Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #335

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:11:03 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 335

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:02:12 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters)

I'd see it closer to using one of those exhaust bandage jobbies;  No "hoses"
replaced, the "pump" is the original, just a bit of between-service remedial
work to get "coolant" flow back to acceptable levels again wihout resorting
to a ful pump off and new hoses and gaskets...
Shouldn't effect the resale value too much as long as the "service book"
gets stamped up ok..
How was it back at work BTW??
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Frank Elson <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 11 April 2001 23:54
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters)

>Marin writes: .  If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a
>> baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a
>> person.  As such, their value to people-collectors will be very low,
>> and they probably won't even be allowed to enter concours events
>> for people.  Someone looking to buy a person won't even consider
>> them as an example of the type.  So while a person with a mechanical
>> or non-human heart may suit the purposes of its owner just fine, and
>> may even have better performance and reliability than a factory-
>> original person, the fact remains that it is still a hybrid based on a
>person,
>> not a real person.<<<
>
>I've just asked the beloved Marjorie and she says she has no immediate
>plans, but you've got her worried about my long term resale value now.
>BTW, do we have to tell my insurers? Like many of us on this list I am
>(was?) worth more dead than alive.
>
>Best Cheers
>
>Frank
>    +--+--+--+
>     I !__|  [_]|_\___
>     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
>     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
>
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:58:49 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps

A la "Ice cold in Alex".......???
PhilN
110 V8 SW LPG
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 12 April 2001 00:54
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps

>With the plugs out of a non-runner, and the gears in low first, you can
crank a
>Land Rover right up onto the trailer with a minimum of effort with the
cranking
>handle.
>Mark Pilkington
>
>Hope Peter wrote:
>
>> I loved having the hand crank on my S-III.  Was a convience when setting
>> points, or valves.  Never did use it to start, other then for fun for
>> friends.
>> The IIa has the crank driven Koenig, which I still have not figured out
how
>> to convert so I can hand crank.  I am thinking of making the input shaft
>> longer, drill and seal the front side of the housing.  Then a shortened
>> handle there.
>> Pete
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:57:17 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Ballykissangel

It's OK, the cult has grown around the presenter. She has her own inimitable
style anyway and has hammed it up even more for this.  I personally don't
like quiz shows or her but it has a definite following over here....
Phil
110 V8 SW LPG
- -----Original Message-----
From: Faure, Marin <[email-masked]>
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Date: 13 April 2001 02:53
Subject: LRO: Re: Ballykissangel

>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:45:24 +0100
>From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: Re: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel
>
>>I've had a personal mail in with Marin - we often discuss television off
>list - but I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I
>won't say why until you've seen it.
>
>The first show of the latest BallyK series will run on BBC America
>this Sunday.  We'll tape it and I'll let you (Frank) know what my reaction
>was after we've watched it later next week.
>
>NBC has been putting a lot of effort into hyping a game show
>from the UK called "The Weakest Link."  I haven't seen it yet
>(I think it premiers next week).  Is it as big a deal in the UK
>as NBC is claiming it is?

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:38:54 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or...

I'm saying nuthin'....

Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:34:46 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: UK car index marks (long)

A few of you have asked me questions about UK registration (index) marks in
the past.
 I posted the prefix/suffix years list a while ago and I've just got round
to collating all the index marks.
 The letters are either the only two on the plate , or, later, the last two
letters. They tell you at which area office the vehicle was first
registered.
 For instance: The first car registered at Bournmouth would have had the
number 'AA 1'  the next 'AA 2' and so on up until 'AA 999' whereupon the car
after that would have been 'AAA 1'
up until 'AAA 999' whereupon the next vehicle would have been 'BAA 1' and so
on. Later they changed around so Bournemouth would have had '1 AA' and so
on....

So if you have any UK plates, for example ABD 701A and YDF 940 owned by my
good friend George Simmons in California... (hope it's ok using these as
examples George?)
 ABD 701A was issued by the Northampton registration office (where Billing
is!) in 1963.
 YDF 940 was issued in Gloucester but I can't say the date, Obviously it was
some time before 1963.
 These days all car registrations in the UK are handled through a central
office at Swansea in Wales - although the lettering will still indicate the
area that the vehicle lives at first registration.
 There is nothing to stop a vehicle registered in Scotland (for example my
old Range Rover OSM 400M, registered at Glasgow) being sold, subsequently in
Yorkshire, which is where I bought it from.
 My current vehicle, a former Land Rover owned one, B 791 PKV, was
registered in Coventry. Land Rover seemed to use either the Coventry or
Birmingham offices at different times.
 Until the suffixes and prefixes, since 1963, there is no indication from
the registration number, of the year of registration. That would be shown on
the registration document (log book) although, if you have a number Swansea
can tell you the year it was issued.

I think I have covered everything, but if you have any other questions
please try me out on them.
 Here we go then....

AA - Bournemouth
AB - Worcester
AC - Coventry
AD - Gloucester
AE - Bristol
AF - Truro
AG - Hull
AH - Norwich
AJ - Middlesborough
AK - Sheffield
AL - Nottingham
AM - Swindon
AN - Reading
AO - Carlisle
AP - Brighton
AR - Chelmsford
AS - Inverness
AT - Hull
AU - Nottingham
AV - Peterborough
AW - Shrewsbury
AX - Cardiff
AY - Leicester

BA - Manchester
BB - Newcastle upon Tyne
BC - Leicester
BD - Northampton
BE - Lincoln
BF - Stoke-on-Trent
BG - Liverpool
BH - Luton
BJ - Ipswich
BK - Portsmouth
BL - Reading
BM - Luton
BN - Manchester
BO - Cardiff
BP - Portsmouth
BR - Newcastle upon Tyne
BS - Inverness
BT - Leeds
BU - Manchester
BV - Preston
BW - Oxford
BX - Haverfordwest
BY - London NW

CA - Chester
CB - Manchester
CC - Bangor
CD - Brighton
CE - Peterborough
CF - Reading
CG - Bournemouth
CH - Nottingham
CJ - Gloucester
CK - Preston
CL - Norwich
CM - Liverpool
CN - Newcastle upon Tyne
CO - Exeter
CP - Huddersfield
CR - Portsmouth
CS - Glasgow
CT - Lincoln
CU - Newcastle upon Tyne
CV - Truro
CW - Preston
CX - Huddersfield
CY - Swansea

DA - Birmingham
DB - Manchester
DC - Middlesborough
DD - Gloucester
DE - Haverfordwest
DF - Gloucester
DG - Gloucester
DH - Dudley
DJ - Liverpool
DK - Manchester
DL - Portsmouth
DM - Chester
DN - Leeds
DO - Lincoln
DP - Reading
DR - Exeter
DS - Glasgow
DT - Sheffield
DU - Coventry
DV - Exeter
DW - Cardiff
DX - Ipswich
DY - Brighton

EA - Dudley
EB - Peterborough
EC - Preston
ED - Liverpool
EE - Lincoln
EF - Middlesborough
EG - Peterborough
EH - Stoke-on-Trent
EJ - Haverfordwest
EK - Liverpool
EL - Bournemouth
EM - Liverpool
EN - Manchester
EO - Preston
EP - Swansea
ER - Peterborough
ES - Dundee
ET - Sheffield
EU - Bristol
EV - Chelmsford
EW - Peterborough
EX - Norwich
EY - Bangor

FA - Stoke-on-Trent
FB - Bristol
FC - Oxford
FD - Dudley
FE - Lincoln
FF - Bangor
FG - Brighton
FH - Gloucester
FJ - Exeter
FK - Dudley
FL - Peterborough
FM - Chester
FN - Maidstone
FO - Gloucester
FP - Leicester
FR - Preston
FS - Edinburgh
FT - Newcastle upon Tyne
FU - Lincoln
FV - Preston
FW - Lincoln
FX - Bournemouth
FY - Liverpool

GA - Glasgow
GB - Glasgow
GC - London SW
GD - Glasgow
GE - Glasgow
GE - Glasgow
GF - London SW
GG - Glasgow
GH - London SW
GJ - London SW
GK - London SW
GL - Truro
GM - Reading
GN - London SW
GN - London SW
GO - London SW
GP - London SW
GR - Newcastle upon Tyne
GS - Luton
GT - London SW
GU - London SW
GU - London SE
GV - Ipswich
GW - London SE
GX - London SE
GY - London SE

HA - Dudley
HB - Cardiff
HC - Brighton
HD - Huddersfield
HE - Sheffield
HF - Liverpool
HG - Preston
HH - Carlisle
HJ - Chelmsford
HK - Chelmsford
HL - Sheffield
HM - London Central
HN - Middlesborough
HO - Bournemouth
HP - Coventry
HR - Swindon
HS - Glasgow
HT - Bristol
HU - Bristol
HV - London Central
HW - Bristol
HX - London Central
HY - Bristol

JA - Manchester
JB - Reading
JC - Bangor
JD - London Central
JE - Peterborough
JF - Leicester
JG - Maidstone
JK - Brighton
JL - Lincoln
JM - Reading
JN - Chelmsford
JO - Oxford
JP - Liverpool
JR - Newcastle upon Tyne
JS - Inverness
JT - Bournemouth
JU - Leicester
JV - Lincoln
JW - Birmingham
JX - Huddersfield
JY - Exeter

KA - Liverpool
KB - Liverpool
KC - Liverpool
KD - Liverpool
KE - Maidstone
KF - Liverpool
KG - Cardiff
KH - Hull
KJ - Maidstone
KK - Maidstone
KL - Maidstone
KM - Maidstone
KN - Maidstone
KO - Maidstone
KP - Maidstone
KR - Maidstone
KS - Edinburgh
KT - Maidstone
KU - Sheffield
KV - Coventry
KW - Sheffield
KX - Luton
KY - Sheffield

LA - London NW
LB - London NW
LC - London NW
LD - London NW
LE - London NW
LF - London NW
LG - Chester
LH - London NW
LJ - Bournemouth
LK - London NW
LL - London NW
LM - London NW
LN - London NW
LO - London NW
LP - London NW
LR - London NW
LS - Edinburgh
LT - London NW
LU - London NW
LV - Liverpool
LW - London NW
LX - London NW
LY - London NW

MA - Chester
MB - Chester
MC - London NE
MD - London NE
ME - London NE
MF - London NE
MG - London NE
MH - London NE
MJ - Luton
MK - London NE
ML - London NE
MM - London NE
MN - (not used)
MO - Reading
MP - London NE
MR - Swindon
MS - Edinburgh
MT - London NE
MU - London NE
MV - London NE
MW - Swindon
MX - London SE
MY - London SE

NA - Manchester
NB - Manchester
NC - Manchester
ND - Manchester
NE - Manchester
NF - Manchester
NG - Norwich
NH - Northampton
NJ - Brighton
NK - Luton
NL - Newcastle upon Tyne
NM - Luton
NN - Nottingham
NO - Chelmsford
NP - Worcester
NR - Leicester
NS - Glasgow
NT - Shrewsbury
NU - Nottingham
NV - Northampton
NW - Leeds
NX - Dudley
NY - Cardiff

OA - Birmingham
OB - Birmingham
OC - Birmingham
OD - Exeter
OE - Birmingham
OF - Birmingham
OG - Birmingham
OH - Birmingham
OJ - Birmingham
OK - Birmingham
OL - Birmingham
OM - Birmingham
ON - Birmingham
OO - Chelmsford
OP - Birmingham
OR - Portsmouth
OS - Glasgow
OT - Portsmouth
OU - Bristol
OV - Birmingham
OW - Portsmouth
OX - Birmingham
OY - London NW

PA - Guildford
PB - Guildford
PC - Guildford
PD - Guildford
PE - Guildford
PF - Guildford
PG - Guildford
PH - Guildford
PJ - Guildford
PK - Guildford
PL - Guildford
PM - Guildford
PN - Brighton
PO - Portsmouth
PP - Luton
PR - Bournemouth
PS - Aberdeen
PT - Newcastle upon Tyne
PU - Chelmsford
PV - Ipswich
PW - Norwich
PX - Portsmouth
PY - Middlesborough

RA - Nottingham
RB - Nottingham
RC - Nottingham
RD - Reading
RE - Stoke-on-Trent
RF - Stoke-on-Trent
RG - Newcastle upon Tyne
RH - Hull
RJ - Manchester
RK - London NW
RL - Truro
RM - Carlisle
RN - Preston
RO - Luton
RP - Northampton
RR - Nottingham
RS - Aberdeen
RT - Ipswich
RU - Bournemouth
RV - Portsmouth
RW - Coventry
RX - Reading
RY - Leicester

SA - Aberdeen
SB - Glasgow
SC - Edinburgh
SCY - Truro (Isles of Scilly)
SD - Glasgow
SE - Aberdeen
SF - Edinburgh
SG - Edinburgh
SH - Edinburgh
SJ - Glasgow
SK - Inverness
SL - Dundee
SM - Glasgow
SN - Dundee
SO - Aberdeen
SP - Dundee
SR - Dundee
SS - Aberdeen
ST - Inverness
SU - Glasgow
SV - (spare)
SW - Glasgow
SX - Edinburgh
SY - (spare)

TA - Exeter
TB - Liverpool
TC - Bristol
TD - Manchester
TE - Manchester
TF - Reading
TG - Cardiff
TH - Swansea
TJ - Liverpool
TK - Exeter
TL - Lincoln
TM - Luton
TN - Newcastle upon Tyne
TO - Nottingham
TP - Portsmouth
TR - Portsmouth
TS - Dundee
TT - Exeter
TU - Chester
TV - Nottingham
TW - Chelmsford
TX - Cardiff
TY - Newcastle upon Tyne

UA - Leeds
UB - Leeds
UC - London Central
UD - Oxford
UE - Dudley
UF - Brighton
UG - Leeds
UH - Cardiff
UJ - Shrewsbury
UK - Birmingham
UL - London Central
UM - Leeds
UN - Exeter
UO - Exeter
UP - Newcastle upon Tyne
UR - Luton
US - Glasgow
UT - Leicester
UU - London Central
UV - London Central
UW - London Central
UX - Shrewsbury
UY - Worcester

VA - Peterborough
VB - Maidstone
VC - Coventry
VD (series withdrawn)
VE - Peterborough
VF - Norwich
VG - Norwich
VH - Huddersfield
VJ - Gloucester
VK - Newcastle upon Tyne
VL - Lincoln
VM - Manchester
VN - Middlesborough
VO - Nottingham
VP - Birmingham
VR - Manchester
VS - Luton
VT - Stoke on Trent
VU - Manchester
VV - Northampton
VW - Chelmsford
VX - Chelmsford
VY - Leeds

WA - Sheffield
WB - Sheffield
WC - Chelmsford
WD - Dudley
WE - Sheffield
WF - Sheffield
WG - Sheffield
WH - Manchester
WJ - Sheffield
WK - Coventry
WL - Oxford
WM - Liverpool
WN - Swansea
WO - Cardiff
WP - Worcester
WR - Leeds
WS - Bristol
WT - Leeds
WU - Leeds
WV - Brighton
WW - Leeds
WX - Leeds
WY - Leeds

YA - Taunton
YB - Taunton
YC - Taunton
YD - Taunton
YE - London Central
YF - London Central
YG - Leeds
YH - London Central
YJ - Brighton
YK - London Central
YL - London Central
YM - London Central
YN - London Central
YO - London Central
YP - London Central
YR - London Central
YS - Glasgow
YT - London Central
YU - London Central
YV - London Central
YW - London Central
YX - London Central
YY - London Central

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:18:41 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Bionics

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:28 -0600
From: "The Stockdales" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics

>My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid....In this new millennium 
I fear that we the non factoryhybrids will be looked on with 
suspicion, perhaps fear.  We will be banishedto an Island where 
we will live among other hybrids.  We are the children of
a new world.

I don't think you'll be banished. But as a hybrid you won't be 
allowed to compete in any of the "Human" categories at the 
Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance or whatever they call it.  
Like a Bugatti with a Corvette engine, you will be allowed no 
farther than the parking lot, where you can only peer 
through the fence at the stock humans as they parade their 
stuff in front of the judges.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:19:48 -0400
From: Stephen West-Fisher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> And figuring out I don't have any
> timing marks! (unless they're way off on the flywheel.)
> 
> Replacement flywheel, maybe?

When I bought my II, someone had replaced the flywheel and clutch
assembly with the IIa 9.5" stuff, leaving no timing marks. I just put
some fingernail polish (I'm the token male at home) on the pully and the
case for TDC and experimented until I found a good setting. The clutch
didn't last long, so I found a proper 9" flywheel and changed back to
the 9" clutch.

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:27:30 -0700
From: "Hoult, Bryan" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic....

Like many things here in God's country, traffic habits have been
Kalifornicated  (The rest of my family, save my father, are California
natives - so my grudge doesn't run too deep.  At least they had the sense to
bring me into the world after they moved to WA).  I just refuse to lower
myself to the general standards, and as such have turned into a rolling road
block by default.  Everyone is in such damned hurry to get everywhere that I
find myself wondering how they feel when they get there.  "You mean I almost
killed a nice gentleman in a classic Land Rover to get to a job I hate?"   I
guess I need to move out where my aimless meandering ways won't be offensive
to those who go as fast as they can between stop lights and traffic jams.

Be careful out there.

Bryan
62 88
70 109 "Genie"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:57 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic....

Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in
California.  In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane
roads
when you are the only car for miles.  It is natural and instinctive and
taught
in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones)
NO-ONE uses them here.  There was a news program on it and motorists were
stopped and asked why they did not use them.  The answer was that "if you
use
them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so
they can cut you off"!!!!!!  If you do not use it and just barge out into
the
traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way.  That however
assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!!    What I
have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is
needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway.
Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!?
Mark Pilkington

"A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote:

> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
> >for a very good reason!
>
> Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.  Had to drive from
> SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral.  Apparently, the rental car was one
> of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of
> optional equipment:
>
> a turn signal
>
> I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by
> actually *using* it...
>
> Cheers
>
>   *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
>   |                                                   |
>   |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
>   |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
>   |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
>   |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
>   |                 www.roav.org                      |
>   |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        |
>   *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:29:56 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different 
animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better
input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals
and a much larger case. I believe the synchro is a rover piece.
Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> 
> Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on the
> Faerey.  The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct me if
> I'm wrong).  From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with the
> internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to work
> with.  So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey.  It was
> primarily the case that differed.  It was larger and allowed more room for
> oil.  Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler running
> and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the more
> robust reputation of the Santana.  All the above is what I gleaned from the
> net so could be wrong.
> 
> Your information is a little dated, Alex.  TI Console sold the last of the
> Santana's at least a year ago.  The only new O/Ds that are on the market,
> now, are RDS's Faerey units.  I believe it was the Santanas that actually
> lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory.  The
> Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for the
> new Faereys.  From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare parts
> available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL.  At least with
> the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep the
> Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:40:01 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers...

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Tennis racquet handle wrappings.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Tennis racquet handle wrappings.
<BR>
<BR>Paul Donohue
<BR>1965 Land Rover 109
<BR>Denver</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:46:34 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: People's Republic...

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Sandy wrote: <<I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state 
driver by actually *using* it...[a turn signal].>>

Never let the enemy know your intentions.
Sun Tsu 

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Sandy wrote: &lt;&lt;I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state 
<BR>driver by actually *using* it...[a turn signal].&gt;&gt;
<BR>
<BR>Never let the enemy know your intentions.
<BR>Sun Tsu 
<BR>
<BR>Paul Donohue
<BR>1965 Land Rover 109
<BR>Denver</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:44:56 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix

Idiot question.  The service book has 35D8 as the dizzy reference number for
my 110's points-powered V8, which is in classic-garage but under Rover not
Landrover.  No problem so far except that their diag of the vacuum advance
is opposite to all the V8 dizzys in the LR service guide.  Anyone fitted one
of these that can help me out?  Don't want to spend money and ship from the
colonies on a tea-clipper to find it's the wrong one.....
Ta muchly...
Phil
Series IV V8 SW LPG
( does that fit in with the list more?)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lori Sickley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 11 April 2001 00:18
Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix

>Might find your answer from:
>http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/parts-pertronix-ignitors-land-ro
ver.html
>
>or
>http://www.pertronix.com/ignitor.htm
>1 800-827-3758
>Sorry, it's California : )
>
>Lori
>
>
>>does a pertronix fit a militairy 24 v (actualy 12v) distibutors??
>>
>>gr JOS
>>Jos de Vries
>>Delft, Holland
>>Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71
>>Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG
>>
>>
>> >
>> > OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back
when
>> > instead of the Crane.  Sigh.  So, how long does it take to install. Two
>> > minutes?  Five?
>> >
>> >
>> > Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine
>> > warm up well to time it properly...
>> >
>> >                               ajr
>> >
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 13001 15:22:08 -0700
From: "Lonn Howard" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Hybridized

> Yow....you must have a lot of fun going though aiprort security.... ;-)
>
> I guess they were somewhat on edge...the woman who went though immediately
> before me had half a dozen visible piercings (ears, nose, lip...)  The
> hand-held detector 'found' quite a few others...

It surprises me that the metal detectors in the airport would notice her
jewelry.  Most body jewelry is 316L or 316LVM implant grade surgical steel.
I've flown many, many miles, nationally and internationally and never once
did a metal detector even hiccup at my jewelry.  And I wear 2ga in some
piercings.  I think it has something to do with ferrous and non-ferrous
metals.

Lonn

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:02:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Stephen West-Fisher wrote:

:Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
:> 
:> And figuring out I don't have any
:> timing marks! (unless they're way off on the flywheel.)
:> 
:> Replacement flywheel, maybe?
:
:When I bought my II, someone had replaced the flywheel and clutch
:assembly with the IIa 9.5" stuff, leaving no timing marks. I just put
:some fingernail polish (I'm the token male at home) on the pully and the
:case for TDC and experimented until I found a good setting. The clutch
:didn't last long, so I found a proper 9" flywheel and changed back to
:the 9" clutch.

Timing marks are for the weak.  I was just worried that the timing was
changed enough that it wouldn't start.  It did, and I just timed by ear, in
my usual fashion.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:14:18 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Leather steering wheel covers

I put a black leather cover on my SIII wheel back in the mid-'70s. 
It's the kind that has little holes in it for "breathability," and 
you stitch it up with a long leather lace.  That thing was 
on there for over 20 years.  Last year I happened to notice 
a tiny ad in LROI that a company in the UK had a limited number of 
brand new, still-in-the-box, Series III steering wheels.  I 
called them and they had one left.  So I bought it 
and retired my original wheel. But I still have it and 
the leather cover is almost in as good shape as it was when 
I installed it.  I don't remember the brand or manufacturer, 
but I bought it an auto parts store in Honolulu, and it was 
just a standard wheel cover, nothing fancy.  I have not put a cover 
on my new wheel as it has a textured surface as opposed to the 
glass-smooth finish that was on the original wheel, and I like the 
feel of the new wheel much better.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:18:21 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Tropical Top

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Does anyone know of a source for trop tops for an 88".

Things are starting to really heat up here in Florida and the time has come 
to take drastic measures.

Larry
73 88"

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:20:51 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

yes but can you get rebuild bits for the santana?

rich

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hall <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

> No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different
> animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better
> input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals
> and a much larger case. I believe the synchro is a rover piece.
> Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> >
> > Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on
the
> > Faerey.  The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct
me if
> > I'm wrong).  From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with
the
> > internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to
work
> > with.  So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey.  It
was
> > primarily the case that differed.  It was larger and allowed more room
for
> > oil.  Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler
running
> > and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the
more
> > robust reputation of the Santana.  All the above is what I gleaned from
the
> > net so could be wrong.
> >
> > Your information is a little dated, Alex.  TI Console sold the last of
the
> > Santana's at least a year ago.  The only new O/Ds that are on the
market,
> > now, are RDS's Faerey units.  I believe it was the Santanas that
actually
> > lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory.  The
> > Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for
the
> > new Faereys.  From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare
parts
> > available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL.  At least
with
> > the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep
the
> > Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime.
>
> --
> Jim Hall
> 1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
> with Jim." Mitch Stockdale
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:21:27 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

Compression on #4=0. Off with her head!!!!

Tackley, John wrote:
> Jim,
> Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad
> (swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or
> fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making
> assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often
> learned that lesson the hard way!
> 
> JT/ric

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:40:02 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: tanks alot

"A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote:

> 
> >But on a stock Series,
> >at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly
  It appears that the two were adhered with some kind of
> asphalt (!) sealant or somesuch.  

The two pieces were in fact soldered together until well into series 3
production, When the stamped tank was used a welded plate/bracket was
used.
John and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:43:06 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

> The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just
all
> around better than the Fairey.
> I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last
> summer.
>
> Alex Maiolo

1200?  From where?  I had been informed that the Toro was NLA, which is the
only reason I am considering paying 950 for a used one.
Pete

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:55:17 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Overdrives

> No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different
> animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better
> input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals
> and a much larger case.

Hmmm, I was told that the Santana OD is a Toro OD.  One in the same.  I know
that the two look the same externally.
Pete

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:19:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Rowe" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price?

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:45:51 -1000, Hope Peter wrote:

>There was someone on the mainland US that ran an add recently in the LRX.  I
>believe they were asking somewhere in the 8-10k range.
>Pete
>

Probably RN, but's it's a kit for defender including a new manual tranny.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
        in places even more inaccessible

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:23:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Obscure part needed 8 little rubber bump

	I just picked up my seat bases for the middle row of seats in my 109 SW   
from the powder coater and they look great.

	These bases fold forward independent of each other.  In readying them   
for the powder coater I removed these little bumper things, and several   
of them were worn through.  Each one is a pad about one inch diameter and   
an eighth inch  thick. At the backside of the pad, there is a cone shaped   
point, with a ridge at the base of the pad, forming a barb  the barb is   
7/16 or so wide and the narrow neck of the barb is probably about 3/8ths.   
 When the rubber barb is pushed through a hole in teh seat base, it locks   
in place holding the pad in position, eliminating a metal on metal   
contact where the two outermost seats rest on the frame of the middle   
seat.  I spent a good part of lunch calling around for a source for   
these.  If anyone sees something that sounds like this over the weekend,   
please contact me off list as I'd like to have them, or something similar   
to protect my powdercoated investment.  Otherwise I'll just glue on some   
3/16th rubber washers.

Simon (yes I know its obscure) Harding

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:00:36 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives

If they looked the same externally, then they were the same. I have a
Toro, and I have seen a Santana, and they look nothing alike.
These are pics of part of a Santana. The top plate is much longer and
has 6 bolts. You will also notice that the bottom is flat and has a 
plate bolted on.
http://www.d-90.com/trail/dt99/overdrive/05.html
http://www.d-90.com/trail/dt99/overdrive/06.html
Pictures of my Toro are here:
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/cowley/62/overdrive.htm

Hope Peter wrote:

> Hmmm, I was told that the Santana OD is a Toro OD.  One in the same.  I know
> that the two look the same externally.
> Pete

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:03:01 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time

Well, the problem turned out to be the ever popular #4 exhaust valve.
It is missing a piece. Guess it's time for a head rebuild.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:04:07 -0400
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: VERY nice Ex-MOD 88" looking for new home

Hello all,

    Forgive me this indulgence but I am trying to help someone sell a nice
SII (or is it a IIa) Ex-MOD 88.  The vehicle has had a fair amount of
restoration work done.

Let me tell you what I know:

Vehicle is located in N. Florida.
Vehicle has NEVER been titled or registered in the US.
Odometer shows about 55k miles (about 52 since restoration).
Vehicle is a deep blue color right now.
Has had the seats redone nicely and rails moved back to accommodate larger
drivers.
Has hardtop with pop-up sunroof.
Has original unmolested engine.
Has a bit of rust showing on one of the front outriggers.
Rusty rear cross member has been replaced.
Bulkhead has been replaced.
Vehicle runs VERY nicely and shifts nicely.
Vehicle has good tires and can be driven away.
Has pintle hitch on the front bumper.
Vehicle does NOT have a perfect body, but IS very nice.

     Owner bought and restored the vehicle for his 16 year old son 4 years
ago.  The boy couldn't handle the rover (too much shifting, steering, etc)
and so the vehicle has been sitting for 4 years only being started
occasionally.  I started it today and on full choke, it came to life on the
first turn of the key and settled right into a perfect idle.

     I promised this gentleman I would do all I could to put this nice truck
in the hands of an enthusiast.  God's honest truth is that if I had the
money I would have bought it on the spot.  It really is nice.  So if you are
looking or know someone who is, please contact me privately via E-Mail.

     I will have pictures available early next week showing all four sides
of the truck, the top, and the interior rear and drivers compartment.

Owner is asking a VERY fair price.

- -Perrone

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:06:13 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news...

I don't know. But you probably wouldn't need one for a long time.

Rich Williams II wrote:
> 
> yes but can you get rebuild bits for the santana?
> 
> rich

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:07:57 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Tropical Top

Get a soft top!!! They are much nicer for heat.

[email-masked] wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source for trop tops for an 88".
>Things are starting to really heat up here in Florida and the time has >come 
>to take drastic measures.

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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