Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #334

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:01:15 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 334

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:11:13 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

ray -- trying to head off the black hands...

And what did you do to piss off the Mafia?

Oh, you mean black on your hands - not Black Hands....

8*)

Ray, just pull the wheel off and clean and paint it.

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:30 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

I had success with one of those el cheapo black vinyl jobs that wraps around and has the plastic laces...Zesty!

>>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 10:26AM >>>

moss motors has only (per the man on the phone)
a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover.  it seems
to me by swagging it that the series steering
wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter.  will
leather stretch that much -- any other ideas
for another source.  should i just call back moss
and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson...

ray -- trying to head off the black hands...

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:26:41 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

You know, my neighbor Calhoun asked me last night if those of us on the LRO list swap recipes and Martha Stewart paint color swatches along with the random automotive fixes.  I said, "of course!  And thanks to the list I have made the most delightful batch of warm EP 90w muffins..."

Ron

>>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 10:37AM >>>
There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product....  I like it.  ;-)

"Hey!  Nice paint job.  What color is that?"

"Oh.  It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!"

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> Excellent.  Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage....   Hmmm
>
> Thanks
>
> >>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 09:04AM >>>
>
> >RON WARD wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel
> >green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and
> >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that
> >had been painted the same color.
>
> Think that would be my 88.
> Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0
>
> >  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or
> > something similar, paint color.
>
> Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called
> "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green
> $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash
> of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than
> pastel green.
>
> >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other
> >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?
>
> Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans
> searching for just the right color : )
>
> Does that make it not a LR? ; )
>
> Picture is on this page:
> http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html 
>
> Happy painting : )
> Lori

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:29:26 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

>There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart 
>product....  I like it.  ;-)

Please, next there will be a LR segment on her show, on her web site, in 
her magazine and at a K-Mart near you : )

BTW, I read she had a LR in the early years to schlep around antiques. I 
knew I liked her for a reason : )

>"Hey!  Nice paint job.

Distance is a "good thing" ; )

Lori
74 88"
Dorchester Green : )

>What color is that?"
>"Oh.  It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!"
>
>Jeff
>
>RON WARD wrote:
>
> > Excellent.  Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes 
> Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage....   Hmmm
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 09:04AM >>>
> >
> > >RON WARD wrote:
> > >Hey,
> > >
> > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel
> > >green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and
> > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that
> > >had been painted the same color.
> >
> > Think that would be my 88.
> > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my 
> rover : 0
> >
> > >  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or
> > > something similar, paint color.
> >
> > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called
> > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green
> > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash
> > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than
> > pastel green.
> >
> > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other
> > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?
> >
> > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans
> > searching for just the right color : )
> >
> > Does that make it not a LR? ; )
> >
> > Picture is on this page:
> > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html
> >
> > Happy painting : )
> > Lori

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:30:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: grim news...

George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy.  I ordered OD parts from him a   
year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone   
else's.  They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya).  He is the   
OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD   
department.  Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now.....   
 He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff.  Gave me free   
advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor)  parts.  Prompt service   
too.  I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe   
you got him on a bad day.  I plan to order from him when I have the $$

Simon (saving for a diff rebuild, otherwise I'd be ordering doors and OD   
spares from George)

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 -----Original Message-----
From:	Daniel Oppenheim [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:49 PM
To:	[email-masked]; [email-masked]; SJH;   
[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: grim news...

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:53:30 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: DC 3's

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's

>Plus a page that lists all variants of the DC-3 which 
indicates that only one C-47 was converted during the war.  That  not only 
flies in the face of Marin's research but also a vague memory I have of 
once seeing a photograph of two float equipped C-47's sitting side by side.

The person who told me only two C-47s had been mounted on floats 
was the head of the float division at EDO.  That's not to say he 
couldn't be wrong, but based on his overall knowledge of seaplanes 
in general and EDO in particular, I would tend to believe him.  I don't know 
if either of the converted C-47s was actually operated by the Army Air 
Corps, or if the project never got beyond Ed's facility on Long Island. I 
recall, however, that Jay Free (the head of the EDO float division) told 
me that more than two sets of the 29,400 pound displacement floats 
were manufactured.  But I may be confusing that with the F4F Wild 
Catfish project, which mounted the Grumman fighter on floats.  About 
ten sets of Wildcat floats were produced, and several planes were actually 
converted, so maybe I'm thinking of those numbers instead.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:09:45 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

Just remember to style the interior accordingly...

RON WARD wrote:

> You know, my neighbor Calhoun asked me last night if those of us on the LRO list swap recipes and Martha Stewart paint color swatches along with the random automotive fixes.  I said, "of course!  And thanks to the list I have made the most delightful batch of warm EP 90w muffins..."
>
> Ron
>
> >>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 10:37AM >>>
> There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product....  I like it.  ;-)
>
> "Hey!  Nice paint job.  What color is that?"
>
> "Oh.  It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!"
>
> Jeff
>
> RON WARD wrote:
>
> > Excellent.  Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage....   Hmmm
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > >>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 09:04AM >>>
> >
> > >RON WARD wrote:
> > >Hey,
> > >
> > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel
> > >green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and
> > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that
> > >had been painted the same color.
> >
> > Think that would be my 88.
> > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0
> >
> > >  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or
> > > something similar, paint color.
> >
> > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called
> > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green
> > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash
> > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than
> > pastel green.
> >
> > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other
> > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?
> >
> > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans
> > searching for just the right color : )
> >
> > Does that make it not a LR? ; )
> >
> > Picture is on this page:
> > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html
> >
> > Happy painting : )
> > Lori

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:02:53 -0400
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Starter

Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine?

I was going to use one with the Merlin engine swap, but the front springs
were too soft!

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:30:00 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

Nobody is going to accuse Rover's Down South and George of not having a 
rudimentary understanding of economics, however.  I bought my Fairey Over 
Drive 10 years ago for, I believe, $450, from Rovers North.  With inflation 
running at 3% or less, that should have upped the price to $622.91, 
compounding the inflation, in todays prices.  Most retailers were selling 
the O/D for $750 when Super Winch announced they were out of the O/D 
business.  A somewhat High but justifiable price given inflation.  All the 
suppliers upped the price to $1100 on the announcement of cessation of 
production figuring on a little help from the supply/demand equation.  It 
seemed a bit opportunistic but probably good business given the impending 
scarcity.   At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly price 
to new levels.  If your the only one with the product, you can ask what you 
want.  Our only defense is we don't have to buy.

Felt $450 was a bit pricey for my budget.  Especially when its only a simple 
single gear, case and rudimentary linkage that wasn't very well engineered 
and fragile to begin with.

Unfortunately, with my new hot rod 2 1/4, I feel the need for an overdrive.  
So it looks like the O/D is going to go on the 109.  That would solve my 
problem if I didn't have two 88's that I'm working on, also.  Ashcroft gears 
are the only other solution but doubt even the hot rod 2 1/4 could pull an 
even higher gear than the O/D.  Besides, the ability to split 3rd-4th was 
the main reason that I used to use the O/D.  Splitting gears is a god send 
in the mountains.  Driving 55mph on the flat in a truck that wants to go 
65mph is a livable annoyance.

Anybody out there want to investigate making an O/D that they could retail 
in the neighborhood of a $1,000.  Bill at Great Basin, where are you in our 
hour of need???  I'll take two if you can do it!!

Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, up and running 12/00.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: SJH <[email-masked]>
>George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy.  I ordered OD parts from him a 
>year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone
else's.  They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya).  He is the
OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD
>department.  Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now.....
He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff.  Gave me free
advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor) parts.  Prompt service too. 
  I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe
>you got him on a bad day.  I plan to order from him when I have the $$
Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally up and running 
12/00.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:47:05 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price?

There's been a long running ad for new 300tdi's from a cancelled overseas 
order.  Seem to remember price of 3,000 GBP complete with all the 
ancillaries like starter and alternator.  Seemed like quite a good price as 
people are advertising rebuilt turbo diesels, the old 2.5 with problems, for 
2,500GBP.  I can look throught an old LROI if you need the specifics but 
think I saw the ad. in the March LROI.

Aloha
Peter

>From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price?
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:03:02 -0400
>
>Tom,
>
>Last year at Billing, 200s were 2grand and I found several ...I also
>inquired about the 300s, and was told they were very hard to find (unless
>you were to look under some bonnets;-)) but would be in the 3grand range
>(lbs, of course)...if found...high demand over there.
>
>JT/ric

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:50:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Ray Harder wrote:

:
:moss motors has only (per the man on the phone)
:a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover.  it seems
:to me by swagging it that the series steering
:wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter.  will
:leather stretch that much -- any other ideas
:for another source.  should i just call back moss
:and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson...

I've seen a steering wheel done up with bicycle handle bar tape.  Looked
pretty good. 

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 01 10:54:48 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

> any other ideas for another source.

I just went to my local cheapo auto parts store.  They had a wide 
selection of leather or plastic ones.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:11:48 -0400
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: People's Republic....

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
>for a very good reason!

Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.  Had to drive from
SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral.  Apparently, the rental car was one
of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of
optional equipment: 

a turn signal

I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by
actually *using* it...

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                 www.roav.org                      |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:11:49 -0400
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: PETA

Hope Peter" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Actually I believe PETA headquarters is still on the waterfront in downtown
>Norfolk, VA.

Yup...about 500 yards as the crow flies from where I sit....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                 www.roav.org                      |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:10:50 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Brit TV

Just read here in the UK that 'The Weakest Link' hosted by Ann Robinson
starts in the US on Sunday - dunno which channel.

This woman has received hate mail and been described as the 'most hated
woman on UK TV' because she's horrible to the contestants.
 See what you think. I just think she's being stupid.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:52:57 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just all
around better than the Fairey.
I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last
summer.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

> Nobody is going to accuse Rover's Down South and George of not having a
> rudimentary understanding of economics, however.  I bought my Fairey Over
> Drive 10 years ago for, I believe, $450, from Rovers North.  With
inflation
> running at 3% or less, that should have upped the price to $622.91,
> compounding the inflation, in todays prices.  Most retailers were selling
> the O/D for $750 when Super Winch announced they were out of the O/D
> business.  A somewhat High but justifiable price given inflation.  All the
> suppliers upped the price to $1100 on the announcement of cessation of
> production figuring on a little help from the supply/demand equation.  It
> seemed a bit opportunistic but probably good business given the impending
> scarcity.   At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly
price
> to new levels.  If your the only one with the product, you can ask what
you
> want.  Our only defense is we don't have to buy.
>
> Felt $450 was a bit pricey for my budget.  Especially when its only a
simple
> single gear, case and rudimentary linkage that wasn't very well engineered
> and fragile to begin with.
>
> Unfortunately, with my new hot rod 2 1/4, I feel the need for an
overdrive.
> So it looks like the O/D is going to go on the 109.  That would solve my
> problem if I didn't have two 88's that I'm working on, also.  Ashcroft
gears
> are the only other solution but doubt even the hot rod 2 1/4 could pull an
> even higher gear than the O/D.  Besides, the ability to split 3rd-4th was
> the main reason that I used to use the O/D.  Splitting gears is a god send
> in the mountains.  Driving 55mph on the flat in a truck that wants to go
> 65mph is a livable annoyance.
>
> Anybody out there want to investigate making an O/D that they could retail
> in the neighborhood of a $1,000.  Bill at Great Basin, where are you in
our
> hour of need???  I'll take two if you can do it!!
>
> Peter Ogilvie
> Kona Coffee Rover
> 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
>      from exposure of the dark side.
> 1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, up and running 12/00.
> 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
> 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
>      certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
>
>
>
>
> >From: SJH <[email-masked]>
> >George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy.  I ordered OD parts from him a
> >year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone
> else's.  They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya).  He is the
> OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD
> >department.  Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now.....
> He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff.  Gave me free
> advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor) parts.  Prompt service
too.
>   I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe
> >you got him on a bad day.  I plan to order from him when I have the $$
> Aloha
> Peter Ogilvie
> Kona Coffee Rover
> 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
>      from exposure of the dark side.
> 1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally up and running
> 12/00.
> 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
> 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
>      certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:44:39 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

> scarcity.   At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly
price
> to new levels.  If your the only one with the product, you can ask what
you
> want.  Our only defense is we don't have to buy.

Agree that 2k is a bit high, even if it is new.  The Ashcroft conversion
with shipping is in the neighborhood of 600.
I have a line on a Toro od for under 1k.  It is missing the shift handle and
the gear that goes on the tranny output shaft.  If these parts are the same
as the Fairey unit, I will just order new from George.
Will let you know if this works out, and then my rebuilt fairey will be on
the market.
Pete

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:45:51 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price?

There was someone on the mainland US that ran an add recently in the LRX.  I
believe they were asking somewhere in the 8-10k range.
Pete

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters)

- --- "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> If a person gets a replacement heart from another person, they are 
> still a person.  If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a 
> baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a 
> person.  

etc etc...that is one of the funniest things I've read on this subject
so far. 2 points for the old fart!

dave
the young fart

=====
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David Foster Wallace

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hi-lift

- --- Larry Smith <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I still like Dave Bobeck's idea of using skate board wheels as the
> isolators.

well, now that I've graduated to motorized vehicles, I didn't have any
other use for em!

(if you don't saw them in half you need a really long bolt)
dave

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Series Fuel tanks

- --- [email-masked] wrote:
> chuck in a shovelfull of broken toughened windscreen.

Which we all have laying around of course...

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:41:49 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel

In article <A0669F3E0A6B3448A962DC6141E6C7A6093FF8@mis1>, John Tackley 
wrote:
> Paul...Guess he won't mind, then , eh???  ;->
>
No, he is probably smiling over a pint of Heavenly Guinness..

Paul

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:41:49 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on the 
Faerey.  The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct me if 
I'm wrong).  From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with the 
internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to work 
with.  So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey.  It was 
primarily the case that differed.  It was larger and allowed more room for 
oil.  Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler running 
and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the more 
robust reputation of the Santana.  All the above is what I gleaned from the 
net so could be wrong.

Your information is a little dated, Alex.  TI Console sold the last of the 
Santana's at least a year ago.  The only new O/Ds that are on the market, 
now, are RDS's Faerey units.  I believe it was the Santanas that actually 
lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory.  The 
Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for the 
new Faereys.  From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare parts 
available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL.  At least with 
the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep the 
Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally up and running 
12/00.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:52:57 -0400
>
>The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just 
>all
>around better than the Fairey.
>I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last
>summer.
>
>Alex Maiolo

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: DaveB <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Hi-lift & Tailgates

- --- "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Not hard to believe Dave had a skateboard, but it is hard to believe
> Dave
> had an idea...oh, well...that's another completely different topic...

Oh? You've got my attention Mr...

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:49:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: santana(not Carlos)

Alex wrote:

The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just   
all
around better than the Fairey.
[SJH]  :  Except for spare parts availability (unless something changed   
while I wasn't lloking...

Simon

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:56:30 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic....

Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in
California.  In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads
when you are the only car for miles.  It is natural and instinctive and taught
in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones)
NO-ONE uses them here.  There was a news program on it and motorists were
stopped and asked why they did not use them.  The answer was that "if you use
them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so
they can cut you off"!!!!!!  If you do not use it and just barge out into the
traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way.  That however
assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!!    What I
have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is
needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway.
Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!?
Mark Pilkington

"A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote:

> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
> >for a very good reason!
>
> Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.  Had to drive from
> SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral.  Apparently, the rental car was one
> of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of
> optional equipment:
>
> a turn signal
>
> I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by
> actually *using* it...
>
> Cheers
>
>   *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
>   |                                                   |
>   |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
>   |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
>   |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
>   |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
>   |                 www.roav.org                      |
>   |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        |
>   *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: People's Republic....

a turn signal

[SJH]  As my sister in law from Kally once said when my brother asked her   
why she didn't use her signal (in a valley girl voice:  "becuase then   
they  (the other drivers)  will know what I am going to do."   

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:34:54 -0400
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: tanks alot

"Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>But on a stock Series, 
>at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly 
>under the tank.  It's not separated by much; in fact at first 
>glance it looks like it's part of the tank itself.  There's not 
>any daylight between them.

The plate can be separated from the tank with considerable effort and not a
little aggravation.  It appears that the two were adhered with some kind of
asphalt (!) sealant or somesuch.  Designed to keep water/salt/etc. out.
Rather, it provides a nifty, concealed place for the rustworm to hide and
do its worst at its leisure	, eating the tank from the outside in.

Quintin Aspin has the neatest fix.  Once the plate and tank bottom are all
cleaned up, the butters both sides up with West epoxy, aligns the two
pieces, then places a spare wheel or two on top.  Epoxy (depending upon the
mix/type) cures in a couple of hours, but there is no place for the
rustworm to hide anymore.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                 www.roav.org                      |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:34:56 -0400
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Hybridized

Mitch Stockdales <[email-masked]> wrote:

>My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid.  I have no control over modern medicine.
>There I said it.  I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a
>Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right
>knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract. 

Yow....you must have a lot of fun going though aiprort security.... ;-)

The blokes at SFO wanted to see my LR ball cap yesterday...and then they
insisted I 'open' my digital camera....

I guess they were somewhat on edge...the woman who went though immediately
before me had half a dozen visible piercings (ears, nose, lip...)  The
hand-held detector 'found' quite a few others....

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                 www.roav.org                      |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:49:08 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

"Faure, Marin" wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:34:00 -0700
> From: SJH <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard:  WAAAY OT
> 
> >Kids tend to shed less than dogs, depending on the dog, and the kid.
> 
> Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
> (five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller.  It's
> a real breed, by the way.)
> 

But you have missed walking the rows of planes with a daughter at a
major flyin, and watching her face light up for the cool ones. And you
will be happy to hear that the "Coolest" had proper round engines
(occasionally in multiples) and floats or a water hull.

Don't think the collie would have enjoyed Lakeland as much :-)

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:00:48 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic....

Now that I am in Los Angeles, I have learned the most effective way to change
lanes is a "head fake".  If you look in a direction, others will assume that is
where you are going and will speed up or slow down to prevent your lane change.
Instead, look longingly to one side twice to fool other drivers and quickly look
where you WANT to go and turn the wheel.  I have also learned just to close my
eyes and go for it.

But no matter where I go or what I see, I will always reflect back to the time I
saw a women in the #2 lane of the 805 Freeway in San Diego driving North just
past Mission Valley in a Brown 1978 Cutless Supreme driving at 65MPH riding on
the right front rotor.  No tire.  No wheel.  Just the rotor.  Sparks flying back
25~30 feet.  Not a cop in site.  Light traffic.  And she didn't look like she had
a care in the world.  Just tooling along doing the speed limit.  I think of that
and all the other idiotic things I see seem to pale just a little.

I love California.  It's like watching Cops 24 hours a day.  Instant ego boost.
When even I feel low or blue or think I just colossally screwed up, I look around
me and I realize my life isn't nearly that f**ked after all.  I just think, "Hey,
at least I'm not on Cops!"

Jeff

Mark Pilkington wrote:

> Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in
> California.  In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads
> when you are the only car for miles.  It is natural and instinctive and taught
> in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones)
> NO-ONE uses them here.  There was a news program on it and motorists were
> stopped and asked why they did not use them.  The answer was that "if you use
> them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so
> they can cut you off"!!!!!!  If you do not use it and just barge out into the
> traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way.  That however
> assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!!    What I
> have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is
> needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway.
> Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!?
> Mark Pilkington
>
> "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote:
>
> > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
> > >for a very good reason!
> >
> > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.  Had to drive from
> > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral.  Apparently, the rental car was one
> > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of
> > optional equipment:
> >
> > a turn signal
> >
> > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by
> > actually *using* it...
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >   *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
> >   |                                                   |
> >   |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
> >   |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
> >   |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
> >   |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
> >   |                 www.roav.org                      |
> >   |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        |
> >   *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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