.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
John and Muddy

Matt Peckham wrote:
> 
> you have been infected.  You are sending out a virus.  It goes under the
> heading (FWD:Virus Warning)
> 
> Might want to debug yourself.  Deep Windows Off! works best.

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:59:51 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: pictures of exhaust hangers?

I'm fabricating some new exhaust hanger brackets for Basil, as the 
originals have long since rusted away. Does anyone have any photos of the 
ones in the rear that I can use for a guide? I've got a couple of ideas, 
but I'd prefer to recreate the Rover version if possible. Any good shots of 
the rear of the frame (88 if that makes a difference) would be helpful.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:42:13 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines.

>5 bearing or 3 bearing, are heads and trannies a straight forward switch?

Yep.  Basically the Factory wanted to add a turbo to the deisel version 
of the engine and the 3 main bottom end was not strong enough.  So they 
reworked the bottom of the block to make it a five bearing engine.  Of 
course this means that you can build a turbo version of the five main 
petrol engine as well 8*)

The heads are intercangable among the IIA, and III engines.  If you go to 
purchase a new head for IIA engine today chances are you will be sold a 
2.5L head and a metric stud kit.

>ensure that my ACR head and series IIa tranny will bolt up.

There should be no problem.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:40:18 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: pictures of exhaust hangers?

Not sure if there are any shots of mine, but you can check at
www.crossmember.com.  I had my cat back replaced before the Fall Heritage
Rally, so look at those photos.  I believe they just tacked some strips of
metal to the exhaust, then bolted them to the tub at the wheelwell, with a
rubber bumper to stop vibration.

very simple, and man is it ever quiet.

Matt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: pictures of exhaust hangers?

I'm fabricating some new exhaust hanger brackets for Basil, as the 
originals have long since rusted away. Does anyone have any photos of the 
ones in the rear that I can use for a guide? I've got a couple of ideas, 
but I'd prefer to recreate the Rover version if possible. Any good shots of 
the rear of the frame (88 if that makes a difference) would be helpful.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:48:00 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Wheel Cylinder Sizes

Hello All;

I was fixing a rear brake wheel cylinder the other day and found that I was out 
of replacement seals.  I try to keep a few around for rebuilds.  I looked 
through my box of old parts that I can't seem to throw away and dug out 8 old 
wheel cylinders and noticed that the 4 iron ones that came in the box of spares 
12 years ago were different than the 4 aluminum ones I replaced 10 years ago.  
When I replaced the 4 AL ones I did so with 4 new AL ones from Atl. Brit. My 
question is this.  What size cylinder should be used at which wheel on a SII 
88"?  I have been using 1" AL ones since I have owned the Rover.  Is there 
supposed to be 1.25" cylinders in the front and 1" in the rear?  I never really 
have had any problem with having 1" cylinders all around, but maybe its because 
thats what has always been on and I don't have a referance point for any other 
arangements.  I also suspect that the snails I replaced 10 years ago where 
smaller that the originals, but replaced them anyway.  Can anyone give me the 
dimensions of what a snail cam should be.  Just the major radius is all thats 
really necessary.

Hurricane Mitch and the Red
Dinosaur

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Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:50:26 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak

>> I have raised breathers, but, yes, I will check to see if they're
>> clogged.  The weird thing is that this leak (apparently) started while
>> she just sat, when internal diff pressure wouldn't have been an issue.

>What I have always wondered is...what causes this pressure?
>Is it the heating cooling/expanding contracting thermal dynamics thang?  Or
>is it something to do with petroleum breaking down.

It has something to do with what an English chemist named Boyle came up 
with when thinking about gas pressure, volume and temperature.  It's in 
the law books.  And who knows there may be a petroleum fractional 
distillation thing going on as well.

Better living through chemistry

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
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Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:51:56 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines.

>Not so much power, but was interested in a stronger design.  Though I guess
>a 2.5 would be better then a 2.25

Yes, it even comes from the factory with a spin on filter adaptor 8*)

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:18:22 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Wheel Cylinder Sizes

Mitch, 1.25 to the front and 1" to the rear is correct - the 88 front
cylinders are the same as 109 rears, which is how I keep it straight.

I will admit though that I have seen your trick done more than once, as
well as swap back-to-front....

                         ajr

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:24:10 -0500
From: "Garrick Olsen" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: REAR MAIN SEAL PANIC

The project that will not end.

I pulled the motor to replace the rear main seal.
The replacement was a IIa set up, so needed the retainer...
then the timing chain and the bloody front cover and,well...

There was mention of the cork "T" pieces for the rear seal set up in a 
digest entry I got today.

WHAT the HELL are they for?

I replaced the black "t" 's along the side of the heavy metal below the rear 
crank.  I have leftover cork looking "T" 's!!!!

Of course, I have everything back together now and am just waiting for a day 
to rent the lift for the third time.  I thought the cork was just a IIa vs 
II thing and did not look too hard for the old ones.

DO I NEED TO TAKE IT ALL APART AGAIN????

- -Rik in Minnesota
1960 Ser II SWB SW
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:48:27 -0500
From: "Smokey Briggs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: PTO praise

Considering the amount of jury rigging you might think Gannet's accountants
had a hand in it, but no, we're just a small daily in a small family-owned
chain. Much better quality of life than working for the big boys. And hey,
the fun is in the rigging.

Best to all,

Smokey Briggs
Pecos, Texas

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:42 AM
Subject: LRO: Re: PTO praise

> not owned by Gannet are you Smokey?
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Smokey Briggs <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:58 PM
> Subject: LRO: PTO praise
>
>
> > You never know when a PTO winch is going to save the day.
> >
> > You take a lot of grief owning an unairconditioned vehicle that tops out
> at
> > 50 in West Texas. I publish the newspaper here in Pecos. This morning we
> got
> > a special shipment of paper in. Paper comes in 1,000 pound rolls, 27
> inches
> > wide. Our shipments are supposed to be shipped rolling, since we do not
> have
> > the equipment to move it when it is laid down flat. Well, this 24 roll
> > shipment came on the flats. You just cannot pick one of these up and set
> it
> > on end, no matter how many people you have, and its not safe to try.
> >
> > Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig
> > winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering
and
> > presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of
> > money today.
> >
> > All the best from West Texas
> > Smokey Briggs
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:00:18 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200
From: jos de vries <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye

Marin Faure wrote:
>>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining.

>In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement
and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short
after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The
asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles.

I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those instances 
where people are actually working with the material.  But the hysteria over 
asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and clutch 
linings which are machine-made.  If the manufacturing facility is set up 
properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within 
safe limits.  I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's just a 
greasy rock.  Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots.  
Asbestos is a very useful material.  Like nuclear power, the trick is to work 
with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear.  When they took asbestos 
out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, but it 
created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:51:03 -0400
From: "Sergi, Michael" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge

I am trying to repair my dual Smiths oil pressure/temperature gauge.  The
oil pressure works fine but the temperature gauge won't budge.  So, I have
completely disassembled it and have found the only thing that can't be
working is the temperature sender from the engine.  To me it looks like the
sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge.  The
liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle.
I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line.  Anyway,
it looks like at the end of the sender there is a small hole which has been
soldered over.  It looks like this is the fill hole for the liquid. Is it
possible to drill this out, refill and solder closed.  If so, what is the
liquid inside.  Alcohol, maybe?  If not, does anyone know where to get a
temperature sender, or a complete gauge at a reasonable price?

Mike
64 SIIA

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:19:46 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Wheel Cylinder Sizes

88 Wheel Cyl's
Front - 1.25"
Rear  - 1.0"

Don't have the cam dim's

JT/ric

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:21:51 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge

My understanding (and I use that word with a bit of caution) is that the
substance in there is a salt of some sort.  The tube on mine broke off right
at the sender and that's what I found.  But the expansion with temperature
still holds true as you thought.

I don't believe this is a do-it-yourself fix.  Check with Palo Alto
Speedometer, I've had great luck with them and they can at least tell you
what you are up against here.  Or they can do the repair if you wish -
probably much cheaper than replacement I would assume.  I don't know if they
have any web presence but they can be reached at 650-323-0243.  Usual
disclaimers of course.

Hope that helps.

Rich Williams
'60 SII 109sw "Lucy"

> I am trying to repair my dual Smiths oil pressure/temperature gauge.  The
> oil pressure works fine but the temperature gauge won't budge.  So, I have
> completely disassembled it and have found the only thing that can't be
> working is the temperature sender from the engine.  To me it looks like
the
> sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge.  The
> liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the
needle.
> I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line.  Anyway,
> it looks like at the end of the sender there is a small hole which has
been
> soldered over.  It looks like this is the fill hole for the liquid. Is it
> possible to drill this out, refill and solder closed.  If so, what is the
> liquid inside.  Alcohol, maybe?  If not, does anyone know where to get a
> temperature sender, or a complete gauge at a reasonable price?
>
> Mike
> 64 SIIA
>

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:15 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge

A very similar gauge can be had out of MGs of the same period - I've used
them from MG Midgets with good results.

That's not alcohol in there, BTW, it's Ether! be DAMN careful with heat or
flame as that stuff is most flammable.

                    ajr

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:47:49 -0400
From: "Ted Treanor" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

What about the poor mechanic taking off a brake drum filled with 40,000
miles worth of asbestos brake dust? On any brake assembly that needs a few
whacks to loosen the drum, a cloud of brake dust fills the air. Do you know
anyone that wear a respirator while doing a brake job?

The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead to
the pads?

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of Faure, Marin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:00 PM
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200
From: jos de vries <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye

Marin Faure wrote:
>>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining.

>In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement
and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short
after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The
asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles.

I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those instances
where people are actually working with the material.  But the hysteria over
asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and
clutch
linings which are machine-made.  If the manufacturing facility is set up
properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within
safe limits.  I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's just
a
greasy rock.  Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots.
Asbestos is a very useful material.  Like nuclear power, the trick is to
work
with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear.  When they took
asbestos
out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, but
it
created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:15:05 -0400
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge

Are you sure Al? I think ether breaks down into something even more
explosive.

On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:15 -0400, you wrote:

. . . .
>That's not alcohol in there, BTW, it's Ether! be DAMN careful with heat or
>flame as that stuff is most flammable.
>
>                    ajr

- --
Gerald
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:40:03 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

No LR related but here's a good one.  My folks recently had one of their
bathroom floors replaced recently due to water damage.  The house was built
in 1980 which is around the same time that asbestos use was banned in
residential flooring.  Yet there was still quite a lot of asbestos-laden
flooring in the supply chain through the very early eighties.  Anyway, some
poor laborer took a power saw to the flooring and unknowingly filled the
house with asbestos dust (as well as his lungs - yikes!).  That night I was
laying on the floor looking down into the framing to inspect the damage
(I've built several homes in the past and was keeping an "eye" on things for
my parents).  When I stood up from the prone position I looked at one of the
floor scraps laying about and thought it looked suspicious.  The test is to
bend the flooring.  If you take a corner and bend it up and it easily
flexes, no problem.  But if you bend it over and it snaps and breaks as if
it were brittle then it is likely positive for asbestos.  I immediately had
it tested and sure enough - loads of the junk.  And I was white with dust
from laying on the floor - so who knows what will happen in the future.  And
how many old bathroom floors does this other guy saw up in an average year,
not knowing anything about what he is cutting into??   $55,000 later the
insurance company (who recommended the contractor who did the bathroom
repair) had the house cleaned up.  But that still left carpet with a lot of
asbestos so that had to be replaced at an additional cost of many thousands
of dollars.  The contractor immediately filed for bankruptcy protection and
left town.  Apparently, with several of the insurance company's jobs in a
similar state of chaos with asbestos problems and the like.

And so life goes on....

Rich

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Treanor <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:47 AM
Subject: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

> What about the poor mechanic taking off a brake drum filled with 40,000
> miles worth of asbestos brake dust? On any brake assembly that needs a few
> whacks to loosen the drum, a cloud of brake dust fills the air. Do you
know
> anyone that wear a respirator while doing a brake job?
>
> The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead
to
> the pads?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of Faure, Marin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
> Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)
>
>
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200
> From: jos de vries <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye
>
> Marin Faure wrote:
> >>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining.
>
> >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the
pavement
> and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short
> after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The
> asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles.
>
> I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those
instances
> where people are actually working with the material.  But the hysteria
over
> asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and
> clutch
> linings which are machine-made.  If the manufacturing facility is set up
> properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within
> safe limits.  I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's
just
> a
> greasy rock.  Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots.
> Asbestos is a very useful material.  Like nuclear power, the trick is to
> work
> with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear.  When they took
> asbestos
> out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life,
but
> it
> created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches.
>
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
> telephone (425)393-7721
> mobile (206)650-5622
> fax: (425)393-7741
> e-mail: [email-masked]
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:36:03 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye)

> The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead
> to
> the pads?
> 
	Not sure if it works for disc brake pads but for brake shoes you put
plugs of 2B pencil lead (Graphite) in the leading edge of the shoe. I use
2mm clutch pencil leads. Just drill a 1.99mm hole in the lining a break opff
a piece of lead in each hole. Two rows of holes, staggered to cover most of
the width seems to do the trick.

	This was a Rolls-Royce recommended procedure on drum brakes. The
graphite lubricates the lining enough to prevent the stick/slip that causes
squealing.

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:37:30 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: very slight LR content

> As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the title
> of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs
> http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:11 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: very slight LR content

Easton Trevor A writes:

> > As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the
title
> > of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs
> > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802

And the above mentioned article states:

..."The problem is that the keywords include vague terms including
"ll-series", "daddo" and "neighbor". Anyone who has an innocent image file
with this text in its name will be reported to the authorities"...

Well what if I take a jpeg image of my "neighbor" who is cutting a "daddo"
into a board on a table saw powered by the PTO on his "ll-series" Land
Rover?  Should I email that image directly to Interpol, Scotland Yard and
the FBI?  What if it was a hot day out and the neighbor was wearing only
shorts, would there be a disproportionate amount of skin in the image?  And
because of the image content I would obviously name this file
neighbordaddoll-series.jpg.

I think I have too much time on my hands.  Off to shoot some images for the
authorities.....

Rich

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:12:25 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Weird Salisbury leak (again)

All this talk of the rationale behind breathers has really been
fascinating, but my main question seems to have become lost amongst it,
so I'll just ask again (but be a lot briefer this time 'round):

Anyone ever experience a leak at the front of the diff that is NOT a
leaky pinion seal?  My Salisbury's leaking from where the nut holds the
flange to the pinion--like the oil's making its way out the splines.  I
don't remember it having a felt washer in there.  Anyone have any
suggestions for staunching this flow?  Would it work at all to pull the
flange and put some sort of sealant on the splines?  My hunch is that it
wouldn't since whatever I put in there would doubtlessly be destroyed
quickly by the forces on the splines.  Other thoughts?

bill

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:37:25 +0100
From: "Mike Rogers" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re-lashing cleats

>>>>nifty flush mounting lashing points.  Basically, an approximate 3"
square
chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in
place.  Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes.!).  I have heard
rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue.  Anyone know where to get
them<<<<

SSSSSHHH don't shout about these things. These latest British MOD Flush
Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns are still on the secret list and subject to
official secrets act (subsection 223b "Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns"
restrictions).

This post has already lead to the start of an SIB investigation to see how
information on this new innovation has become public knowledge. Beware a
"FART" (Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns)  investigation team may be on
its way,

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:05:32 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float

>My Luscombe 8-A, was calibrated in 1/4 ; 1/2;  3/4;  and Full. It read via a 
>cork float, and lever with gearset behind a little glass window. The gauge 
>was right behind the pilots head. Much like Perrones' CB.   

>Back then it was "improper" according to the FAA to run auto gas in your 65 
>"screaming horsepower" wonder. If you were clever though when you put the gas 
>can down at the pump in town, the AVGAS label was toward your tire. When you 
>were pouring it into the plane it was toward the rest of the flight line. Now 
>sadly, it is legal with the right paperwork, and pilots have one less thing 
>to be clever about. All discussion about whether it is clever or not can be 
>tabled for later. 

An 8-A was the second plane I flew, my dad rebuilt two, a rag wing and a
metal wing. Sold the rag wing to pay for the metal wing. He sold the J3
to buy the two wrecked 8-As.

As I recall, there was a "rear-view" mirror above the wind screen that
showed the fuel gauge. If you looked directly at the fuel gauge, the
printing was backwards so you could read it correctly in the mirror.
Getting pretty close to British engineering if you ask me :-)

The 8-A was also where I became one of those "who had". Fortunately just
pride, one wingtip, and one prop. Of course it was while everyone at MEB
was watching!

Steve

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:17:34 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: very slight LR content

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> > As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the title
> > of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs
> > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802
Better be a pretty smart virous to navagate this Solaris file system.
But if so, I can assure you it will find jpgs with series-II in the
title :-)

Steve

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:00:21 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: lurking no more

Kyle writes: >>>I've learned alot about
> rovers by breaking things then figuring out what they do, how they work,
and
> how to fix what I screwed up.  <<<

yep, that's the school I went to as well :-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:50:00 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye

Marin writes: >>>Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils,
but it's for our Range Rover,
> to keep the brake pads from squealing.  Works like a charm.  Not
> my idea, but "stolen" from a Rolls Royce mechanic I used to know.  It's
how he
> (and other Rolls Royce shops) stopped the brakes on the cars they service
from
> squealing after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake
lining.<<<

my 'first' father-in-law worked at the Rolls factory in Crewe and, on one of
my infrequent visits I saw a bunch of apprentices cutting up pencils. When I
asked and was told what they were doing I asked if there wasn't another way.
The guy I was talking to said there wasn't so I wondered aloud why no-one
had contacted a pencil manufacturer to find out where they got their
graphite from to put in the pencils. There was an embarrassed silence but I
leaned later that they had gone ahead and done just that!

BTW last week I went to the Bolton Steam Museum, full of really old, big,
engines that used to power the old cotton mills in the 19th Century ( a
rough job mine, but someone has to do it). In a corner was a generator and
board built by Royce in the days before he met Rolls.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:34:20 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)

and with Fiat owning Ferrari...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Treanor <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:47 PM
Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)

> I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion: Right
> now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979
> Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;)
>
> Ted Treanor
> 1962 88" SW
> Trumbull, CT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of RON WARD
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?
>
>
> Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion
>
> >>> [email-masked] 05/29/01 11:42AM >>>
> Ferrarri
> >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair
>
> eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?
>
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
>
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:03:18 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Mounting Sand Rails

The one vehicle I have seen that had the rails mounted like that only had
one on when I got there. The other side had been ripped out on a tree...

Pink Panthers don't find too many trees in the desert...
Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: kyle vandyke <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: LRO: Mounting Sand Rails

>
>
> I've got a pair of sand rails (galvanized steel about 25 lbs each) that I
> want to mount on the sides of my soft top 109.  I was going to get a shop
to
> fabricate some mounts based on pictures of the pink panther rover.  My
> question is do I need some special reinforcement along the sides?  Pink
> Panthers appear to have some type of reinforcement panel running the
length
> of the side (or maybe it's just bulletproofing - not really needed on my
> rover.) Anyone else have experience mounting similar heavy objects to the
> rear panels?
> Thanks,
> Kyle Van Dyke
> 1971 SIIA 109
> 1992 RR
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:47:36 -0400
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)

Fiat,

Fix it again Tony!

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: 30 May, 2001 04:34 PM
Subject: LRO: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)

> and with Fiat owning Ferrari...
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>     +--+--+--+
>      I !__|  [_]|_\___
>      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Treanor <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:47 PM
> Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)
>
>
> > I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion:
Right
> > now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979
> > Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;)
> >
> > Ted Treanor
> > 1962 88" SW
> > Trumbull, CT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> > Behalf Of RON WARD
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?
> >
> >
> > Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 05/29/01 11:42AM >>>
> > Ferrarri
> > >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair
> >
> > eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?
> >
> > Niall Forbes
> > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
> >
> > "See the happy moron,
> > He doesn't give a damn.
> > I wish I were a moron.
> > My God! Perhaps I am!"
> > --author unknown
> >
> >
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> >
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