Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #344

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:35:02 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, April 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 344

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 01 08:41:45 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: special tool

>I can't believe anyone would use a  cold chisel for this.  I have a big old 
>marlinspike with a flat end and a five pound hammer that works much better 
>and doesn't destroy the castellated nut in the process.

I'm impressed.  Does the marlinspike have some sort of gauge to let you 
know when you have reached 95 foot pounds of torque on the nut you are 
beating up on?

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:56:38 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: special tool

> I'm impressed.  Does the marlinspike have some sort of gauge to let you 
> know when you have reached 95 foot pounds of torque on the nut you are 
> beating up on?
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman               
	[Easton Trevor A]  
	See http://www.surebolt.com/surebolt.htm [Easton Trevor A]   for
calibrated marlinspikes 

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:58:38 -0400
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

WRC Rules wouldn't stop manufacturer from making a WRX "wannabe" model with
2.5 or even more!!!!
Already here in Canada. I was passed by one last Thursday.

> They have to be up to 2.0L to compete in the WRC.
>  
> Luis M.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:03:57 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Pranks (was steering clunk)

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:10:52 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Steering "clunk"

>Hear hear!  BTW, I was just beginning to think you 
were an OK human til you told all
of us about your evil prank on the guy with the magnets.

We wouldn't have done it except the guy was just so 
ADAMANT about how fabulous these stupid magnets 
were.  And here's another one you can use on your 
friends who've just finished a complete rebuild of a 
Series Land Rover and are annoying the hell out of 
you with their blather about what a wonderful vehicle 
they've created.  I cannot take credit for this prank; 
it was one of my co-workers.

Back in the mid-80s our manager purchased 
a brand new motorcycle, one of those Honda 
sideways-V-twins, I think.  Of course, he went on 
and on about how incredible this motorcycle was, 
until the rest of us started ducking into other 
rooms when we saw him coming.  My 
co-worker, who will remain nameless even 
though we all call him "Larry," started pouring 
half a cup of lube oil on the pavement directly 
under the gear case of our manager's bike 
at lunchtime.  Our manager became frantic, 
convinced that his new baby had a serious 
problem.  He took it to the dealer several times, 
but of course the dealer found nothing wrong.
  
Larry eased off on the lube-oil thing after a few weeks, 
but perhaps once a month or so for the next two years, 
he'd pour some oil under the bike, as it very effectively 
put a stop to the "my motorcycle is the most amazing 
machine on the planet" diatribes.  So if you have an 
annoying friend who's bugging you with his "my Land 
Rover's perfect" speeches, grab yourself a container of 
engine oil and pour a bit under the front and rear crank 
seals of the engine.  The front seal area is pretty easy to get 
at without having to crawl under anything.  Or pour a little 
puddle of 90 wt. under the steering relay or one of the swivel 
balls.  A few days of this will put a quick end to those 
"mine's better than yours" taunts.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:12:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: special tool

whatsa big deal?  Do like I did and get thee to the hardware store or yer   
junque pile and get a 12 inch chunk of 1/4 inch square mild steel.  That   
and a hammer or rock, and its a done deal.  Torque be damned, tighten the   
thing as tight as you can get it.  The mild steel will mushroom at the   
end but that's good.  hardened steel, like a chisel is a good option if   
it is the only option between you and being stranded alongside the road.   
 Having said all this, I have the special tool with 1/2 inch drive, but   
on rechecks of the nut last tightened with a non-special tool, all is   
well. So I've never used the "special tool"  Its just part of my roadside   
repair kit, along with the replacement gear and back plate and bearing,   
should my OD kick the bucket on me.  The end.

 -----Original Message-----
From:	TeriAnn Wakeman [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:42 AM
To:	[email-masked]; [email-masked]; SJH; LRO list
Subject:	Re: LRO: Re: special tool

>I can't believe anyone would use a  cold chisel for this.  I have a big   
old
>marlinspike with a flat end and a five pound hammer that works much   
better
>and doesn't destroy the castellated nut in the process.

I'm impressed.  Does the marlinspike have some sort of gauge to let you
know when you have reached 95 foot pounds of torque on the nut you are
beating up on?

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:33:28 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Pranks (was steering clunk)

At 09:03 18/04/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote
>  grab yourself a container of
>engine oil and pour a bit under the front and rear crank
>seals of the engine.

I just showed this to my wife who immediately said, "If someone did that to 
you, how would you ever notice any difference?"

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:33:14 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO:AC Delco 10si was Bosch alternator for SIIa?

> >Basil, who won't be so dim
>
>DIm is one thing - but is Basil presently Fawlty?

Well, he IS a rather funny looking and rather tall. And oh so british. And 
until this alternator gets in place, he is definitely Fawlty.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:44:52 -0500
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luis_Ml_Guti=E9rrez?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

No, they dont, but what they do require is to have a minimum production for
the car participating, in order to be able to call it a "production" car. I
dont know how many thousand cars should be made, but those are the ones
being sold all over the world, EXCEPT the US.
The same happens for example with Mitsu. Evolution VII. They are selling the
2.0L Turbo 280Hp already, with absolutely no plans to sell it in the US.
I guess if they already have to build some of the cars (almost) exactly to
their rally version, bordering in exoticness, they should well make a profit
on selling it to the hp-crazy world community. But building even further an
already 280hp subcompact, I dont know if it justifies the needed R&D money.
Maybe it does. This is all just guesswork.

Anyway, the top-dog WRX - STi is a 2.0L too.
Take a look at this:
http://210.254.95.20/showroom/imp_s/menu_c00.htm

It is from www.subaru.co.jp , almost everything is in japaneese but numbers
are the same.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

> WRC Rules wouldn't stop manufacturer from making a WRX "wannabe" model
with
> 2.5 or even more!!!!
> Already here in Canada. I was passed by one last Thursday.
>
>
>
> > They have to be up to 2.0L to compete in the WRC.
> >
> > Luis M.
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:17:19 -0700
From: "Hoult, Bryan" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: East Range

That's good looking rope on that winch.

Looks like you had a great trip.  Now, to get used to the NW, you need to do
it again while a steady stream of ice water pelts the side of your head and
trickles down to your seat and legs.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Hope Peter [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:12 AM
To: Mendo_Recce; [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: East Range

ANother Aloha update :-)
http://www.aloharovers.com
Photos are up from East Range, hope you enjoy.
http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange.htm
I also put up a couple of photos of the engine Robert just got from RDS.
http://www.aloharovers.com/rdsengine.htm

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: spring swap

Could you send my email on the springs, back to me.  Didn't save it and want 
to keep it for my FAQ file.

Mahalo
Peter O

>From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: East Range
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:20:47 -0400
>
>Peter,
>
>How was that leaf spring swap?  I'm thinking of tackling that myself this 
>summer.  Hacksaws, torches, the works?  I'm looking at the standard 
>suspension kit from AB, by the way.  Any tips from a BTDT?
>
>Ron "in need of a spinal adjustment" Ward
>
> >>> [email-masked] 04/18/01 04:05AM >>>
>Nice pictures of your East Range Adventure.  Only problem is the pictures
>don't show how scary it was.  Amazing how hard it is to photograph reality.
>Every time I tried to get pictures of scary waves while we were sailing,
>they came out looking like a mill pond.
>
>Update on roll bars, etc.
>
>I need two full roll cages for 88's like yours that will take the place of
>the hoops.
>
>For the 109, I would like a single roll bar that will go in the extra holes
>at the front corners of the rear bed.  109's have the same hoop holes as 
>the
>88 where the front top hoops go and another set slightly aft at the inside
>corners of the rear bed.  The official military roll bar goes in this 
>second
>set of pukas and has a reinforcing bracket that bolts in the bed to
>reinforce the corner of the bed and add support to the bar.  The 109 bar
>doesn't need to be full height or have any brackets welded to it, except
>possibly seat belt anchors also possibly a rear brace that would bolt to 
>the
>cap rail.
>
>My non stock bumper is a C shaped extrusion with rounded corners similar to
>the stock bumper but its made out of an extrusion that is almost twice as
>thick as the stock bumper.  If you can just bend the sections like you've
>done yours and I'll have them welded here.  I'd like the center 'u' bar to
>be spaced a little wider than yours cause my lights are in the breakfast.
>
>Have installed the rear parabolics while R and R'ing the starter motor and
>retorquing the head.  Will get it motivating tomorrow and see how much a
>difference the rear parabolic springs are.  May even get to the front
>springs tomorrow.  Have given up on doing a comparison with the TI Console
>springs for the moment.  By the way, after R and R'ing the starter, I'm 
>glad
>I don't have headers.  Enough of a PITA to have to remove the exhast pipe.
>Glad I didn't have to take off the exhaust manifold, as well.
>
>Aloha
>Peter
>
>
> >From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
> >Reply-To: [email-masked]
> >To: "Mendo_Recce" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: LRO: East Range
> >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:12:13 -1000
> >
> >ANother Aloha update :-)
> >http://www.aloharovers.com
> >Photos are up from East Range, hope you enjoy.
> >http://www.aloharovers.com/eastrange.htm
> >I also put up a couple of photos of the engine Robert just got from RDS.
> >http://www.aloharovers.com/rdsengine.htm
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:48:36 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

I know here we can get an Impreza WRX (wrc?) that puts out 247hp. I think 
it's the 2.5. Not sure if you guys get the same thing down south o' the 
border.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:03:39 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: special tool

Perhaps the rovers north tool is indeed accurate.

Goodentite Von Reefonitt sez:

"Think of it. The lever is a little shorter than a foot ,but not by much.
Think of the typical rover owner lying under a rover, pulling down on the
lever, lifting his or her weight. I suppose a 200 lb person exerting a lot
of force on the tool, effectively lifting their upper body with the strength
of their arms, would be able to exert a pull in tension of about 100 to 150
lbs, which, given the shorter than one foot bar, would work out to pretty
close to 100 ft lbs. "

No proof of this being in the original design, or that my figures are
anywhere close to accurate, but I think Mr Reefonitt might be onto
something. Torque wrenches? Who needs em ;-)

______________________________________________________
Jean-Leon Morin
AKA "Dr. Detroit"
AKA "Goodentite Reefonitt"

Valdez - 1966 IIA 109 freak
Slagmobile - 195? II parts bin

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:14:02 +0100
From: "Mike Rogers" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re-LRO: Diff housings leaks

>>>Well I destroyed the rear diff. today because the rear cover Rusted
through and I didn't catch it in time What else have others done?<<<

I cured this problem simply by welding up the rust holes, with a lump of
brass held to the other side to minimise burn through, a grind off
afterwards and with a coat of paint the repair has lasted 8 years.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
Transferboxleverless 110 project
(if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there)

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:51:46 -0400
From: "David G. Russell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Why waist time on puttin' TLC parts in your Rover?

On 17/4/01 at 13:54, Andre Shoumatoff" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The way I would do it is see if someone can adapt the cruiser tranny
> to the Rover engine, then you have the stouter TLC tranny (which
> easily handles V8s of high magnitude), a stouter T-case, and a stouter
> overdrive.  Plus, tranny/t-case combos can be had very cheaply and
> bolt in with fairly little fabrication I imagine.

Whose overdrive?

I have a Fairey in my 77 FJ-40 and was told explicitly to be gentle with
it by the p/o, the folks who put it in and from the research I did in
1988 when I bought it. If I recall, it's very similar to the Rover O/D
and suffers the same problems, especially wrt low oil capacity.

Is there now a market glut of TLC t-cases? My used replacement in 1989
was $1200.

And what Dave said about the case.

- -David

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:48:23 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Thank you

Just a quick note to the list to thank everyone who helped with advice about my
clutch tower repair/request for my 67 SWB.
The best and closest answer came from George Simmons who lives 18 miles from me
and has 3 Land Rovers.  He sold me a Clutch tower with pedal and good bushing
for $25.  It is a joy because when  got home the hydraulics for the brakes and
clutch had arrived from England. The next few days will see me driving the
beast. I flew over there to get the part and met George at the airport with his
son John. After the deal, we went for a short flight and he showed me the three
Land Rovers under the trees near his house from the air.  It is great to know
there are people out there all over the world who share our interest. George
used to be a navy pilot and was glad to see his area from the plane.  Thank you
all.
Kind regards,
Mark

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:10:50 -0500
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luis_Ml_Guti=E9rrez?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

The 2.5L is the base model. That one makes only 165HP.
It is called the RS.
Anyway, 165HP in that little box...

Luis M.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: N Forbes <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

> I know here we can get an Impreza WRX (wrc?) that puts out 247hp. I think
> it's the 2.5. Not sure if you guys get the same thing down south o' the
> border.
>
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:26:40 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Was: ...tedium, now: disclaimers

I've a few lawyer friends as well, no better or worse than the rest of
humanity IMV.

Just another example of mob rule (everything in generalities) - did I tell
you that in the UK recently a poll had politicians and journalists bottom of
the list for people they'd trust?
BELOW estate agents (realtors, US?) and lawyers...
being a journalist and a former politician this made me feel really good...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:51 AM
Subject: LRO: Was: ...tedium, now: disclaimers

> Vel Natarajan wrote:
> >  Though that wouldn't surprise
> > me.  Such is life in the US.
>
> Not just the US, although I caught an episode of Dharma & Greg last
> night where Greg joins the Army reserves, and his commanding General
> muses on the popular appeal of a brigade of lawyers being involved in a
> suicidal assault.
>
> Anyway, I have several lawyer friends that I am not ashamed of being
> seen in public with, but anti-lawyer sentiment is quite harsh out here
> too. Y'all know the one about lab rats being replaced with lawyers?
> There are more lawyers than lab rats, and there's some things a rat just
> won't do.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:03:55 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Trans output nut tool

15 min to cut, 2 min to weld, steel cost 15 cents/lb. I don't make $120/
hour, $35 cost * 17 min, so it was worth it for me to make it. Yes, the
pipe bends with pliers, with effort, against the thinner dimension. The
teeth are almost twice as wide as the thickness, plus there are 8 of 
them that all have to bend at once, plus I put a larger piece of pipe
over the outside and welded it to the teeth, so the welds have to shear
and the teeth bend, which is going to take WAY over a measley 95 ft/lbs.
Plus I enjoy making things.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> 
> You are of course making the assumption that your time is worth nothing
> and your welder will weld the thing up for less than the cost of buying a
> tool and that the end pieces left can sustain 95 pounds torque without
> distorting (You just bent every other one out with a pair of pliers).

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:06:31 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: head vs engine rebuild

Didn't make sense to me either, which is why I asked. Must be a 
rebuilders ploy to make one spend more money. I am doing just the head,
and getting .080 shaved off it.

Perrone Ford wrote:
> 
> This makes little sense.  The reasons for rebuilding the top and bottom ends
> are COMEPLETELY different.  IT is VERY common to do only top end rebuilds.
> Case in point: Oval track racing. 
- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:12:29 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

Luis, I just checked and it is the 2.0 litre but it only puts out 227hp, not 
247 as I thought. Either way, it'd be a fun car.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:43:34 -0500
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luis_Ml_Guti=E9rrez?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Was: ...tedium, now: disclaimers

I just noticed this thread.
I wasn't following it.
But, as a lawyer, I have something to say about it:

What are 500 lawyers in the bottom of the sea?

A good begining!!

I've also heard a variation of the lab rats joke:

Why are they changing them for lawyers? Because lab technicians got
emotionaly attached to the rats

I'm not only used to be the subject of 30% of all existing jokes, but I
actually learned to enjoy it.

Luis M.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>

> I've a few lawyer friends as well, no better or worse than the rest of
> humanity IMV.
>
> Just another example of mob rule (everything in generalities) - did I tell
> you that in the UK recently a poll had politicians and journalists bottom
of
> the list for people they'd trust?
> BELOW estate agents (realtors, US?) and lawyers...
> being a journalist and a former politician this made me feel really
good...
> Best Cheers

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>

>
> Anyway, I have several lawyer friends that I am not ashamed of being
> seen in public with, but anti-lawyer sentiment is quite harsh out here
> too. Y'all know the one about lab rats being replaced with lawyers?
> There are more lawyers than lab rats, and there's some things a rat just
> won't do.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:51:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, N Forbes wrote:

:Luis, I just checked and it is the 2.0 litre but it only puts out 227hp, not 
:247 as I thought. Either way, it'd be a fun car.

Only 227 HP, huh?

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:13:28 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 3$ for a rod bearing set?

check out...

I'm still wondering if its for real though...

http://www.mazdasurplus.com/Rover.asp

no affiliations, I was looking for renault alliance parts and fell on this
site.

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:14:44 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: nevermind

Never mind. Didn't see the minimum order figure...

J-L
- ----- Original Message -----
From: N Forbes <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: LRO: Iron Duke conversion

> Luis, I just checked and it is the 2.0 litre but it only puts out 227hp,
not
> 247 as I thought. Either way, it'd be a fun car.
>
> Niall Forbes
> 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
> The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm
>
> "See the happy moron,
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron.
> My God! Perhaps I am!"
> --author unknown
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:07:48 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: getting out

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> How do I get out of receiving LRO mail

This should help you...

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:12:35 -0400
From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: A puzzler.

Okay, here's one for you. How can you tell if a vehicle has been switched 
from positive to negative earth?

My ammeter seems to indicate that I'm not charging and my warning light 
agrees. Checking my voltage regulator gives odd results. So I decided to 
put in an alternator as you've all seen. But when I pulled the instruments 
out to change the leads on the ammeter, I discovered that someone had 
marked a - on the upper lead. This lead had the brown/white wire attached, 
which to my eyes should be on the positive in a stock configuration. There 
are some other wiring changes back there including supplimentary gauges.

The truck runs well enough with the positive terminal of the battery 
connected to the ground. The warning light and ammeter complain. The 
generator seems to be pumping out power of some sort. It's a IIA 88" petrol 
with positive earth. How do I check?

Really, I'm not an idiot. I'm just very new to series trucks. C'mon, ask me 
a question about programming the ECU on a Miata...

Keith Tanner and Basil, who's puzzling

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:31:44 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: A puzzler.

Keith Tanner wrote:
> 
> Really, I'm not an idiot. I'm just very new to series trucks. 
> Keith Tanner 
> ------------

Now Lad, we, the list. will be the Judge of that.
A simple disclaimer is not enough. :)
John and Muddy

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Date: 18 Apr 2001 15:33:53 PDT
From: Casey McMullen <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: sIII gearbox troubles

I could use some feedback on a good course of action with my series III
gearbox.

History: Got the truck 3 years ago, a gearbox rebuild was done some time
before that.  Immediately put on a farey OD, had to use the evil cold chisel
method on the main nut.  Going from neutral into first has always been tricky,
usually I would have to put the stick in second, then pop it into first.  Then
just before the Mendo Rallye I had clutch hydraulic problems and was trying to
force it into gear, after that the stick wouldn't deviate from neutral into
the first position at all.  Rest of the gears worked fine.

Action taken: Last night I pulled the box (by myself, uhhh my back) and
disassembled the mainshaft.  Nothing looks obviously amiss.  Distance sleeve
is broken as expected (?), retainer ring for third gear is about 30% missing. 
The 1st and 2nd speed gears have small steel teeth that mesh with the brass
rings on either side of the 1st/2nd syncro unit.  These teeth are supposed to
be sharp and pyramid shaped, but mine are a little rounded off, not terribly
much, but some.

Suggestions so far (in order of plausibility to me):
1) The steel syncro teeth on 1st and 2nd gears are worn, not allowing the
syncros to mate, both gears should be replaced.
2) A slightly loose mainshaft nut allowed play in the shaft, probably
exacerbating the previous item.  (I have the tool now)
3) Mainshaft bearings could be worn (they seem fine to me).
4) During the rebuild, mismatched gear sets were used.

Any mendo_recce people near Mountain View who know the internals of a s3 box
and could take a look at my parts for wear?

Thanks for any suggestions,
CaseyM

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:40:50 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: getting out

Go to: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:41:25 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: head vs engine rebuild

If its a 7-1 head, go ahead and mill that much off but why stop there is its 
a late head.  If its an 8-1 head, you may be asking for it.  Believe you get 
9-1 compression by taking 50 thou off an 8-1 head.  Read the engine 
discussion, if you haven't already, at 
http://pub49.ezboard.com/fgunsandroversfrm2.showMessage?topicID=21.topic

Aloha
Peter O with a 100 thou milled off his 7-1 head

>From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: LRO: head vs engine rebuild
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:06:31 -0600
>
>Didn't make sense to me either, which is why I asked. Must be a
>rebuilders ploy to make one spend more money. I am doing just the head,
>and getting .080 shaved off it.
>
>Perrone Ford wrote:
> >
> > This makes little sense.  The reasons for rebuilding the top and bottom 
>ends
> > are COMEPLETELY different.  IT is VERY common to do only top end 
>rebuilds.
> > Case in point: Oval track racing.
>--
>Jim Hall
>1966 88" Elephant Chaser
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
>"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
>with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 01 16:06:44 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: special tool

>whatsa big deal?  Do like I did and get thee to the hardware store or yer   
>junque pile and get a 12 inch chunk of 1/4 inch square mild steel.  That   
>and a hammer or rock, and its a done deal.  Torque be damned, tighten the   
>thing as tight as you can get it.

Oh, OK.  This level of repair seems all too common with series Land Rover 
owners.  People take REAL pride in NOT doing things correctly.  I sure 
wish people would quit complaining about how unreliable series Land 
Rovers are.  It's not the car's fault.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:22:24 -0700
From: Wise Owl <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #342

At 06:00 PM 17/04/01, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:12:37 +0100
>From: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: Re: metal fuel line question- copper
>
>Why not just plumb the return pipe in all the time ? With a restricter in
>the return, so it only lets a tiny amount of petrol return to the tank all
>the time. This will end your vapour lock by A/ allowing any vapour bubble to
>escape B/ the hot fuel is always being replaced by cool fuel from the tank,
>whether the engine is idleing or cruising flat out down the motorway at
>45mph. This is how many more modern systems are arranged.
>Cheers,
>
>Chaz

You can do this easily with a fuel filter for any AMC car. The return was a 
smaller output in the tin canister that heads back to the tank.

Chris

(1977 Pacer D/L Wagon)

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:25:04 -0700
From: Wise Owl <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #342

At 06:00 PM 17/04/01, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:41:18 -0400
>From: "Neal P. Dion" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: 6.5 Diesel
>
>Hi -
>Not a lot of LR content here, but I need some help and I've seen this engine
>mentioned many times in the past on this list.  I have a Chevy 3500HD one
>ton with the 6.5 turbo engine in it.  This truck is a key part of my
>business and this past Monday it finally gave up the ghost.  About 190,000
>miles and I've worked it hard, no major problems till now and no complaints.
>Have not dropped the pan yet, but I suspect that a piston will fall on my
>head when I do - engine is a write off.
>My question - does anyone know of a source  for this engine, either
>remanufactured or used.  GM gave me an estimate of just under $10K for the
>job ( $7400 for just the long block) and that's assuming that the existing
>injection system and turbo are reusable.  The truck is in good shape, but
>it's a 93 and it's tough to justify that kind of expenditure.  Any web sites
>that I should check?    I'm located in New Hampshire.
>Thanks for the help.
>LR Content - I started the Ser. 3 this past weekend.  Started right up (more
>or less!), need to do the front brakes, get it inspected and I'm on the road
>for another season.

Try and find a local military vehicle rebuilder. There is one in 
Tri-cities, Wa. They had 6.2/6.5's stacked up for HumVee's, etc.

Maybe ask a motor pool guy?

Chris

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:42:18 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: A puzzler.

Hmm.

Since it is a IIA, there is precious little of the electrical system that
has to be converted.

Your truck has a generator on it, or an alternator? It is definitely neg
earth if it has either a rover alternator, or a bastardization.

check out the coil leads. The small, 12 volt ones, not the fat cable. A pos
earth will have the negative leading to the ignition key, positive to earth,
through the points, right? But, then again, you knew that, right ;-). The
polarity should be written on the coil, if not....

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/+%20to%20-%20conversion.htm

That should give you some insight.

If in doubt, just convert the bloody thing!

J-L

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From: Keith Tanner <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: LRO: A puzzler.

> Okay, here's one for you. How can you tell if a vehicle has been switched
> from positive to negative earth?
>
> My ammeter seems to indicate that I'm not charging and my warning light
> agrees. Checking my voltage regulator gives odd results. So I decided to
> put in an alternator as you've all seen. But when I pulled the instruments
> out to change the leads on the ammeter, I discovered that someone had
> marked a - on the upper lead. This lead had the brown/white wire attached,
> which to my eyes should be on the positive in a stock configuration. There
> are some other wiring changes back there including supplimentary gauges.
>
> The truck runs well enough with the positive terminal of the battery
> connected to the ground. The warning light and ammeter complain. The
> generator seems to be pumping out power of some sort. It's a IIA 88"
petrol
> with positive earth. How do I check?
>
> Really, I'm not an idiot. I'm just very new to series trucks. C'mon, ask
me
> a question about programming the ECU on a Miata...
>
> Keith Tanner and Basil, who's puzzling
>
> ------------
> Keith's page de home:
>     http://keith.miata.net
> ------------
>
>

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