Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #373

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:26:26 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 373

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:34:44 -0700
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks

I just had an idea...

How about listening though a long tube such as a wrapping paper tube?  That
should narrow down the noise source.  Think I'll try that tonight.

Paul in Victoria.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cranfield" <[email-masked]>

> Broomsticks and srewdrivers work fine for finding knocks and rattles but
> aren't any good for whistles.
> Besides people might start calling you Doc.
> John and Muddy
>
> Hope Peter wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Stethoscopes are for sissies;-)  Use an old broomstick.  Impress your
> > > friends.
> > >
> > > <listen-to-your-neighbor's-ticker>-ly y'rs,
> > > Ivan;-)
> > >
> >
> > Or a 2 foot long screwdriver.
> > Pete

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:35:35 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

Both Northern and Harbor Freight have larger presses, up to at least 30
ton, and maybe bigger than that.

Perrone Ford wrote:

> I should have made it clear that I don't have a series truck, so my
> needs are probably different than a Series owner.  I've heard of
> owners bending or breaking things using 10 ton presses to get out the
> bushings on the A-Arms or Radius arms on our trucks.  I have NO desire
> to have those issues.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:43:43 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks

I just had an idea...

How about listening though a long tube such as a wrapping paper tube?  That
should narrow down the noise source.  Think I'll try that tonight.

Paul in Victoria.

Paul, that's not unlike the methods I use for aligning multiple
carburettors on an engine. I just use a rubber tube (chunk of fuel line
works great) and listen to the wind whistle in the carb. intakes.

A nice addition to the getup is a piece of copper or whathaveyou tubing
that can be used as a rigid end - makes it easier to get into tight places.

                    ajr

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:50:52 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=152&cgmenbr=6970&PHOTOS=on

I guess up to 150 ton.
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 12:20:36 -0400
From: "David G. Russell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Bench for Perrone

On 9/5/01 at 10:13, Perrone Ford wrote:

> 1.  A decent bench.  I don't WANT to make it myself.  I want it
> strong, with a few drawers.  Wooden top is fine.  I don't want to
> spend a ton of money on it either.

...

> With all these things, I am interested in quality, but I can't see
> spending $2k on a Snap-On bench

I know that they're not always the cheapest but I just got the Griot's
Garage Catalog and they have benches, big benches, in the $400-$800
range. Don't know what shipping will cost though b/c they're too heavy
for UPS

I built mine and secure it to studs with angle bracketts. If that's not
secure enough, I use the floor or the driveway.

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:43:52 -0700 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Tools

Perrone - as always, you get what you pay for...

I got a 12 drawer workbench from Sears for around $180 I think.  Smallish
drawers, but sturdy.  Smallish top too, 1.5" pressedwood top, but for the
price, not bad.  Go to a Sears store and see for yourself first.  They had
more expensive models with ball bearing drawer slides and all, but I'm too
cheap to pay the extra for that.  Sears has a web page and you can search
for workbenches.  They are made by Waterloo for Sears.  Waterloo is more
expensive!  Go figure???  Waterloo has a web page too - for what it's worth.
I sealed the top with a heavy HEAVY coating of polyurethane.   I'm going to
add a backstop and a front kickplate, because like Murphy's Law, EVERYTHING
that falls rolls under the workbench!  ;-)

Harbor freight tools (here, and other places) have "Chinese" tools for
cheap.  I got a HEAVY vice with rotating and swiveling head, 6" jaws (I
think), Anvil top, round stock clamp, etc.  About $35-40 sale from Harbor
Freight.  They have a web page but I don't know what it is.  Shouldn't be
hard to locate...  They also have presses, grinders, etc. for cheap.  If you
go with Harbor freight - wait for a sale.  Sooner or later, EVERYTHING they
have goes on sale.

If you're going to be using a tool a LOT, spend the bucks for a quality
tool.  If just a few uses, maybe the "Chinese crap" will get ya by.  (No
offense intended to our Asian friends!  My daughter is Asian.) 

Example - I have a cheap $20 portable grinder thing.  I can in no way say it
approaches the quality of a Makita, Milwaukee, or even Sears one, but at
1/3rd to 1/5th of the price - it's still working for me.  No problems yet.
Sure, it'll burn out some day, but I'll just toss it and buy another.  I
only use it a few times a year, maybe once a month at best.

Another example - I had a 1/2 " air impact.  Cheap Chinese one lasted about
a year of semi-regular use, then died.  I replaced with a quality
Ingersall-Rand 2131 with 600 foot pounds of torque.  Around 7 times the cost
of the cheap junk, but again, well forth it FOR ME.

Dave Brown - Gilbert, Arizona - '87 Range Rover "Chimera"
4.6L engine, Haltech EFI, Hedman Headers, Piper cam, K&N, Flowmaster, OME HD
suspension, rear Lock Right, 33" tires, etc... etc
It's never over in a Rover!

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:50:58 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Bench for Perrone

That must be one BIG bench if it goes all the out to the driveway. ;)

David G. Russell wrote:
> 
> I know that they're not always the cheapest but I just got the Griot's
> Garage Catalog and they have benches, big benches, in the $400-$800
> range. Don't know what shipping will cost though b/c they're too heavy
> for UPS
> 
> I built mine and secure it to studs with angle bracketts. If that's not
> secure enough, I use the floor or the driveway.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:35:46 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks

> > Go round with an unlit propane torch turned on just a little. When
> > the propane is sucked into the leak the engine speed will change.
>

Trevor, is this better than using the can of carb clean?  Any danger?  Yeah
I won't smoke, but anything else to beware of?
Pete

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:50:47 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

> Any pics or drawings of what you did?  Looks like I will end up making my
own...
> Thanks,
> -P

Aloha,
I will whip up a plan for you.  Be a day or so.  Fianls tomorrow and one
last paper to write.  I know, I should be writing paper now not email
Pete

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:26:13 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tools

harborfreight.com

[email-masked] wrote:

> Harbor freight tools (here, and other places) have "Chinese" tools for
> cheap.  I got a HEAVY vice with rotating and swiveling head, 6" jaws (I
> think), Anvil top, round stock clamp, etc.  About $35-40 sale from Harbor
> Freight.  They have a web page but I don't know what it is. 
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:25:29 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

>I've heard of owners bending or breaking things using 10 ton presses to get
out the bushings on the A-Arms or Radius arms on our trucks.  I have NO
desire to have those issues.
Perrone, are they breaking the tool or the truck?
Pete

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:36:59 -0400 
From: Matt Peckham <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

I need to build a bench (not wanting to spend the money, and the floor is
warped) asked a friend of mine what he would suggest, and he had this easy
tutorial, with photos, no specifics, as it's up to you.  Looks easy, this is
a project I want to tackle too.

http://www.shavings.net/images/BenchLegs.jpg

Matt Peckham
74 Lightweight.
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:55:17 -0400
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Pressing out bushings..  - Pete Hope

<html><head></head><body>The items are removed for installation so I would
have to assume they are bending the press...&nbsp; It's been awhile since I have
posed that question.&nbsp; I'll review my archives tonight when I get home.<br>
<br>
- -P<br>
<br>
Hope Peter wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email-masked]">
  <blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">I've heard of owners bending or breaking things using 10 ton presses to get<br></pre></blockquote>
    <pre wrap=""><!---->out the bushings on the A-Arms or Radius arms on our trucks.  I have NO<br>desire to have those issues.<br></pre>
    <pre wrap=""><!---->Perrone, are they breaking the tool or the truck?<br>Pete</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
</body></html>

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:26:22 -0400 
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks

With the valve open only a little the gas will be dispersed by the wind from
the fan before it can present any explosive hazard (Famous last words :-))

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hope Peter [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:36 AM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks
> 
> > > Go round with an unlit propane torch turned on just a little. When
> > > the propane is sucked into the leak the engine speed will change.
> >
> 
> Trevor, is this better than using the can of carb clean?  Any danger?
> Yeah
> I won't smoke, but anything else to beware of?
> Pete

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:58:03 -0300
From: [email-masked] (Peter Rosvall)
Subject: LRO: Rims...

Hello All!

>From what I've been told, Austin Gypsy rims (16") will fit the series bolt
pattern. No problem there, what I was wondering though was about the
offset...Is the offset also the same as a series LR or different?

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
Wolfville, Nova Scotia

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:43:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Rims...

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Peter Rosvall wrote:

:
:Hello All!
:
:From what I've been told, Austin Gypsy rims (16") will fit the series bolt
:pattern. No problem there, what I was wondering though was about the
:offset...Is the offset also the same as a series LR or different?
:

I can guarantee it's different.  It might also be the same.  There are
bunches of different Land-Rover wheels.  It would help if you've got
measurements of the gypsy wheels?

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:36:26 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Solex Rebuilt and Leaking Problem

Hi all,

Some may remember my posts early in the week about a bad accelerator pump leak.  I replaced the accelerator diaphram and rid myself of that leak.  In the process I took the Solex apart and replaced each gasket with fresh ones from my RN gasket kit for the Solex.  Now that I have it all together and running, leaks are everywhere.  The main base leaks at the center (might be that the two securing nuts at the base are too tight (?). And a leak appears at the gasket between the upper and lower halves of the Solex.  Not the top plate, but the middle section.  The securing bolts for this joint are upside down so as to severly limit any further tightening while the carb is in place.  To describe the leaks as a seep would be more accurate.

At idle I can see fuel making its way south to the manifold and this worries me as it is a sure fire hazard.

Any one have a suggestion?  I understood the gaskets were to be applied without any gasket sealant as this might contaminate andweaken the "leather-like" gasket material.  Is this my fatal flaw?  I'm at a loss here folks and could use some insight.  

Thanks,

Ron Ward

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:20:53 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: slowly getting it together

Well, I started putting the motor together even though the head is still
getting repaired. It's gone very well due to all the tips from this list
and from friends rebuilds. I marked the timing gears and block before I
removed them so I would have no problem putting them back on. I had a
problem with the grub screw for the distributor, the one under the oil
filter. I got the hole lined up fine due to a list tip, but the screw 
was too long and stopped the shaft from turning when I tightened it. So
I had to grind a bit off, and all is well. I welded a baffle in the oil 
pan, right before it starts sloping up towards the front. hopefully this
will stop the oil light from coming on while going down steep hills. I
also made a lexan window for the flywheel housing opening since I didn't
have a cover. Now I seem to remember that the copper head gasket needs
to be oiled before installation. Is this correct? All I have left is the
oil pump, the oil pan, the timing cover and the head and I'm ready to
roll. :0) So thanks to everyone for all the help I did and didn't ask
for.
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:10:17 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Koenig Winches

Anyone have a line on a koenig king crank driven winch?  Buddy on island
wants one like mine.
Thanks
Pete

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:45:03 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Koenig Winches

> Anyone have a line on a koenig king crank driven winch?  Buddy on island
> wants one like mine.
> Thanks
> Pete

Ooops, or a capstan winch.  which ever, it has to be crank driven, he
doesn't want to get rid of the overdrive.
Thanks
Pete again

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:05:17 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Help with outfitting shop - excuse the cross-post

> Any pics or drawings of what you did?  Looks like I will end up making my
own...
> Thanks,
> -P
Aloha,
the design is up under tech articles at www.aloharovers.com
direct link is http://www.aloharovers.com/workbench.htm
Hope this helps.  Minus the sheet metal top, it runs under $100.
Pete

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:57:30 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks

Paul Quin wrote:

> One problem has cropped up though...   I replaced the manifold to head
> gasket (old SII style one piece unit), most of the manifold bolt / studs,
> and the carb packing block and bottom gaskets.  Now I have what sounds like
> a vacuum leak.  Once warmed up, a whistling starts.  The Land Rover sounds

Same torque on all the studs?. Clean mating surfaces?. Gasket intact? (No groves
from bends). Tighten the clamps on the brake vaccum hose?. Brake vacuum hose
intact?. Tighten the locknut on brake vacuum pipe?. Check dizzy vacuum rubbers &
line?. Check carb fitting? (Studs, nuts, adapter, gasket). Check if tea on
garage hot plate is about ready?

What did i miss?

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:34:36 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Koenig Winches

I'll ask Ike Goss, who is stopping by today on his way to California. He
used to have at least a couple.

Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > Anyone have a line on a koenig king crank driven winch?  Buddy on island
> > wants one like mine.
> > Thanks
> > Pete
> 
> Ooops, or a capstan winch.  which ever, it has to be crank driven, he
> doesn't want to get rid of the overdrive.
> Thanks
> Pete again

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:31:19 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Newswire headline

Perrone, I wondered if you had taken the garage questions too far when I saw
this headline today

"Florida Probes Claims Against Ford "

http://www.individual.com/servlet/BuildIssue?mode=topics&content_src=/frames
/story.shtml%3fstory=h0508201.501%26level3=881%26date=20010510%26inIssue=TRU
E

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:00:25 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

And what does it say? For those of us who don't want to join to read the
story.

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> Perrone, I wondered if you had taken the garage questions too far when I saw
> this headline today
> 
> "Florida Probes Claims Against Ford "
> 
> http://www.individual.com/servlet/BuildIssue?mode=topics&content_src=/frames
> /story.shtml%3fstory=h0508201.501%26level3=881%26date=20010510%26inIssue=TRU
> E

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:40:06 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Tub adjustment

The only pop rivets would be where the sill/B post attaches to the tub by
the door. the reason the middle doors have a slant on the bottom rear.
These probably will not line up, they were probably drilled as they were
putting her together. What other areas are causing trouble?
Jim Wolf

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:15:41 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Newswire headline

The Florida courts are investigating claims that Ford sold second quality
components as new. 
"But, sir, all Land Rovers come with dents. It part of the heritage, just
like the leaks"

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jim Hall [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:00 AM
> To:	[email-masked]
> Subject:	Re: LRO: Newswire headline
> 
> And what does it say? For those of us who don't want to join to read the
> story.
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:32:21 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

Maybe that's where everybody from British Bulldog went to. ;)

Easton Trevor A wrote:
> 
> The Florida courts are investigating claims that Ford sold second quality
> components as new.
> "But, sir, all Land Rovers come with dents. It part of the heritage, just
> like the leaks"
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Hall [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:00 AM
> > To:   [email-masked]
> > Subject:      Re: LRO: Newswire headline
> >
> > And what does it say? For those of us who don't want to join to read the
> > story.
> >
> >

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:35:00 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Newswire headline

Second HAND parts or second quality parts? I doubt it would be news to many 
that they sold poor quality parts and I can;t see much of an investigation 
being required to determine that. However, I think a lot of people would be 
surprised if they found out that Ford was selling second hand parts as it's 
unlikly these would last long enough to be resold ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:44:08 -0700
From: "Paul Quin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tracking Down Vacuum Leaks + Solex Nationality

Thanks all,

Using the cardboard tube stethoscope idea, i tracked  the whistle down to
either the packing block gasket right under the cold start body, or the
O-ring on the cold start tube itself.  I won't be able to tell for sure
until I take the carb off this weekend.

I'll have to whistle my way to work for a few days yet...

Paul in Victoria.

Ps.  What nationality is the Solex Company?  My girlfriend who hails from
Bordeaux, France thought that it might be French due to all the little Solex
mopeds that she used to see flying around Arcachon...  I just assumed that
Solex is/was a British company...

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>

> Paul Quin wrote:
>
> > One problem has cropped up though...   I replaced the manifold to head
> > gasket (old SII style one piece unit), most of the manifold bolt /
studs,
> > and the carb packing block and bottom gaskets.  Now I have what sounds
like
> > a vacuum leak.  Once warmed up, a whistling starts.  The Land Rover
sounds
>
> Same torque on all the studs?. Clean mating surfaces?. Gasket intact? (No
groves
> from bends). Tighten the clamps on the brake vaccum hose?. Brake vacuum
hose
> intact?. Tighten the locknut on brake vacuum pipe?. Check dizzy vacuum
rubbers &
> line?. Check carb fitting? (Studs, nuts, adapter, gasket). Check if tea on
> garage hot plate is about ready?

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:03:41 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

..... But Ford sold second quality cars as new.

J-L, scarred for life from that bloody 89 Topaz.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: LRO: Newswire headline

> The Florida courts are investigating claims that Ford sold second quality
> components as new.
> "But, sir, all Land Rovers come with dents. It part of the heritage, just
> like the leaks"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Hall [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:00 AM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline
> >
> > And what does it say? For those of us who don't want to join to read the
> > story.
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:11:47 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

J-L, scarred for life from that bloody 89 Topaz.

You too? Had one of them for the wife. From when it dropped its auto
transmission at exactly 40K miles to its being trundled away as junk beause
the computer kept trying to max out the throttle the car was unmitigated
scrap.....

                         aj"Never again a bloody Ford!"r

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:31:27 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

I had an 85 Topaz Diesel. Kept it in the family for 11 years still had
the original battery. over 300,000 KMs when sold. the next owner used it
as daily driver for 2 more years. No repairs except brakes and a set of
ball joints. Great car.
John and Muddy 

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> J-L, scarred for life from that bloody 89 Topaz.
> 
> You too? Had one of them for the wife. From when it dropped its auto
> transmission at exactly 40K miles to its being trundled away as junk beause
> the computer kept trying to max out the throttle the car was unmitigated
> scrap.....
> 
>                          aj"Never again a bloody Ford!"r

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Date: 10 May 2001 10:32:40 PDT
From: Casey McMullen <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Newswire headline

Even worse, they would actually be second-hand second-quality parts!

"N Forbes" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Second HAND parts or second quality parts? I doubt it would be news to many

> that they sold poor quality parts and I can;t see much of an investigation 
> being required to determine that. However, I think a lot of people would be

> surprised if they found out that Ford was selling second hand parts as it's

> unlikly these would last long enough to be resold ;-)

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:33:05 -0600
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Hub flange bolts

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:01:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hub flange bolts

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Kirk Hillman wrote:

:What is the proper length for hub flange bolts? I know it will change
:on the front axle depending on FWH etc, but assume a standard axle
:flange is on there.  The ones I pulled out of my 88" were really short,
:some of which had stripped out.  The spare hub that came with the LR
:had all the holes stripped out from what I assume was the same problem.
:What I plan on doing is ordering the longest ones that will fit with
:an airspace at the bottom, but I would like to know what they were
:'supposed' to be.

Part number 215331 3/8" BSF by 1 19/32 (!), according to the parts manual.
I tapped one of the hubs on Mr. Sinclair to 10mm (maybe 11?) which is enough
larger in diameter that you can tap the stripped holes to it.  

David

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:51:41 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

John, I am indeed very surprised. EVERY tempo I have ever worked on (lots)
or sold work (a lot more than lots) for had severe front end problems. Mind
you this is the later generation 88 and up tempos with the IRS. They seem to
have had major durability problems. Glad to know that at least some people
got a good experience out of owning a tempo, as I can vouch for the fact
that most people do not...

Not knocking ford, look at any early to mid 80's domestically produced and
engineered compact. You'll see...

K car/Omni. (shudder)
Tempo/Escort. (shudder)
Beretta/Corsica/Cavalier (I'll stop now)

J-L

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To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

> I had an 85 Topaz Diesel. Kept it in the family for 11 years still had
> the original battery. over 300,000 KMs when sold. the next owner used it
> as daily driver for 2 more years. No repairs except brakes and a set of
> ball joints. Great car.
> John and Muddy
>
> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> >
> > J-L, scarred for life from that bloody 89 Topaz.
> >
> > You too? Had one of them for the wife. From when it dropped its auto
> > transmission at exactly 40K miles to its being trundled away as junk
beause
> > the computer kept trying to max out the throttle the car was unmitigated
> > scrap.....
> >
> >                          aj"Never again a bloody Ford!"r
>

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:54:07 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Koenig Winches

> I'll ask Ike Goss, who is stopping by today on his way to California. He
> used to have at least a couple.
>

Thanks Jim.
btw, what are Koenigs worth?
I mean I love mine, just think it's neat, but if I could get enough out of
it to get e new warn or ramsey I would consider it.
Pete

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:07:26 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

They made a diesel Tempo? I know of a four wheel drive one nearby and I 
thought that was weird. Wait a sec, a four wheel drive, diesel tempo. Cool. 
You could add a snorkel and a bull bar and some big mud flaps.

Excellent!!

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
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I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:13:52 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Solex Rebuilt and Leaking Problem

RON WARD wrote:
> Some may remember my posts early in the week about a bad accelerator pump leak.  I replaced the accelerator diaphram and rid myself of that leak.  In the process I took the Solex apart and replaced each gasket with fresh ones from my RN gasket kit for the Solex.  Now that I have it all together and running, leaks are everywhere.  The main base leaks at the center (might be that the two securing nuts at the base are too tight (?). And a leak appears at the gasket between the upper and lower halves of the Solex.  Not the top plate, but the middle section.  The securing bolts for this joint are upside down so as to severly limit any further tightening while the carb is in place.  To describe the leaks as a seep would be more accurate.
> 
> At idle I can see fuel making its way south to the manifold and this worries me as it is a sure fire hazard.
> 
> Any one have a suggestion?  I understood the gaskets were to be applied without any gasket sealant as this might contaminate andweaken the "leather-like" gasket material.  Is this my fatal flaw?  I'm at a loss here folks and could use some insight.

Did you make sure the mating surfaces were perfectly flat before
assembly? It is not unknown for them to warp. If they have, wait until
the wife has left the house for at least half the day, pop the bare
warped bits in the oven (I like mine baked at 450 for 20 minutes), then
beat them flat. The metal bends a lot easier at this temperature, so
don't hit it too hard.

Before going to the above trouble, are you sure where the leak is coming
from? The accelerator pumps have a tendency to start a syphon. Drive the
truck to get it good and hot, then lift the bonnet and remove the air
hose. Look straight down the carb and see if gas is coming out of the
accelerator pump nozzle. If so, the good news is you have found the
problem. The bad news is trying to find out why.
Check your float adjustment in the fuel bowl.
If it is correct, do the above drive to get it hot again, and quick as
you can after shutting her down get the cover off the carb. Is the gas
boiling?
If yes, do you have the proper spacer block under the carb? If not,
install it and test again.
If yes, do you have the heat shield installed? If not, install it and
test again.
If yes, you probably need an additional heat shield under the carb. The
Solex manual describes the beast, RN can send you a copy of the
appropriate pages.

This is as far as I have gotten. However, my problem may be very low
compression in the rear two cylinders causing the manifold to run hotter
than normal. I only wish it was the head gasket :-)

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Date: 10 May 2001 16:51:20 PDT
From: Casey McMullen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

I've always thought it would be cool to lift an AMC Eagle and put big mudders
on it.  Everyone I've known who had one of those cars loved it.

Casey

"N Forbes" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> They made a diesel Tempo? I know of a four wheel drive one nearby and I 
> thought that was weird. Wait a sec, a four wheel drive, diesel tempo. Cool.

> You could add a snorkel and a bull bar and some big mud flaps.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:07:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

On 10 May 2001, Casey McMullen wrote:

:I've always thought it would be cool to lift an AMC Eagle and put big mudders
:on it.  Everyone I've known who had one of those cars loved it.
:

I saw one of these a couple years ago.  It was spectacularly ugly.  It
might have just been an Eagle body on some other chasiss though.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:17:28 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

There is actually a lifted and tricked out one around here. It has been
modified enough that it might do halfway decent off road. It seems to 
me that they went through cv joints somewhat fast though.

Casey McMullen wrote:
> 
> I've always thought it would be cool to lift an AMC Eagle and put big mudders
> on it.  Everyone I've known who had one of those cars loved it.
> 
> Casey
> 

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1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:15:07 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

Around here all the red necks stick Chevette bodies on Jeep or bronco 
chassis. Not sure why but it seems awfully popular.

"Ya, I got a Vette. A CHEvette!"

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

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He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:24:01 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

> 
> J-L, scarred for life from that bloody 89 Topaz.
> 
> 
I thought that was Towpath, because it had 1 mule power

chris hall

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:33:11 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Newswire headline

> Around here all the red necks stick Chevette bodies on Jeep or bronco 
> 
> chassis. Not sure why but it seems awfully popular.
> 
> "Ya, I got a Vette. A CHEvette!"
> 

A guy in North Carolina use to put  Triumph Spitfire bodys on jeep
chassis. A friend went to see him unannounced and found him in the back
of the shop electrocuting rats with his plasma cutter.  Now why does that
seem so right?

Chris hall

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:25:34 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Solex Rebuilt and Leaking Problem

How is the float adjusted?

>>> [email-masked] 05/10/01 18:20 PM >>>
RON WARD wrote:
> Some may remember my posts early in the week about a bad accelerator pump leak.  I replaced the accelerator diaphram and rid myself of that leak.  In the process I took the Solex apart and replaced each gasket with fresh ones from my RN gasket kit for the Solex.  Now that I have it all together and running, leaks are everywhere.  The main base leaks at the center (might be that the two securing nuts at the base are too tight (?). And a leak appears at the gasket between the upper and lower halves of the Solex.  Not the top plate, but the middle section.  The securing bolts for this joint are upside down so as to severly limit any further tightening while the carb is in place.  To describe the leaks as a seep would be more accurate.
> 
> At idle I can see fuel making its way south to the manifold and this worries me as it is a sure fire hazard.
> 
> Any one have a suggestion?  I understood the gaskets were to be applied without any gasket sealant as this might contaminate andweaken the "leather-like" gasket material.  Is this my fatal flaw?  I'm at a loss here folks and could use some insight.

Did you make sure the mating surfaces were perfectly flat before
assembly? It is not unknown for them to warp. If they have, wait until
the wife has left the house for at least half the day, pop the bare
warped bits in the oven (I like mine baked at 450 for 20 minutes), then
beat them flat. The metal bends a lot easier at this temperature, so
don't hit it too hard.

Before going to the above trouble, are you sure where the leak is coming
from? The accelerator pumps have a tendency to start a syphon. Drive the
truck to get it good and hot, then lift th bonnet and remove the air
hose. Look straight down the carb and see if gas is coming out of the
accelerator pump nozzle. If so, the good news is you have found the
problem. The bad news is trying to find out why.
Check your float adjustment in the fuel bowl.
If it is correct, do the above drive to get it hot again, and quick as
you can after shutting her down get the cover off the carb. Is the gas
boiling?
If yes, do you have the proper spacer block under the carb? If not,
install it and test again.
If yes, do you have the heat shield installed? If not, install it and
test again.
If yes, you probably need an additional heat shield under the carb. The
Solex manual describes the beast, RN can send you a copy of the
appropriate pages.

This is as far as I have gotten. However, my problem may be very low
compression in the rear two cylinders causing the manifold to run hotter
than normal. I only wish it was the head gasket :-)

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