Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #387

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:33:39 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *  Sunday, May 27 2001  Volume 01 : Number 387

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Date: 26 May 2001 08:29:51 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

On Fri, 25 May 2001, "Peter Ogilvie" wrote:
 
>Thought this was a universal >saying "Strong Back, Weak Mind."  Not 
>necessarily true.  I've got a weak >back developed from working on >Rovers.  

I too, injured myself with rover parts.  Sniffle, sniffle.   I was putting a spare transmission in the basement for safe storage, and on my way across the space I had to maneuver around all the other stuff down there.  Somehow, I lost my balance.  Well, I ended up with a torn rectal sheath.  It sort of sounds worse than it is.  The rectal sheath is a group of muscles around the lower intestine.  I thought for sure it was a hernia.  It took at least a year to heal and was very painful.  I bought the $275 cherry picker soon thereafter.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie" 

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:54:17 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hotfoot!

The Curse Of  The Hot Footwell is obviously mostly on the Left Hand Drive Land Rovers over here in the USA.  Right hand drive models place the driver away from the heat.  Coupled with that the air and road are hotter in an American summer.  Water spraying up and even
snow (when it used to snow in winter in Britain)  and generally cooler air would keep the floor cool in Blighty. That is also why Lucas has a bad name over here.  The plastic coating on the wires in a British car dry and crack over here whereas in Britain they last
longer and do not crack.  Either that or we are used to it.  The way to cool an Americaqn floor would be to wrap the exhaust with an exhaust bandage like the ones they use on expeimental aircraft with small cowlings and tight exhaust areas. Look up Chief Aircraft Parts
on the internet and you can buy some of these.  You can touch the exhaust after it has been running.

Just an irrellevant note to anyone who cares, I just put 4 new 245/75 16's on my Range Rover and transformed it.  It drives better, nothing rubs and it looks right too with the wheel filling the arch.
Kind regards,
Mark Pilkington

RON WARD wrote:

> The cheap dynamat-like material from JC Whitney.  Aluminum backed with adhesive strong enough to stick to the underside of the compartment.  Put as much on the engine side of the bulkhead and inside of the wings as you can to insulate that hot manifold and exhaust.
>
> >>> [email-masked] 05/25/01 03:39PM >>>
> As I spend time behind the wheel of my freshly mobile steed, Basil, I'm
> discovering some of the wonderful habits of our Series trucks. The newest
> is the hot footwell. The cause is obvious - that toasty exhaust pipe hiding
> behind a thin aluminium sheet. Has anyone tried insulating the pipe or the
> transmission tunnel? I'd prefer to put the insulation on the pipe or close
> to it instead of inside the truck. I might even have some old header wrap
> around somewhere. Suggestions, comments, dire warnings?
>
> Keith and Basil

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Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:35:48 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

> I was putting a spare transmission in the basement for safe storage, 
<snip>
>  I bought the $275 cherry picker soon thereafter.

Glad to hear it wasn't anything terminal.
So uhm, how do you use the cherry picker to put stuff in the basement?
Pete

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Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:46:53 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hotfoot!

I just had a thought, why not put a second skin under the foot well, spaced
out 1/2", like a tropical roof skin?
Only thing 'in the way' on mine is the throttle and it looks like that would
be easy to bump the skin around.
pete

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Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:52:05 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO:  West Marine

I just got a west marine catalog in the mail and found some neat stuff for
the land rover.  They have waterproof am/fm/cd radios and speakers for boats
that would make a great replacement for my waterlogged unit.

They also had a couple of nice waterproof VHF tranceivers.  They have built
in scanners and get the weather alert channels.  Is a VHF radio the same
thing as a CB...can they talk to each other?  Or is this something else?
Thanks
Pete

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Date: 26 May 2001 10:36:03 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  West Marine

Pete,

You can get water"proof" CB's with a 10 channel weather band.  (I have one)

VHF is a different animal.  It's FM and runs in the 157.5 to 159 frequency range (or there abouts).  CB's are AM, and are parked down around 38.  These are generalizations, and I apologize.  I know as I type this, the more knowledgible folks are responding as well.

The weather band is in the 162 range.  It's common to find the weather receivers in with CB's and car radio's now.

Bryan

62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Fri, 25 May 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

> 
> I just got a west marine catalog in the mail and found some neat stuff for
> the land rover.  They have waterproof am/fm/cd radios and speakers for boats
> that would make a great replacement for my waterlogged unit.
> 
> They also had a couple of nice waterproof VHF tranceivers.  They have built
> in scanners and get the weather alert channels.  Is a VHF radio the same
> thing as a CB...can they talk to each other?  Or is this something else?
> Thanks
> Pete

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Date: 26 May 2001 10:37:31 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

On Fri, 25 May 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

> 
> > I was putting a spare transmission in the basement for safe storage, 
> <snip>
> >  I bought the $275 cherry picker soon thereafter.
> 
> Glad to hear it wasn't anything terminal.
> So uhm, how do you use the cherry picker to put stuff in the basement?
> Pete

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Date: 26 May 2001 10:43:31 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

On Fri, 25 May 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

>So uhm, how do you use the cherry >picker to put stuff in the basement?
>Pete

Sorry for the previous blank reply.

I don't put anything heavy in the basement anymore.  I re-arranged the garage to accomodate drive train components.  The yard gets frames and boxes with a tarp over them (we have woods -thank goodness) and the basement has doors, radiators and roof parts.   There are two trannies still down there someone will have to help me with :-).

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

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Date: Sat, 26 May 01 10:22:41 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hotfoot!

>discovering some of the wonderful habits of our Series trucks. The newest 
>is the hot footwell. The cause is obvious - that toasty exhaust pipe hiding 
>behind a thin aluminium sheet. Has anyone tried insulating the pipe or the 
>transmission tunnel? I'd prefer to put the insulation on the pipe or close 
>to it instead of inside the truck. I might even have some old header wrap 
>around somewhere. Suggestions, comments, dire warnings?

When I first got The Green Rover, she need a klot of work just to get her 
going and one of the early itms was replacing a bad steering box.  Well I 
didn't get around to replacing the rear wing splash shield and I have 
never had a hot foot well problem.  I think the greatly increased airflow 
at the down pipe carries most of the heat away and helps kool the  foot 
well.  The down side is that I spend a lot more time cleaning dirt off 
the pedel boxes and maybe I get more water dripping down the pedals than 
those with thee splash shields in place.

My exhaust pipe runs directly inder my left underseat fuel tank.  I wrap 
the pipe for the lenth it is under my fuel tank plus a little.  I have 
had no ill effects from wraping just a short part of the system.

So I think you can get away with just wraping the exhause down pipe.

Take care,

TeriAnn         
                      http://www.overlander.net

  The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners
  with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide.

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:44:53 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

>In the thirty-plus years I have been driving cars, trucks, heavy equipment, 
>and airplanes, I have NEVER had a single professional mechanic say anything 
>good about any of the oil and fuel additives that are or have been on the
market.

I bet you never had a Butcher tell you fat (choice) beef was bad for you
either, or pork
or lamb or chicken. There is a reason for this it's called JOB SECURITY. If
a product
does what it says and what it says is within reason then you don't show up
at the shop
as often and they can't get into your wallet as deeply. I will grant you
most of the 
ones that sound like snake oil are crap, but several like MM oil and
Hi-tack are really
good products, another is the lead replacement sold by Southern States Farm
Co-op for 
older tractors that need leaded gas. There are so many around here that
they pre-mix it
before delivery.

Jim Wolf 

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:05:23 -0500
From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Need Frame

Hello the List!

I'm looking for frame sources. I need a frame for a 1967 109 diesel
pickup truck.

Any leads?

Andy Litkowiak

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:56:21 -0400
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: West Marine

Do NOT under any circumstances use VHF on land.  First of all, VHF radios
will only talk to others.  Second VHF use on land unless you have a license
will get you arrested FOR SHURE!  Third, VHF is line of sight transmission
only and things like trees, buildings, etc will make the signal almost
unusable.

Get a good CB, have it professionally "worked up" and tuned, and call it a
day.  I get anywhere from 4-10 miles out of my CB setup with a 4 foot
antenna.

- -P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of Hope Peter
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:52 AM
> To: Lro
> Subject: LRO: West Marine
>
>
> I just got a west marine catalog in the mail and found some neat stuff for
> the land rover.  They have waterproof am/fm/cd radios and
> speakers for boats
> that would make a great replacement for my waterlogged unit.
>
> They also had a couple of nice waterproof VHF tranceivers.  They
> have built
> in scanners and get the weather alert channels.  Is a VHF radio the same
> thing as a CB...can they talk to each other?  Or is this something else?
> Thanks
> Pete

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:35:04 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: need phone number...

Paging all OVLR members. My number list is missing, I have to contact Kevin
Willey. Does anyone have his phone number? He is in Nepean.

thanks...

J-L

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:53:23 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil

like many additives you get 'for' and 'against'.
 I've always used REDX in my fuel and I think it works. Marvel is a brand
leader in the States so, presumably it works as well... If I got offered a
US gallon at the right price I'd take it.
 I've also used various oil additives at various times.

Best Cheers

Frank
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Rogers <[email-masked]>
To: LRO List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: LRO: Marvel mystery oil

> Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil? I
> bought a US gallon today for two quid as a cheap substitute for Red X
> (should have been 3.50 but the tin is badly dented) the label makes a lot
of
> claims for the benefits from adding it to both sump oil and fuel.
>
> Mike Rogers
> Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
> LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn)
> (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:29:48 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal

Thanks Andy, a mate just brought round a sack trolley-like thing last
night - then he moved the slabs for me!!!
Best Cheers

Frank
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Smith <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal

> In message <000c01c0e54a$477897c0$0c02020a@FrankElson>, Frank Elson
> <[email-masked]> writes
> >wonder if they make a mobile hoist for paving slabs, or if I can modify
my
> >engine hoist (which does very well getting gearboxes out as well)
> >reason being, the new, improved, now healthy, me decided it was time to
> >finish the patio I started building a handful of heart attacks ago - and
put
> >me back out! Ouch and doh!
>
>
> Frank me old china, you should be able to hire a paving slab trolley
> thing. I seem to remember we used to have some on the hire fleet at
> work.
> ---
> Andy Smith
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:15:20 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Looking good

Hey list,
I had quite a nice trip in the Rover the other night. I was driving the Zit 
home from the gas station when I had to slow for a (blonde) pedestrian. As I 
drove past I (or the Rover?) got the best look/smile ever. Let me tell you, 
it felt good, boys.

Hope everyone else is having a good weekend.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: 26 May 2001 13:40:32 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

I've got good news and bad news.  The good news is she was smiling at you.  96% of the females on the planet don't give a rat's hairy bum for series trucks.  That's the bad news.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

On Sat, 26 May 2001, "N Forbes" wrote:

> 
> Hey list,
> I had quite a nice trip in the Rover the other night. I was driving the Zit 
> home from the gas station when I had to slow for a (blonde) pedestrian. As I 
> drove past I (or the Rover?) got the best look/smile ever. Let me tell you, 
> it felt good, boys.
> 
> Hope everyone else is having a good weekend.
> 
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
> 
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
> 
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:07:56 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

Hi All--

Bryan Hoult wrote:
> 
> I've got good news and bad news.  The good news is she was smiling at you.  96% of the females on the planet don't give a rat's hairy bum for series trucks.  That's the bad news.
> 

Hey, Niall, those are pretty good odds.  That leaves 4% that go for
series trucks.  If she goes for the truck, she'll go for any face that
only a mother could love.

<don't-do-that-it-only-encourages-him>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:37:50 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

hear, hear!
Best Cheers

Frank
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Ogilvie <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:03 AM
Subject: RE: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

> Thought this was a universal saying "Strong Back, Weak Mind."  Not
> necessarily true.  I've got a weak back developed from working on Rovers.
> Think the Rover infection was originally responsible for weakening mind,
at
> least rational reasoning when it comes to Rovers.  Muscling around heavy
> rover bits like blocks eventually manifested itself as a ruptured disc.
> Hopefully carving up my back will eventually cure the nerve damage from
the
> disk problem.
>
> Back problems are why I'm really down on playing King Kong with heavy
parts.
>   No fun having your right leg go paralyzed.  I can pin the disc rupture
to
> trying to lift one end of a bare engine block to clear a 1" step in my
> garage.  The initial paralysis went away almost as fast as it took me to
hit
> the ground.  Unfortunately the damage had been done though its full
> ramifications took a couple of years to show up.  I was bothered by
niggling
> lower back problems/sciatica for a couple of years, thereafter.  Then woke
> up from a nap in January with excruciating pain in my leg that proceded to
> creeping paralysis and numbness.  3 months after surgery I'm walking
without
> a limp but cannot make the leg move forward quickly.  Looks like my
running
> days are over.
>
> So yes, you can muscle around most of the parts on a Rover.  Is it worth
the
> risk to your anatomy??  NO WAY!!!!  The prospect of never walking again
> without crutches makes you acutely aware of your own mortality.  So be
> prudent and don't Roveritis ruin your body, its already too late for the
> mind.
>
>
>
>
> >From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >To: "'Peter Ogilvie '" <[email-masked]>,   "[email-masked]
'"
> >  <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: RE: LRO: Transmission Removal
> >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:52:08 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Personally, I'll pay the $200 for the hoist.  I'll let the 'he man'
> >types
> >have all the fun of R&R'ing via the strong back method.  You know what
> >they
> >say about the relationship of back strength to other human attributes.
> >
> >So what do they say?
> >Trevor "One ruptured disk, one shattered vertabra " Easton
>
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:42:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

On 26 May 2001, Bryan Hoult wrote:

:I've got good news and bad news.  The good news is she was smiling at
:you.  96% of the females on the planet don't give a rat's hairy bum for
:series trucks.  That's the bad news.

I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as
chick magnents, particularly soft tops.  Works at least until they notice
the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening.

David
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:09:30 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

>series trucks.  If she goes for the truck, she'll go for any face that
>only a mother could love.

Ivan, are you trying to say I've got a good face for radio? I hope I don't 
also have a good voice for newspaper  ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:43:27 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal

So uhm, how do you use the cherry picker to put stuff in the basement?
Pete

Simple - lowering it in through the bulkhead can be done pretty simply
depending on design.

Personally, I take 'em apart in the garage and then the sections go down
through the bulkhead in my hands.

Working smarter beats herniated discs - ajr

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:46:52 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  West Marine

Re: VHF radio:

That is marine band stuff - very illegal to use on land. You want good VHF,
get a Ham license and get a 2-meter rig.

                    ajr

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:50:27 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

Now Jim, I can guarantee you that 90% of all professional mechanics can't
reason at a high enough level to figure that out. Most couldn't fix a
lawn mower with $100 bill.  Marin's problem is listen to professional
mechanics.  I am one and I supervise 15 others and not one of those can
tell the difference between objective and subjective, but that doesn't
stop any one from drawing objective conclusions from small batches of
subjective data.  I have a group leader who will tell you that you can't
rering a Honda Prelude engine and have it not burn oil.  His data pool is
2 engines he didn't bother to read the precautions about before he honed
the cylinders.  This is typical.  Drawing conclusions when all the
variables are not controlled is risky business. The techs that understand
that keep there mouths shout, the ones that don't don't.

chris hall 
On Sat, 26 May 2001 01:44:53 -0400 "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
writes:
> >In the thirty-plus years I have been driving cars, trucks, heavy 
> equipment, 
> >and airplanes, I have NEVER had a single professional mechanic say 
> anything 
> >good about any of the oil and fuel additives that are or have been 
> on the
> market.
> 
> I bet you never had a Butcher tell you fat (choice) beef was bad for 
> you
> either, or pork
> or lamb or chicken. There is a reason for this it's called JOB 
> SECURITY. If
> a product
> does what it says and what it says is within reason then you don't 
> show up
> at the shop
> as often and they can't get into your wallet as deeply. I will grant 
> you
> most of the 
> ones that sound like snake oil are crap, but several like MM oil 
> and
> Hi-tack are really
> good products, another is the lead replacement sold by Southern 
> States Farm
> Co-op for 
> older tractors that need leaded gas. There are so many around here 
> that
> they pre-mix it
> before delivery.
> 
> Jim Wolf 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:08:36 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: "Low" ratio transfer case

> Why isn't it possible?  The gear on the intermediate shaft that engages
> the mainshaft gear has to be the same size as stock, so the od would
> still work.
>

They told me that the kit replaces the mainshaft gear, the intermediate gear
and the gear at the transfer case.

What I wanted to do was get the lowwer low range gear to compansate for the
larger tires, and still use the OD for highway conditions.

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:32:58 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO:  West Marine/East Range

> That is marine band stuff - very illegal to use on land. You want good
VHF,
> get a Ham license and get a 2-meter rig.

Thanks everyone.  I will not get one.
Just home from 6 hours of exploring some more of East Range.  We had 5
Series rovers on this trip.  We had a chance to explore some of the old WWII
bunkers and tunnel systems.

Trails were allot dryer this time so the steeper hills were not as slippery.
Still plenty of mud hols and a couple of hairy off camber situations, but
not a scary as last time.

I rigged up a cam corder, a small spotting scope tripod was mounted to the
passenger side dash.  So I got some video of our trip.  Need to figure out
which box has the video card in it, so I can convert some of the better
clips to avi and post on the web.

Got to play with the winch today, yeah.  A huge eucalyptis tree had fallen
since last trip.  We broke out an axe and chopped it into some smaller bits,
which I dragged off the trail with the Koenig :-)

Later all
Pete

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:55:21 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Marvels 

"Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]> wrote"

>Marin-
>Sometimes I think *you* have bananas in *your* rocker cover...

Yeah...besides, everyone knowns you use bananas in the transmission.... ;-)

>Seriously, do you really lump MMO in with snake oil like Slick 50? One is a
>miracle cure, and the other is an additive that helps old engines operate
>smoother as they age and move into this time of designer fuels for which
>they weren't designed.

I rebuilt my engine at about 150,000 miles in a fit of 'shipwright's
disease' (...all I *really* needed was a clutch slave....)  Having changed
the oil every 3,000 miles, the guy at the machine shop reported only .007"
of wear on the cylinders and no discernable wear anywhere else...went with
.020 over pistons.  Being somewhat parsimonious (OK, a lot...), since I had
a set of valves in the kit for a dozen years, I installed those, not
stellite ones. Leaded fuel looked like it was going to hang around for a
while still.  Less than a year later, it was history....

What to do?  Paranoid about valve seat recession, I used ReLead, a marine
gas additive in the tank, and Marvel in the vapor lubricator.  One - or
both - of these substances works wonders.  I ran with non-stellite valves
for another dozen years.  A worn guide on #4 exhaust caused it to tilt and
eventually crack, but the other cylinders were still measuring 160#
compression.  Not to shabby....

>I think stuff like High Tach, which keeps your gears gooey after the oil has
>settled, has done a good job preventing my diffs, ODs, etc from wearing -
>it's not used to restore a worn out piece of trash. Neither is MMO.

Another product I believe in.  I have a temperature sender in the T-box.
When I installed the overdrive in '77, I figured the transfer case would be
working harder.  Adding High Tach reduces summertime operating temperatures
by 70 to 90 degrees and that has to be a good thing....

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----*
  |                                                    |
  |              A. P. "Sandy" Grice                   |
  |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
  |  (757)423-4898  (757)622-7054  FAX (757)622-7056   |
  |                                                    |
  *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:20:32 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Rover stuff on ebay.

British Northwest has a "Prospective Owners Kit" that they sell for 5-10$
last time I saw it.  Included a parts catalog, and what to look for info.  I
got one years agao when I first got into Rovers.
ANyway someone is selling this on ebay......for $60
Hmm, I got a Rovers North catalog around here from 91.  Still like new
condition, must be worth 50$ yeah?
Pete

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=591725650

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:38:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rover stuff on ebay.

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Hope Peter wrote:

:British Northwest has a "Prospective Owners Kit" that they sell for 5-10$
:last time I saw it.  Included a parts catalog, and what to look for info.  I

They want a lot more for it now.  No idea why you'd want to pay for it,
though.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:05:51 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Rover stuff on ebay.

ooops, bonehead that I am, I didn't realise they are actually selling this
item for $60 now.
Pete

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:10:28 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: "Low" ratio transfer case

Well, then look for the gears from a suffix b transfer case, just the
intermediate and the low range ones.

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > Why isn't it possible?  The gear on the intermediate shaft that engages
> > the mainshaft gear has to be the same size as stock, so the od would
> > still work.
> >
> 
> They told me that the kit replaces the mainshaft gear, the intermediate gear
> and the gear at the transfer case.
> 
> What I wanted to do was get the lowwer low range gear to compansate for the
> larger tires, and still use the OD for highway conditions.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:53:53 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Tranny rebuild opinions sought

Since the begining of the restoration project I have planned on rebuilding
my tranny.  It's an "A" suffix unit, thought I would upgrde to a "D" unit
and have the whole thing sorted through.  Because this task exceeds my
abilities, I have two choices in this matter and would like everyone's
opinion.

1) I can have someone rebuild my tranny for me using genuine parts for a
considerable amount of money.

OR

2) I can purchase a ready-to-go "D" tranny for about a 50% savings - this
unit may/may not have been rebuilt with genuine parts.

Anyone have any wisdom to share here?  Any experience with buying rebuilt
tranny's?

TIA

Rich Williams
'60 SII 109 SW - Lucy

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:56:48 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 109 sw rear tub removal

The rear tub is finally coming off tomorrow.

Besides the bolts at the rear x-member and the four I found on the front,
are there any other fittings that beed to be removed?  I gave it a quilck
look tonight and thise were the only places I saw that were bolted down to
anything.  Is there anything "under" the tub to disconnect?

Thanks,

Rich Williams
'60 SII 109 SW - Lucy

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:36:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny rebuild opinions sought

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Rich & Lori Williams wrote:

:Since the begining of the restoration project I have planned on rebuilding
:my tranny.  It's an "A" suffix unit, thought I would upgrde to a "D" unit
:and have the whole thing sorted through.  Because this task exceeds my
:abilities, I have two choices in this matter and would like everyone's
:opinion.

Why is this beyond your abilities?  It's really not that hard.  Really.
It's not.  I've done it.  I didn't think I could, but the list convinced me
I could, and provided much help for the bits I couldn't figure out.  Follow
the procedure in the shop manual, and replace anything you think is suspect.
It probably won't require you to buy any new tools either.  Ask questions.
In my opinon, the only reason to buy a rebuilt tranny is because you don't
have time to do it yourself.

:
:1) I can have someone rebuild my tranny for me using genuine parts for a
:considerable amount of money.
:
:OR
:
:2) I can purchase a ready-to-go "D" tranny for about a 50% savings - this
:unit may/may not have been rebuilt with genuine parts.
:
:Anyone have any wisdom to share here?  Any experience with buying rebuilt
:tranny's?
:

Genuine parts aren't necessarily any better than non-genuine.  It might
be worth using them for things like gears and shafts, just for the piece
of mind, but for bearings and seals, get them locally.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:36:52 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: "Low" ratio transfer case

> Well, then look for the gears from a suffix b transfer case, just the
> intermediate and the low range ones.
> 
Thanks for the tip.  That is my current thought.
Pete

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:27:51 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: One of THOSE days

PS. It's the leaf sprung SIII that the clutch is playing up on, NOT the
Disco!

- -------------------------------------------------------------

Neil

1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch
Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers
Diff Guards
1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: LRO: One of THOSE days

> Nice day, thinks I. I'll move Harriet onto the drive (from the lawn!) so I
> can fix the brake master cylinder. Get in, engine turns on first key turn,
> loverly. Foot on clutch, hmm, not much pressure (at back of mind), release
> hand brake, release clutch and roll backwards.....ARGH. Handbrake ON, jump
> out. Land Rover blocking road. No way of moving it forward up hill. Look
at
> Disco (shining in the sun .. NOT), open back door, remove winching kit.
> Attach winching kit to front, attach cable to LR and off we go. Many MANY
> stares from neighbours, Land Rover happily parked where it was before,
cable
> nicely wound back on to drum :)
>
> So, question, what would cause the clutch to be stuck OFF? Hints?
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Neil
>
> 1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet'
> 1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master
Winch
> Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side
> Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks,
> Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers
> Diff Guards
> 1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty'
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:40:05 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery

A sage man once wrote:

<< I can guarantee you that 90% of all professional mechanics can't
 reason at a high enough level to figure that out. Most couldn't fix a
 lawn mower with $100 bill.  Marin's problem is listening to professional
 mechanics.  >>

That should be in stone somewhere.  Most mechanics draw their conclusions 
from their personal experience and that of their friends.--it is a typical 
syndrome, small sample, one or two bad outcomes, possibly due to inexperience 
and a definitive conclusion drawn

I see this all the time from surgeons with an experience of 1 case  ("Oh boy, 
this is a real bad actor, seen it before")  The hard part is trying to 
educate past this premature conclusion which soon becomes a personal belief.

Nate

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:51:46 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

4%?

I wonder what the odds are for one who would endure 3800 kms in a series
rover over 5 days, with average breakdown times of every hour...

J-L

;-)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

> On 26 May 2001, Bryan Hoult wrote:
>
> :I've got good news and bad news.  The good news is she was smiling at
> :you.  96% of the females on the planet don't give a rat's hairy bum for
> :series trucks.  That's the bad news.
>
> I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as
> chick magnents, particularly soft tops.  Works at least until they notice
> the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening.
>
> David
> --
> [email-masked]
> Bipedalism is only a fad.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:23:02 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good

David Scheidt wrote:
Well, get a radio. Sound deadening and air conditioning aren't needed
when the top is off.

> I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as
> chick magnents, particularly soft tops.  Works at least until they notice
> the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening.
> 
> David
> --
> [email-masked]
> Bipedalism is only a fad.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:34:25 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny rebuild opinions sought

They aren't that difficult to rebuild, as I did mine last year. You may
need one special tool for a nut on the input? shaft, which is like the
output shaft nut, only bigger. I made one for mine out of a piece of 
pipe. I think it came off without it, but I made the tool so I could put
it on tight, as it is hard to get a chisel in there to tighten it by the
unapproved method. On the other hand, you would also have a lower low
range with a suffix D tranny.

Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
> 
> Since the begining of the restoration project I have planned on rebuilding
> my tranny.  It's an "A" suffix unit, thought I would upgrde to a "D" unit
> and have the whole thing sorted through.  Because this task exceeds my
> abilities, I have two choices in this matter and would like everyone's
> opinion.
> 
> 1) I can have someone rebuild my tranny for me using genuine parts for a
> considerable amount of money.
> 
> OR
> 
> 2) I can purchase a ready-to-go "D" tranny for about a 50% savings - this
> unit may/may not have been rebuilt with genuine parts.
> 
> Anyone have any wisdom to share here?  Any experience with buying rebuilt
> tranny's?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rich Williams
> '60 SII 109 SW - Lucy

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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