Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #316

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:10:03 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 316

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:34:17 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Ketchikan, Alaska

Hi all,

Good friend of mine will be leaving Georgia in August to take up residence in Ketchikan, Alaska and seeks a late IIa or III 109 SW.  Anyone out that way?

Thanks,

Ron Ward

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:17:04 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Newly-acquired NAS SIII

Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:29:09 -0400
From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Newly-acquired NAS SIII

>I took the plunge and purchased a 1973 NAS SIII to keep my Disco II
company.  I am having it shipped from Florida and it will eventually end
up in Manchester, Vermont. Anyone know good mechanics around there?
Also, I am trying to locate a mint condition set of delivery documents
like the owners manual, a dealer list, passport ot service, etc.  I have
the originals but they are tatty.

Rovers North, probably the best Land Rover parts and technical 
information source in the US, is located in Westford, Vermont.  They 
have a website, or you can call them at (802)879-0032.  I'm sure they 
can help you find someone who can work on your vehicle.

Finding a set of mint-condition documents will not be easy.  I have 
all the papers that came with my SIII in 1973, and they are all in 
pretty good shape except the owner's manual, which got used 
a lot.  You can get reprints of the manuals from the LRO (Land 
Rover Owner Magazine International) bookshop (they have a 
website).  But if you want original manuals, Passport to Service, 
etc., I suspect that might be hard.

One thing you might try is to contact some very established Land 
Rover dealers in the UK.  It's remotely conceivable that they might 
have a stash of some of these pamphlets, manuals, etc. in a box 
in the back room.  It's not likely, but it is possible....

There are people who collect these kinds of things, and you might 
be able to locate someone either through this list or through the club 
lists in magazines like LROI.

You might want to contact the Land Rover "museum" in the 
UK.  What is it called, the Dunsfold (sp?) Trust?  They have a large 
collection of old, stock Land Rovers and they may have a lot of the 
paperwork that went with them.  If they only have a few examples of 
the Series III Passport to Service, they probably wouldn't want to part 
with them.  But you never know what they might have until you ask.

Another potential source of the whereabouts of this sort of material 
is James Taylor (not the singer).  He used to write the Land Rover 
history articles for LROI magazine, but I believe he's shifted over to 
Land Rover World or Land Rover Magazine (LRM).  He seems to be 
a wealth of knowledge about the vehicle's history, and he might have 
some leads for tracking down what you're after.

At least you have the original documents, however tatty they may be.  
If nothing else, perhaps an experienced book restoration firm could 
do something with them so they at least don't get any worse.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:28:19 -1000
From: "Peter Ogilvie" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: LRs in WWII movies

Though some Shermans did have the radial engine, think it was not the 
standard engine.  Think the radial was in the ones designed for wading at 
Normandy.  Don't know what the standard engine was though it was gasoline 
and prone to barbecuing its crew.

How did the Israelis modify the Sherman??  They supposedly modified them so 
they were quite a good tank.  They used them at least into the 70's, I think 
because of these mod's.

Aloha
Peter

>From: "Larry Smith" <[email-masked]>
>No, actually a Wright Whirlwind radial.  Quite reliable actually.
>Non-synchro transmission.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:32:05 -0400
From: "Perrone Ford" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Newly-acquired NAS SIII

If you don't mind my asking.. who did you secure your Land Rover from?  I am
wondering if it is someone I am trying to contact (Tony Woodward).

Thanks,

- -Perrone

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of Faure, Marin
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:17 PM
> To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
> Cc: [email-masked]'
> Subject: LRO: Re: Newly-acquired NAS SIII
>
>
> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:29:09 -0400
> From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: Newly-acquired NAS SIII
>
> >I took the plunge and purchased a 1973 NAS SIII to keep my Disco II
> company.  I am having it shipped from Florida and it will eventually end
> up in Manchester, Vermont. Anyone know good mechanics around there?
> Also, I am trying to locate a mint condition set of delivery documents
> like the owners manual, a dealer list, passport ot service, etc.  I have
> the originals but they are tatty.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:34:49 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: power

Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:14:00 -0700
From: SJH <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: re:  power

>And yeah, I do know how to use my delete button, but the non LR stuff is   
getting a tad thick lately dontchy'all think?

So what would you like to talk about?  The torque settings for a 
Series door hinge bolt?  There is nothing stopping anyone from 
posting "legitimate" Land Rover messages to this forum, however 
you define those.  Someone's comment on nuclear power does 
not automatically delete someone else's comment on clutch 
bleeding.  If we followed your rules and posted strictly Land 
Rover messages, I suspect this group would soon be as boring as 
the ones supporting other makes that I've looked at occasionally.

I get the digest and scroll down the list of posts scanning the subject lines.  
I read what looks interesting and ignore the rest.  Sometimes there's nothing 
on the list that looks interesting to me, so I've spent what, 30 seconds?  Other 
times there are things that appear interesting, so I spend more time.

But maybe all e-mail systems don't work like the ones I have at work and 
at home.  Maybe having a lot of messages in a digest bogs your computer 
down something fierce.  I know people who were on systems in the UK awhile 
back that had this problem with a canalboat digest.  So if that's what's prompted 
your complaint about the content of the list, I don't have an answer but I 
sympathize with your software frustration.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:54:29 -0400
From: "Jean-Leon Morin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter)

> worthless lumps we're installing.  Alas, I'm certain that 20 year old kids
> in the year 2001 will understand that we so poorly engineered these things
> that they have to be rebuilt by their owners to be any good

First of all, how much class you have at making an attack on such a personal
level. Do you feel better now? I don't particularly feel I should even
respond to your post, but I will as it makes a blatantly obvious attack to
me. Unless you were thinking of another 20 yr old who has done an engine
change. Bravo, what a coup. I'm sorry to say I am sinking to your level in
the following.

I'm so glad you feel this way. It makes me want to keep on going and swap
out those rover axles for the Dana's (Not salisburys. Danas), and run my 8
bolt wheels, when I see a spark plug collecting purist like yourself being
up in arms about cutting up a IIA. It makes me realise that by cutting up a
Land-Rover, I am distancing myself from you gang of wackos that think a beat
up III is a prime example of automotive engineering, and should be restored
to as-new condition.

After all, once I'm done, I'll be able to say that even with a simple body
left, I'll still have more rover in my ford than you have in that restored
beauty of yours.

I'm happy to say that I will soon have another pair of land rovers, both
IIA's, on in extremely good original shape, in my posession, bringing the
total up to 4. It makes me feel good that I know these will not end up as
jewellery in some old guy's garage, rotting there, because he gets a kick of
having boys look at it at car shows. I'm glad they will end up being used
like they were used for the past 30 years, as daily drivers, as snowplows.
My new IIA will be stock however, as I like original things as well, but I
can assure you I will do everything in my power as to assure it does not end
up in the hands of a collector like yourself. By trying to preserve utmost
correctness, you are stripping your land rover of the very spirit that makes
it a L-R.

J-L

>
> All this engine swapping nonsense shows a complete lack of understanding
of
> Rover's history and how the Land-Rover came about.  I guess that's what
> happens when people buy them because they "look cool".  The cool looks
wear
> thin after a short while and they can't and don't satisfy these peoples'
> need for a modern car and, thus, they start in on engine conversions.
It's
> too bad that perspective buyers can't rent a Series Land-Rover for a
couple
> of weeks to find out if they really do want one.  (Before any of you get
> any ideas, I thought of this renting scheme first!)  I have an idea that
> most would shy away from them and be asking for a refund, probably before
> the lease contract had more than a few days used up.  (Personally, if I
had
> such a Land-Rover leasing business, I'd only rent them out during December
> and January and make certain that the only heater allowed to be installed
> in my fleet would be the infamous Smiths shin-burners.  I'd also only rent
> Is, IIs and IIAs with no overdrives and the earlier transmissions with
> unsynchronized first and second gears.  That ought to cure the "man those
> things look cool" crowd in no time.)
>
> About seven years ago, being an admirer of all things Rover, I nearly
> bought a '66 Rover 2000SC from a college student:  it had been bought
> merely based on the fact that it "was funky".  The idiot hadn't a clue
> about how to care for the car and used DOT 3 to top off the fluid
> reservoir.  Naturally, the rubber in the brake system quickly
> self-destructed and to alleviate the problem, a bottle of "Heavy Duty DOT
> 3" was purchased (I found the bottle in the boot.)  Of course, the car
> wouldn't stop and since the kid was too dumb and proud to ask a question
or
> try to analyze what had gone wrong, the car was for sale as someone else's
> problem to solve.  The deal fell through and I later found out that a
> salvage yard was called to haul the car away.  I was told the kid got paid
> $25 for the "funky car."  The moral is that if the kid had bother to learn
> something about the car, it might still be on the road rather than having
> been crushed.  What a shame, it was a really nice, original P6.
>
> Hot rods hold no appeal for me.  I was en route to Asheville, NC about a
> year ago and decided to stay over in Pigeon Forge, TN and drive through
the
> Smokies to get to Asheville.  Unbeknownst to me, there was a hot rod meet
> going on and the things were everywhere--like flies on fresh...  Anyhow,
> being a car nut, I felt that I had to take a few minutes to at least look
> at the ones in the hotel parking lot before I left.  There they were:
> Fords with Chevy engines, Chryslers with Ford engines and Chevys with Ford
> powerplants, etc.  The interiors were completely modified and basically
the
> cars were unidentifiable save for the body shells they were built up from.
> Some were for sale and I couldn't believe the asking prices.  Needless to
> say, there were few buyers and I walked away wondering how a price could
be
> set on these contraptions.  What's a 1940s Chevy bodyshell with a
> late-model Ford engine and a Pontiac rear end worth? Who knows.  One thing
> I was surprised to learn was that there are companies out there that
> essentially sell their customers all the parts needed to "build up"
certain
> cars that are popular hot rod targets.  Build a hot rod by the numbers, or
> something like that.  At least this ensures that some level of proper
> engineering goes into the end result.  In the midst of all these hot rods
> was a lost looking and completely stock Triumph TR6.  I spent more time
> examining it than all the hundreds of Yank Tank hot rods combined.
>
> The thing that bothers me about these homemade hybrids is that they are
not
> being designed by automotive engineers.  For that matter, they're not even
> being approached in a very scientific manner at all.  Engineering or
> re-engineering a car is not for amateurs; for that matter, even the
experts
> can develop things that are deathtraps (the grossly overpowered Sunbeam
> Tiger and A.C. Cobra are prime examples of a legitimate [i.e.
> factory-built] hybrids that could be downright dangerous in the hands of
an
> inexperienced driver.)  I have to seriously question the abilities of some
> of the people currently contemplating re-engineering their Land-Rovers.
Do
> these people have the capabilities to perform testing with computer models
> of how all their modifications will work out?  I doubt it.  They certainly
> can't build a series prototypes to help envision what the finished
> product's dynamics will be like.  Most car companies build test mule after
> mule in an attempt to get everything right. With these amateur engine
> swaps, it's simply a matter of do it and hope for the best.  And what
> happens when they fail to create the ultimate Land-Rover-bodied bastard?
> It will be difficult to find a buyer for the thing who wants to drive it
> (especially if the truth is revealed about what a mess the vehicle is)
and,
> sadly, prices for scrap iron and aluminum have plummeted in recent years.
>
> Someone mentioned that these "hybrids" are an essential part of
> Land-Rover's history--that the make's history has been recorded and
written
> with these creations as an integral part thereof.  I would argue that they
> are not even a footnote.  Does the Motor Heritage Trust go out seeking
> hacked up Land-Rovers with Iron Dukes in them?  Hardly.  What is in their
> collection?  Vehicles like HUE 166--which was bought back from a farmer
who
> had owned and used it for years and hadn't "re-engined" it.  Does anyone
> ever discussed these vehicles after the fact?  I've never heard anyone
> concerning themselves about John Q. Public's Volkswagen-diesel powered
> Land-Rover bodied bastard after John Q. does his conversion--no one cares
> after a few months or years.  If these things are so important in the
> greater scheme of Land-Rover history, why aren't they detailed and
> discussed in depth in books dealing with Land-Rover history?  Could it be
> because they aren't part of the history that the manufacturer was
> responsible for?  Obviously, the manufacturer (as well as many others)
does
> not recognize the Land-Rover-bodied bastards as being Land-Rovers and why
> should they?  They aren't anything more than a Land-Rover bodyshell in the
> end.
>
> Speaking of hot rods, there's an interesting one locally--it's based on a
> Citroen 15CV.  Yes, it's fascinating that someone put a Chevy engine and
> rear end in it, though what a shame to chop up what is a quite scarce car
> on this side of the Atlantic.  In this transition, it's lost all of its
> original French charm that made it uniquely Citroen; now it's just a
> collection of parts.  Hell, it's even lost its famous "traction avant" in
> this futile attempt to create a better Big 15.  Is there a single auto
> museum that would want this thing in their collection?  I doubt the Henry
> Ford Museum or Harrah's have been in contact.  Basically, that's the
> problem with cutting up and mutilating a Land-Rover:  what these
Land-Rover
> engine swappers are doing is creating collections of unrelated parts that
> have no value except to their owners and no provenance.  These conversions
> have no future because they have no regard for the past.
>
> Brian Willoughby
> 1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W.--"The Lady Eleanor"
>

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:13:59 -0400
From: "James G.Wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Darkness

>
>No, don't worry.  It's too dark in California for anyone to find their 
>way out, so I wouldn't expect to see anyone from that state up 
>here in the foreseeable future (thank God...)

Hey Marin, as they said in "The Never Endin Story" the darkness is on the
move in the land!! Better buy lots of batteries.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:30:09 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Don't read this if all you are interested in is Land Rovers.

Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:42:26 -0400
From: "Paul Gussack" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Wasted Yutes attn: Marin

>You lambaste
the "eco-freaks" as misinformed youths who protest and get results through
their actions.  This is something we, as any citizen, have the right in the
U. S. to do.

Yes, it is, but that's not what bothers me.  What bothers me is that 
there is an increasing lack of understanding of the relationships between 
issues.  I agree it sometimes takes extreme measures to bring a problem 
to the attention of the people who can do something about it.  But what I'm 
seeing is an increasing tendency to "knee-jerk" a solution, instead of applying 
logic and reason to finding a long-term solution that will have the best results 
across the board.

>In most cases the protests are not blow up the plants and go back to sticks
and stones but to reevaluate how these operations are run.

I think that's the intention of SOME of the protesters.  But as we've seen
right here in Seattle, for example, what starts out as a legitimate and 
well-reasoned demonstration to make a point turns into an excuse for 
violence, irrational actions, and uncompromising positions.

>The bottom line is don't complain to the list about what you don't like,
write your government.  They will listen.  I honestly believe that.

One of the DISadvantages of getting older is that you realize how 
ineffectual government really is.  After all, government isn't an entity 
of itself, its just a collection of people doing different jobs.  As such, all the 
problems you find in any company or industry are present in government, 
only there isn't the pressure to make a profit.  So government tends to 
become a catch-all for folks who would not be very successful in private 
industry or business.  The thing that gets results in government is greed.  
Same as outside the government.  Greed is a short-term catalyst.  "I want 
it now."  Which brings me back to my original point, which is that more and 
more decisions are being made with less and less thought to the long-term 
consequences.  Age has nothing to do with this, by the way.

Sure, it'd be great to have a pollution-free world.  Maybe people will get 
there someday if they don't kill each other off first.  But arbitrarily throwing 
people out of work in the name of "progress" isn't necessarily the best way 
to do it.  It's easy for us to discuss the situation at the mill in Bellingham on  
this list.  None of us work there, so far as I know.  It's a news item, a statistic, 
an example that you and I are using to make our points.  But try to put yourself 
in the position of one of those mill workers for a moment.  You're 50 years old, 
have eight years with the company, a family, aren't qualified for retirement benefits 
yet, and you have a job that provides sufficient income to support your family  
and allows you to enjoy some perks, like ordering a Turner unleaded head for your 
Land Rover rebuild project.

Then you're told that in 90 days, no more job.  At 50, you're not going to become a 
dot.com whiz.  That may be the future for your kids, but you're not thinking 
about that, you're wondering what are YOU going to do next.  You're not going 
to go out to dinner anymore, which means your favorite restaurant loses some 
business.  Multiply this by the number of people out of work, and maybe the 
restaurant has to close or lay off staff.   You're going to cancel the Turner 
unleaded head order.  Maybe that's the straw that breaks the parts supplier's 
back, and they decide to bail on the Land Rover business.  That potentially 
affects all of us on this list.

Everything's connected, but fewer and fewer people seem to see that.  
Hoof and mouth disease, or the threat of it, is devastating farmers 
throughout the UK.  We all know that, we hear about it on the news.  
But my friend who owns a canalboat hire company in Middlewich is 
on the verge of going out of business, too.  Why?  
Because the government is restricting all forms of travel, and canals pass 
through a lot of dairy and sheep country.  His bookings were up for this year, 
but now his boats can't move.  I'm not making a statement about the 
policies in the UK about hoof and mouth, simply trying to illustrate that you 
can't do one thing and expect nothing else to be affected.

The one thing you can count on these days is that nobody, regardless 
of age, is invulnerable to being thrown out of work.  Put yourself in 
the position of a millworker in Bellingham, and 
then think about the uncompromising attitude of the 
environmental groups, the power companies, and the local, 
state, and federal governments that caused this to happen.

I'm sorry this doesn't contain information on how to bleed a 
clutch or what adapter to use to put a Pratt & Whitney 
R-985 Wasp Jr. into a Series IIa.  But I think it's an important 
thing to be thinking about.
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:52:33 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Coil and Flasher

curve off the RPM,  Pretty common these days,  Some times done by the
ECU, but mostly by the ignitor

Chris Hall
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:04:34 -0400 "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> 
> it preforms dwell compensation.
> 
> How is it managing that? Vacuum attachment, or a curve off RPM?
> 
>                     ajr
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:21:23 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Engine Balancing

To add to this the parts aren't out of balance by design.  Manufacturing
tolerances are the cause of balance problems.  You just might have the
engine where every thing went right and it will be in balance already. 
If you don't have a good relationship with the shop they will still
charge you full price to just check a well balanced engine, and then tell
you how much work it was to get your engine balanced.  

Chris hall
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:20:02 -0500 Bill Adams <[email-masked]> writes:
> Balancing only means that the pistons, con rods and crankshaft will 
> be
> checked to see if they are within 1-2 grams of one another. The 
> crank
> gets spun and checked for harmonic imbalance.
> All this is to help when she spins up to high rpms. At lower, like 
> 3K
> and below, the forces aren't all that great to necessitate the 
> effort.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Adams
> 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director
> International Broadcasting Bureau
> Washington, D.C.
> 202-205-9638
> [email-masked]
> 
> 
> '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel
> '81 GoldWing
> '69 Le Sabre Convertible
> '63 Pearson Vanguard
> "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching"
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:16:34 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Power

OK lets try three mile island, 23rd anniversary was last week.  If the
operators had let the automated controls handle it, it would have been no
problem.  Not much radioactive release but very close to core melt.  

Chris hall
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:18:21 -0700 "Faure, Marin"
<[email-masked]> writes:
> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300
> From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
> Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth)
> 
> >However to all those who  try to assure us that nuclear is non 
> poluting
> have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl.
> 
> The problem with using Chernobyl as an example of the nuclear power 
> 
> generation industry in action is that the Chernobyl plant was a 
> shining 
> example of how to do everything wrong in designing, operating, and 
> maintaining a nuclear power plant.  If that type of plant was 
> state-of-
> the-art in nuclear power plants, then I would agree nuclear's not a 
> good 
> way to go.  But in fact, a nuclear plant can be designed, operated, 
> and 
> maintained to be as reliable and safe as any other form of power 
> generation 
> except possibly hydro.
> ___________________________
> C. Marin Faure
>   (original owner)
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>   Seattle
> 
> _________________________________________
> C. Marin Faure
> Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
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> mobile (206)650-5622
> fax: (425)393-7741
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> 

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:02:44 -0000
From: "N Forbes" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Power

>The spent fuel problem has been solved.  It can be buried in a number of
>geologically safe areas where it could be left to decay into anonimity.

Yeah, that's a practical solution. Land fills are running out of room all 
over the place, but that wouldn't happen with spent fuel dumps.

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm

"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron.
My God! Perhaps I am!"
- --author unknown

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:10:37 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

Hey fellows,
I now own two cars older than me.  Sorry my latest acquisition isn't a
rover.  I'm about to start a frameover on Mrs. Merdle (65 IIA) and was
planning on buying a bicycle or using LPCs (Leather Personnel Carriers)
to get wherever I went, but then a cool Mercedes I walk by every day on
my way to class turned up with a "For Sale" sign in it one a.m.  It's a
'67 250SE.  Test drove and compression tested it tonight.  Not mint, but
probably cooler for all the quirks.  The guy kept telling me what didn't
work and I kept saying "I haven't had that for 5 years now."

So now I can start the frameover, and when I realize I need more bolts (I
initially typed "nuts" but then had to change it to bolts b/c of all you
dirty-minded rover owners out there) I can drive to the store for 'em. 
And I'll have something to lend my pickup owning friend when I borrow his
truck to take my bulkhead, breakfast, t-pieces, and trim to the
galvanizers in Denver.

bill

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 19:36:09 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: To be a Land Rover or not to be a Land Rover - that is the	 question

>Another technique is the Terri-Anne technique - confuse the Landy for quite a
>while so that it forgets who/what it really is, and then you can do almost
>anything with it

Right you are.  I took a clapped out series II with a lot of missing 
parts, I started by adding some IIA front and rear light assemblies to 
replace the broken Series II ones that I could not locate at the time.  I 
followed it up by replacing the totally worn out steering box with a late 
IIA good condition used one.   Unfortunately it meant a plastic spoked 
steering wheel and the horn button on the arm was replaced by the one 
that came in the later steering wheel's centre.  I got a steering column 
mounted turn signal switch with the column so the nonworking lever on a 
small instrument panel went away too.

Then 13 years later, I opted to dump my engine in favour of a series III 
power plant with 8:1 compression.

Then 5 years later I got really crazy  and installed a Series III dual 
power brake system and a 109 station wagon fuel tank along with a second 
109 front fuel tank to replace the old leaking factory aux tank.  The 
filler assembly came from a Land Rover Defender high Capacity pickup.

Later that very year I found myself camping in the Pacific North West for 
two weeks of almost continuous rain.  I experienced the joys of trying to 
run a Coleman white gas stove and propane lantern inside the back of a 
109.  Of sitting there with my hair rubbing against the ceiling and 
getting caught in the roof vent mechanisms.  Then trying to move things 
around so I could get room to lay out my sleeping bag.  It was during 
that trip that I started thinking about converting my Land Rover's rear 
bed into a camper.  After much research I decided to base the camper 
conversion on a Land Rover Dormobile.

Two years later after breaking my sixth rear axle, I opted for a Land 
Rover series III 109 rear axle and prop shaft.

That Fall, while on a 3 month long camping trip I was run off the road in 
Wyoming by an 18 wheeler.  He was coming up from behind at the posted 
speed limit.  I of course was driving along as fast as I could with the 
pedal to the metal.  Rather than slow to to about half his speed he opted 
to pass.  He just didn't notice that there was a bend in the road and 
another 18 wheeler coming in the other direction.  He decided to move 
back into my lane instead of being part of an 18 wheeler to 18 wheeler 
head on at a combined rate of over 100 MPH.  I decided that I would 
prefer to go off roading rather then to come into contact with those huge 
tyres.

Once I got the Land Rover stopped and ran a visual inspection for 
suspension damage I found myself thinking about all the other close calls 
from impatient people passing on blind curves/hills  and those times when 
I was on the freeway at night or in storms with big rigs coming at my 
tail at close to twice my speed.  That was when I really started 
seriously considering that additional horse power would make my Land 
Rover a lot safer to drive.

I first thought about using one of those Buick V8s that Rover has been 
using.  But listening to people on the e-mail lists, those things seem 
pretty fragile, don't get very good fuel mileage.  American versions have 
tons of fragile electronics and just a water pump is about $300.  So I 
decided to look for something a whole lot more reliable with better fuel 
mileage and way cheaper parts.

So almost two years ago I further confused my car by swapping out the non 
stock engine for another non stock engine and gearbox.

To confuse my poor car even more I added Defender V8 labels and a 
Discover Series II badge to my rear tailgate.

So yes my poor car is very confused, but she is a whole lot safer to 
drive in American traffic, new water pumps can be had for under $30 and I 
no longer catch my hair on the ceiling in the back.

The only downside is that I have discovered that steering my 109 was an 
important component of my exercise program.  I have lost arm strength 
with the Scout II power steering.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:38:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, William J. Rice wrote:

:Hey fellows,
:I now own two cars older than me.  Sorry my latest acquisition isn't a
:rover.  I'm about to start a frameover on Mrs. Merdle (65 IIA) and was
:planning on buying a bicycle or using LPCs (Leather Personnel Carriers)
:to get wherever I went, but then a cool Mercedes I walk by every day on
:my way to class turned up with a "For Sale" sign in it one a.m.  It's a
:'67 250SE.  Test drove and compression tested it tonight.  Not mint, but
:probably cooler for all the quirks.  The guy kept telling me what didn't
:work and I kept saying "I haven't had that for 5 years now."

There nifty looking.  Sedan, Coupe, Convertible?  Hope you don't want to fix
the things that don't work.  Mercedes parts are expensive.

David
- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:43:43 -0600
From: "William J. Rice" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Hey, I just bought a new car! (no rover content)

There nifty looking.  Sedan, Coupe, Convertible?  Hope you don't want to
fix
the things that don't work.  Mercedes parts are expensive.
 
David

It's a sedan.  For some reason I thought it was a '71 and I called the
owner asking him if it was indeed a 250SE, b/c I just found out they
didn't make any of those in 71.  He told me it was a 67.  
Amazing that Mercedes was using fuel injection in 67 and my 1980 Pontiac
motor is carbureted.
I don't think I'm going to bother fixing much, though I just did some
internet snooping and discovered that used parts really aren't bad.  I
may replace the windshield and convert the electric (not working) windows
to manual if that's an economical course of action.  I also will probably
replace the bowling-trophy dude hood ornament w/ the proper Mercedes
Star, though I could get some checker-pattern sticker rolls and make it a
mod mobile and leave the bowler on . . .

bill

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:07:25 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

[email-masked] wrote:

>     Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact that
> the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the start
> of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating.

Um, fair point, however it doesn't mean or prove anything. Your sample
is tiny (given the history of the Earth), and only spans the era when
testing has been possible, so we have no way of knowing whether ozone
depletion and warming isn't cyclical, or whether it isn't perhaps
declining in the long term (one or two millennia).

>     The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be is
> that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much.

Environmental eschatology is a growth industry. Since the dawn of human
habitation on this planet it's been popular to postulate that we have
reached an apocalyptic 'end time', we create myths and fables about our
own demise. We even have Chicken Little coining the phrase "The sky's
falling!" to fret over our fear of a fiery and sticky comeuppance.

Thirty years ago it was nuclear holocaust, today it's CO2 and global
warming, what next? 

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:15:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Rest assured that Ford will not produce a car with A GM power plant.

Um, OK, fair point (most South Africans are still blissfully aware of
most US car manufacturers and models), I meant Lincoln.

> As to where they will all be built? Who knows, especially after the complete Defender line is reintroduced in the US.

Apparently L-R does, and the word is that it's all gonna happen in
Ford's facility outside Pretoria.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:35:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing

Paul Oxley wrote:
> "...blissfully aware..."

Sorry, make that "blissfully UNaware..." :-{)}

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:04:46 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: LRs in WWII movies

> How did the Israelis modify the Sherman??  They supposedly modified them
so
> they were quite a good tank.  They used them at least into the 70's, I
think
> because of these mod's.
Heavier suspension and a bigger gun mainly.  Have some pictures somewhere
Pete

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:03:14 +0100
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Engine Balancing

On Thursday 05 April 2001  9:20 pm, you wrote:
> Balancing only means that the pistons, con rods and crankshaft will
> be checked to see if they are within 1-2 grams of one another. The
> crank gets spun and checked for harmonic imbalance.
> All this is to help when she spins up to high rpms. At lower, like
> 3K and below, the forces aren't all that great to necessitate the
> effort.
This is true,

However (you knew this was coming, didn't you :), when you want to 
accelerate, a balanced engine will pick up quicker, and settle down 
quicker.

It will also tick-over more smoothly (and quietly)

- -- 
           --==**==--
Ian Stuart - EdINA, DataLibrary, University computing services.
- ---------------------------------
Truth is what you believe it to be.
  I cannot force my facts on you, only make you believe my beliefs.
- ---------------------------------
http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:04:21 +1200
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Re: Re: Youth

I think that all those who were rejected from the Australian intake were
absorbed by the USA... as they say "the melting pot of humanity"

Written on behalf of the South Pacific members
I don't know where the information came from either!!

Macka
NZ

- -----Original Message-----
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Date: Friday, 6 April 2001 01:28
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Re: Youth

>
>
>> I am saddened to see you met moronic people in my neck of the woods
>> Marin.....
>>
>> Andrew MacGowan (25)
>> Auckland
>> New Zealand
>>
> It was once read that NZ was deporting all those with an IQ lower
>than 50 to Oz. The effect would be to raise the average IQ of both
>countries.
>
> (Duck, hide, enter witness protection program)
> This note written on behalf of Marin
> I don't know where the information came from :-{)
>

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:08:35 +1200
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

China V USA WW3??????

;-)

Macka
NZ

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oxley <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Date: Friday, 6 April 2001 18:16
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

>[email-masked] wrote:
>
>>     Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact
that
>> the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the
start
>> of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating.
>
>Um, fair point, however it doesn't mean or prove anything. Your sample
>is tiny (given the history of the Earth), and only spans the era when
>testing has been possible, so we have no way of knowing whether ozone
>depletion and warming isn't cyclical, or whether it isn't perhaps
>declining in the long term (one or two millennia).
>
>>     The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be is
>> that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much.
>
>Environmental eschatology is a growth industry. Since the dawn of human
>habitation on this planet it's been popular to postulate that we have
>reached an apocalyptic 'end time', we create myths and fables about our
>own demise. We even have Chicken Little coining the phrase "The sky's
>falling!" to fret over our fear of a fiery and sticky comeuppance.
>
>Thirty years ago it was nuclear holocaust, today it's CO2 and global
>warming, what next?
>
>Regards
>
>Paul Oxley
>AfricanAdrenalin.com
>

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