Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #389

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:19:33 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, May 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 389

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:02:27 -0700
From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Stray 88"?

Does anyone who belongs to a tan SII 88" with a front tow bar and Ferrarri
conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair facility in
Fallon, NV?  It has New Mexico plates and though it seems a bit rough looks
complete and has a great frame.

Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV.
1972 SIII 88"
1968 SIIB 110" FC

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:23:59 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement

Engine - most definitely. No seatbox removal and no buggering with the
driveshafts or the roof (or however you lift it out).

                    ajr

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:31:12 -0400
From: Bill Adams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement

Steve, the engine really should come out as the crank must be pulled to
replace the seal.
- -- 
Bill Adams
Motion Graphics/3D Design Director
IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC
[email-masked]
202-205-9638

1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel
1981 Honda GoldWing Standard
1963 Pearson Vanguard
"Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:42:39 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?

Ferrarri
>conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair

eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: 29 May 2001 09:05:35 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?

I'm guessing he's not.  We used to call this a Porsche conversion.  It's a humorous reference to the fact that the engine is being worked on, and the major components are being stored in the back while the operation is stalled for the arrival of parts or funds.

Bryan 
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Tue, 29 May 2001, "N Forbes" wrote:

> 
> Ferrarri
> >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair
> 
> eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
> 
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
> 
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:07:15 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover Exhaust Pop

I had a non-landrover vehicle once, that slowed and slowed while accelerating
as if building up some sort of resistance. Finally at 30 mph and foot on the
floor, it completely disintergrated it's exhaust by blowing it into a million
pieces like a shotgun blast. There was shredded muffler material all over the
road and under the car.  After that it ran very well indeed, loud but well.
Mark Pilkington

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Timing may be off but I would lay long odds you have an exhaust manifold
> leak. Seen this one myself many times - usually when the downpipe loosens
> up off the manifold.
>
>                     ajr

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:08:23 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:51:41 -0400
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Tuning by eye

Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>A good quick-and-dirty way to check your mixture and ignition burn is to
look at the inside of the exhaust pipe after a drive.

>Such "tuning by eye" used to be a good reference.  Indeed, I could judge
the health of any engine by how the tailpipe looked.  However, since the
introduction of oxygenated fuels, particularly that evil substance methyl
tetrabutyl ether, a "healthy" engine no longer has a grayish-brown exhaust.

Perhaps the fuel we get in the northwest is formulated differently than the fuel 
in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs light gray 
or light brownish gray after a drive.  I've noticed that newer vehicles (from the 
late 80s on) have exhaust pipes that almost always appear black on the inside, 
which I assumed was due to the changes in emissions characteristics of newer 
engines.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:15:37 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:26:34 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil

>Marin-
Sometimes I think *you* have bananas in *your* rocker cover...

Probably true.....

>Seriously, do you really lump MMO in with snake oil like Slick 50? One is a
miracle cure, and the other is an additive that helps old engines operate
smoother as they age and move into this time of designer fuels for which
they weren't designed.

I can only repeat what I have been told by a lot of mechanics over the 
years, automotive and aircraft, and to a man they lumped all additives 
together into their "worthless snake oil" categories.  Marvel Mystery 
Oil was given the same cynical review as Slick-50, Prolong, STP, etc.  
Clever marketing, worthless product.  That's what I've been told by 
a lot of professional mechanics who I figured knew what they were talking 
about, so I have no reason to dispute them.  But I have no concrete proof 
of my own that additives do or don't work.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:18:06 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Stray 88"?

> and Ferrarri
> conversion (head in the back) 
> 
	No Niall, not the Tessa Rossa it's the Ferrarri (Note the 2
Rs)Plumbing Supplies Field Toilet, hence the head in the back

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:20:36 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: West Marine

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:52:05 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO:  West Marine

>They also had a couple of nice waterproof VHF tranceivers.  They have built
in scanners and get the weather alert channels.  Is a VHF radio the same
thing as a CB...can they talk to each other?  Or is this something else?

The only thing you'll be able to do with a marine VHF radio is talk to boats 
and get marine weather broadcasts.  VHF is not the same as CB, and you 
cannot use one to talk to or receive the other.  In fact, VHF marine bands 
are distinct from VHF aviation bands, so even though they are both "VHF" 
boats cannot talk to airplanes.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:33:48 -0500
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine

>The only thing you'll be able to do with a marine VHF radio is talk to boats
>and get marine weather broadcasts.

And without a shore station license, it's illegal to operate a marine 
VHF when not afloat. (Not sure if a wading Rover qualifies.)

The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine 
along with the rest of it.

jeff
- -- 
==
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                     [email-masked]
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	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:04:27 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:50:27 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

>Now Jim, I can guarantee you that 90% of all professional mechanics can't
reason at a high enough level to figure that out. Most couldn't fix a
lawn mower with $100 bill.  Marin's problem is listen to professional
mechanics.  I am one and I supervise 15 others and not one of those can
tell the difference between objective and subjective, but that doesn't
stop any one from drawing objective conclusions from small batches of
subjective data.

I agree that a lot of so-called professional mechanics, particularly those who 
work for dealerships at close-to-minimum-wage don't know much.  But these 
are not the kind of mechanics I'm talking about.  Some of them have been 
very experienced aircraft mechanics, for which you have to go to school, 
pass tests, etc. in order to get your license.  Others have been the owners 
of independent repair shops who worked on things like Ferraris, Aston 
Martins, BMWs, etc., and still others were guys who made a living building hydroplane 
engines, both unlimited (in the days before the turbines) and limited.  So I 
didn't consider them run-of-the-mill grease monkeys.

Other than the lead 
substitute, the STP in my worn-out steering relay, and my ten-minute experiment 
with STP in 1973, I've never used an additive 
in any component of my SIII.  In 28 years, I've never had a differential problem, 
transfer case problem, hub problem (other than worn-out seals), swivel ball 
problem, or engine problem outside of two burned exhaust valves.  The 
driveline play in my vehicle today is exactly the same as it was when I took delivery 
in 1973- 1/8 of a turn, and the driveline has never been worked on or apart.  So in my 
experience on my vehicle, I don't see where additives would have accomplished 
anything at all.  I'm not saying they're bad (except for STP, which I know is bad from 
experience), only that from what I've observed and been told by people I believe have the 
credibility to know, additives don't do much other than drain your wallet.  An engine in 
good condition, properly tuned, and driveline components that haven't been abused and 
have had their lubricants kept clean and changed on schedule shouldn't need any additives 
to keep them that way.  A mechanic who works on the engines in the de Havilland Beavers 
I fly once compared additives to the sugar pills used in drug effectiveness tests- the people 
taking them think they're actually doing something and so sometimes exhibit improved health, 
when in fact, the pills aren't physically doing anything at all.  So if you think Marvel Mystery Oil 
or Prolong or whatever is making a difference in your vehicle, by all means keep using it.  Even 
if it isn't doing a damn thing, the fact that you think it is makes you feel better, and that can be 
worth the price alone.  That's why I used a lead substitute.  I doubt it really does anything, but 
I feel like I'm extending the life of my engine by putting it in.

As I said, if these things were so great, engine manufacturers would be recommending them if 
for no other reason that to reduce warranty claims.  The notion that the manufacturers aren't 
recommending them because they would make their engines last too long is right up there 
with the conspiracy notion about the 100 mpg carburetor the car makers don't want you to know 
about.

Slightly related topic- there was an article in a recent Seattle Times about diesel-powered 
cars in Europe that are getting 75 mpg.  The gist of the article was that Europe has 
embraced diesel technology (for years) and is using it to create very high-mileage vehicles.  
The US, on the other hand, is as usual pooh-poohing diesels as a viable power plant for 
smaller vehicles.  In addition to the resistance from the US automakers, environmentalists 
are decrying the evils of diesels despite the fact that in Europe, they have gotten diesels 
pretty clean lately.  The only remaining problem, according to the article, is the particulates 
in the exhaust, but apparently several manufacturers are working on filtration systems to 
eliminate that problem, as well.  I guess the only thing that will spur US manufacturers to 
seriously explore new engine technologies is gas prices at European levels, which will 
happen eventually.

The more I travel, the more amazed I am after seeing the horrendous traffic conditions 
all over the globe, and film at airports with hundreds or thousands of aircraft movements 
a day all over the globe, that the world doesn't run out of oil tomorrow.  Take a busy 
city like Chicago, New York, LA, Denver, San Francisco, etc., and then think about the 
fact that the traffic and fuel use is just as heavy in Rome, London, Dubai, Hong Kong, 
Tokyo, Sydney, Bombay, Berlin, Kuala Lumpur, etc., etc., etc., and it's hard to believe 
there's enough oil in the dirt to keep all this running for a day, let alone for years and years.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:25:37 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Gas tank float

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:25:25 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Gas tank float

>Now I know why my gas gauge isn't working. The float, doesn't. There's a 
chunk of styrofoam on the end of the lever that seems to have lost the will 
to stay at the top. Is this material normal? I'm afraid of styrofoam 
chunking out into my tank and I'm not sure if it's a SPOT. I've got some 
rubber sump pump floats I could carve up...

In a Series III, at least, the float was a plastic cylinder that clipped into 
the end of the sender arm.  When mine went bad years ago, I asked 
the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts, 
Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted 
in front of the cockpit.  A float in the tank was attached to a vertical rod that 
stuck up through the cowling in front of you.  As you used fuel, the rod would 
get shorter as the float moved down in the tank.  The rod may have been calibrated 
in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes.

The answer was cork.  So I made a cork float that fit the arm of my sending unit.  
I was concerned about cork bits coming off and clogging my fuel line, and so asked 
the mechanics if they coated the cork with anything back in the "old days."  They 
said, yes, shellac.  So I bought a little can of shellac and painted my cork float 
with it.  This was twenty years ago.  I have not had the fuel sender off the tank since 
then, so I have no idea what condition my shellacked, cork float is in.  But the fuel 
still gauge works perfectly, and my fuel line is unclogged with no cork bits in the 
sediment bowl or in-line filter, so I guess it's all still holding up in there.

More evidence that my Land Rover is actually a "Not-A-Rover".......... :-)

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:42:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote:

:in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs light gray
:or light brownish gray after a drive.  I've noticed that newer vehicles (from the
:late 80s on) have exhaust pipes that almost always appear black on the inside,
:which I assumed was due to the changes in emissions characteristics of newer
:engines.
:

It's the catalytic converters.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:59:43 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine

The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine
along with the rest of it.

jeff

And most if not all 2-meter and multiband Ham radios have the capability of
receiving the NOAA weather stuff...

Another good reason to take the test and get a proper radio.

                    ajr

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:09 -0700
From: "Dick Love" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

The mechanic who rebuilt my Vincent has a pretty good petigree....Shelby's,
Gurney's, Porsche (both USA and Europe) racing teams. This includes Formula
1, Can Am, and Indy. He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars
before and during filming.
When we fired up the Vin for the first time it was MMO that was poured into
the top end before that first kick. He still pours a little in my gas tank
when I bring the bike by for a "visit". It appears that he sees some value
in it. Maybe just superstition but What The Hell! Why not?

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:19:24 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?

Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion

>>> [email-masked] 05/29/01 11:42AM >>>
Ferrarri
>conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair

eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm 

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:21:44 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

Apropos of this discussion I came across the following comment last night 
on the Zenith Homebuilt mailing list archive.  I'm not sure of the 
etiquette here so I haven't included the guy's email address but the 
archives can be found at

http://www.matronics.com/search/

>A few years back when I owned a racing engine R&D business with a in house
>dyno I was approached by a big name oil additive company which I won't say
>who they are, anyway they wanted to use my good name to tape an infomercial
>showing a small block Chevy that was highly modified running without oil.
>After some prodding it was revealed that this motor was built using roller
>bearings throughout. Main and rod and cam bearings were caged needles with
>all of the journals chrome plated to harden them. The piston skirts were
>teflon coated with teflon buttons pressed into them. This rigged engine cost
>them 34,000$ to build and they wanted me to state that I built this motor and
>it was using regular bearing in it.The strange thing is that they went to
>some guys up in the New England area and conned them into filming it there.
>If you can run a motor without oil then why not just treat all motors with
>this miracle stuff and put all of the oil companies out of business. The
>truly amazing thing is that people watch these shows and believe them.
>Remember if it is to good to be true it is BS. Anybody want to buy a bridge?

Like Marin, I am deeply dubious about anything that is not approved by 
engine manufacturers but I must say that Radiator Stop-Leak has worked once 
or twice for me quite nicely.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:29:11 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

>He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars
>before and during filming.

On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost 
Drive-in.

Keith

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:36:08 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float

At 10:25 29/05/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote
  I asked
>the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts,
>Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted
>in front of the cockpit.  A float in the tank was attached to a vertical 
>rod that
>stuck up through the cowling in front of you.  As you used fuel, the rod 
>would
>get shorter as the float moved down in the tank.  The rod may have been 
>calibrated
>in gallons

It's going back a bit but as I recall none of the Aeroncas, Cubs, or 
Taylorcraft I flew had any markings on the rod although why not is beyond 
me.  It would have been simplicity in itself to at least mark quarter and 
half marks in paint on the things.

As for the floats, yes they were cork but I also saw one that consisted of 
a ping pong ball expoxied or something to the end of the rod.

Given the weirdnesses I later saw in more complex aircraft fuel sensing 
systems I sometimes wondered whether bits of coat hanger stuck on lumps of 
cork might not have been more appropriate technology.

As for Land Rover fuel floats.  Mine in the SII is a metal cylinder.  A 
couple of years back I pulled it out in my attempt to fix some gauge 
problems and I discovered it to be partially flooded as a result of a pin 
hole leak.  I got the gas out of it by putting the float on a small 
electric hot plate outside and heating it for about an hour and then 
soldering the hole.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:55 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Camshaft Installation

Hey all!

In the process of rebuilding my "Spare" Series II engine. Got block bored .040 over, crank .020 under and head with new hardened seat,  all new valves with 3 angle job etc.

Was slow at the shop Saturday, so we started reassembling the engine. Got the crank and pistons in; with the new bearings of course, spins nicely.

After waiting on a customer, started sticking the cam in. Goes in nicely until we get to the second (from the front) cam bearing. Ain't no way the cam is going in past it. We even managed to knock it out of it's seat (knocked back in place with a whittled down piece of 2X4.)

Gave up after a while. Any ideas? 

                     Art
                     1960 SII "Aardvark"
- --
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:28:58 +0100
From: "Mike Rogers" <[email-masked]>
Subject: : LRO: The benefits of lurking

Hi Kyle

So having experienced the benefits of the list are out of "lurk mode" now?

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:06 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q

Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately?

hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to put it on
a dolly for transport.

Thanks,

Rich

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:33:34 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: GM alternator recommendations

Alan,
Thanks.  I called the local dudes and procured a 95 amp one for $110. 
Thanks to your info re. the case designation I was able to call up
sounding like a knowledgeable consumer instead of some poor schmuck who
drives a really old Pontiac Sunbird.

bill

On Tue, 29 May 2001 10:12:22 -0400 "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> Talk to a local rebuilder - the case you have is a 10SI case. Lots 
> of times
> they have "upgraded" ones that will give you 80 amps or so from that 
> case
> size (which is stock a 63Amp unit).
> 
> the 12SI case may or may not fit on the same mount - and that one 
> is
> nominally a 105 amp unit.
> 
> Talk to a local rebuilder - but be prepared for sticker shock...
> 
>                          ajr
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:50:39 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Scheidt [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:42 PM
> To:	'Land Rover Mail Group'
> Subject:	Re: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye
> 
> On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote:
> 
> :in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs
> light gray
> :or light brownish gray after a drive.  I've noticed that newer vehicles
> (from the
> 
> It's the catalytic converters.
> 
	It's not the CAT but the lack of lead. Miss Golightly has no CAT and
still has a black exhaust no matter how lean she burns. Marin probably still
has lead in the tank from the last time he filled up :-)

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:57:17 -0400
From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Scottish All Rover Weekend..

Ian Stuart <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Cole Strange(?), with his wife Victoria, make it from Kettering - and a 
>few parts-folks made it - but I only saw 2 CD's - mine and Peter E's.

That'll be Cole Stage - a local chap who got posted to the UK for two years
or so.  He's got a real nice 109 ambulance with a Mercruiser engine
conversion.  Not sure if he took it with him back to the UK....

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:53:41 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when
Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid
a day for three days on that junket.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Keith Tanner [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:29 PM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil
> 
> 
> >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars
> >before and during filming.
> 
> On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost
> 
> Drive-in.
> 
> Keith

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:01:28 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Camshaft Installation

You need to make a "cam guide" to hold the inner end of the shaft and pull
it through the bearings. Or stand the engine on end and carefully lower the
cam so it falls vertically into place

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:05 PM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	LRO: Camshaft Installation
> 
> Hey all!
> 
> In the process of rebuilding my "Spare" Series II engine. Got block bored
> .040 over, crank .020 under and head with new hardened seat,  all new
> valves with 3 angle job etc.
> 
> Was slow at the shop Saturday, so we started reassembling the engine. Got
> the crank and pistons in; with the new bearings of course, spins nicely.
> 
> After waiting on a customer, started sticking the cam in. Goes in nicely
> until we get to the second (from the front) cam bearing. Ain't no way the
> cam is going in past it. We even managed to knock it out of it's seat
> (knocked back in place with a whittled down piece of 2X4.)
> 
> Gave up after a while. Any ideas? 
> 
>                      Art
>                      1960 SII "Aardvark"
> --
> Art Bitterman
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:02:36 -0500
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders

>Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks?

Mine were made by ROAV member Stuart Moore 
<mailto:[email-masked]>. Not sure if he's still doing them or 
not.

jeff
- -- 
==
  Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                     [email-masked]
                      ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:14:13 -0500
From: Jeff Berg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders

My slider mounts were fabricated by Jared Silbersher. His 
self-imposed standard was that we should be able to lift the truck on 
the sliders. (And we'll be attaching shackle points to them one of 
these days so you could do just that.)

Jared chose stainless steel as the material--and thought that I 
should have had him fabricate sliders from that material as well. ;-) 
The mounts surround to the outrigger "crossmembers"  on three sides 
1/2" grade 8 pins hold the "collars" in place. I'll try to take some 
digital photos tomorrow to illustrate what I'm talking about.

RoverOn!

jab
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==
  Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                     [email-masked]
                      ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:24:16 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil

I'll watch, but that sounds more like "Grand Prix". Which showed last 
weekend :)

Keith

At 15:53 29/05/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when
>Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid
>a day for three days on that junket.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Tanner [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:29 PM
> > To:   [email-masked]
> > Subject:      Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil
> >
> >
> > >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars
> > >before and during filming.
> >
> > On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost
> >
> > Drive-in.
> >
> > Keith

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:40:41 -0400
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: John Cranfield...

you have been infected.  You are sending out a virus.  It goes under the
heading (FWD:Virus Warning)

Might want to debug yourself.  Deep Windows Off! works best.

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:01:34 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel

We've talked about the potential valve seat recession problems 
in the 2.25 petrol engine as a result of the elimination of leaded 
gasoline in this country (US).  I'm curious if the owners of 
2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the 
sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out?  Our trawler, which was built 
in 1973, is fitted with two, large, six-cylinder diesels.  These engines 
were designed to be run on fuel containing sulfur.  I don't know why 
the fuel companies put sulfur in diesel fuel, but they did.  Now the sulfur 
content of diesel fuel is being reduced, and in some cases 
eliminated to reduce harmful emissions.  I have been told by the shop that 
works on our engines, and I have read in several boating articles, that it's 
important to use a fuel additive with older diesel engines like ours, to restore 
the lubrication of the fuel injectors and parts of the injector or distributor pumps 
that used to be provided by the sulfur in the fuel.  The pumps themselves are 
lubricated with engine oil, but there are apparently components within them 
that get their lubrication from the fuel passing through.  The shop didn't say 
anything about the importance of sulfur to the valves and valve seats, however.

So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to cause 
valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines.  Anyone know?  And if 
the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes (like hardened 
seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc)
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:56:05 -0500
From: Jeff Cupp <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q

Don't know exactly but two or three stout guys can carry it around
pretty easily.

- -Jeff Cupp
1970 109 SW awaiting rebuild

At 12:45 PM 5/29/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately?
>
>hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to put it on
>a dolly for transport.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rich

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:41:57 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q

Not much.  Two healthy dudes can lift a brand new galvanized one (it
stinks to do, though), tho' of course I don't know how much mud/dirt is
stuck in yours.  I'd guess my new one weighed about 3-400 lbs.

bill

On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:06 -0700 "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
writes:
> Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately?
> 
> hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to 
> put it on
> a dolly for transport.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rich
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:41:39 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q

> Not much.  Two healthy dudes can lift a brand new galvanized one (it
> stinks to do, though), tho' of course I don't know how much mud/dirt is
> stuck in yours.  I'd guess my new one weighed about 3-400 lbs.

Not too much mud in the frame.  A bunch of gravel in the rear spring
outriggers, will have to get that out.  Also, looks like a mouse(s) took
most of the "horse hair" from the headliner and stuffed it into the main
frame piece where the wiring harness runs through.  Will try to flush as
much of the mouse poop out as I can.

After going over the stripped frame with the power washer it looks like it
is just beginning to rust in several areas so off to the sandblaster with
it.

Rich

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:47:01 -0400
From: "Ted Treanor" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?)

I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion: Right
now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979
Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;)

Ted Treanor
1962 88" SW
Trumbull, CT

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of RON WARD
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"?

Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion

>>> [email-masked] 05/29/01 11:42AM >>>
Ferrarri
>conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair

eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious?

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:12:09 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil

"Faure, Marin" wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:26:34 -0400
> From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil
> 
> >Marin-
> Sometimes I think *you* have bananas in *your* rocker cover...
> I can only repeat what I have been told by a lot of mechanics over the
> years, automotive and aircraft, and to a man they lumped all additives
> together into their "worthless snake oil" categories.  Marvel Mystery
> Oil was given the same cynical review as Slick-50, Prolong, STP, etc.
> Clever marketing, worthless product.  That's what I've been told by
> a lot of professional mechanics who I figured knew what they were talking
> about, so I have no reason to dispute them.  But I have no concrete proof
> of my own that additives do or don't work.

Actually, I have heard of (and used) a good use for STP. When you are
building up an engine use STP (straight) instead of oil. Back when my
dad had a garage (late '60s early '70s) they built a lot of race engines
and used this method. Seems the STP did a good job of lubricating
everything on the first start before the pump got pressure up (and made
STP happy -- they could say they used STP in advertising).

He never did this on aircraft engines, just used straight mineral oil.

Steve

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:18:04 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float

"Faure, Marin" wrote:

> 
> In a Series III, at least, the float was a plastic cylinder that clipped into
> the end of the sender arm.  When mine went bad years ago, I asked
> the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts,
> Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted
> in front of the cockpit.  A float in the tank was attached to a vertical rod that
> stuck up through the cowling in front of you.  As you used fuel, the rod would
> get shorter as the float moved down in the tank.  The rod may have been calibrated
> in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes.

The J3 I learned to fly in wasn't calabrated. When the lack of exposed
wire made you nervious, you landed. Sometimes on the road beside the
filling station :-)

Steve

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