Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #333

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:12:29 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 333

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: joe mulqueen <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Steering Relay knock update 2

Further Relay Work:
I just removed the originally installed lower relay
retainer ring (it was mounted correctly with its
flange flush to the bottom of the crossmember).  The 4
small fine threaded fasteners needed a 7/16" socket
for removal They were original, never removed british
fasteners - but not Whitworth.  They came out very dry
& tight due to light rusting from being exposed inside
the crossmember box section.  After thoroughly
cleaning the area and the ring, I could place the ring
back up to its location and realized a definite amount
of clearance between the ring's ID and the OD of the
mating portion on the new relay.  After carefully
scrutinizing the ring, I'm thinking it MAY be
streteched to a larger diameter where it's supposed to
touch the relay.  For the short term I bludgeoned the
ring a few times on the ground to try to make it
better "grip" my relay.  Meanwhile, I'm now ordering a
brand new retainer ring and hopefully it will better
fit the relay.  I'm also wondering if that machined
diameter on my new relay is correct????
Joe Mulqueen
'67 SIIA 109 SW

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:50:51 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: relay knock found?

I never disturbed the lower
retainer ring when I installed the new relay.

Joe, get the ring on there - that will solve the
problem. The inner
diameter of the ring is a snug (almost driven) fit to
the relay and is
there to prevent the problem you're describing.

If you don't have the ring, someone here may have one
or there's always 
the
other parts places.

Don't shim anything till you've gotten the ring on -
any shims you put 
in
will likely over the fullness of time turn to
rust...and then it's back
again.

               ajr

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:00:58 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marin the angry chef

Bill-

Sorry for jumping to conclusions.  Given the recent number of 
posts strongly objecting to my comments on "what's a Land 
Rover," "youth," et al, I assumed you were simply continuing 
the "Marin's posts are long, boring, and objectionable" thread(s).  
I'm not normally too sensitive to criticism, but this whole thing has 
been going on WAY too long (mostly my fault, I guess), so when 
I saw your Swedish Chef thing I figured, great, here's another person 
trying to nail me for being overly verbose and offensive.  Combine 
that with a bad day at the office (the idiots in charge of computers 
around here are constantly "improving" our software, with the result 
that you spend a day undoing their improvements to get the things to 
work right again), and you get the things I said.  I hope that explains 
why I over-reacted, although it doesn't excuse it.  Someone I respect 
a lot who used to work here told me once that you really have to be 
careful with e-mail, because like a bullet from a gun, you can't call 
it back once you hit SEND.  His advice was to wait a day before 
sending a strong reply to someone else's message, as things might 
look different in the morning.  It is excellent advice, and I didn't 
follow it this time.  For that I apologize.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:04:17 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with
snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires.
#4 made no difference. Points should be fine since I have an electronic
ignition. I'm hoping for a cracked valve as I was wanting to do work on
the head anyway, and it will be the least labor intensive.

Faure, Marin wrote:

> It might also be worth checking the points.  I had a similar symptom on
> a trip to the Yukon and Northwest Territories in 1977.  The vehicle started
> missing, and it progressively got worse until it wouldn't run at speed at all.
> Backfiring, missing, terrible.  But it would start and idle just fine.  Checked the fuel
> feed and it was okay.  Turned out the problem was the points had worn
> through their hard coating, and then they eroded very rapidly.  Put in a new
> set of points, and the thing ran perfectly.  This may not be your problem at
> all, but it might be worth checking out.  Usually an engine problem that materializes
> right away is pretty minor, in that it's just an adjustment or failed component like
> points, fuel pump, etc.  A more major problem generally takes time to become
> apparent.  Not a hard and fast rule, of course, but it's been my experience that's what
> happens.
> ___________________________
> C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:07:01 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Sighting--Ft. Collins CO

The green 1966 88" belongs to Jim Hall, no relation, just amazing 
coincidence.

William J. Rice wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> I've seen my first two series LRs in town since moving to Ft. Collins in
> the past few days and neither time have I been in Mrs. Merdle!
> 
> Yesterday I saw a white SII or IIA 109 Reg, hard top, RHD, with a LR
> sticker on the door right here in Ft. Collins CO and last week I saw a
> pale green SII or IIA 88", also hard top (with liftgate, not SW rear
> door).
> 
> Anyone know either of these trucks?
> 
> bill

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:13:01 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time

Luckily I checked it not too long ago, so I will have readings for 
comparison. It was 127, 110, 120, 130. Maybe I will check it tomorrow.

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> Stuck valve - could be. Head gasket? Hmmmmm....
> 
> SOunds to me like a compression check is highly in order, then have a look
> at your options after that.
> 
>                          ajr

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:13:17 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: fuel tanks

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:05:12 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: fuel tanks

>Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was =
Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank?  I =
looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and =
dings from the P.O. 

The stock fuel tank for a Model 88 (I can't speak for the 109) incorporates 
a pretty thick skid plate under the tank.  There is a cut-out in the plate 
for the tank's drain plug.  It's been so long since I replaced the original 
tank on my SIII, that I can't recall if the skid plate actually separates 
from the tank or not.  I think it does, but I can't swear to it and I don't have 
my SIII at work today to go look at it.  I also think some of the mounting 
hardware or attach points are actually part of the plate, not the tank, but 
again I could be wrong.  The Rovers North catalog I have lists a replacement 
tank, but it does not list a skid plate as a separate item.

It's possible not all Series fuel tanks used the skid plate, or it may 
be possible to mount the tank on the vehicle without the plate.  Or 
the previous owner of your vehicle may have installed an aftermarket 
tank that did not incorporate a skid plate.  But on a stock Series, 
at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly 
under the tank.  It's not separated by much; in fact at first 
glance it looks like it's part of the tank itself.  There's not 
any daylight between them.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:18:20 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Ballykissangel

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:45:24 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel

>I've had a personal mail in with Marin - we often discuss television off
list - but I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I
won't say why until you've seen it.

The first show of the latest BallyK series will run on BBC America 
this Sunday.  We'll tape it and I'll let you (Frank) know what my reaction 
was after we've watched it later next week.

NBC has been putting a lot of effort into hyping a game show 
from the UK called "The Weakest Link."  I haven't seen it yet 
(I think it premiers next week).  Is it as big a deal in the UK 
as NBC is claiming it is?

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:36:58 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: fuel tank

> I know, I was concerned about not having plates under my tank too.
>> Someone said to remove a plate to be able to paint the tank. I have two
>> tanks, one each side and neither has anything under it except a lot of
>> dents and scratches. It must have been knocked off!!!
>Aloha Mark and Rich.
>Believe that was me.  Seperate the plate from the tank, to paint and prevent
>future rust.  You have the plate also, if you don't then the tank is only
>held in place by the inlet hose, or you have some custom after market jobby.
>The 'plate' is a 14-16 piece that gets welded to the bottom of the fuel
>tank, gets a few bends in her, and has the holes drilled in it to mount to
>the chassis.
>I definately is NOT a skid plate.  It's more like a 'catch water and mud
>till the bottom of the tank rusts through' plate.

I have two side tanks that came from military Santana's, I haven't been
able to find
the seam between the plate and the tank. I know what to look for as I also
have the
SW 109 rear tank that has the seam and have separated cleaned, painted etc.
and put
back. I have done everything I can think of, but no seam. They are from
Santanas that
were used by the Saudi military and I removed them myself from the junked
vehicle (88).
Any ideas on finding these elusive plate seams?
Jim Wolf 

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's

>
>the air.  The program was cancelled after two C-47s had been fitted
>with the floats,

I tried posting on this last night but I suspect that there is some form of 
filter in the mailing list that knocks out messages with too many URL's.

Anyhow, if you go to google.com and put the search term "DC-3" and "floats" 
in you will find a bunch of pages with pictures of the DC-3 float 
conversion.  Plus a page that lists all variants of the DC-3 which 
indicates that only one C-47 was converted during the war.  That  not only 
flies in the face of Marin's research but also a vague memory I have of 
once seeing a photograph of two float equipped C-47's sitting side by side.

				Rick Grant

Rick Grant Communications
International Media and Crisis Management
Calgary - Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:53:52 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hand cranking and engine swaps

That'll work?!?! What a great idea. You're a genius Alan.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:41:58 -0400
From: "Alex Maiolo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Peace and Love

I have tried to avoid getting into the middle of this kind of stuff, but
nicely done, Bill.
I thought your Sweish Chef post was funny, albeit off-topic, and a brilliant
way to soften the tensions that have been growing as of late.
It wasn't taken that way, and I guess that's fine too, because perception is
9/10ths reality.

However, whereas most folks on this list, myself probably included, would
have gotten into a huff and taken the "ease up, pally!" approach to the
retort, you handled it like a true gentleman and ended it. I was expecting a
very public flame war.

I suppose I should have just been silently impressed, but something urged me
to publically congratulate you on your decency and understanding.

The steak knives are in the mail...

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:31 PM
Subject: LRO: Peace and Love

> Hey everyone,
> I just wanted to say publicly that my post using the dialogizer to
> convert Marin's post into Swedish Chef dialect was not at all intended as
> an attack on Marin.  I found that site and thought I'd type something in
> and convert it and post it for humor value.  Then I thought, "what if I
> take a recent wordy post and convert it?"  So, I dug through the last
> five or so messages received, and there was Marin's nice paragraph
> discussing the merits of old cars.  Viola!
> I apologize for causing any unnecessary tension (goodness knows we have
> enough necessary tension here).  And for those of you who were able to
> enjoy it w/o perceiving it as an attack, congratulations.
> If I weren't heading out the door for the evening I'd convert this very
> post into a dialect, perhaps "redneck" or "jive" and post it just to show
> how fun (and non-confrontational) this can be.
>
> bill

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:10:55 -0600
From: "Todd Ondick" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or...

LRE is pretty much allright.  lacks photo-heavy format of other LR mags but 
seems (after 3 issues) to be pretty much the same in other respects.  for 
example, it too has the odd (to me at least) feature articles on vehicles, 
telling all about how special they are and then listing that they are for 
sale w/ the owner's telephone #.  Or the advertisments disguised as articles 
about a retailer and what they have for sale this month... not bad, just a 
bit strange. Yes, there are loads of regular ads as well.  The stories and 
tech articles seem just as good as the others.  Like I said, same stuff, 
fewer pictures.  I personally prefer LROI, but I can get that at the 
newstand (read: not buy the lame i$$ue$).  Can't say the same for LRE, hence 
the subscription.  If you want radically different from what you've shunned 
in the past, this ain't it.

- -todd

>From: "Coates, Clinton" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or...
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:33:54 -0600
>
>...in search of a decent Land Rover mag.
>
>Does anyone get this newish mag?  If so, what is it like?  I stopped 
>getting
>landyporn a couple of years ago as the content-advert ratio in LRO and LRW
>was getting pretty high.  Besides, I was getting tired of reading about all
>the funky things one could do with Freelanders...
>
>Clinton

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:17:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: LR-MBZ related stuff

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Coates, Clinton wrote:

:First off, the parking brake light on my 300D started acting up last week,
:flickering on and off at random intervals sometimes when hitting bumps in
:the road etc.  I tried pulling the parking brake lever while toeing the
:pedal up to no avail.  Put it down to screwy electrics and decided to fix it
:later.  You know, probably a bad ground, loose connection with the pedal
:switch etc.  It NEVER ocurred to me that the blasted thing was doing what it
:was designed to do, telling me that the brake fluid was low in one of the
:resevoirs...  ;-)

The same light (I think, there might be a different one, but I'm not quite
sure) also tells you when the front brake pads are worn out.  There's a
little sensor in them, and when they've worn away enough, it shorts to the
rotor lighting the light.  Very cool.  I've seen it in other cars since,
but I think it's a MB invention.

Another cool MB invention involving brakes (not in your 300D, though) is a
rate sensor in the brake pedal.  Studies show that a fair number of
collisions would have been avoided if the vehicle had braked harder, sooner.
If the thingee detects that you put the brakes on hard, suddenly, it
provides max. boost from the booster, even if that pedal position wouldn't
normally get it.  

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:25:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ray Harder wrote:

:
:i am going to order 3 bottles from
:british victoria in kcmo -- that is the 
:plan.  i called all around, none locally
:no pep boys in town. 
:ray

Ray,

It may well be worth asking if one of these places can special order you a
case.  They shouldn't charge you shipping, and they should give you a
discount for buying a whole case.  Then, you won't to worry about
finding the stuff the next 4 or 5 times.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:30:28 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: UK TV series (was to Frank...)

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:51:17 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel

>With some very notable exceptions (Coronation Street), I find Britccoms and
serials much more watchable than US TV. Anyone else here like "As Time Goes By"?

I agree.  Other great ones are "Keeping Up Appearances," "Men Behaving 
Badly" (the original UK series, not the sorry US imitation), "People Like Us," 
and "Alan Partridge."  Can't really get into "Father Ted," though....
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: joe mulqueen <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 109 shocks 4 sale

Since I'm now running "Explorer" shocks with my
parabolics, I have 2 front 109 shocks (Woodhead) that
are about 1.5 years old (have receipt) and have maybe
10K miles on em.  Rust free!  Plus, I have my original
(but still very stiff!) rear shocks (also rust free).
Let me know if anyone wants them for reasonable $.
JoeM
'67 SIIA 109 SW

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:28 -0600
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

I have watched this thread with amusement and just so I'm not the only one
to not speak up here is my take.

My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid.  I have no control over modern medicine.
There I said it.  I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a
Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right
knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract.   I am not the
person that my parents made.  I am a hybrid and fiercely proud of it.  I am
the Bionic man.  In this new millennium I fear that we the non factory
hybrids will be looked on with suspicion, perhaps fear.  We will be banished
to an Island where we will live among other hybrids.  We are the children of
a new world.

Hurricane Mitch

PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:35:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: More on coil stuff

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Rick Grant wrote:

:
:Well, I really did want to get the Lucas Sports coil on after hearing about 
:its benefits and because I was convinced that the existing coil had failed.
:
:But turns out that I have the screw in type of leads and the Sports needs 
:push in.

That can be corrected by switching to a cap with push on leads.  Or you could
get a generic wire and put a screw on end at the cap end, and a push on
lead at the coil side.  Of course, since you've got your old coil working
you should be okay.  If it makes you feel better, the last time I replaced a
coil, it turned out hte problem was a failed crimp connector for one of the
coil terminals.  

- -- 
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Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:17:45 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

> I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with
> snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires.
> #4 made no difference. Points should be fine since I have an electronic
> ignition. I'm hoping for a cracked valve as I was wanting to do work on
> the head anyway, and it will be the least labor intensive.
> 

Did you swap the wires and plugs around?  Possible one of the wires went.
Pete

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:39:09 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: More on coil stuff

At 23:35 12/04/01 -0500, David Scheidt, wrote

>That can be corrected by switching to a cap with push on leads.  Or you could
>get a generic wire and put a screw on end at the cap end, and a push on
>lead at the coil side.

I didn't know that it was possible to have a dual ended lead.  Is this 
something that is commonly available or can be made up?  I don't really 
feel like spending the money to switch the cap and all of the leads.

But, after hearing the comments about the Lucas Sports coil from people 
here and reading about what the MG people have to say about it on their web 
pages I really would like to have the extra oomph.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:42:11 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: 127" turning radius compared to a 109"

"Coates, Clinton" wrote:
 
> Just curious, I know the coilers have a sharper turning radius than the
> leafers. Does anyone know firsthand how tight the 127/130 trucks are
> compared to a standard 109?

It depends on the wheel rims used on the 109, and where the stops are
set.

With 110/Series 3s rims on a 109 it has the same turning circle as a 110
(without p/s). On the other hand a 127/130 has a far larger turning
circle than a 110.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:28:19 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or...

I get the LRE reguarly and find it has a bit more varied content than
the others and the "experts" perhaps a bit
more expert. The Ad content of all the mags is higher than in most NA
4x4 mags but the quality of the printing is way ahead
John  and Muddy

"Coates, Clinton" wrote:
> 
> ...in search of a decent Land Rover mag.
> 
> Does anyone get this newish mag?  If so, what is it like?  I stopped getting
> landyporn a couple of years ago as the content-advert ratio in LRO and LRW
> was getting pretty high.  Besides, I was getting tired of reading about all
> the funky things one could do with Freelanders...
> 
> Clinton

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:39:34 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

Hurricane Mitch wrote
> 
> PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel

Sorry mate I had that bar code scanned ages ago.
John and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:40:02 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Steering Relay knock update 2

 Meanwhile, I'm now ordering a
brand new retainer ring and hopefully it will better
fit the relay.  I'm also wondering if that machined
diameter on my new relay is correct????
Joe Mulqueen
'67 SIIA 109 SW

Good - could well be the ring is buggered. As far as the relay OD?
Damnifiknow. I wouldn't think that would have changed dramatically.

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:50:00 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel

Paul...Guess he won't mind, then , eh???  ;->

> Tony Boyle(hey! I remembered one!),
>
Not quite. Its Tony Doyle. And sadly, he passed away recently.

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:55:54 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Ballykissangel

Frank, 

Will do!...any hints, tho?

Frank commented:
"Hi John,
 yes we've been watching the new series of BallyK - complete with Australian
priest who drives a Ford Granada Ghia Coupe.

I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I
won't say why until you've seen it."

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:03:02 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price?

Tom,

Last year at Billing, 200s were 2grand and I found several ...I also
inquired about the 300s, and was told they were very hard to find (unless
you were to look under some bonnets;-)) but would be in the 3grand range
(lbs, of course)...if found...high demand over there. 

JT/ric

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:06:56 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: 127" turning radius compared to a 109"

I think most of the 127-130s were exported from the UK...simply because the
country is too small for one to turn around without a shunt!
;>)

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:16:32 -0400
From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

Jim reprted:
"I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with
snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires.
#4 made no difference. "

Jim,
Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad
(swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or
fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making
assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often
learned that lesson the hard way!

JT/ric

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

Did you have to thin that stuff out?  Or just paint it on as is?  Thanks, bro

>>> [email-masked] 04/11/01 11:45PM >>>
Ron,
Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint
code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web).  The guys there are v.
nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for
me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable
foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough
for my 109.

bill

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:46 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

After that diatribe, Mitch, remind me to keep you away from my daughter,
you evil, wicked hybrid you......8*)

ROFL...

          ajr

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:22:19 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

One more thing...

Rovers North catalog page 68.  Paint codes for all LR factory colors in Dupont, PPG Deltron, Glasurit.

>>> [email-masked] 04/11/01 11:45PM >>>
Ron,
Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint
code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web).  The guys there are v.
nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for
me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable
foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough
for my 109.

bill

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:59:10 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

Also don't forget to adjust the valves.
John and Muddy

"Tackley, John" wrote:
> 
> Jim reprted:
> "I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with
> snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires.
> #4 made no difference. "
> 
> Jim,
> Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad
> (swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or
> fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making
> assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often
> learned that lesson the hard way!
> 
> JT/ric

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:04:09 -0400
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

>RON WARD wrote:
>Hey,
>
>I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel 
>green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and 
>recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that 
>had been painted the same color.

Think that would be my 88.
Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0

>  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or 
> something similar, paint color.

Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called 
"Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green 
$7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash 
of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than 
pastel green.

>Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other 
>exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?

Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans 
searching for just the right color : )

Does that make it not a LR? ; )

Picture is on this page:
http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html

Happy painting : )
Lori

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:09:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Scheidt wrote:

> :
> :i am going to order 3 bottles from
> :british victoria in kcmo -- that is the 
> :plan.  i called all around, none locally
> :no pep boys in town. 
> Ray,
> 
> It may well be worth asking if one of these places can special order you a
> case.  They shouldn't charge you shipping, and they should give you a
> discount for buying a whole case.  Then, you won't to worry about
> finding the stuff the next 4 or 5 times.
> 
> -- 
ok, my brakes weep a little, but they
don't leak that much. 

i top it off every 2-3 months and it passes
inspection...         
ray

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:39:59 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Peace and Love

Don't sweat it Bill, I knew what you meant an' I's just a south Georgia redneck...

Ron "Hillbilly Anglophile" Ward

>>> [email-masked] 04/12/01 06:31PM >>>
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to say publicly that my post using the dialogizer to
convert Marin's post into Swedish Chef dialect was not at all intended as
an attack on Marin.  I found that site and thought I'd type something in
and convert it and post it for humor value.  Then I thought, "what if I
take a recent wordy post and convert it?"  So, I dug through the last
five or so messages received, and there was Marin's nice paragraph
discussing the merits of old cars.  Viola!  
I apologize for causing any unnecessary tension (goodness knows we have
enough necessary tension here).  And for those of you who were able to
enjoy it w/o perceiving it as an attack, congratulations.
If I weren't heading out the door for the evening I'd convert this very
post into a dialect, perhaps "redneck" or "jive" and post it just to show
how fun (and non-confrontational) this can be.

bill

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:53:07 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

Excellent.  Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage....   Hmmm

Thanks

>>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 09:04AM >>>

>RON WARD wrote:
>Hey,
>
>I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel 
>green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and 
>recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that 
>had been painted the same color.

Think that would be my 88.
Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0

>  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or 
> something similar, paint color.

Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called 
"Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green 
$7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash 
of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than 
pastel green.

>Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other 
>exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?

Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans 
searching for just the right color : )

Does that make it not a LR? ; )

Picture is on this page:
http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html 

Happy painting : )
Lori

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 01 06:53:57 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time

> So if my engine started missing, and when I step on the gas it backfires
> through the carb, what is that most likely to be? Head gasket, burnt
> valve?

I'm partial to badly burnt/ slipped points.

My policy on toubleshooting problems.  Start with the easiest/cheapest to 
identify/fix then work your way to the hardest to varify and most 
expensive to fix posibility last.

Beats removing a cylinder head because of slipped points...been there, 
done that in my less experienced days.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
[email-masked]           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.shadow-catcher.net      <- Photography for sale
http://www.overlander.net          <- Web directory for Land Rover 
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   <- My personal web site

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:26:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

moss motors has only (per the man on the phone)
a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover.  it seems
to me by swagging it that the series steering
wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter.  will
leather stretch that much -- any other ideas
for another source.  should i just call back moss
and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson...

ray -- trying to head off the black hands...

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:37:30 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product....  I like it.  ;-)

"Hey!  Nice paint job.  What color is that?"

"Oh.  It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!"

Jeff

RON WARD wrote:

> Excellent.  Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage....   Hmmm
>
> Thanks
>
> >>> [email-masked] 04/13/01 09:04AM >>>
>
> >RON WARD wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel
> >green.  Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and
> >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that
> >had been painted the same color.
>
> Think that would be my 88.
> Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0
>
> >  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or
> > something similar, paint color.
>
> Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called
> "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green
> $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash
> of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than
> pastel green.
>
> >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other
> >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace?
>
> Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans
> searching for just the right color : )
>
> Does that make it not a LR? ; )
>
> Picture is on this page:
> http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html
>
> Happy painting : )
> Lori

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:10:21 -0700
From: "Rich & Lori Williams" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

Mitch,

Sounds like you spent too much time at Rocky Flats (or similar) with all
that Pu and U in your Hybrid body.  If you can calculate your approximate
load, then infer a value, with any luck you'll exceed Colonel Steve Austin,
the 6 Million Dollar Man!

Rich

- ----- Original Message -----
From: The Stockdales <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

> I have watched this thread with amusement and just so I'm not the only one
> to not speak up here is my take.
>
> My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid.  I have no control over modern
medicine.
> There I said it.  I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a
> Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right
> knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract.   I am not
the
> person that my parents made.  I am a hybrid and fiercely proud of it.  I
am
> the Bionic man.  In this new millennium I fear that we the non factory
> hybrids will be looked on with suspicion, perhaps fear.  We will be
banished
> to an Island where we will live among other hybrids.  We are the children
of
> a new world.
>
> Hurricane Mitch
>
> PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel
>
>
>
>

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