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Just got the most recent edition of Land Rover Enthusiast magazine. Nice
piece on the MAR, Jeff. Thanks
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:25:48 -0400
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On 23/5/01 at 11:49, "N Forbes" wrote:
> Anybody see "Motor Week" today on Speedvision? I turned it on partway
> through and they were at some Land Rover training course. First thing
> I saw when I switched to it was a SIIa (I think) leading a bunch of
> Discos and a Range Rover on a trail. It was pretty tame stuff but it
> was still cool to see. Wish I'd seen the whole piece.
Speaking of which, has anybody ever seen _any_ video footage from the
2000 British Invasion at Stowe?
There was a two person crew (who had done some Speedvision work, I
believe) there that went on the trials course (with Quentin and some
others I believe). Although they were filming for the BI video, they
said there might be a chance for broadcast.
-David
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LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, May 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 382
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:53:22 -0400
From: Gerald
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
On Mon, 21 May 2001 17:37:51 -0400, you wrote:
>The Vampire and I will be at the OVLR BP.
>
> Great! I can't wait to see it. I want to film as much of all the 101's
>as I can. I'd like to see how the pneumatic mast works. In between running
>the trails, drinking, talking with all the friends I only see at the
>rally's, drinking, winching, drinking...
You are welcome to buy me a pneumatic mast. GPB1500 plus shipping and then
you can see it work. I suggest you bargain on the price, can't me much
demand for them.
- --
Gerald
ggg@mediaone.net
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:09:32 -0400
From: "Scott Wickham Jr."
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
You are welcome to buy me a pneumatic mast. GPB1500 plus shipping and then
you can see it work. I suggest you bargain on the price, can't me much
demand for them.
Oh, I thought I read that it had one. Maybe it read "this is where one
would go" or something. Have to pass on the purchase Gerald, that's too
many beer credits to spend on you. So I didn't get from what I read, why is
it called a Vampire?
Scooter
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:35:37 -0400
From: Gerald
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
On Mon, 21 May 2001 18:09:32 -0400, you wrote:
> Oh, I thought I read that it had one. Maybe it read "this is where one
>would go" or something. Have to pass on the purchase Gerald, that's too
>many beer credits to spend on you. So I didn't get from what I read, why is
>it called a Vampire?
"Had" an antenna as in past tense.
I have seen two explanations for the name Vampire. One starts with Vehicle
and the other VHF (for Very High Frequency) and the rest is Army Mobile
Position Indicating Interferometer Radio Equipment.
- --
Gerald
ggg@mediaone.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:10:45 -0000
From: "N Forbes"
Subject: LRO: sighting
Anybody see "Motor Week" today on Speedvision? I turned it on partway
through and they were at some Land Rover training course. First thing I saw
when I switched to it was a SIIa (I think) leading a bunch of Discos and a
Range Rover on a trail. It was pretty tame stuff but it was still cool to
see. Wish I'd seen the whole piece.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:32:37 -0400
From: "Lee Jones"
Subject: LRO: RE: sighting
I think you saw the R.O.V.E.R.S. off road event in VA. Speedvision took
pictures of it and it ran about 7 minutes (on a 1/2 hour show).
Lee
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On
Behalf Of N Forbes
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:11 PM
To: LRO@land-rover.team.net
Subject: LRO: sighting
Anybody see "Motor Week" today on Speedvision? I turned it on partway
through and they were at some Land Rover training course. First thing I saw
when I switched to it was a SIIa (I think) leading a bunch of Discos and a
Range Rover on a trail. It was pretty tame stuff but it was still cool to
see. Wish I'd seen the whole piece.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown
_________________________________________________________________________
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:56:31 -0600
From: "Jim Hall"
Subject: Re: LRO: Defender 110 on ebay
I like that last option on it... 4 wheel drive
- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:58:38 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
> Nothing like answering your questions, right?
>
Just received another follow up
70,000 and the truck is yours. Reserve is higher.
The truck is entirely built from the ground up. So the miles are about 120
for testing.
The odometer reads 51000 because we had to us a used one.
- -----Original Message-----
From: phope [mailto:phope@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:41 PM
To: Isaac Jacobson
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #589464331
Thanks for the reply, but you didn't answer all of my questions.
What is the reserve price?
How many miles on it?
Is it an actual 110? I notice that it doesn't have the standard Defender
rear chassis member, but rather an older Series rover one.
Thanks,
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:58:42 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
> Nothing like answering your questions, right?
>
Just received another follow up
70,000 and the truck is yours. Reserve is higher.
The truck is entirely built from the ground up. So the miles are about 120
for testing.
The odometer reads 51000 because we had to us a used one.
- -----Original Message-----
From: phope [mailto:phope@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:41 PM
To: Isaac Jacobson
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #589464331
Thanks for the reply, but you didn't answer all of my questions.
What is the reserve price?
How many miles on it?
Is it an actual 110? I notice that it doesn't have the standard Defender
rear chassis member, but rather an older Series rover one.
Thanks,
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:13:03 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
> Nothing like answering your questions, right?
>
Just received another follow up
70,000 and the truck is yours. Reserve is higher.
The truck is entirely built from the ground up. So the miles are about 120
for testing.
The odometer reads 51000 because we had to us a used one.
- -----Original Message-----
From: phope [mailto:phope@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:41 PM
To: Isaac Jacobson
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #589464331
Thanks for the reply, but you didn't answer all of my questions.
What is the reserve price?
How many miles on it?
Is it an actual 110? I notice that it doesn't have the standard Defender
rear chassis member, but rather an older Series rover one.
Thanks,
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:13:14 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
> Nothing like answering your questions, right?
>
Just received another follow up
70,000 and the truck is yours. Reserve is higher.
The truck is entirely built from the ground up. So the miles are about 120
for testing.
The odometer reads 51000 because we had to us a used one.
- -----Original Message-----
From: phope [mailto:phope@hawaii.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:41 PM
To: Isaac Jacobson
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #589464331
Thanks for the reply, but you didn't answer all of my questions.
What is the reserve price?
How many miles on it?
Is it an actual 110? I notice that it doesn't have the standard Defender
rear chassis member, but rather an older Series rover one.
Thanks,
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:26:52 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: RE: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
Sorry, my mail servewr is going nuts
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:46:54 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo"
Subject: LRO: Re: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
I can't say I'm thrilled about the color choices these folks have made, but
the work on the interior seems pretty nice. I'm sure, like most Defenders in
the States, that these things carry a price that would make Donald Trump
blush, but they seem to be nicely done, IMHO.
Alex "Ah, already gaht wahn. It's a-vera n-i-i-ce" Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "phope"
To: "Lro"
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:37 AM
Subject: LRO: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
>
> Just received this info from the sller
> Pete
>
>
> > This 110 is absolutely street legal. Title is in hand and reads
> > "Reconstructed" "Land Rover 110" "2001". The truck is as new. We
built
> it
> > from the ground up using all new or in some cases new rebuild Land Rover
> > parts. We have additional vehicles for sale. Please refer to the link
> > http://www.thedial.com/isaac/rover01/new.htm to see another example for
> > sale. This is NOT as salvage title. This is a professionally built
Land
> > Rover, constructed to exacting standards and in many areas exceeds the
> > original.
> >
> > We have invested considerable money and time to legitimately bring in
our
> > components and register this vehicle. This project has been 3 years in
> the
> > making, passing all DOT, EPA and Customs criteria.
> >
> > Please call 435-445-3333 for further information and pricing options.
> >
>
> >
> > Hi I was wondering what the reserve price was on the 110?
> > Also, why does it have a new fame and rebuilt axles?
> > How many miles on it?
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:47:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Rowe"
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: 300TDI (ridiculous) prices?
Just going through my archive and found the comments about how "ridiculously"
expensive 300TDI's are. 12k *is* a bit much, but I think the kits from RN aren't all that
bad, when you consider it also includes a new transmission (still too much for me
though). That's why I was loking for just and engine from the UK, hoping to get the price
down.
Back last year when I was about to buy an IH 1 ton crew cab dualie (ended up with a
good deal on a Disco instead) I was looking around for a diesel to put in it. I thought
what better than keeping it 100% Binder and put in a Navaistar 7.5L. 10k for a
reconditioned one. Admittedly you get more bang with a 7.5 turbo than a 300TD, but the
Rover engine would suit my Disco better. I converted the AntiChrist to a 2.25 Rover
diesel (which is fine for it) and have a Perlkins 4203 for my 109 truck. Obviously I'm not
into speed ;-)
Anyway, my point is, Diesels are cheap, new ones especially.
Cheers
Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA
Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:19:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Rowe"
Subject: Re: LRO: 24v bulbs
On Wed, 2 May 2001 18:42:23 -0500, Andy Pease wrote:
>Does anybody know of a source to find 24v bulbs [headlights, taillights,
>turn lights, etc.] for a 74 SIII Lightweight? Thus far I have found Rovers
>North. Is there anybody else?
>
Andy,
No bulbs, but I do have a 24v turn signal flasher shipped to me by mistake. Need a
spare?
Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA
Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:01:58 -0000
From: "N Forbes"
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: sighting
>I think you saw the R.O.V.E.R.S. off road event in VA. Speedvision took
>pictures of it and it ran about 7 minutes (on a 1/2 hour show).
>
>Lee
Thanks Lee. I think you're right. I was pretty sure the trucks had Virginia
plates but it was hard to tell. 7 Minutes wasn't enough. They should have
used the full half hour ;-)
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:39:47 +0200
From: Peter Thor=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=n
Subject: Re: LRO: Seal in Timing Cover
01-05-21 13.29, skrev Garrick Olsen på gbolsen@hotmail.com följande:
Rik,
My timing chain broke two years ago (S3 2 1/4 diesel). When taking the cover
off I could see that the pad actually had come loose and that the bolt
holding it had got stuck in the crankshaft chainwheel with interesting
results... I highly recommend you to use Loctite or similar when refitting
everything.
Peter
- ----------------------------------------------------------
Peter Thorén
1996 Discovery Tdi ES
1975 109" Stationwagon 2.25 diesel
member # 1379 Swedish Land Rover club
Norrdals gård, Myssinge
SE 747 93 Alunda
Sverige
0174-121 06; 070-249 34 77
- ----------------------------------------------------------
> I am down to carving out the seal in the timing cover. It seals around the
> front crankshaft.
>
> 1. Is there anyway other than picking it out with a screwdriver? Solvent
> (Dot 3?) or Fire?
>
> 2. Any one else not find a timing chain tensioner pad on replacing the
> timing chain? There just wasn't one there. Was this SPOT or Sollihul?
>
> -Rik
> Getting it together
> 1960 SER II SWB SW
> _________________________________________________________________
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:54:15 -0400
From: "Tackley, John"
Subject: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
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Anyone with a Liftgate/Lid + Tailgate setup on a Series...I just installed
my first and only have one stay/prop rod. While you can still buy a new
Lid, you can't buy many of the individual parts...so I either have to
fabricate a new stay or change over to modern gas cylinders to support the
Lid when open.
Has anyone replaced the two rigid stays/prop rods with gas cylinders?
If so, please respond off-list with lengths, p/n if known, installation
tips, etc.
TIA
John Tackley
Richmond, VA
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Anyone with a
Liftgate/Lid + Tailgate setup on a Series...I just installed my first and only
have one stay/prop rod. While you can still buy a new Lid, you can't buy
many of the individual parts...so I either have to fabricate a new stay or
change over to modern gas cylinders to support the Lid when
open.
Has anyone replaced the
two rigid stays/prop rods with gas
cylinders?
If so, please respond
off-list with lengths, p/n if known, installation tips,
etc.
TIA
John
Tackley
Richmond,
VA
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E2C6.B00F7960--
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:19:50 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
John, just put together another prop rod. THe ones I've seen aren't much
more than a piece of bent bar stock with a flat-metal flange on the end to
attach to the liftgate prop mount.
The thing I like about them and the different design I have on my '58 is
that you can lock them in place with a bungie to take up the slack. This
way, you can drive with the gate up if need be (think large loads in
truck...). Can't do that with gas cylinders...
ajr
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:55:47 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: LRO: Email issues and landrovers
Aloha,
sorry about all the multiple posts yesterday. Our mail server had a hiccup
or something.
Anyway, Honolulu All British Car Show was this past weekend. 40-50 cars
present, 7 of em were Rovers. Pretty impressive turn out.
I stuck up a few photos at
www.aloharovers.com
Met some new people which is always great. We are planning another
expedition out to east Range. This time do the route from top to bottom.
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:57:00 -0700
From: SJH
Subject: LRO: Dennis McCullagh address needed urgently
I bought an item from Dennis on ebay a while ago. We have dealt before
so he sent the item to me in advance of payment. I sent payment out,
but it just came back to me as undeliverable becasue of insufficient
postage (D'oh!!) with a yellow sticker over his address so I can't resend
it!! Does anyone have his email or real address? If so please mail it
to me directly as I am in digest mode. Thanks. Dennis, if you read this
I'm very sorry for the delay.
Simon
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:14:03 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
Can do, if the cylinders are set up properly and strong enough. Be sure to
get struts with proper ball joint ends though or they will rattle if driven
in the open position.
> The thing I like about them and the different design I have on my '58 is
> that you can lock them in place with a bungie to take up the slack. This
> way, you can drive with the gate up if need be (think large loads in
> truck...). Can't do that with gas cylinders...
>
> ajr
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:38:58 -0400
From: "Tackley, John"
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
ajr said:
John, just put together another prop rod. THe ones I've seen aren't much
more than a piece of bent bar stock with a flat-metal flange on the end to
attach to the liftgate prop mount.
The thing I like about them and the different design I have on my '58 is
that you can lock them in place with a bungie to take up the slack. This
way, you can drive with the gate up if need be (think large loads in
truck...). Can't do that with gas cylinders...
I reply,
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the lid end of the prop rod
attaches to a steel plate riveted to the ally lid proper. The 'hinge' part
of that plate is awol...so it means re-fabbing the plate w/ hinge as well as
the rod. For as much work it seemed feasible to me to just stick in 2 gas
cylinders, retaining the good prop rod for locking-while-driving.
...and Trevor said:
Can do, if the cylinders are set up properly and strong enough. Be sure to
get struts with proper ball joint ends though or they will rattle if driven
in the open position.
...and I say,
Its the 'set up and strength' I was concerned about. How does one tell what
weight a gc will support (from p/n , catalog etc.), other than manually
testing it?
JT/ric
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:19:49 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
Catalogue works well if you are buying new struts and the supplier will even
calulate the size and geometry for you, but as a true LRO you are probably
going to obtain a couple of struts from the wreckers. In this case what you
want to do is look for something that is supporting a similar weight. This
means most likely a strut from a small hatchback. Now you need to layout
your system so that the struts lift the gate the correct amount and also
keep it closed by going slightly overcentre when the gate is down. Do this
you need to know the open and closed length of the strut. It's a good idea
to get the closed length before you take it off the donor vehicle. With the
gate propped open where you want it to "park" position the strut with the
rod end close to the bottom of the gate and adjust the position of the
cylinder end so it is just high enough for the strut to be not quite fully
closed when the gate is shut.
Make drawing of the end positions and use this to fabricate the end
brackets. The strut ends and hinge pin locations should be such that when
the gate is shut the line of force from the strut acts through a point
"outside" the hinge pins. Hope this makes sense. You'll probably find that
using two struts there is plenty of spare force to lift the light LR
tailgate so be sure to make the overcentre geometry work or you'll be losing
teeth as the gate opens itself as soon as you release the latch.
> Its the 'set up and strength' I was concerned about. How does one tell
> what
> weight a gc will support (from p/n , catalog etc.), other than manually
> testing it?
>
> JT/ric
>
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:41:33 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
Sorry, John - didn't realize.
Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to
remember lids w/only one....
I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out rods that drop
into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands latching is
so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again.
ajr
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Date: Tue, 22 May 01 10:55:55 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
>Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to
>remember lids w/only one....
Lift gates come with two. Defender lift gates evidently come with
hydraulic rods so you do not need to manually set them.
TeriAnn
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:18:12 -0400
From: "RON WARD"
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
Good grief! Do like my Dad did and carry a broom with the end sawed off and wedge it between the bumper and the lift gate to hold it open.
>>> Alan_Richer@Lotus.com 05/22/01 01:41PM >>>
Sorry, John - didn't realize.
Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to
remember lids w/only one....
I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out rods that drop
into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands latching is
so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again.
ajr
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:25:53 -0400
From: "Tackley, John"
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to
remember lids w/only one....
Yup, and it needs it too, if you were to drive with the lid open, it really
needs support on both sides...plus I can see where the hinge was ripped out
of the corner plate.
I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out rods that drop
into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands latching is
so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again.
I'd like that too, but then the arms stick into the rear compartment, don't
they?(...oops, no, you did say tracks)
JT
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:13:45 -0400
From: "Robert A. Virzi"
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
>
>I have seen two explanations for the name Vampire. One starts with Vehicle
>and the other VHF (for Very High Frequency) and the rest is Army Mobile
>Position Indicating Interferometer Radio Equipment.
And I thought it was because it had a light-proof cabin, perfect
haunt for a vampire.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:07:08 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
>
>I have seen two explanations for the name Vampire. One starts with
Vehicle
>and the other VHF (for Very High Frequency) and the rest is Army
Mobile
>Position Indicating Interferometer Radio Equipment.
Surely the best explanation is that in true LR fashion it sucks blood (and
money)
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:05:16 -0700
From: "Gerry Elam"
Subject: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
What's the collection group opinon on parabolic springs? This is for a
Dormobile that I ultimately plan to hang an extra water tank onto also so
heavy duty would probably be necessary.
Thanks!
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
'63 LR SII A Dormobile.... Humty Dumpty: It may take all the King's men to
put Humty Dumpty together again. Any volunteers? :-)
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:18:28 -0400
From: Jeff Berg
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Vampire: Mission Declassified
>Surely the best explanation is that in true LR fashion it sucks blood (and
>money)
I did leave a little blood sitting on one of the pulleys...
jeff
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:18:49 -0400
From: Jeff Berg
Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
>What's the collection group opinon on parabolic springs? This is
>for a Dormobile that I ultimately plan to hang an extra water tank
>onto also so heavy duty would probably be necessary.
I like mine...
jab
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:56:07 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie"
Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
I've got an 88 and a 109 pickup with parabolics. Best thing I ever did to
them. Ride is significantly improved and so is articulation. I'll never go
back. 109 has RM 3 leaf springs that work great. The four leaf rears
should work on the dormie.
Aloha
Peter
>From: Jeff Berg
>Reply-To: lro@works.team.net
>To: lro@Works.Team.Net
>Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
>Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:18:49 -0400
>
>>What's the collection group opinon on parabolic springs? This is
>>for a Dormobile that I ultimately plan to hang an extra water tank
>>onto also so heavy duty would probably be necessary.
>
>I like mine...
>
>jab
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:12:53 +0200
From: "FJA van Zijp"
Subject: LRO: short question
Hi all,
Just a short question from a list-lurker; whatever happened to the list-
archives on http://www.land-rover.team.net/?
cheers
Ferenc
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:06:01 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A
Subject: RE: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
I'm happy with mine on the 88. TI Console provided good service, prompt
delivery, reasonable shipping cost and suitably reduced invoice with
package (Customs man commented how "It's the shipping that kills you, on
items like this" :-))
> >What's the collection group opinon on parabolic springs?
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:01:08 -0400
From: "Martin Rothman"
Subject: Re: LRO: short question
They moved to someplace on www.fourfold.org. You may have to dig a bit to
find them, but they are there.
Regards,
Martin Rothman
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Reply-To: lro@works.team.net
To: lro@Works.Team.Net
Subject: LRO: short question
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:12:53 +0200
Hi all,
Just a short question from a list-lurker; whatever happened to the list-
archives on http://www.land-rover.team.net/?
cheers
Ferenc
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Date: Wed, 23 May 01 07:46:38 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman
Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question...
On the other hand, you can always do what I ended up doing to keep from
hitting my head on the lift gate getting in & out.
I side hinged the lift gate. It works quite well. There are pictures
in the green Rover galler page.
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/GRrearliftgate98.htm
If you look at the picture you will notice I used two lower hinges. THe
lift gate didn't want to open levelly with a top & bottom hinge
There is a galvanized strip along the bottom of the lift gate. I put a
gradual taper in it so I could drop the tail gate without opening the
lift gate past straight back.
I used a nylon strap pinned in place by the lower door latch as a stop.
The door is held in place via the two hinges and the rods of the latch.
This works well under all conditions if the latch is completely shut and
the pocket brackets are properly adjusted. If the pocket bracket is out
of adjustment or the latch not completely home the door will open under
severe washboarding.
TeriAnn
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:02:03 -0400
From: "A. P. Grice"
Subject: LRO: Thanks
Just got the most recent edition of Land Rover Enthusiast magazine. Nice
piece on the MAR, Jeff. Thanks
Cheers
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:21:13 EDT
From: Landrover88@aol.com
Subject: LRO: Brakes Again
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Hi to all on the list:
I am still having brake problems most all parts have been replaced a new
problem has surfaced. I have been on the "double pump" for some time just put
new shoes and cam adjusters on last weekend now I lose pedal off and on but
the latest the reservoir is spouting out the top through the vent hole.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Dave Walls
IIa 88
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Hi to all on the list:
I am still having brake problems most all parts have been replaced a new
problem has surfaced. I have been on the "double pump" for some time just put
new shoes and cam adjusters on last weekend now I lose pedal off and on but
the latest the reservoir is spouting out the top through the vent hole.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Dave Walls
IIa 88
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:19:07 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams"
Subject: LRO: positive ground radios - no LR content
I am posting this for my dad to see if anyone out there can help. He's got
a 1959 Jaguar XK150s Roadster and wants to put a vintage radio in it.
Trouble is, he can't find any that are 40 years old AND are positive ground.
And no, he won't switch. He's a Concours freak - need I say more? So does
anyone know where he can find an old AM/FM positive ground radio? Some had
a switch in the back that would allow you to pick + or - ground.
Thanks,
Rich Williams
SII 109 SW
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:42:38 -0700
From: "Paul Quin"
Subject: LRO: Solex Vacuum Advance/Retard
Yesterday I overhauled my Solex with new jets and gaskets all around. The
performance is much better now. Not really any more power, just much
smoother and quieter (the whistle is almost gone...) and a better idle.
When I got the SII, the vacuum advance (retard?) port on the carb was
blocked off. I've got the neccessary ( I think ) bits to plumb it back in
to the distributor now. I ordered a copper pipe from RN last year. It
threads into the Solex fine but at the other end is a threaded fitting while
on the distributor the fitting looks like it wants to mate up to a rubber
vacuum line. Should I cut off the threaded fitting on the pipe and clamp on
a rubber vacuum hose from it to the distributor?
Also, should the carb end of the pipe (with the olive) be flaired once the
olive and nut are on it?
TIA
Paul Quin
1961 SII 88
Victoria, BC
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:46:17 -0700
From: "Paul Quin"
Subject: LRO: Re: Brakes Again
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I had very similar symptoms with mine. The steady posts on all four of =
my backing plates were loose. This is the post opposite the wheel =
cylinder that the other end of the brake shoe rests (and pivots) on. If =
these are loose, they will shift under braking load causing all sorts of =
ass puckering consequences... Take the shoes off and wiggle the post =
around. I had mine welded back on.
Paul in Victoria.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:42:21 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: Brakes Again
If you'rte losing pedal off and on it sounds to me like the valve in the
master (the one that closes to pressurize the system hen you push the
pedal) isn't closing right. Hence, the pressure you put on the pedal makes
the fluid spurt up through the intake.
I'm assuming you've checked to make sure that you have all the brake shoes
on the cams right and so forth....
ajr
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:48:45 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: positive ground radios - no LR content
Junkyard is the first place I'd look.
Secondarily, he can use a negative-ground radio if it's carefully isolated
from the car's frame and the electrical connections made appropriately.
Also, the radio antenna coax braid needs to be ground-isolated with some
small-value capacitors (or just isolated completely - that works fine on AM
and FM).
If you want to talk more on it see me off-line - don't want to bore folks.
ajr
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So I took my over drive off thinking the problem w/ my tranny was =
the loose mainshaft nut. The nut was little loose but not as much as I =
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mainshaft bearing housing back on. Now the truck will not move. In the =
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lo and hi range and no difference. Am I missing something here ?
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it is about a half inch short of being flush. I do not want to break one =
of the flanges on the OD so here I am. Are there any special tricks to =
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:50:15 EDT
From: Wbfishel@aol.com
Subject: Re: LRO: Brakes Again
Dave
I went through the same thing. Almost everything was new or rebuilt. I
replaced the master cylinder, brake lines, flex hoses, and brake shoes. I
held off on replacing the brake drums because they looked good and measured
with venire calipers checked within tolerance.
After the drums were finally replaced and the shoes adjusted to the new drums
the brakes finally work on the first pump.
Bill Fishel
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Date: Wed, 23 May 01 08:55:56 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman
Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
>What's the collection group opinon on parabolic springs? This is for a
>Dormobile that I ultimately plan to hang an extra water tank onto also so
>heavy duty would probably be necessary.
Paul Heystee believes the heavy duty rears of his latest line of
parabolics would work on the Green Rover just fine. The springs he
carries have been revised and upgraded about half a year ago.
If they are supposed to work on mine (rear fuel tank & 15 gallon water
tank) then they should work on yours.
Mind you I have not tried them myself.
>'63 LR SII A Dormobile.... Humty Dumpty: It may take all the King's men to
>put Humty Dumpty together again. Any volunteers? :-)
Maybe some of us can help out come fall or winter when the termperature
drops down into the "just hot" levels.
TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing
webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics
and more
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:00:31 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: Solex Vacuum Advance/Retard
>When I got the SII, the vacuum advance (retard?) port on the carb was
>blocked off. I've got the neccessary ( I think ) bits to plumb it back
in
>to the distributor now. I ordered a copper pipe from RN last year. It
>threads into the Solex fine but at the other end is a threaded fitting
while
>on the distributor the fitting looks like it wants to mate up to a rubber
>vacuum line. Should I cut off the threaded fitting on the pipe and clamp
on
>a rubber vacuum hose from it to the distributor?
The distributor you have is not original to the vehicle - it's a later 25D4
from likely a Zenith-equipped vehicle. When they went away from the Solex
they changed to a rubber line for this, hence your tube
Were I you I'd simply use a short bit of rubber vacuum line to mate the two
- - it will work fine.
What I did on Mister C. when I wen to the SOlex was to use the end of the
line with the fitting and olive as a stub and attached a rubber vacuum line
there - and then ran the line down to the distributor in rubber rather than
copper.
>Also, should the carb end of the pipe (with the olive) be flaired once the
>olive and nut are on it?
No, the olive will compress and hold the line when you install it (think
compression pipe fitting).
ajr
TIA
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:45:29 -0400
From: Keith Tanner
Subject: Re: LRO: Brakes Again
Have you rebuilt the master cylinder? I had a similar "backwash" when the
tab on the spring retainer wasn't engaging. I could get some pressure in
the system but very little. To fix, we pulled the piston out of the master
cylinder and bent the tab into place so that it locked.
Keith Tanner, looking for doortops
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:15:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: LRO: Solex and Rustoleum
- --- The Stockdales wrote:
> The Red Dinosaur is painted Rusto-Regal Red, ...It does fade nicely
after about 5
> years.
That's good to know. RedSq. is painted regal red also. I was worried
that it wouldn't fade fast enough.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:22:31 EDT
From: Landrover88@aol.com
Subject: Re: LRO: Brakes Again
Could it be i have the master cyl adjusted too far to the end of the shaft?
Dave
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:25:48 -0400
From: "David G. Russell"
Subject: Re: LRO: sighting
On 23/5/01 at 11:49, "N Forbes" wrote:
> Anybody see "Motor Week" today on Speedvision? I turned it on partway
> through and they were at some Land Rover training course. First thing
> I saw when I switched to it was a SIIa (I think) leading a bunch of
> Discos and a Range Rover on a trail. It was pretty tame stuff but it
> was still cool to see. Wish I'd seen the whole piece.
Speaking of which, has anybody ever seen _any_ video footage from the
2000 British Invasion at Stowe?
There was a two person crew (who had done some Speedvision work, I
believe) there that went on the trials course (with Quentin and some
others I believe). Although they were filming for the BI video, they
said there might be a chance for broadcast.
- -David
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:23:30 EDT
From: Landrover88@aol.com
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Brakes Again
Paul:
Yes all my posts are loose i will check to see if welding helps
Dave
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
- --- Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> Secondly, if your Marsland is like all the others i've seen it was
> likely
> galvanized with the crossmember in place. Good luck getting it
> out.....
I've done it both ways. With the removable x/member, you can slide the
complete unit out from under the truck *WITHOUT LIFTING THE TRUCK AT
ALL* just by taking the extra step of removing the red-knobbed hi-lo
lever. That is if you are doing the job on a hard surface.
IMO, it is much easier tyo do this than fighting with the seatbox. I
would very much like to never have to remove a series seatbox ever
again in mylife. But I know that will never be the case. The remvoable
trans x-member was likely, as Chairman Al Richer noted, galvainzed in
place. But we had no problem removing the bolts on the one I did. You
do need to lever the x-member out with a crowbar or somesuch and you
will need to support the trans assembly. A regular large size floor
jack works fine, since the x member isn't there, you have a little more
room to position it. Basically you save yourself the hassle of getting
the seatbox out, and also the need for an enginee crane. You will need
a 2 x4 and a come-along to reinstall the gearbox though.
I don't know why anyone would bother to do the seatbox removal dance
when they have a perfectly good removable trans x-member. What a
phenomenal waste of time and effort.
> it's a lot easier to do (and can be done standing up) than the
> bottom-drop
> method for those not lift equipped.
Bollocks! You don't need a lift at all. Without a crane, how do you get
the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
Dave
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: LRO: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
- --- NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> How can it pass the DOT crash and rollover standards without a
> rollcage?
Because they don't exist. That's NHTSA's department.
Most of the ECR 110's don't have a roolcage either. And come to think
of it, this one does. Its inside though.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:44:40 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: Brakes Again
Re: Misadjusted master:
Not likely - been here, done that and got a rock-hard pedal and locked
brakes for it.
Too much play leads to a low but consistent pedal - too little leads to a
locked pedal.
ajr
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:51:27 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
Bollocks yerself, Bobeck!
> Without a crane, how do you get
>the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
>Dave
Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof off in
my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever.
I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such
silliness anymore.
ajr
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:58:54 -0500
From: "Smokey Briggs"
Subject: LRO: PTO praise
You never know when a PTO winch is going to save the day.
You take a lot of grief owning an unairconditioned vehicle that tops out at
50 in West Texas. I publish the newspaper here in Pecos. This morning we got
a special shipment of paper in. Paper comes in 1,000 pound rolls, 27 inches
wide. Our shipments are supposed to be shipped rolling, since we do not have
the equipment to move it when it is laid down flat. Well, this 24 roll
shipment came on the flats. You just cannot pick one of these up and set it
on end, no matter how many people you have, and its not safe to try.
Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig
winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and
presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of
money today.
All the best from West Texas
Smokey Briggs
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:57:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Brakes Again
On Wed, 23 May 2001 Landrover88@aol.com wrote:
:Paul:
:
:Yes all my posts are loose i will check to see if welding helps
That will make a difference. But, if it's shooting fluid out of the
resevoir, there's something wrong with the master. Fix that first! You may
find yourself without any brakes at all. that's no fun.
David
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:03:35 -0500
From: "Smokey Briggs"
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
I like taking it out the door, with a hoist or without. When we did not have
a hoist we just lifted it out but it was a bit heavy. Mostly I like the
control I get with the hoist when I'm putting it back together compared to
jockeying a tranny in on a jack. We just replaced the trans/xfer caseon a 43
J**p GPW (quite a bit smaller than a rover set up and has removeable
crossmember) and it was a holy bear getting it in from underneath. Never had
a removable cross member on a rover though.
Smokey Briggs
Pecos, Texas
- ----- Original Message -----
From: DaveB
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
>
> --- Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> > Secondly, if your Marsland is like all the others i've seen it was
> > likely
> > galvanized with the crossmember in place. Good luck getting it
> > out.....
>
> I've done it both ways. With the removable x/member, you can slide the
> complete unit out from under the truck *WITHOUT LIFTING THE TRUCK AT
> ALL* just by taking the extra step of removing the red-knobbed hi-lo
> lever. That is if you are doing the job on a hard surface.
>
> IMO, it is much easier tyo do this than fighting with the seatbox. I
> would very much like to never have to remove a series seatbox ever
> again in mylife. But I know that will never be the case. The remvoable
> trans x-member was likely, as Chairman Al Richer noted, galvainzed in
> place. But we had no problem removing the bolts on the one I did. You
> do need to lever the x-member out with a crowbar or somesuch and you
> will need to support the trans assembly. A regular large size floor
> jack works fine, since the x member isn't there, you have a little more
> room to position it. Basically you save yourself the hassle of getting
> the seatbox out, and also the need for an enginee crane. You will need
> a 2 x4 and a come-along to reinstall the gearbox though.
>
> I don't know why anyone would bother to do the seatbox removal dance
> when they have a perfectly good removable trans x-member. What a
> phenomenal waste of time and effort.
>
> > it's a lot easier to do (and can be done standing up) than the
> > bottom-drop
> > method for those not lift equipped.
>
> Bollocks! You don't need a lift at all. Without a crane, how do you get
> the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
>
> Dave
>
>
> =====
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dicier.
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:44:42 -0400
From: John Karlsson
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
I've done it with a crane and the roof off, but I think it's a lot easier
to leave the roof on, use a rope slung around the transmission and a 2x6 ,
and find a helper to handle one end of the board.
John
At 12:51 PM 5/23/2001, you wrote:
>Bollocks yerself, Bobeck!
>
> > Without a crane, how do you get
> >the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
>
> >Dave
>
>Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof off in
>my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever.
>
>I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such
>silliness anymore.
>
> ajr
John Karlsson
956 Main Street
P.O. Box 1023
Hope Valley, RI 02832
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:54:16 -0400
From: Gerald
Subject: Re: LRO: PTO praise
Smokey,
Nice story. Did you take some pictures?
On Wed, 23 May 2001 10:58:54 -0500, you wrote:
. . . .
>Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig
>winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and
>presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of
>money today.
- --
Gerald
ggg@mediaone.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:53:39 -0400
From: "Ted Treanor"
Subject: LRO: RE: PTO praise
What a great story. It's great when you can show off to non-rover people.
"Hero for a day." I had a friend who was trying to replace a strut insert on
his '74 Super Beatle. The old one was rusted in solid. I strapped one end of
the strut to the font bumper of my 88" and the rusted insert to a metal post
that was sunk in concrete. I put the rover in 4wd-low, put it in reverse, a
little gas, and the insert came right out! Perhaps it was a little overkill
but it was fun being able to "save the day" with my rover.
Ted Treanor
1962 88" SW
Trumbull, CT
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On
Behalf Of Smokey Briggs
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:59 AM
To: lro@Works.Team.Net
Subject: LRO: PTO praise
You never know when a PTO winch is going to save the day.
You take a lot of grief owning an unairconditioned vehicle that tops out at
50 in West Texas. I publish the newspaper here in Pecos. This morning we got
a special shipment of paper in. Paper comes in 1,000 pound rolls, 27 inches
wide. Our shipments are supposed to be shipped rolling, since we do not have
the equipment to move it when it is laid down flat. Well, this 24 roll
shipment came on the flats. You just cannot pick one of these up and set it
on end, no matter how many people you have, and its not safe to try.
Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig
winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and
presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of
money today.
All the best from West Texas
Smokey Briggs
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:59:04 -0500
From: "Smokey Briggs"
Subject: Re: LRO: PTO praise
Would you believe I did not get a single picture? Some newspaperman. But the
shipment was three days late and the print job was a day late so time was
money. We needed the paper off the truck and the press rolling. Didn't think
of pictures until we were wiping the sweat off and wishing we had a beer.
All the best,
Smokey Briggs
Pecos, Texas
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald
To:
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: PTO praise
> Smokey,
>
> Nice story. Did you take some pictures?
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2001 10:58:54 -0500, you wrote:
>
> . . . .
> >Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig
> >winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and
> >presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of
> >money today.
>
>
> --
> Gerald
> ggg@mediaone.net
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:10:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
- --- Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof
> off in
> my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever.
>> I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such
> silliness anymore.
See, even you admit its better to have a crane. With the roof on,
removing the trans from above without one (or without alot of rigging
savvy and creativity) requires swinging a heavy, awkward load off
center or lifting using just your lower back muscles. Dropping it out
the bottom, -and it sounds like your opinion on that is based merely on
speculation- is much easier, and safer. I've removed and installed
rover transmissions both ways, as well as others.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
- --- John Karlsson wrote:
> I've done it with a crane and the roof off, but I think it's a lot
> easier
> to leave the roof on, use a rope slung around the transmission and a
> 2x6 ,
> and find a helper to handle one end of the board.
I've carried enough transmissions. No more. Lifting it with a crane and
rolling the crane out is easier than carrying it, 2x6 or no. When I say
"crane" I am referring to the ubiquitous 1 or 2 ton purpose-built
hydraulic engine hoist on casters.
For clutch jobs, I use a 2x4 supported by the inside roof rails. A
large (3/8") eye bolt and a come-along are suspended through the 2x4.
This also works well for removing and installing the trans out the
bottom, when there is a removablee trans x-member. Of course, *all*
trans x-members are *technically* removable.
If you had two people using the "2x4 technique," you could use the 2x4
to carry the gearbox out of the car once it's above the frame.
I've heard alot of people say you have to jack the car up really high
to lower the trans out but it just isn't true. In my case we did have
to remove the red lever to clear the frame. Big deal. I think that is a
1 bolt job. And it's a well oiled and easily accesible bolt, unlike the
12 or 14 rusty little buggers holding the seatbox in. Of course you can
only undo those after you remove the seat frmaes, so add four to that
number. As for the four bolts holding the removablee x member in place,
well, they do have a little zinc on em. But zinc is soft, and they
should (did in my case) come straight out.
Reinstalling the x-member required judicious use of a rubber mallet.
big deal.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:32:00 -0600
From: "Tim Czajka"
Subject: LRO: Re: Solex and Rustoleum
Mitch Stockdale wrote:
>The Red Dinosaur is painted Rusto-Regal Red, ...It does fade nicely after
>about 5 years.
>
Back in my poor college days, in a fit of madness, I painted
my 65 Mustang with rattle can Zylon red. The cheap garbage
started to fade and chalk within the year, and soon everyone
who brushed against that car had a souvenir of red paint on
their clothing.
Although not as bad as my friend who painted his 67 Chevy
pickup with black Rustoleum. Then volunteered to pull a float
in a parade two days later - with the paint still tacky. After
a day of coeds piled in the back, climbing in and out - so
much for the shiny paint job. There after it was known as
the finger print mobile for obvious reasons.
Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:58:13 -0600
From: "William J. Rice"
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DaveB get
> the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
John Dillingham and I got the trans out of a parts truck by using a long
2" or so aluminum pipe w/ some webbing draped around the middle of it.
We wrapped the webbing around the tranny, one of us stood outside each
door, and we carried the tranny out like big game hunters w/ a dead
animal on a stick.
bill
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:15:14 -1000
From: "Hope Peter"
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
I have remove my tranny twice now. Removed floor and seat box. Seperate
transfer case from tranny, then tranny from engine. No crane needed. With
the xfer case off the tranny, installation was a breeze. very easy to line
up shaft and clutch and she slid back in.
I have a removable xmember under the tranny, but still find this method of
removal much easier then laying on the ground. The 2 components seperate
very easily and are very manueverable after wards.
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:26:41 -0600
From: "Todd Kendrick"
Subject: LRO: Tranny Problems
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mount back flush w/ the gearbox. I can start the nuts on the studs but =
it is about a half inch short of being flush. I do not want to break one =
of the flanges on the OD so here I am. Are there any special tricks to =
putting the OD back on ? Why would it not move w/ just the mainshaft =
bearing housing on ? Any help and input much appreciated.
Todd Kendrick
Taos, NM
'66 109" P/U
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:14:02 EDT
From: HeirPhoto@aol.com
Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny Problems
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In a message dated 5/23/01 5:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kendrick@laplaza.org writes:
> Am I missing something here ?
>
>
Todd,
You might be missing the gear that was on the mainshaft before the OD was
fitted. This gear is removed and the OD is fitted in it's place. The gear
will need to be installed before the mainshaft will engage with the rest of
the transfer case otherwise it will just sit and spin freely.
Tony Miller
1973 Ser.III Lightweight
Balto. Md.
ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co.
~ The Tintype Artist ~
Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
34 Perryfalls Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21236
410-256-7442
www.tintype-artist.com
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In a message dated 5/23/01 5:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kendrick@laplaza.org writes:
Am I missing something here ?
Todd,
You might be missing the gear that was on the mainshaft before the OD was
fitted. This gear is removed and the OD is fitted in it's place. The gear
will need to be installed before the mainshaft will engage with the rest of
the transfer case otherwise it will just sit and spin freely.
Tony Miller
1973 Ser.III Lightweight
Balto. Md.
ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co.
~ The Tintype Artist ~
Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
34 Perryfalls Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21236
410-256-7442
www.tintype-artist.com
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:36:58 EDT
From: BSharp4601@aol.com
Subject: LRO: Rock Sliders
Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my 109
ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of the
former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be a typical
application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator?
Thanks,
Bob Sharp
Tucson, AZ
The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch:
52 Series I 80"
53 Series I 80"
60 Series II 88"
63 Series IIa 88"
71 Series IIa 109"
96 Discovery Series I
"Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:50:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt
Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny Problems
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Todd Kendrick wrote:
: So I took my over drive off thinking the problem w/ my tranny was
: the loose mainshaft nut. The nut was little loose but not as much
: as I was hoping. So instead of putting the OD back on I just put
: the mainshaft bearing housing back on. Now the truck will not
: move. In the forward gears I get no noise or anything; in reverse
: it gives a spinning/whining sound from the gearbox. I have the
: tried the t-case in lo and hi range and no difference. Am I missing
: something here ? So I go back and try and put the OD back on and
Er, the gear that connects the tranny and transfer box, it soounds like. It
comes off when you install the OD, and needs to go back in when you remove
the OD>
David
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:05:30 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher
Subject: Re: LRO: Solex Vacuum Advance/Retard
Paul Quin wrote:
>
> Yesterday I overhauled my Solex with new jets and gaskets all around. The
> performance is much better now. Not really any more power, just much
> smoother and quieter (the whistle is almost gone...) and a better idle.
>
> When I got the SII, the vacuum advance (retard?) port on the carb was
> blocked off. I've got the neccessary ( I think ) bits to plumb it back in
> to the distributor now. I ordered a copper pipe from RN last year. It
> threads into the Solex fine but at the other end is a threaded fitting while
> on the distributor the fitting looks like it wants to mate up to a rubber
> vacuum line. Should I cut off the threaded fitting on the pipe and clamp on
> a rubber vacuum hose from it to the distributor?
>
> Also, should the carb end of the pipe (with the olive) be flaired once the
> olive and nut are on it?
The advance on my distributer is a threaded fitting ('60 model).
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:37:04 EDT
From: NADdMD@aol.com
Subject: Re: LRO: EBay 110 fllow up-- Item #589464331
In a message dated 5/23/2001 12:36:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rovergawd@yahoo.com writes:
<< -- NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> How can it pass the DOT crash and rollover standards without a
> rollcage?
Because they don't exist. That's NHTSA's department.
Most of the ECR 110's don't have a roolcage either. And come to think
of it, this one does. Its inside though.
Dave >>
Hey there big boy...
NHTSA is a division of DOT (web address--www.nhtsa.DOT.gov
Nate
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:41:32 -0600
From: "Jim Hall"
Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal
Or take the x-fer case off first, and then the tranny is a 1 person job.
John Karlsson wrote:
>
> I've done it with a crane and the roof off, but I think it's a lot easier
> to leave the roof on, use a rope slung around the transmission and a 2x6 ,
> and find a helper to handle one end of the board.
>
> John
>
> At 12:51 PM 5/23/2001, you wrote:
>
> >Bollocks yerself, Bobeck!
> >
> > > Without a crane, how do you get
> > >the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top?
> >
> > >Dave
> >
> >Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof off in
> >my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever.
> >
> >I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such
> >silliness anymore.
> >
> > ajr
>
> John Karlsson
> 956 Main Street
> P.O. Box 1023
> Hope Valley, RI 02832
- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:07:41 -0600
From: "Jim Hall"
Subject: Re: LRO: positive ground radios - no LR content
I think I may have an old am from my dad's XKE-150, but I'm not
positive,
no pun intended. I'm not sure if it is positive or negative ground. It
had tubes, but I think some or all are missing. I can look for it if you
want.
Rich & Lori Williams wrote:
>
> I am posting this for my dad to see if anyone out there can help. He's got
> a 1959 Jaguar XK150s Roadster and wants to put a vintage radio in it.
> Trouble is, he can't find any that are 40 years old AND are positive ground.
> And no, he won't switch. He's a Concours freak - need I say more? So does
> anyone know where he can find an old AM/FM positive ground radio? Some had
> a switch in the back that would allow you to pick + or - ground.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Williams
> SII 109 SW
- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:15:41 -0600
From: "Jim Hall"
Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders
Probably a local fabricator or even better, local LR owner with a welder
as they are easy to make. I have made some, and may make a pair for
Simon H, but it seems like tolerances vary widely as I had to go down to
Colo Springs to modify a pair made for a guy down there. They fit fine
on my rover, but were off by 3/4" on his.
BSharp4601@aol.com wrote:
>
> Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my 109
> ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of the
> former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be a typical
> application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Sharp
> Tucson, AZ
> The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch:
> 52 Series I 80"
> 53 Series I 80"
> 60 Series II 88"
> 63 Series IIa 88"
> 71 Series IIa 109"
> 96 Discovery Series I
>
> "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in
> knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?"
- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:18:40 -0600
From: "Jim Hall"
Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny Problems
Did you put a new lock washer on with the OD? If so, did you remove the
tabs you didn't need? These will hit the splines on the OD and keep it
from going in all the way.
Todd Kendrick wrote:
> So I took my over drive off thinking the problem w/ my tranny was the loose mainshaft nut. The nut was little loose but not as much as I was hoping. So instead of putting the OD back on I just put the mainshaft bearing housing back on. Now the truck will not move. In the forward gears I get no noise or anything; in reverse it gives a spinning/whining sound from the gearbox. I have the tried the t-case in lo and hi range and no difference. Am I missing something here ?
So I go back and try and put the OD back on and it does not want to
mount back flush w/ the gearbox. I can start the nuts on the studs but
it is about a half inch short of being flush. I do not want to break one
of the flanges on the OD so here I am. Are there any special tricks to
putting the OD back on ? Why would it not move w/ just the mainshaft
bearing housing on ? Any help and input much appreciated.
Todd Kendrick
Taos, NM
'66 109" P/U
- --
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:20:46 -0400
From: The Eastons
Subject: LRO: Mad May Muddiness
TARC's Mad May Muddiness takes place this weekend Sunday May 27,
Starting fro 124 Central Avenue Grimsby. at 12 Noon. A tour of the
unimproved roads on the Niagara escarpment. Plenty of rain the last
couple of days so trails should be quite challenging. All are welcome.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:22:21 -0700
From: "Gerry Elam"
Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?
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