LRO: RE: Re: special tool

From: Mark Sullivan (mark.sullivan@Phonak.com.au)
Date: Wed Apr 18 2001 - 21:13:31 EDT

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    Yes castellated is the correct term ,they resemble an "old english castle
    tower" with the up and down stonework where olde archers used to fire and
    hide. normally used when a pin is inserted through the up and down section
    to "lock the nut on. Boy I bet that sounds confusing however they do work
    but is there a hole in the main shaft to put the pin thru ?? As allready
    noted it is an odd shaped nut (normally larger than standard ) which allows
    amateur mechanics to tighten down a bit more without rounding the flats of
    the nut ???

                                            Mark Sullivan

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Faure, Marin [mailto:Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 10:26 AM
    To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
    Subject: LRO: Re: special tool

    Date: Wed, 18 Apr 01 16:06:44 -0700
    From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
    Subject: RE: LRO: Re: special tool

    >>whatsa big deal? Do like I did and get thee to the hardware store or yer

    >junque pile and get a 12 inch chunk of 1/4 inch square mild steel. That
    >and a hammer or rock, and its a done deal. Torque be damned, tighten the

    >thing as tight as you can get it.

    >Oh, OK. This level of repair seems all too common with series Land Rover
    owners. People take REAL pride in NOT doing things correctly. I sure
    wish people would quit complaining about how unreliable series Land
    Rovers are. It's not the car's fault.

    The problem seems to be that Land Rover used a bizzaro nut on the end
    of the mainshaft on some vehicles. In a correspondence with someone
    off-list,
    I mentioned that my mainshaft had on it from the factory a regular hex-type
    nut, and
    this is what is illustrated in my Land Rover factory service manual. But
    many of you seem to have some sort of castleated thingy that normal
    tools won't fit. (is that a word, "castleated?") Anyway, this obviously
    explains why I had no trouble with the rear nut, as it's a standard
    hex nut size and a normal socket for that size fits on it. I don't know
    if Land Rover wised up and decided to put a normal nut on the thing after
    such-and-such a year, or if they ran out of the bizzaro nuts and had to
    resort
    to a normal nut on the day they made mine. But on mine, the instructions
    simply say tighten down fully and bend two tabs of the washer up against
    two sides of the hex nut.

    My point is, if the threads on the back end of the output shaft are of a
    standard
    number and pitch (I realize they may not be), why not simply get rid of the
    stupid
    castleated thing an put on a normal nut? Making a washer with tabs to bend
    up
    against two sides of the hex nut should be easy enough, or the stock washer
    for the bizzaro nut might work fine with a hex nut. I don't know because
    one of the
    the lock washers that came with my first Fairey overdrive was built to fold
    up against a hex
    nut (so I guess Land Rover must have used hex nuts enough that Fairey
    realized
    they could be in there).

    I agree with TeriAnn that using the wrong tool can end up costing you more
    money
    than if you'd gone out and bought or rented the right tool to start with. Or
    you may not
    install something properly, which comes back to bite you later on. But in
    the case
    of this transmission nut issue, I wonder if there's a way to make the
    problem go
    away altogether by simply switching to a nut that doesn't require a special
    tool
    (or a bar and a rock).
    ___________________________
    C. Marin Faure
      (original owner)
      1973 Land Rover Series III-88
      1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
      Seattle



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