Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #324

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:04:46 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 324

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:07:44 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: radiators

Speaking of radiators, I am looking at re-coring my Series II radiator.  But
that is the same as replacing the whole thing with a IIa radiator from RN.
Any advantages/disadvantages to going one way or the other.  FWIW I would be
recoring with what they call an MX core.

Rich Williams
Series II 109 SW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William L Leacock <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: LRO: radiators

> Winn, the core of the 2.25 and 2.6 L rads are the same. There is a
> difference in the inlet /outlet pipe positions. ISTR that the top
> connection is at the side on the 2.6 and in the center on the 2.25
>  The core is 439 mm between headers, 458  wide and 52 mm deep, ( 3 row -
> 10 fins per inch) or 73 mm deep on the ser2.   There are a number of
> factors to be considered when comparing performance, the type and the
> spacing of the fin (fin density) are significant.  I believe that the
> core thickness was reduced when the fin was changed to a higher
> performance type.
>
> Regards from Western New York State
>
>   Bill Leacock.
>
> aged 21 (33 times)
>

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:29:26 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Series Fuel tanks

Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:45:44 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks

>Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal 
a series land rover's fuel tanks if they do not leak, but have 
a lot of loose scale and debris inside. Is there a cunning 
sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out leaving a 
perfectly clean and rust protected tank?

>From what you told me awhile back about the business 
you're in, I suspect you may have a possible solution to your problem 
on the shelf in your hangar.  Aircraft fuel tank sloshing compound 
might do what you want.  It's a liquid that's designed to be poured 
into a tank, then the tanks turned every whichway to distribute the 
material on all inner surfaces.  When it dries, it forms a sort of vinyl-
like coating on the inside of the tank that's impervious to fuel. It's 
purpose is to seal seeping seams in a fuel tank, but I would imagine 
you can use it for the purpose you describe.  Obviously, you have 
to remove the fuel tank from the plane or vehicle in order to 
use the stuff.  It's a multi-step process, 
and the instructions are on the can.  I can't remember how 
clean the inside of the tank has to be, however.  It may be that 
it won't adhere properly to a dirty, rusted, or scaly surface. The 
can will tell you that.

I used sloshing compound to seal up a number of pinholes I had in 
my original fuel tank.  Series fuel tanks tend to rust from the outside in 
because of moisture that gets trapped in the dirt that builds up between 
the tank and the skidplate underneath it.  My tank was actually quite 
clean and shiny on the inside even after ten years or so.  But rust had 
attacked the bottom.  I used the sloshing compound, and it did a good 
job.  Unfortunately, my tank was deteriorating rapidly, and in about a year 
it started to seep fuel again.  I replaced it with a new tank, but was careful to 
apply heavy coats of primer and black Rustoleum to the tank before I installed 
it.  It's been almost twenty years since I installed the second tank, and so far 
it has held up perfectly.

If you simply want to remove the dirt and debris on the inside, I suppose a 
strong solvent would be the way to go.  Or you could dump in some coarse gravel 
and rattle that around in there for awhile to loosen the scale and whatnot 
first.  We used this technique on a road grader fuel tank in Colorado, and 
it seemed to work great.  Gravel is large enough to get all of it out, as opposed 
to sand or some other finer abrasive.  If you decide to do this, it's imperative that 
you get all the loosened crud out, as if you leave any in there, it can do a neat 
job of clogging your fuel filters in a big hurry.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:07 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors

Its not that difficult to swap weights and springs from the used dist. to
the new, just keep the spring and its weight together.

Chris hall

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:48:37 -0400
From: "M. Tompkins" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium

wow, what a notice. wonder how many lawyers actually own a series
vehicle and take passengers along. can you imagine being a
passenger and signing your name on some huge releasability of
liability document.
is this what our country has turned into?
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:52:34 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:34:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard:  WAAAY OT

>Kids tend to shed less than dogs, depending on the dog, and the kid.

Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever 
(five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller.  It's 
a real breed, by the way.)

>Marin, as Lou Reed once sang, think of it as raising your own   
pallbearers.

Also a good point.  But as to the question people always ask 
adults without kids, "who's going to take care of you when you're 
old," my answer (and the answer of all the mostly kid-less people 
I work with), is "your kid's taxes."

>So its all very well to say the world is going to hell in a handbasket   
and kids these days are the worst, etc, but it is more credible of the   
person saying it is also trying to do something about it.  And I am sure   
you are.

The problem is time.  I don't have any for anything outside of what 
I'm already doing.  This is one reason my wife and I decided not to have 
kids, as with all our activities we didn't feel we could give children the 
attention they need, and we weren't willing to give up our activities 
to do so.  So we figured if we can't do it right, we won't do it at all.

> But when it comes to bad kids?  Blame the parents and the kids   
themselves, once they reach a certain  (I think fairly young)  age.  Not   
society, not the schools.  Not the Gov'mint.

I'm not sure I'd even blame the kids, at least not at a young age.  I've 
heard and read countless times that whatever you're going to be in terms 
of basic values and attitudes, it's pretty much set by the time you're five 
or six.  Assuming that's true, the burden's pretty much entirely on the parents, 
it seems to me.

>But all that said about making the future rosier, I did buy a gas   
powered weed whacker yesterday....

I don't think you could do that if you were in California.  I believe you can no 
longer buy two-stroke anythings in California, mowers, weed whackers, outboard 
motors, etc.  Personally, I'm using as much fossil fuel as I possibly can in 
every piece of machinery I use.  I figure the only way man is going to buckle down 
and come up with a better, cleaner, more efficient, environmentally friendly fuel 
source is when he is faced the absolute crisis of having no more fuel.  Only then 
will he step up to the plate.  So the faster we burn up the world's supply of fossil 
fuel, the better. I am doing my share- the plane I fly burns 25 gallons an hour, and 
I drive a Land Rover and a Range Rover, two of the most fuel-inefficient vehicles 
one can come up with.  Our pickup gets squat for mileage, and I put a higher-performance 
engine control computer in my BMW 635csi which knocked at least five mpg off the 
economy of the thing, which was none too good to begin with.

See, that's another reason against Land Rover hybrids with engine conversions.  You 
might accidentally put in an engine that gets better mileage, and will thus be delaying the 
day when man is forced to use his brain enough to come up with a better energy source.  So 
all you conversion freaks out there- you're making the planet worse, not better.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:53:01 -0600
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover

But that isn't the one that seemed to do best on the course. The final
winner was picked by points from several catagories, the trail being 
just one of them. The one that I'm talking about had the least 
articulation of all the rovers and seemed almost stock. Mike's was sweet
looking, but I think the other guy was a better driver.

Jeff Gauvin wrote:
> 
> >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:55:04 -0700
> >From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover
> >
> >Well, I got video of some of the twist off. My battery died before the
> >competition was over. Unfortunately, Timm didn't make it either, so it
> >was all D-90's. Funny part is the one that seemed to do the best on the
> >"obstacle course" which was a section of 21 road, was the most stock.
> 
> "Most Stock" Eh?  Well, maybe, but that ain't saying much!
> 
> Vehicle - 1995 Defender 90 (originally a soft top)
> Modifications
> Custom paint
> Custom hard top
> 4 point internal roll cage
> Custom made chassis, with off road protection items built in, and then
> galvanized (Maine winters you know)
> 300 Tdi (turbo diesel) engine with a Phase 2 intercooler, custom fueling
> and custom set up injection pump
> R380 5 speed gearbox
> LT230 1.4 transfer case
> Underdrive
> 4.11 ring and pinions
> 35" Super Swamper Radials
> Defender 130 steel wheels
> ARB lockers front and rear
> 30 spline rear axles
> 24 spline HD front axles, with modified 1 ton CV joints
> Modifed ARB front bumper
> Warn HS9500 winch
> Modifed Safari Gard Stage III suspension with modifed 3 link
> Aux. lights, raised breathers, intake, recovery points, engine driven
> compressor, tie rod guard, HD drag link, etc.
> 
> --
> Jeff Gauvin
> '94 D90

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:54:28 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:06:41 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

>Anyway, if this topic is going to persist, I've got a brain 
twister for you. If I have a Bronco and a IIa and I swap the engines and 
bodies from one to the other and vice versa, which one is which?

Neither is neither.  You have two hybrids, one based on a Bronco 
and one based on an SIIa.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:05:46 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

>Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
>(five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller.  
>It's
>a real breed, by the way.)

Alright!! What can I get with my points??

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:08:35 -0400
From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc.

I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy.  I want a ride
in a DC-3/C-47.  Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I
retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!)  I've
ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these.

Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the East
Coast, I can hook up with?  If so, please respond off list.

Thanks for the band width.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:19 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: What is LR ownership about (was LR-bodied bastard)

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:18:04 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

>Can we please STOP THIS THREAD. Someone is going to get offended.
Marin's comment about children offended me...A LOT. Even if people are jesting, it's
just not right, this is not what Land Rover ownership is about.

And, what, pray tell, IS Land Rover ownership about?  I don't recall 
anything in my SIII owners manual describing that, and I know there's 
no section in the factory service manual covering ownership.  So how 
would you define it?  That's not a challenge or snide comeback; I'd be interested 
to know just what you (and anyone else who wants to comment) think owning 
a Land Rover means.  Any Series Land Rover- stock, accessorized to the max, 
hybrid, any of them.  I know what it means to me, what does it mean to you?

>Please, can we just cease this thread?

And all "just get along?"  Sounds kind of boring....

PS. I'm curious about your e-mail address.  "metalthrasher.screaming" doesn't seem 
to jibe with a post containing a degree of sensitivity.  Or does it refer to an industry?  
When we filmed in New Zealand a couple of years ago, we got a kick out of the term 
used there (and other places we found out) for auto body repair shops.  They're called 
"panel beaters."  That's great, it should become the universal term.  Much better than 
"body shop."

___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:37 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

>Neither is neither.  You have two hybrids, one based on a Bronco
>and one based on an SIIa.
>___________________________
>C. Marin Faure

Well I knew you'd say that and some people will say that they're whatever 
the owner says they are. I want to know what the other folks think.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Fwd: Power (Nucular!!)

- --- Robert Ries <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Ries <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Power (Nucular!!)
> To: [email-masked]
> 
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:38:34 -0500 (CDT)
> From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
> Subject: UK-LRO: Re: LRO: Power
> 
> Read "Know Nukes" by James Hogan in his collection "Minds, 
> Machines
> :and Evolution".  By the way, the glass bricks/desert storage 
> idea was
> :cribbed from Spyder Robinson/R.A.  Heinlein/Larry Niven or
> one 
> of their
> :ilk.  Apologies for non-attribution.. mea culpa!  (If you
> have 
> to ask
> :who these people are, you really need to look outside your
> own 
> head.)
> 
> It's also unworkable.  Storage of nuclear waste needs to be
> safe
> 
> for longer
> than one can expect people to be able to read the signs.  
> 
> - -- 
> [email-masked]
> Bipedalism is only a fad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If we breed ourselves out of the ability to read, we deserve
> to
> fry...
> 
> 
> =====
> Robert D. Ries
> SSgt, USAF
> Burwell, England
> "With friends like these..."
> 
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Burwell, England
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:34:47 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Since you asked - C-47

Larry,

When is the next time you'll be in California?

Can't help out with a C-47 on the Atlantic Coast but probably can get you on
one in California.

Rich
SII 109SW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Smith <[email-masked]>
To: Land Rover Owner Net <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:08 PM
Subject: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

> Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc.
>
> I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy.  I want a
ride
> in a DC-3/C-47.  Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I
> retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!)  I've
> ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these.
>
> Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the
East
> Coast, I can hook up with?  If so, please respond off list.
>
> Thanks for the band width.
>
> Larry Smith
> Chester, VA
>
>

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:48:01 -0600 
From: "Coates, Clinton" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Oh, the humanity!

ajr intones: Parts is parts...

Exactly right.  As much as I would love to provoke more knee-jerk responses,
I will, in the interests of the list, refrain...

So, when you compare the pertronix with the Crane, does the pertronix look
more robust than the Crane system?  My installation ran just fine for 20,000
miles, but I was constantly peeking a jaundiced eye under the dizzy cap to
see if the gimcracky little screw and arm thingy was still in place.  The
darned thing never shifted, but I had a spare breaker plate with P&C just in
case...

Clinton

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Power

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that plutonium supply 
is limited.
BS it keeps ticking, doesn't occur anywhere naturally (yes its 
man-made),
and produces lots of energy.

Use low wattage bulbs, recycle, don't get emotional and protest 
(nobody
listens to a raving idiot anyway), get educated, do something 
smart.

Oh and what Marin said about Kids, that too.

Hurricane Mitch

Hey Mitch, I think that was me, I'm sorry, you're right.  IIRC
plutonium is made in breeder reactors from uranium?  But isn't
the uranium supply limited?  (at least until we can get
off-earth resources in our grasp.) I was a physics major 14
years ago, but dropped out due to a drinking/skiing/skipping
class/chasing women problem.  It sure shows some days, don't it?
 Help!

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SSgt, USAF
Burwell, England
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:42:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Spare wheel was Hi-lift

Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:53:32 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift

I keep my spare in the back all the time.  Ever tried lifting a 
33x1250 on
custom 35lb rims up onto the hood?
Not to mention trying to drive that way.  lol
Pete

But it keeps the bonnet well down in the bumps.  Also can nearly
decapitate a man when working on the engine and said bonnet
falls off the support sticks...  

DON'T ASK!!!

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Burwell, England
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:57:17 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: 2.25 Turbo

> >BTW, ACR is also developing a turbocharger for the 2.25.
> 
> A note here.  Rover went from a three main bearing engine to a five main 
> bearing engine BEFORE they added a turbo.  It is my understanding that 
> the 3 main will not hold up long term with the turbo.
> 
> Save that mod for the five main 2.25 and 2.5 engines.

Not doing it myself...ohhh no.
Just wanted to pass the info along.
Pete

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:47:15 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Time Crunch

Marin said, "The problem is time.  I don't have any for anything outside
of what
I'm already doing."

. . . which apparently is spending hours and hours every day writing
verbose posts to this list :- )

bill

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:08:52 -0400
From: "Robert McCullough" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

hey Larry, i remember exiting a C-47 while in flight back in '70-'71, some
sort of demo jump for Nato. i believe it was over Nimaegen(?). seems to me
there was only one door on the right side of the aircraft.

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:16:32 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

Hi All--

Larry Smith wrote:
> 
> Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc.
> 
> I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy.  I want a ride
> in a DC-3/C-47.  Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I
> retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!)

Indeed you do!  Maybe not the same level of cargo as hopping up and down
Vietnam in asthmatic C-130s for three weeks trying to get to your
assignment station.  I don't think I *saw* a seat in a plane till I took
the Freedom Bird out. ...

>  I've
> ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these.
> 
> Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the East
> Coast, I can hook up with?  If so, please respond off list.
> 

I wish you luck.  I can't help, but I can give you some advice.  The
*first* airplane I ever rode in was a DC-3, when I was six or seven. 
That would have been 1953 or 54.  Ozark Airlines used to have a fleet of
them, and were the only airline to serve Peoria IL, so gooney birds were
the only planes I flew in till Ozark bought turboprops in the sixties
(we called those "screaming mimis").  I remember looking out of the
window of my first gooney bird at the engine and thinking, "Gee, I
wonder if those rivets are supposed to bounce up and down in their holes
like that?"  Then I remember thinking, "Gee, is the engine supposed to
spit fire like that every now and then?"  I don't think that ever
changed in all the DC-3s I flew in.

So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts
_or_ start drinking heavily.

<rye-whiskey-rye-whiskey,-rye-whiskey-i-cry>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
- ----------------------------------------------
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Symantec
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http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:20:05 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Series Fuel tanks

> not sure about the cleaner, but I hear this stuff works great at sealing
and
> prolonging the tank.
>
> http://www.por15.com/tankseal_fuelpreserve.html
>
> Been happy with their other products, maybe there's someone who's actually
> used it on the list.
>
> Matt
One of our local LROs has used it.  But just did the job in the past week,
so no longevity data yet.

I used the sloshing compound available from JC Whitney on my tank, well it's
been at least 16 months becasue I did it at the last house.  The tank has
been mounted on the vehicle with fuel in it for about a year now.  No leaks.
Now I also removed the shield, wire wheeled and sand blasted the tank, and
painted the hell of it before welding the shield back on.  When I pulled the
tank, let it dry and then shook the dust out, I probably ended up with a
styrofoam cup size pile of dust and small scale.  With the runability
problems I have been having I pulled the feed tube and nothing in the
screen, nothing in the sediment bowl either.  Also yanked the float and
shone a light into the tank, looked clean still.  I have filled the tank
only 4 times so far, and the speedo wasn't working for a couple of weeks, so
not sure how many miles I have driven.
Anyway, thats my results so far.
Pete

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:21:11 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

> We have little enough time on this planet 
> as it is.  Why waste any of it on kids.  I have 
> a dog.  Cheaper, more fun, never turn into 
> druggies or glue sniffers, and are always 
> dependable..... :-)

Wouldn't want to admit it to SWMBO, but I kinda feel the same way.
Pete

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:28:13 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: crap crap crap

> >Pete,
> Take a look at this...if you want to see te SU ona LR, in situ...
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=195874&a=12520726
>

Ahhh RHD vehicle.  I went ahead and talked to ierce today.  Got a manifold
and carb from them.
Pete

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:33:18 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Spare wheel was Hi-lift

Hi All--

Robert Ries wrote:
> 
> But it keeps the bonnet well down in the bumps.  Also can nearly
> decapitate a man when working on the engine and said bonnet
> falls off the support sticks...
> 
> DON'T ASK!!!
> 

Sorry, you can't get away with that around here.  Sounds like something
I need to know about, or I'll make something up that's even more
embarassing than the truth to put in my book.

<gratefully-acknowledging-robert-ries>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-);-)
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:46:15 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap

> Peter, Dwell meters are getting rare.  If your Fluke has Duty Cycle you
> are in business.  on a four cylinder 90 deg dwell = 100% duty cycle, so
> the conversion is straight forward.
>
Yes, my fluke measures duty, dwell, etc.  Just dont know how to hook it up.
Will check the green manual again, but don't remember seeing it there.

> If you can change point gap by gently wiggling the dist. shaft it needs
> rebushed.  Checking point gap like you described would find a bent shaft
> but might not find worn bushes.
Very good point.  I should yank the dizzy and check for bushing wear.
Rebushing is pretty easy.
I am also concerned becasue I know that the PO changed out the timing chain.
I have an 8:1 head and am running hightest right now, but if I go any more
advanced then tdc it pings on load.

> The carb really sounds like you have no fuel flowing in the idle circuit,
>  Try loosing the idle jet and see if you can close the throttle some more
> with it stalling.  If so you have a clogged idle jet.  If you have a
> anti-diesel solenoid on your idle jet make sure you get a good solid
> click when it energizes.

Yes, I can enrichen the mixture and can back off on the idle.  When I
rebuilt the carb I removed the brass plug that is on the outside of the carb
for the idle ports.  Soaked the body in a carb tank over night.  I replugged
with a brass plug and then blew compressed air through the ports.  Finsihed
rebuilding the carb.  No difference in idle  :-(
Guess I could pull it all back off again and recheck.  Maybe try some thin
copper wire through the circuit.  Wont spend too much time with it though,
the Pierce and DVG will be here Thursday.
Thanks for the info
Pete

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:48:23 -0700
From: "Lonn & Rhonda" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

If she goes for your crotch a wonderfully soft mouth is definitely a
plus.

Did I just say that out loud?  Oh well, if you're still reading this
thread you're a glutton for pulp and deserve to read such cheap and
debased humor.

Lonn

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard

> Speak for your own dog.  Ours would sniff anything which was little
> embarrassing because she always went for the crotch.  She was a
Labrador
> Retriever and was always into something including bringing home drug
> paraphenalia.  Usually just a smelly rotten bird carcass but did
bring home
> a McDonalds dinner for two once.  Dog had a wonderfully soft mouth,
didn't
> even put a hole in the bag the food was in and it was still hot.
Had to
> send her back for Ketchup, though.
>
> Aloha
> Peter
>
>
> >From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
> >We have little enough time on this planet
> >as it is.  Why waste any of it on kids.  I have
> >a dog.  Cheaper, more fun, never turn into
> >druggies or glue sniffers, and are always
> >dependable..... :-)
> >___________________________
> >C. Marin Faure
> >   (original owner)
> >   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> >   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> >   Seattle
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:10:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

:
:So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts
:_or_ start drinking heavily.
:

I had a friend describe a flight as one he had wanted to be really hung-over
for.  When I said "Don't you mean drunk?", he explained that he wanted a
really bad hang-over so the invitable seeming firey crash would be an
improvement.  

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:56:19 -0400
From: "d.h.lowe" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors

To check if your distributor is worn put your timing light pickup on number
one plug lead and check the timing position. Change the pickup to number four
lead and check the timing position again. It should be in the same spot. If
it isn`t the distributor is worn. If it is jumping about it could be the
distrib. or a tired timing chain.
Dave

[email-masked] wrote:

> Its not that difficult to swap weights and springs from the used dist. to
> the new, just keep the spring and its weight together.
>
> Chris hall

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:52:59 +1200
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard

Yawn.....

Spoken like a true old coozer with a gigantic chip on his shoulder.....

I suppose you walked barefoot to school thru a snow covered minefield as
well?

Macka

- -----Original Message-----
From: Faure, Marin <[email-masked]>
To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Date: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 05:02
Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard

>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:33:10 +0100
>From: Andy Smith <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard
>
>>Just a thought and if somebody else has said I apologies now.
>Did Marin hate himself when he was young ?, those years must of been
>Tortuous for him..................
>
>No, I was too busy riding horses, working on ranches, riding around
>the California and Colorado mountains in the summer in Jeeps (with Chevy
V-8
>engines, no less), sailing, deep-sea fishing, learning how to fly, and
doing about a zillion
>other things.  I didn't have a television until I was 16, so I actually had
>to DO interesting stuff to entertain myself.  One of the things I love
about
>both television and the internet is that as more and more people remain in
>their homes experiencing life on a screen, there are less and less people
>crowding up the real world.  So I'm sorry to disappoint, but no, I didn't
>hate myself when I was young.  I had a great time, same as I am now.  My
>lack of interest in today's youth in not due to my own experiences, but to
>my observations that today's youth for the most part are not worth wasting
>time on.  At least not my time.  There are exceptions, but they seem to be
>few and far between.  But my opinions are not the result of having a bad
time
>as a kid.  In fact, I feel sorry for most of today's youth because they
seem
>to have no direction and no opportunities to do the kinds of things I was
able
>to do when I was a kid.  I make a fair amount of money, have a boat, a
plane,
>and can pretty much travel anywhere in the world whenever I want.  I
attribute
>those benefits in large part to the experiences I had as a kid.  Hauling
logs
>out of the woods with a Caterpillar tractor when you're 14 teaches you
something
>you don't get in front of a TV screen.  You can say that hauling logs out
of the
>woods isn't a skill today's kids are going to need, but I'm not talking
about the
>skill itself, but the values- discipline, responsibility, and
self-reliance- you gain
>from doing things like that.
>___________________________
>C. Marin Faure
>  (original owner)
>  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>  Seattle
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:04:10 +1200
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: What is LR ownership about (was LR-bodied bastard)

Jeeez, Marin, you actually found something in ol NZ that you liked while you
were down in our country......

I am saddened that it was tarnished with the moronic idiotic youths you met
tho....

Guess now you'll never come back .... what a tragedy!!

Macka

>When we filmed in New Zealand a couple of years ago, we got a kick out of
the term
>used there (and other places we found out) for auto body repair shops.
They're called
>"panel beaters."  That's great, it should become the universal term.  Much
better than
>"body shop."
>
>___________________________
>C. Marin Faure
>  (original owner)
>  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>  Seattle
>

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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:42:55 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover)

At 20:16 09/04/01 -0600, Ivan Van Laningham, wrote

>So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts
>_or_ start drinking heavily.

Given that there are several hundred it not thousands of the birds still 
working daily worldwide I don't think you have to worry too much.

Back in the early seventies when I was putting myself through university 
after a three year air-crew stint in the RCAF I flew DC-3's right seat for 
40 or 60 or so hours.  I will never forget the feeling that those things 
had in the air.  Rock steady except on final when there was always a bit of 
a fatlady waddle down the aisle type of feel, smooth as anything through 
however much of a turn you wanted to crank in, and one son of a bitch of a 
cold bugger to be sitting in because the heaters were probably designed by 
the same people who designed Land Rover heaters.

If I won a lottery and I wanted a Land Rover type of intensive maintenance 
aircraft I'd snap up a DC-3 right away.  But if I had lots of money and 
still wanted ultra reliability in the air, superb handling, and outstanding 
STOL capability I'd go for a Twin Otter.  (Again, right seat time only)

Shortly after moving here to Calgary about five years ago I went to the 
local aviation museum and found to my great distress that the DC-3 they 
have parked on their front lawn is a NorthWest Territorial Airways 3 that I 
had flown.  I went back to the museum with my logbook to show them that 
their "museum artefact" was something I had first hand knowledge of and 
they were gracious enough to open it up and let me clamber through it.

Makes one feel really old (NO! I am not restarting the Youth thread!) to 
find part of your past in a  museum.

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:57:33 -0400
From: "Andre Shoumatoff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Got any spare frame sections kickin' around?

Does anyone in the north east as close to Burlington VT as possible have an
old frame kicking around that they'd be willing to sell to me so I can lop
off some pieces to make my now dangerously disintegrating frame somewhat
safe for offroading in the near future.  Or, would someone be willing to lop
off some sections and mail them to me?  I am willing to drive, even to
Canada if it matters.  The sections most of concern to me right now are in
the front above and to the front of the rear spring hanger, particularly on
the drivers side.  I have spoken to a good welder who can do a number on the
frame but 100% fabrication of these sections are going to cost me an arm an
a leg.

Andre

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