Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #317

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:20:59 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 317

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:39:47 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

Macka wrote:
> China V USA WW3??????

I'm happy to observe that I'm about as far removed from THAT arena as
possible.

"Sunblock! Get your sunblock here! Avoid a nasty nuclear sunburn."
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:55:06 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Ghost Driver?

Old bloke from Yorkshire tells his son he's going to take his car and
caravan to France for a holiday.
'You don't want to do that, they all drive on the wrong side of the road,'
said his son.
Coupla days later old bloke calls his son: 'The holiday is off. I hitched up
the caravan and tried driving down the wrong way on the M1 motorway
yesterday, son, and you're right, it's bloody dangerous.'

he was a 'ghost driver'...
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:43 PM
Subject: LRO: Ghost Driver?

> At 17:14 05/04/01 +0200, Luca Ingianni, wrote
> >  "drivers beware there is a ghost driver on highway so-and-so"
>
> This sounds intriguing --- what is a "ghost driver"
>
>
>
>
>
>                                              Rick Grant
>
>     1959 Series II   "88"
>   VORIZO
>
>
>
> Rick Grant Communications
> Media and Crisis Management
> Calgary Ottawa
> www.rickgrant.com
>
>

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:18:41 +0100
From: "Frank Elson" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude

nothing particularly startling. It's just that most houses she went to
offered her a nip of this light brown liquid it being Christmas.
 By the time she got to ours - and I had the Jameson's out - she was a bit
worried about driving under the influence...
and so were we, on her behalf... so Marj got the coffee on and me and a
couple of neighbours, who were in my house 'testing' the Jameson at 10.30am
(she normally delivers around 8am!).. went round our group of houses, there
are only twelve of them, with the rest of the mail.
 Of course, at most of the houses we had to go in for a dram...
and so it goes...
 She normaly finishes her 'round at noonish. We let her go (well Marj, being
the only sober person in the district, let her go) at about 2.30pm.
 Note for Ray Burton: having a house full, Marj rustled up some real
Lancashire 'tatty pie' with red cabbage or beetroot whichever is your fancy.
 L/R content: Rosie (the postwoman) was driving a newish Tdi Ninety at the
time. In our drunken state, as it was the time I was looking for a
replacement for my V8 in PKV, a couple of us got the notion we could keep
her there for another day while we swapped engines. The two of us were
outvoted by one - Marjorie, my better half.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude

>
> A couple of Christmases ago me and some neighbours finished the mail run
> one
> day while my wife sobered our postwoman up!
>
> Best Cheers
>
> Frank
>
> Oh, please do elaborate on this Frank - sounds like a great story.
>
>                               ajr
>
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:03:30 -0700
From: "Jim Hall" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

I wonder if the Discos will still be produced with GM door latches like
they are now.

Paul Oxley wrote:
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> 
> > Rest assured that Ford will not produce a car with A GM power plant.
> 
> Um, OK, fair point (most South Africans are still blissfully aware of
> most US car manufacturers and models), I meant Lincoln.
> 
> > As to where they will all be built? Who knows, especially after the complete Defender line is reintroduced in the US.
> 
> Apparently L-R does, and the word is that it's all gonna happen in
> Ford's facility outside Pretoria.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paul Oxley
> AfricanAdrenalin.com

- -- 
Jim Hall
1966 88" Elephant Chaser
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo
"You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling 
with Jim." Mitch Stockdale

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:14:06 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the Discos will still be produced with GM door latches like
> they are now.

I think Disco production will remain where it is.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:32:29 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Coil and Flasher

Neat (RPM curve dwell management electronically).

WOnder what that would do interfaced to a typical mechanical system like a
Rover though?

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:34:23 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

Bravo, Bill! Sounds like a sweetheart.

Not a damn thing wrong with a Mercedes as a daily driver - though Mrs.
Merdle still has more character.

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:38:48 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude

Y'know, Frank, the vision of you lot staggering about the countryside in a
GPO 90 singing Christmas carols and delivering mail is going to make me
giggle for the next week or so...

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:43:25 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

I wonder if the Discos will still be produced with GM door latches like
they are now.

Discos, Hell - classic RR used 'em too.

Wish I could find out wehat make/model they were from...

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:54:28 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: re:  power

Simon no doubt you are right but sometime a topic comes up that can't be
ignored and the dangers of nuclear power is one of those because I want
to be able to drive and repair my Land Rover for anther 50 years.
John and Muddy 

SJH wrote:
> 
> So nukes, Love Canal and personal injury lawyers have what to do with
> Land Rovers?  And no, I am not a PI lawyer, I actually spend my time
> defending personal injury claims brought by Ambulance chasers... (But if
> I or a family member werereally injured (as opposed to most of the soft
> tissue injury crap I see), I'd want to be able to bring a claim for
> it...)
> 
> And yeah, I do know how to use my delete button, but the non LR stuff is
> getting a tad thick lately dontchy'all think?
> 
> Simon
> 
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:44:17 -0400
From: "Paul Gussack" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Don't read this if all you are interested in is Land Rovers.

Marin

Alright Marin, We do have common ground.

"The thing that gets results in government is greed.
Same as outside the government.  Greed is a short-term catalyst.  "I want
it now."  Which brings me back to my original point, which is that more and
more decisions are being made with less and less thought to the long-term
consequences.  Age has nothing to do with this, by the way."

Don't tell me you support election finance reform.

Please don't misinterpret my statement about complaining to the list.
Discussing issues that are oblique to the list is important.  We (those on
the list) have other issues and interests (reluctantly, I assure you)
besides LR's.

I suppose though I may not completely agree with your statements, knee
jerking can go both ways.

I do not in any way, shape, or form support violent and destructive methods
of gaining attention to issues.  I think the Eco-terrorists are as bad as
those who blindly continue practices that are destructive.  The WTO riots in
Seattle sicken me. What should have been a thought provoking look at issues
was sodden by actions brought on by low life's interested in vandalism and
barbaric behavior.

There is another thing that makes me sick and that's posturing by people in
places of authority who don't give a tic turd for those who work with them
or the community they are in. We are an ignorant people and only take action
when we see our children dieing or our profit margins shrinking from
decreased sales from customers dropping dead.

I do work with several gov't and large corporations (contract basis) and see
what wholesale "reorganization" can do to people.  I've witnessed two major
shakeups that have cause hundreds of people to lose their jobs. Bottom line,
those at the top who pretend to take responsibility for their actions are
still employed with safe financial futures and many people with years
invested are stuck, scrambling for some safe work.  It's not an issue of
outsiders causing people to lose their jobs but poor management with a lack
of vision and education (MBA's are not the only qualification for
leadership).

What I hope is that you do not limit yourself to this forum in making your
opinions known. You are eloquent and intelligent (though I'm sure CARNIVORE
regularly monitors this list for subversive behavior) you need to make your
opinions known to those in authority.  We put them there, make them work for
it.

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:45:03 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

Hey, congrats Bill. I recommend you leave the windows open all the time. 
That way you won't get used to a quiet, weather tight ride ;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:52:28 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

>Um, fair point, however it doesn't mean or prove anything. Your sample
>is tiny (given the history of the Earth), and only spans the era when
>testing has been possible, so we have no way of knowing whether ozone
>depletion and warming isn't cyclical, or whether it isn't perhaps
>declining in the long term (one or two millennia).

That's an awfully optimistic stance with rather extreme consequences if 
you're wrong.

The fact is, the atmoshere IS going sour, sea levels ARE rising, water and 
energy ARE running low, and more and more people seem to be suffering from 
respiratory and chemical sensetivity problems. The cause doesn't really 
matter as the outcome will be the same for us.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:54:10 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

>Paul Oxley wrote:
> > "...blissfully aware..."
>
>Sorry, make that "blissfully UNaware..." :-{)}

I hope so. We're all aware of them over here but we're not living in bliss 
;-)

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:19:09 -0600
From: "Kirk Hillman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: RE: Engine Balancing

Peter,
    What is the URL for ACR?  I have looked everywhere from magazine ads to
internet searches, nothing is helping.  What can you tell me?

Kirk

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:23:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re:  Power

Hey Marin:  Dude, lighten up.  Take a day off.  Relax and envision a   
clear blue ocean, or some other calm, serene scene.  You'll live longer!

I did not posit any "rules"  (nor did I bore everyone with my (extended)   
views on any given subject).  Rather, I  (I think gently)  reminded   
everyone things were getting a little OT.  A high volume of non LR mail   
is an irritant when one has subscribed to an LR list.  An irritant mind   
you, not a major problem, just a minor irritant.  I'm not sure what   
"rules"  you think I've in mind  (I certainly didn't write any)  other   
than what is obvious in the address for this list :LRO.

As to using the digest thanks for your suggestions (as well as your   
assumption that my software is inferior to yours), but please keep in   
mind that not everyone is like you (!), and that some of us prefer to   
participate real time, not in digest mode.

Toodly doodly neighbor, and have a nice day!

Simon  in Portland  (We Drink Less Coffee Here)

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:53:54 -0500
From: Luis Ml Gutiérrez <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

Now that we are talking Mercedes, the other day I was driving in front of
the Mercedes Tower Building and they had right on the corner a 1956 300 SL
Gullwing. Silver with red leather interior in like-new condition.
I have no doubt that is probably one of the most beautiful cars ever built.
Then I passed in front of the LR dealer, and they were showing of their
jewel: a (claimed) 1950, topless SI, wearing costarican license plate #2.
I'm sure it was better than new.
That was enough to call it a day.

Luis M

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

>
> Bravo, Bill! Sounds like a sweetheart.
>
> Not a damn thing wrong with a Mercedes as a daily driver - though Mrs.
> Merdle still has more character.
>
>                          ajr
>
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:20:58 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

All Mercedes parts can be bought used for as cheap as any ford at Star Motors
website. Put Star Motors into a search engine, you'll find it. Brake disc for a
450 SL is $23 for example. Mercedes parts are not expensive and the aftermarket
dissassembly of them is a huge buisness.  DO NOT GO TO THE DEALER!
Kind regards,
Mark
1972 450 SL

David Scheidt wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, William J. Rice wrote:
>
> :Hey fellows,
> :I now own two cars older than me.  Sorry my latest acquisition isn't a
> :rover.  I'm about to start a frameover on Mrs. Merdle (65 IIA) and was
> :planning on buying a bicycle or using LPCs (Leather Personnel Carriers)
> :to get wherever I went, but then a cool Mercedes I walk by every day on
> :my way to class turned up with a "For Sale" sign in it one a.m.  It's a
> :'67 250SE.  Test drove and compression tested it tonight.  Not mint, but
> :probably cooler for all the quirks.  The guy kept telling me what didn't
> :work and I kept saying "I haven't had that for 5 years now."
>
> There nifty looking.  Sedan, Coupe, Convertible?  Hope you don't want to fix
> the things that don't work.  Mercedes parts are expensive.
>
> David
> --
> [email-masked]
> Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 01 08:20:18 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Real Rovers

> It will be interesting to see what happens when
> I turn up to a show with mud all over my 67
>SWB and a Chevy V8 that has been reluctantly shoehorned
> under the hood. Rumbling  like an AC Cobra because 
>it only has two cherry bombs and no muffler!!!!!

Funny you should ask.  I regularly attend British car meets.  When I 
bring my lovingly restored 1961 Triumph TR3A it gets glanced at about the 
same as all the other nice looking TR3s in the line.

When I bring the Green Rover, pop the top, open thebed and set the 
interior to cooking mode (Cook top cover up, broiler exposed, cross isle 
table up) I get constant crowds of non Land Rover people oooing and 
aaahing.  I've trailed with most the Land Rover folks so they know my 
interior well.

What has been happening since my engine, gearbox steering box swap is 
that I have been having a lot of Land Rover people asking me to pop the 
bonnet so they can have a look at the new engine, spending time streched 
out under my Land Rover and asking a lot of questions about how certain 
things were done.  A large proportion of the Local Land Rover owners seem 
to be very keen about leaning the mechanicals of my recent swap.

Oh, and while my carefuly restored TR3 is one of the crowd, my custom 
modified Land Rover is now a very frequent people's choice winner.

Go figure

TeriAnn         
                      http://www.overlander.net

  The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners
  with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide.

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:41:00 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard 

Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:54:29 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter)

>After all, once I'm done, I'll be able to say that even with a simple body
left, I'll still have more rover in my ford than you have in that restored
beauty of yours.

Let's see....You have a vehicle that has a Land Rover body but a different 
engine, drivetrain, frame, etc., etc., etc.  The other guy has a restored 
stock Land Rover in perfect condition.  But you claim your vehicle 
is more a Land Rover than his.  I'd love to know what you've been 
smoking (or injecting) to come up with that logic, as it sounds like 
something that could get me through my workday a hell of a lot easier.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:42:56 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Darkness

Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:13:59 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Darkness

>No, don't worry.  It's too dark in California for anyone to find their 
>way out, so I wouldn't expect to see anyone from that state up 
>here in the foreseeable future (thank God...)

>Hey Marin, as they said in "The Never Endin Story" the darkness is on the
move in the land!! Better buy lots of batteries.

I have a boat with a big-ass generator and 1,000 gallons of diesel 
on board.  I'm set.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:42:16 -0600 
From: "Coates, Clinton" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Mercedes

Welcome to the wonderful world of mercedes!  The mid-late 60s cars are
pretty  nice, though I would want to check around for rust a little bit.

Email me backchannel and I can set you up with a few good parts sources (are
you in the US or Canada?).  Parts are not generally expensive, except for
the odd surprise. And (lr content here), Mercedes seems to be the only other
company I am aware of other than land rover that does not abandon its
classic owners.  You will find that if you need, to, you can walk into a
dealership with your VIN and get them to order you a brand new key to fit
the lock.  Try that with a 1966 Chevy...

Find a good MB, non dealer mechanic you trust and you will be well on your
way.

Clinton

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:55:30 +0100
From: "Phil Norris" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

I don't know about GM but aren't they Morris Marina door handles?  Early
discos also used the front lights from a Freightrover van and the rear
lights from a Maestro van.  All Rover parts bin stuff to keep development
costs down, as the story goes....
PhilN
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: 06 April 2001 12:50
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

>
>I wonder if the Discos will still be produced with GM door latches like
>they are now.
>
>Discos, Hell - classic RR used 'em too.
>
>Wish I could find out wehat make/model they were from...
>
>                         ajr
>
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:01:22 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

Hi All--
I bought a new slide scanner recently, and I've been busy scanning in my
thirty-one-year-old slides from Vietnam.  I ran across one with a
vehicle in it; please take a look at:

	http://www.pauahtun.org/arvn.html

It's the picture one from the bottom.  Any thoughts?

Metta,
Ivan

PS:  I have lots of slides with vehicles in them, some quite odd.  One
is a picture of a turquiose Edsel. ... Eventually, I'll get them all
scanned in.
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org 
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:11:30 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

>I don't know about GM but aren't they Morris Marina door handles?

Then the Marina was buying door handles from GM as the ones on my 84 were
definitely stamped with a GM logo.

When I pulled them to derust/destick them I was highly amused...

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:34 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: Conversions

I think its pretty funny that there are those folks on the list who say 
conversions have no place in Land Rover History.   Classic head in ass 
syndrome.  It doesn't take long to come up with a long list of conversions 
that are notable points in rover history:   
- -The factory approved Australian Perentie with an Izuzu Diesel?   
- -The fact that that same Izuzu engine has been offered as an option in 
Australia by dealerships since 1981.
- -The salsbury axle which is obviously a dana item. 
- -The 127 inch bonneted control 1 ton pickup with a Perkins diesel fitted by 
the factory?  -Some rover dealerships in US in the late 60s offered to fit 
327 chevy V8s to series trucks for $1500 additional dollars.
- -Santana (don't get me started here)
- -Nevermind the Buick engine they have been sticking in their trucks since the 
70s.  
- -Just look look at the first land rover . . .it was a conversion -> on a Jeep 
. . .   
Need I say more? 
- -Regards
- -Ike Goss (1959 SII 88)

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:10 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

Cool - what looks like an old SWB Rover.

Definitely not one of the Aussie Army jobs - must have been civilian.

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:01:56 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

Not only is it a Landy, but did you notice the right seater checking out
the bird with the legs?

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Cool - what looks like an old SWB Rover.
>
> Definitely not one of the Aussie Army jobs - must have been civilian.
>
>                          ajr

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:26:01 -0600
From: Ivan Van Laningham <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

Hi All--

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> 
> Cool - what looks like an old SWB Rover.
> 
> Definitely not one of the Aussie Army jobs - must have been civilian.
> 

OK.  The picture was taken mid-1970.  Thus, the latest date for the
vehicle would have been 1969, which would be SIIa.  What's the earliest
date?  Since it looks about like it's been painted with house paint, I'd
hesitate to date it that late.  But of course, I've got no experience
identifying LRs.  Sigh.

<hoping-to-learn>,
Ivan 
- ----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Symantec
http://www.pauahtun.org 
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:59:14 -0700
From: Wise Owl <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #313

>
>Seriously, get some ally-backed insulation and use that - Dynamat's too
>damn expensive!
>
>                          ajr

There is a cheap, perfect copy of Dynamat sold through Mcmaster-Carr. It 
appears to be exactly the same, but without the Dynamat logo. Sells for $12 
a sheet. They call it "High temp accoustic mastic"or something. It is on 
there web page under acoustics or sound, etc.

73, Chris

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:09:12 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

The square shape of the rear step says it is a series 2
so 58 to 62.
John and Muddy

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
> 
> Hi All--
> 
> Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> >
> > Cool - what looks like an old SWB Rover.
> >
> > Definitely not one of the Aussie Army jobs - must have been civilian.
> >
> 
> OK.  The picture was taken mid-1970.  Thus, the latest date for the
> vehicle would have been 1969, which would be SIIa.  What's the earliest
> date?  Since it looks about like it's been painted with house paint, I'd
> hesitate to date it that late.  But of course, I've got no experience
> identifying LRs.  Sigh.
> 
> <hoping-to-learn>,
> Ivan
> ----------------------------------------------
> Ivan Van Laningham
> Symantec
> http://www.pauahtun.org
> http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
> Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
> Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:48:41 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: LRO: URL for ACR

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:52:24 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

Re: Step:

Don;t want to argue with you John (I've never even SEEN a Series II step),
but the taillights on that beast don't look like Sparto lights or even
earlier Lucas ones. The step may be S.II, but opinion on the IIa taillight
lenses?

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:01:32 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Conversions

You left out the BMW 6 cylinder petrol engined Defenders of South African 
manufacture plus a whole host of different diesels fitted to RR's by the 
factory.

>From: [email-masked]
>I think its pretty funny that there are those folks on the list who say
>conversions have no place in Land Rover History.   Classic head in ass
>syndrome.  It doesn't take long to come up with a long list of conversions
>that are notable points in rover history:
>-The factory approved Australian Perentie with an Izuzu Diesel?
>-The fact that that same Izuzu engine has been offered as an option in
>Australia by dealerships since 1981.
>-The salsbury axle which is obviously a dana item.
>-The 127 inch bonneted control 1 ton pickup with a Perkins diesel fitted by
>the factory?  -Some rover dealerships in US in the late 60s offered to fit
>327 chevy V8s to series trucks for $1500 additional dollars.
>-Santana (don't get me started here)
>-Nevermind the Buick engine they have been sticking in their trucks since 
>the
>70s.
>-Just look look at the first land rover . . .it was a conversion -> on a 
>Jeep
>. . .
>Need I say more?
>-Regards
>-Ike Goss (1959 SII 88)

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:06:14 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Re: RE: RE: Engine Balancing

http://www.automotivecomp.com/
Thought it was strange also that they don't have the url in their ads in
LROI.  Peter O had the link originally.  I passed it along to teriAnne so
it's in Overlander.net now
Pete
> Peter,
>     What is the URL for ACR?  I have looked everywhere from magazine ads
to
> internet searches, nothing is helping.  What can you tell me?

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:17:18 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Conversions

>iesels fitted to RR's by the
factory.

You mean like the York and VM?

Italian Diesel in a British car with a German automatic transmission...

This is a truly frightening concept.

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:36:46 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: re: power

There are dangers to nuclear generation of electrical power.  With the 
exception of Russia, however, the record for the nuclear power industry is 
unmatched by any other industry in the world.  Not one death.  Granted that 
a catastrophic failure would have wide ranging and long term effects, but it 
hasn't happened.  That is with old technology and much of it trial by error 
manufacture.  Your fear of nuclear power is irrational given the facts.  The 
problems with contamination and the bulk of the storage problems, with 
nuclear waste, were caused by development of the bomb.  A great deal of this 
occured before we were aware of the long term problems and the types of 
materials used in processing bomb grade nuclear material.  Breathing is 
dangerous, why don't we all stop doing that.

I heard a snippet on the news a few weeks ago about a low tech way to 
produce power from a nuclear reaction.  Think I heard that it doesn't 
produce the super long life radioactive byproducts and cannot self destruct 
like our current technology.  Unfortunately, the regulators are so paranoid 
becuasue it is 'nuclear' that they won't let larger scale development 
procede without all the safeguards of our current dangerous technology.  
Because of the regulators, its too expensive to even think about and 
research money is not available.  Any one know what this technology is???

In the 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' vein, hear that those that 
haven't died of the immediate and radiation caused secondary effects of the 
bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are living longer and healthier 
lives than their non exposed counter parts.  Looks like a little radiation 
may be a good thing.  Anybody want to volunteer to find out what 'little' 
is??

For all the bunny lovers, hear that wildlife is flourishing in the areas 
closed by the Chernobyl disaster.  That should make the 'natural' crowd 
support nuclear disasters.

Are you Canadian's really happy with the coal fired electrical generation 
byproducts drifting up into your neck of the woods???  I'm amazed that so 
many people love the real and present danger of acid rain while denying 
construction of clean and safe power generation systems.

Talking about engine swaps, wouldn't a little nuclear reactor that you only 
had to fill up once, and drive forever, be a dandy source of power for the 
old series.  Eliminate the problem of high fuel consumption and pollution of 
the Petrol engines.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
Kona Coffee Rover
1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering
     from exposure of the dark side.
1966 109 pickup 'slime'  In my garage since '90, finally up and running 
12/00.
1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava.
196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will
     certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust

>From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
>Simon no doubt you are right but sometime a topic comes up that can't be 
>ignored and the dangers of nuclear power is one of those because I want to 
>be able to drive and repair my Land Rover for anther 50 years.
>John and Muddy
>
>SJH wrote:
> >
> > So nukes, Love Canal and personal injury lawyers have what to do with
> > Land Rovers?  And no, I am not a PI lawyer, I actually spend my time
> > defending personal injury claims brought by Ambulance chasers... (But if
> > I or a family member werereally injured (as opposed to most of the soft
> > tissue injury crap I see), I'd want to be able to bring a claim for
> > it...)
> >
> > And yeah, I do know how to use my delete button, but the non LR stuff is
> > getting a tad thick lately dontchy'all think?
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This message and any attachments to it are
> > intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or
> > confidential information.  If you are not the intended recipient, please
> > kill yourself and permanently delete the original and any copy of this
> > message.
> >
> > Simon J. Harding
> > Attorney at Law
> > Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C.
> > 503.223.4131
> > [email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:05:12 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re:   Frank Elson,  The Quest for Tunesmiths

Frank Elson

Since most of the music I like is as old as my rovers, have a question for 
you.  I was going through my old vinyl records of the Stones and kept coming 
across Nanker Phelg as the writer of many of their early songs.  Was there a 
guy named Nanker Phelg (did his parents hate him) or are these the last 
names of two people??  They wrote many of the Stones best songs but I've 
never heard anything about them, either then or now.  Can you enlighten 
me???

Aloha
Peter

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:11:53 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Clutch and Brakes

Sorry to be a bore, but does anyone have a schematic of the way to assemble
a clutch master cylinder and a brake master cylinder for a single circuit
non-servo 1967 SWB Landrover. It has a single round reservoir with two
chambers in it for the fluid. Amazingly, I took the "brake" master out of
the clutch master position and am now trying to put it back the way it
should be.
Thanks,
Mark Pilkington

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:12 -0700
From: "Rich Williams II" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

The Series II step is rectangular.  I have one on my 109sw and I have seen
similar ones in Land Rover factory literature.

This does look to be similar is size and shape but looks like it is barely
hanging on, it's position does look kinda funny.

Rich Williams
Series II 109 SW

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed

>
> Re: Step:
>
> Don;t want to argue with you John (I've never even SEEN a Series II step),
> but the taillights on that beast don't look like Sparto lights or even
> earlier Lucas ones. The step may be S.II, but opinion on the IIa taillight
> lenses?
>
>                     ajr
>
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:19:57 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: re: power

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
 
> I heard a snippet on the news a few weeks ago about a low tech way to
> produce power from a nuclear reaction.  Think I heard that it doesn't
> produce the super long life radioactive byproducts and cannot self destruct
> like our current technology.  Unfortunately, the regulators are so paranoid
> becuasue it is 'nuclear' that they won't let larger scale development
> procede without all the safeguards of our current dangerous technology.
> Because of the regulators, its too expensive to even think about and
> research money is not available.  Any one know what this technology is???

Possibly pebble bed modular reactors. You can actually hold the pellets
of fuel in your hands (baseball sized). Read a paper on it at
http://www.uilondon.org/sym/1999/kemm.htm
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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