Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #330

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:43 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 330

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:19:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote:

:Ethylene and propylene glycol are both toxic.  The problem with ethylene 
:glycol is it tastes sweet so is an attractant for little critters.  They 
:think its sugar water and lap it up, much to the discomfort of their 
:innards.  Propylene glycol is not tasty so even though its toxic it doesn't 
:encourage the critters to lap it up.

The MSDS says of Propylene glycol:
Inhalation: 
No adverse health effects via inhalation. 

Ingestion: 
Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may
cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system
depression.  Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney
problems.

Skin Contact: 
Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact. 

Eye Contact: 
May cause transitory stinging and tearing. 

Chronic Exposure: 
Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following
chronic ingestion.

Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: 
Kidney disorders. 

LD50 in both rats and rabbits is ~20g/Kg.

The FDA calls propylene glycol "generally recognized as safe".  That means
it can be used as a food additive.  It's used to absorb water in some
cosmetics, medicines, as an oil substitute, and as a solvent.  

The other things that are in propylene glycol anti-freezes are not as
non-toxic.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:23:01 -0400
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of [email-masked]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:49 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant
>
>

As I stated last night.. I didn't mean the SAAB stuff was generic
anti-freeze, I only meant that I didn't think it was exactly unique.  As for
the different anti-freeze solutions not protecting brass radiators, that
came directly from the literature on Dexcool.  The warnings it gives about
it not containing certain ingredients to protect some types of radiators
(Brass).  In other words, be sure your radiator AND engine are aluminum!

I've never tried the voltmeter test, but may try it on a slow day...

- -P

> Not quite true.  Silicates Borates and Phosphates are common additives.
> They all settle out and can block cooling passages.  That is one reason
> for the for the coolant change.  Any coolant containing also has a shelf
> like.  When was the last time you saw a "sell by" date on a jug of
> antifreeze?  How long was that cheep antifreeze on the shelf?  How long
> before it settles or gels?  Silicates also bond to the ceramic seal and
> increase ware a few hundred percent.
> As for protecting aluminum and not protecting brass,please point me to
> your references
>
> Propylene Glycol is a food additive.  The standard stuff is Ethylene
> Glycol.
>
> For a quick check of corrosion resistance of your antifreeze try sticking
> the probes of a high impedance volt meter, one in the coolant not
> touching anything else and one on the engine block, you might be
> surprised at the potential.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:54:31 -0400
From: "Robert McCullough" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time

i'm with you on this teri ann, sounds to me that its the points

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:02:51 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks

> PETA 'world citizens' (from guess
> which state, in guess which country)
>
> Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
> for a very good reason!
Actually I believe PETA headquarters is still on the waterfront in downtown
Norfolk, VA.
Pete

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:39 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Coil Equivalent #

I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay 
attention.  Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or 
something else?

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:26:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent #

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Rick Grant wrote:

:
:I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay 
:attention.  Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or 
:something else?
:

On April 02, 2001, I wrote:

>The OVLR alternate parts list lists it as a lucas HA 12.  If they can't get
>a cross for that, tell 'em you've got an MGB.

I'm pretty sure it's a normalish 12V internally ballasted coil.  Whether
that means anything to an auto parts drone is another problem....

David
- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:11:16 -0400
From: "Matt Kohr" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent #

I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy.  He
let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you
that i was thoroughly impressed.  The coil is a code IC64 (which he had in
stock), there were also parts for the starter, stop light switch,
distributor, tune up parts, all kinds of stuff just for Land rover, and
sorted by year and model (including ser 1.) If your interested, look under
Rover in the book and they should have a whole list of stuff.
   Hope this helps.

   Matt Kohr
 1961 Ser IIA SWB SW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Grant" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:10 PM
Subject: LRO: Coil Equivalent #

>
> I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay
> attention.  Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or
> something else?
>
>
>
>                                              Rick Grant
>
>     1959 Series II   "88"
>   VORIZO
>
>
>
> Rick Grant Communications
> Media and Crisis Management
> Calgary Ottawa
> www.rickgrant.com
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:17:31 -0700
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Why do we own Land Rovers?

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:39:53 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Why do we own Land Rovers?

>It must be the memories that makes me
like them. I look at a Freelander or a Defender and see nothing.  They are
good machines, but the character has gone.

I wonder if you can say that about almost every "new" vehicle, however.  
The Freelander has certainly been a success in terms of sales, and I 
guess you could consider the Defender a success, too.  When I bought 
my SIII in 1973, I didn't buy it for memories or character, as it was a 
brand new vehicle.  It, along with the Toyota FJ40, the Jeep CJ, 
and the Bronco represented the state of the art in civilian 4wds.  Twenty-
eight years later, you can certainly talk about memories and character, 
but I don't recall thinking about that when I bought it.  I wonder if, 
twenty-eight years from now, people will be saying the same thing about 
a 2001 Freelander?  The current crop of SUVs don't have any character to me, 
either, but a lot of people are queuing up to buy them.  It would be interesting 
to know what THEY see in the new vehicles.

>Range Rovers reach far enough back to still be associated with Home and my
misspent youth. 

The classic Range Rover, 2 or 4 doors, is a great design for its intended purpose.  
We debated buying a new one a couple of years ago, but neither I nor my wife 
wanted to give up the design of our '91 for the "Explorer" shape of the current model, 
even though the current model puts ours to shame in the technology department.  We 
bought our Range Rover because we needed a 4-door vehicle and we wanted something 
with full-time 4wd.  There were other choices, but I'd had good luck with my Series III and 
I've always liked the look of the Range Rover (classic).  I could see that the Range Rover 
actually had a lot in common in its design philosophy with the Land Rover, 
so it would be a vehicle I would be somewhat familiar with from the outset when it came 
to maintaining it.  But it would be interesting to know what it is about the new Land Rover models 
that makes people shell out the substantial amounts of money it takes to buy them.  
What do they see in the new vehicles that so many of us seem not to?
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:43 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent #

At 22:11 11/04/01 -0400, Matt Kohr, wrote
>I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy.  He
>let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you
>that i was thoroughly impressed.  The coil is a code IC64

That's good to know.  Armed with that and the Lucas number that David 
mentioned was on the OVLR site I should be up and running before noon tomorrow.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:45:36 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

Ron,
Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint
code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web).  The guys there are v.
nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for
me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable
foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough
for my 109.

bill

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:10:35 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Marin, the Swedish Chef

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http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/   I pasted Marin's latest post re. new
vehicles in and selected "swedish chef."  

For anyone who has no clue who he is, the Swedish Chef is a Sesame Street
(old US children's TV show) character and this is how he talks.

Here's the masterpiece:

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a sooccess in terms ooff seles, und I gooess yuoo cuoold cunseeder zee
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it fur memureees oor cherecter, es it ves a brund noo feheecle-a. It,
elung veet zee Tuyuta FJ40, zee Jeep CJ, und zee Bruncu represented zee
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:29:43 -0500
From: "oldhaven" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: DC-3 

> At one time the DC-3 in question was based in Maine, but I couldn't 
> say for sure that's where it is now.  It was created several years 
> ago by mating the only remaining set 
> of C-47 amphibious floats made by EDO during WWII to a 
> civilian DC-3, which is for all practical purposes identical to 
> a C-47.  The idea was to create a unique airplane that could be 
> taken to airshows around the country, thus paying the cost 
> of the initial project and operating expenses.  From talking 
> to folks I know in the seaplane business, this concept hasn't 
> really panned out very well.  The last I heard, the airplane was for sale,
> although finding someone with the money to buy and operate such a beast
> won't be easy.

Well I haven't seen it since I was up at my camp last summer, but last time I 
looked, (from about 3 feet away from the amphibious EDO's on the ramp) it was 
still in Greenville.  It's about as impressive thing as you will ever see, sort of 
Spruce Goose silly.  The Titanic, Empire State Building, same thing.  Somebody 
had a great idea and found someone to pay for it.  Being a design engineer I am 
very impressed with anything someone drew by hand and made work.  Things 
are much easier now.

Ron

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:34:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent #

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Matt Kohr wrote:

:I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy.  He
:let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you
:that i was thoroughly impressed.  The coil is a code IC64 (which he had in
:stock), there were also parts for the starter, stop light switch,
:distributor, tune up parts, all kinds of stuff just for Land rover, and
:sorted by year and model (including ser 1.) If your interested, look under
:Rover in the book and they should have a whole list of stuff.

Heh.  Most of the time they won't have Rover listed.  Don't lose this place.

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:35 -0700
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps

Compression is the bane of hand-cranking.  I would have really liked
to retain the ability to hand-crank my 109 after the conversion, but
the reality is that it would take two strong men and a boy to crank my
10.25:1 compression V8.  (can you say "Fill 'er up with Premium"?)
You gain some things, and lose others when you change engines.

Sadly, one of the things I gave up with my engine swap was the smell
of the Land Rover.  I remember the first time I sat in it... it
smelled so... military.  It had the smell of oiled canvas and
cosmoline and something you can't define.  My dad said it reminded him
of the smell of a WWII tank when he first smelled it.  It reminded me
of the smell of a submarine.  It smelled like it was serious.

Anyway!!!!   Enough lamenting the loss of some old stink!  My
notta-Rover rocks!

What was the question?

Never mind...............

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:55:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, William J. Rice wrote:

:Ron,
:Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint
:code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web).  The guys there are v.
:nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for
:me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable
:foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough
:for my 109.

The paint codes are in the LR FAQ at
http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.paint.3.html

If you tell the paint people you're going to put the paint on with a brush,
they'll probably laugh at you.  Do it anyway, not just because you should be
used to getting laughed at by people in parts stores, but because they can
do things that will improve your painting.  

David 
- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:54:05 -0700
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters...

>From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]
> well now, there's me and Trevor Easton, and probably others, who
have bits
> of metal inside there that our mummies and daddies never made for
us...

Funny... all my bits of extraneous metal parts hang on the outside
appendages of my body...

It's an occupational hazard... Body Piercing.  I've been at it for
seven years now.  It chagrins my parents to have contributed to my
formal education as an electrical engineer only to have me poking
holes in people for a living.

Lonn  o-----------o

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:11:28 -0600
From: "Todd Ondick" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Galvanizing Bulkheads

A few years back I had a conversation w/ Seth of British Bulldog infamy.  It 
was over the fitting of a heater plug in the block of my 2.25l in 
preparation for our first winter.  He says "why do you want to do that when 
you can just cut the lower rad. hose and put in an in-line heater from 
NAPA?"  "'cause it's not as 
bulletproof-efficient-neato-complicated-trick-functional-whatnotandsoforth", 
says I.  Hey says, "you know, all you series guys are the same."  "excuse 
me?" "freakin' masochists, every one", he says. "excuse me?"  "You guys, for 
some reason, make everything as complicated for yourselves as you possibly 
can.  The more difficult and convoluted the better... 'This neat gadget, I 
should galvanize this, why don't I just weld that', masochists." "guilty" 
said I and I still am.

By saying don't do it, I'm just looking out for my fellow masochists.  Of 
course people will still go and dip their bulkheads... I just want them to 
know that it doesn't always turn out perfect.
Oh, and yes, you were lucky.

cheers,
- -todd

BTW- after 8 hours of trying to remove that butterfly-holed little bastard 
on the side of my engine block I took the man's advice.  don't even ask how 
long I've been grinding away at zinc.

>From: "Tackley, John" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "[email-masked]'" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: LRO: RE: Galvanizing Bulkheads
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:26:20 -0400
>
>Todd commented:
>
>"Don't do it!"
>
>
>Gosh, Todd, guess I was very lucky when I did my bulkhead.
>I used Industrial Galvanizing in Petersburg, Va, who claim to be the 
>largest
>facility in the east, and I believe their claim.  Their principal business
>seemed to be dipping those huge high voltage transmission towers, (some of
>which are so large at the base that I could walk inside of them!).
>They did cause some repairable damage by dropping another large item (one 
>of
>those tower sections)into the vat on top of my BH, and they completely lost
>some small items(which they gladly paid RN prices to replace), but with a
>zinc vat 90' long(filled with zinc heated to 450 degrees F), that was
>understandable.  They ground off resulting and inevitable slag and drips as
>part of their QC process.  One of my new gas tanks also came back with a
>fist sized lump of zinc inside...they re-dipped several times trying to 
>melt
>and remove it to no avail.  I'll have to plasma-cut & weld-shut a hole to
>get it out...(but let me tell you, that tank has so much zinc coating it
>that it will probably 'never' rust!).  They did not charge me for that 
>tank.
>They were fair, responsible and did what they could to accomodate my 
>unusual
>needs (said they had never been asked to dip a vehicle frame, for instance,
>but they took time to examine it carefully for proper zinc access and
>drainage holes to interior surfaces and decided the best orientation for
>dipping it.  The frame was  literally a thing of beauty when I picked it 
>up.
>So experiences vary...
>
>Ahhh well, opinions...like armpits and navels, everybody has one.  Take 
>them
>for what they're worth...
>
>JT/ric
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:54:43 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
 
> PETA 'world citizens' (from guess
> which state, in guess which country)

I didn't say a thing, but since you raise the subject...
 
> Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass
> for a very good reason!

Hmm, a list member (who shall remain nameless) has explained to me that
the whole of the continental US is sloped downwards, towards the
southwest. The result (he claims) is that anything loose or unstable
ends up in southern California. Your comments seem to bear this out
;-{>}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:55:48 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant

I can't remember the name but the anti-freeze I want is the stuff they put
in Italian wine...

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Perrone Ford <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:27 AM
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant

> You absolutely CANNOT use "any fluid suitable for aluminum blocked
engines"
> in your Land Rover. They do NOT have the necessary ingredients to make a
> healthy brass radiator in a Land Rover.  You need to keep using the normal
> stuff.  As for the enviro-friendly stuff.. I totally recommend it.  I did
> about 2 weeks research on it last year, talking to everyone I could find
who
> would really know about the stuff, and it seems it really is good stuff.
I
> use Sierra personally, and it performs as well as better than the Prestone
I
> had been using.  I now worry less about not being able to catch all the
> coolant when I drain my truck.  I have a lovely 2 year old dog to protect,
> and my GF works for a vet.. so she is DAMN sensitive about this stuff.
>
> SAAB's antifreeze in no different than anything else.  Its either
Propylene
> Glycol (standard stuff) Dexcool, or the enviro stuff.  Have a look at the
> label and figure out what's in it.
>
> -P
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> > Behalf Of Lonn & Rhonda
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:58 PM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant
> > You know, it's funny that I changed ALL the fluids in my new RR the
> > first week I had it, but never even thought about the coolant.  I just
> > flushed the SAAB, because the factory is adamant about changing it
> > every two years and using only SAAB anti-freeze.  Maybe my RR will
> > like SAAB anti-freeze?  Seems that any coolant designed for aluminum
> > blocked engines should work, but my SAAB tech is insistent on using
> > only genuine SAAB anti-freeze.  Wonder why?
> >
> > And what's the deal with the eco-anti-freeze that won't destroy Fido's
> > liver?  Anybody have any experience with it?
> >
> > Lonn
> > '67 109 beast
> > '90 RR County
> > and obviously, a SAAB...
>
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:42:02 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re:  Cameron Green???

One of the colors for series rovers is Cameron Green.  Can someone describe 
this color.  My 109 was originally a medium green, kind of a jade color.  
Been trying to find out what the color is.  It is not really a pastel color 
so don't think its pastel green.  The truck was repainted that institutional 
pastel green that every school in the 50's was painted.  That's how the 
truck got the name 'slime'.  See that there was a medium green that early 
series I's were painted, could it be this color???

The truck is a 1966 109 regular originally outfitted as a fire truck with 
pump on the front.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally up and running 
12/00.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:59:23 +0100
From: Paul <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Marin`s prayer/was Land Rover bodied tedium

In article <[email-masked]>, TeriAnn Wakeman 
wrote:
> Oh almighty  2.25 three main bearing Land Rover engine, praise be to the 
> Land Rover factory.
>

 As it was on Delivery,
 so shall it ever shall be,
 Roads without End
 
 Amen

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:07:31 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters...

> Funny... all my bits of extraneous metal parts hang on the outside
> appendages of my body...
> 
Like bolt on accessories.
lol
Pete

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:50 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO:  Weber 34ICH update (crap no more)

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Fianlly got the dang thing to idle.  Had to recut the nose of the idle =
jet and run some thin gauge wire through all the passages after removing =
the lead plugs.
I did a write up for www.aloharovers.com , it's in the tech articles =
section.  or try http://www.aloharovers.com/ichoverhaul.htm
lots of pictures and an exploded diagram.
Pete

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:42:47 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks

Some how I imagine the protest was less than successful.
The correct who have been to bring in the friendly young men in the
clean white clothes bearing straight jackets.
Obviously these poor people must be crazy.
John and Muddy 

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
> Hope Peter wrote:
> 
> > Yes I am kidding, sheesh you PETA folks should change yer name to PITA.
> 
> Heh, heh, heh!
> 
> Mainstreet Nairobi, yesterday, three PETA 'world citizens' (from guess
> which state, in guess which country) lock themselves inside a chicken
> coop to protest against Kenyans consuming meat/chickens (BTW, estimates
> are that 4.4 million Kenyans are at risk of starving at the moment). A
> bystander observing this shakes his head and says "Chickens are not an
> endangered species. I don't see the sense of it. Tonight I'm leaving
> here and I'm going for a chicken."
> 
> Go figger...
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:26:47 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time

Yes
John and Muddy

Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> So if my engine started missing, and when I step on the gas it backfires
> through the carb, what is that most likely to be? Head gasket, burnt
> valve?
> --
> Jim Hall
> 1966 88" Elephant Chaser
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
> "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling
> with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:35:59 +0200
From: Ivan Lukic <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Why do we own Land Rovers?

Mark Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Very quiet this morning?
> I have been thinking about why I like Land Rovers.

Well, I guess its about my personality. I like to do things by myself,
that allows me to learn a lot about different aspects of life. I built a
house for me and my family. So maintaining a vehicle by myself is not
all that uncommon. And which vehicle will last enough to allow me to
play with? And which vehicle is not so complicated to let me understand
how so-and-so works? And which vehicle will let me experiment with used
parts from different cars (when original are not available)? And which
vehicle smiles at me every time I came across? ... Well, currently,
unmovable gray '59 s2 lwb sw.

Regards, Ivan.

ps. I hope you'll understand better my idea than my english :-).

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:37 +0100
From: "John Bridgett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Classic LSE For Sale ?

Hi,
I may be shortly in a situation where I have to sell my mint 4.2LSE. It's
the classic shape M reg 68,000 miles RPi LPG conversion with underfloor tank
so still huge bootspace. Everything working, no dents, CD & radio etc. It
has FULL SERVICE HISTORY from day one, Metallic Green / Grey leather.

If anyone is remotely interested in this vehicle will you please email me
off the list ([email-masked]).

Regards - John

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of Faure, Marin
Sent: 11 April 2001 04:10
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant

(Perrone Ford stated that he uses environmentally
friendly coolant in his Range Rover now.)

As it was explained to me, an environmentally-
friendly coolant like Sierra does not have the same
degree of corrosion-inhibiting qualities as the
nasty stuff like Prestone, etc.  The three diesels in
our trawler had Sierra as their coolant when we
bought the boat in California.  When we got it
to Bellingham, WA, I had a very reputable engine
shop go over all three engines for a complete service.
One of the first things they said was, the Sierra's got
to go.  The reason given was that it has pretty much
no corrosion combatant properties.  The diesel
shop recommended changing to a coolant marketed
under the Caterpillar name (Cat doesn't make it, of course),
which is formulated specially for marine engines, with an
even higher corrosion inhibiting factor that "normal "
coolant.  We had them make the switch, but in the discussion,
they described what they'd come across in marine engines that
had used Sierra or Sierra-type coolant for a period of time, and
they said the end result wasn't pretty and was pretty expensive to
fix, and in some extreme cases, ruined the engine.

Given the aluminum nature of the Rover V-8, I would be leery
of using a coolant type that does not provide a high degree of
corrosion protection.  There may be anti-freezes on the market
that are both environmentally friendly and do a good job of
corrosion protection.  But I was certainly given the impression
by people I figure should know that the two are mutually exclusive.
I'm not implying that the Rover V-8 should be fed a coolant that's
been formulated for the marine environment, which admittedly is
tougher in terms of corrosion than the automotive environment.
But everything I've been told (so far) seems to suggest that while
the environmentally friendly coolants are certainly better for the
environment, they are not better for an engine.

Perhaps someone here with more knowledge of coolant
properties can reinforce or refute my understanding.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:57:48 +0200
From: "S. Vels" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: The great shock debate (U-bolts)

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> ...There are some cheap poor strength 'U' bolts in the LR
> aftermarket.  Either get US  "u" bolts or genuine ones.

I've had British u-bolts strip the thread easily and u-bolts from India torque
down real hard. The latter were even coated with some enamel type of paint.
Before seeing this, i would have thought i was the other way round.

rgds
sv/aurens

..off to Turkey for a week. Wonder if they have anything other than Suzuki 4x4
rentals...

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:57:34 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Mini quest-no Rover content

I've got a pic of me standing next to the first Mini ever made - after I had
just driven it.
D'you want me to hunt it out, scan and send it?
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: David G. Russell <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: LRO: Mini quest-no Rover content

> Please reply off-list.
>
> Does anyone have a link to a Mini page that just has a picture of a Mini
> on it?
>
> I don't want Flash
> I don't want frames
> I don't want under construction
> I don't want a bad link
>
> I just want a picture of a Mini and maybe a person standing next to it
> for reference.
>
> http://www.minifreak.freeserve.co.uk/famous.htm
>
> is as close as I've come but there is no plain, simple, stock Mini on
> the page
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:28:21 -0400
From: Gerald <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's

Probably Greenvolle, Maine home of a well known Fly In for sea planes.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:59 -0400, you wrote:

>
>>The set on the DC-3 in New England
>
>OK, I missed this - what DC3 on floats WHERE in New England?
>
>ROAD TRIP......8*)

- --
Gerald
[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:44:40 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's

>The set on the DC-3 in New England

OK, I missed this - what DC3 on floats WHERE in New England?

ROAD TRIP......8*)

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:45:08 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: relay knock found?

I never disturbed the lower
retainer ring when I installed the new relay.

Joe, get the ring on there - that will solve the problem. The inner
diameter of the ring is a snug (almost driven) fit to the relay and is
there to prevent the problem you're describing.

If you don't have the ring, someone here may have one or there's always the
other parts places.

Don't shim anything till you've gotten the ring on - any shims you put in
will likely over the fullness of time turn to rust...and then it's back
again.

               ajr

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:49:22 -0400
From: "Matthew Wilson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Painting a IIa

Ron,
  I'm looking at Rustoleum Sage.  It's a little lighter than the original
Pastel Green, but relatively close.
Matthew

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
Behalf Of RON WARD
Sent: 11 April, 2001 11:03
To: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Painting a IIa

Hey,

I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel green.
Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and recall
seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that had been
painted the same color.  The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden
collections," or something similar, paint color.  Anyone recommend a variety
or close color match in a rustoleum or other exterior paint that can be
found at the Home Depot or someplace?

Thanks

Ron Ward

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:21 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re:

coming from Yorkshire, Bill, you had enough trouble with English right?

Best Cheers

Frank

By the way, Bill - last I was in York I had a couple of pints of Tetley's
at the Monk Bar Hotel in your honor.....

                         aj"Gooood beer....."r

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