Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #313

From: [email-masked] (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:58:54 -0400

LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 313

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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:30:46 -1000
From: "Hope Peter" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Weber 34 ICH

Well, the 32 ICH kit was pretty easy to get so I ordered one while I was
waiting for the 32/34dmtl kit and some other parts to arrive.
Went ahead and rebuilt the carb today.  Have a dip tank, so soaked the
striped parts over night.  Blew out all the passages with compressed air.
Set the float level.  Replaced all the parts.  Installed on vehicle.
Thing still runs like crap.  Have to have the idle screw turned in about 5-6
turns, so far thet the butterfly is into the transition area.  It also has a
terrible hesitation on rapid aceleration.  From an idle if I go straight to
full throttle, it stalls.
Have double checked all the manifold bolts.  Checked for vacuum leaks with
carb clean.  Nothing.
When looking at the bottom flange, manifold mounting area of the carb, there
are 3 holes in the base. Two of these holes are plugged with lead balls, one
is not.  The gasket isn't notched for this 'port'.  There is also a 4th port
that is near the shoulder, but more in the throat of the venturi.  This
leads to the external vacuum port for the dizzy.
So anyone have a 32ich laying about?  I can snap a few pics and send to you
to show what I am talking about.
Should all 3 of the holes be filled, or should I notch the gasket?
I am thinking of plugging the feed to the brake booster, and plugging the
vacume advance port and seeing if there is any difference.
I am so stumped with this one.
1970 Ser IIa 2.25 petrol 8:1 head, stock dizzy and ignition.  Plugs are new.
Points, valve and timing are spot on.  Compression is 138-145psi.

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Date: 5 Apr 2001 00:00:55 -0700
From: Bryan Hoult <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Weber 34 ICH

Pete,

That 3rd port on the bottom of my 34ICH is blocked by the gasket as well.  I just rebuilt mine too, so I remember thinking "hmmm" as I reassembled it.  Mine chokes and sputters quite a bit off throttle, and I am pulling my hair out over what's wrong.  I think I may have a vacuum leak, but I haven't been able to find it.  Mine will back fire and miss when I'm going down hill off throttle.  If I rev it a bit as I come off the gas, it seems to behave a bit better.

Best of luck.

Bryan

On Wed, 04 April 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote:

> 
> Well, the 32 ICH kit was pretty easy to get so I ordered one while I was
> waiting for the 32/34dmtl kit and some other parts to arrive.
> Went ahead and rebuilt the carb today.  Have a dip tank, so soaked the
> striped parts over night.  Blew out all the passages with compressed air.
> Set the float level.  Replaced all the parts.  Installed on vehicle.
> Thing still runs like crap.  Have to have the idle screw turned in about 5-6
> turns, so far thet the butterfly is into the transition area.  It also has a
> terrible hesitation on rapid aceleration.  From an idle if I go straight to
> full throttle, it stalls.
> Have double checked all the manifold bolts.  Checked for vacuum leaks with
> carb clean.  Nothing.
> When looking at the bottom flange, manifold mounting area of the carb, there
> are 3 holes in the base. Two of these holes are plugged with lead balls, one
> is not.  The gasket isn't notched for this 'port'.  There is also a 4th port
> that is near the shoulder, but more in the throat of the venturi.  This
> leads to the external vacuum port for the dizzy.
> So anyone have a 32ich laying about?  I can snap a few pics and send to you
> to show what I am talking about.
> Should all 3 of the holes be filled, or should I notch the gasket?
> I am thinking of plugging the feed to the brake booster, and plugging the
> vacume advance port and seeing if there is any difference.
> I am so stumped with this one.
> 1970 Ser IIa 2.25 petrol 8:1 head, stock dizzy and ignition.  Plugs are new.
> Points, valve and timing are spot on.  Compression is 138-145psi.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:24:09 -0700
From: Ben Mitchell <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Wasted youth

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On
> Behalf Of Faure, Marin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:12 PM
> To: 'Land Rover Mail Group'
> Subject: LRO: RE: Wasted youth

> By the way, the "they don't make 'em like they used to"
> statement applies as much to people as it does to vehicles.....

Marin, if you're any indication of how they used to make them, I'd consider
this an encouraging sign.

Happy whittling,

- -Ben Mitchell
'70 SIIA 88"
'94 D90

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:29:00 +0100
From: "Steve Mace" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kelly's Heroes : Re: LRs in WWII movies

and it was on the box about two nights ago...

Good entertainment value.

On 4 Apr 2001, at 12:57, Paul Quin wrote:

> Makes me think of the scene from "Kelly's Heroes" where Donald Sutherland's
> driver trades his Sherman for his dream Tiger.  He was very shocked to find
> out just how bad the conditions were inside the Tiger.  At least that movie
> (Starring Clint Eastwood among many others - great movie...) made an attempt
> having the tanks look like Tigers.  I think that they were actually plywood
> mock-ups on some other tank chassis as the turrets were just to big compared
> the rest of the hull...

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt Green
1993 D90 Red
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:43:23 -0300
From: [email-masked] (John Cranfield)
Subject: Re: LRO: 87RR Brake System

If the brake are sticking on as well not being effective the caliper
pistons are stuck.
John and Muddy

Lori Sickley wrote:
> 
> Hoping this isn't too off topic : )
> 
> 87 RR
> Girling brake master cylinder. The type with the sending unit in the cap.
> Low level switch.
> It has normal brake pressure only to front when applied.
> 
> The past repairs:
> New caliper rubber and pistons three years ago with new rotors. All OEM.
> No obvious problems with calipers then or now, however, this problem
> existed some time prior to these repairs. Neighbor is betting on calipers....
> 
> The symptoms:
> Not enough pressure to both rear brakes.
> Brake pads are not removing from contact with the rotors.
> Doesn't smell too good either : )
> 
> The questions:
> Air in system is the obvious answer however the system has been bled
> numerous times with no resolve.
> Anything else that could diminish the braking capacity to the rear wheels
> besides the in line pressure reducing valve that controls the rear brake
> pressure or the MC?
> 
> Suggestions for testing these two components?
> Parts source?
> 
> It just passed Pennsylvania inspection with flying colors yet the daily 88"
> didn't for two rotted of the three tub supports.....go figure.
> 
> Thanks!
> Lori

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:51:53 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Kelly's Heroes : Re: LRs in WWII movies

And the funny thing is that Moriarty was complaining about the fuel
system...the one weak link in an otherwise good design.

               aj"Somebody did a bit of research..."r

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:03:19 +0100
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: Engine Balancing

On Wednesday 04 April 2001  7:28 pm, you wrote:
> What I am thinking of doing is to go with the ACR manufactured
> upper end (head, cam)and a 2bbl carb and intake.  From ACR's web
> site this can result in 20-25 extra hp and 30 lbs torque.
> I have some noise in the lower end, and oil pressure is 35, when
> hot and driving 30mph down the road....drops down to 32ish at idle.
>  Rear main is leaking (yes I should have just gone and swapped it
> out when the tranny was rebuilt).  So am going to do a total
> rebuild.  Just wonder if getting the thing balanced would be a good
> idea given the increase in power and to improve longevity.

It certainly will!

Roland (the guy from Automotive) does this to all his own engines..

(He also runs a SII with Parabolic and all the engine tweeks going :)

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:00:30 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Peter's accolade:

Awwwww....shucks...{blush}

Kudos, peter - glad you got the old boy up and running. You really need to
come up and say hello before you move off to Northern California (too close
to Marin!).

8*)

                    Alan

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:01:35 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: RE: What's a Land Rover (was Parts availability vs. bulletproofing)

Funny, but if I try and go from 1 to 2 with out double clutching I get a
horrendous grinding.
Pete

Agreed - unless you shift like a tree sloth double-clutching is not an
option.....

                              ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:02:41 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Dynamat

Re: Dynamat on the fuel line:

PLEASE tell me you were joking.....8*)

Seriously, get some ally-backed insulation and use that - Dynamat's too
damn expensive!

                         ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:04:34 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Coil and Flasher

it preforms dwell compensation.

How is it managing that? Vacuum attachment, or a curve off RPM?

                    ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:10:50 +0100
From: Ian Stuart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth

On Thursday 05 April 2001  6:18 am, you wrote:
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Peter Halt <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #310
>
> >Marin, no
>
> disrespect intended, as you seem like an articulate
> and thoughtful guy.  But where do you live and hang out that you
> meet all these moronic young people?
>
> Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, Dallas,
> London, Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt,
> Stuttgart, Leipzig, Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur,
> Auckland, Santiago, Palma de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna,
> Zurich, Reunion Island, Spokane, Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St.
> Louis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Hong Kong. Those are some of the
> bigger places....
You notice none of these are in Scotland ;)

<Oh! the flame-bait!>
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((..ish))

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:27:45 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Non rover question, but still about British Iron...

Clinton, I've seen this more than once. If I remember correctly (and I
should - I owned a 68 Healey Sprite) that bugger used the 45D4.

Dump the electronic POS and fit it with a general replacement 45D4. Go back
to points as a test, then put in a Pertronix and never look back.

Works fine, lasts a long time.

If you want to bail him out, I believe a 25D4 from a 60s Rover would fit
just as well...again, you'll need to wire it to the coil a la points rather
than the electronic gimcrackery.

               ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Halt <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #312

You are right, Marin,
You're opinion doesn't matter a bit, except for the
enormous amount of bandwidth your absurd novellas take
up when you get on your soapbox.
And what good does it do to see all these places if
you travel with your eyes closed? I won't even get
started with your mind.
By the way, I am older than my Rover.  I just happen
to have an open mind.  I like young people, I like old
people.  In some strange way, I am even starting to
like you.  
Regards,
Peter

>Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin,
>Dallas, London, 
>Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt,
>Stuttgart, Leipzig, 
>Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Auckland,
>Santiago, Palma 
>de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, Zurich, Reunion
>Island, Spokane, 
>Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. Louis, Atlanta,
>Washington DC, Hong Kong.  
>Those are some of the bigger places....
>___________________________
>C. Marin Faure
> (original owner)
>  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
>  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:49:44 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Clinton's Midget

Clinton, i just went and had a look at the Moss Motors catalogue for MG
Midgets. Other than their denial that new Lucas units exist (oh, yes, go
buy a Mallory at 4X the price! and 5 X the replacement parts price!) the
illustrations were most illuminating.

The 1500CC Midget did indeed use a 45D4 from what I can see here -
essentially late IIa production and non-US Series III (USA used the
emissions horrid lump....). A 45D4 conventional should literally plug and
play, as would a 25D4 if you have one laying around you want to lend him.
The electronic jobby he has is just a variant on the 45D4 body - scrap
otherwise but uses the same mountings.

                    ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:05:59 -0400 
From: Easton Trevor A <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Re: Youth

> I am saddened to see you met moronic people in my neck of the woods
> Marin.....
> 
> Andrew MacGowan (25)
> Auckland
> New Zealand
> 
	It was once read that NZ was deporting all those with an IQ lower
than 50 to Oz. The effect would be to raise the average IQ of both
countries.

	(Duck, hide, enter witness protection program)
	This note written on behalf of Marin
	I don't know where the information came from :-{)

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:43:31 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Marin;' off his meds.....

Y'know, considering of late we have heard from Marin:

1) Land Rovers are horrid - Toyotas are better (age for age - of course
not? 10 years newer are better....)
2) Young folks are twits - bar none (don't let my daughter hear you say
that...you'll regret it).
3) The only proper Land-Rover is one with NO modifications (what about
tune-ups?)

and the like.

If all of this is so horrid why do you hang about with us? Or is it so we
can share in your "wisdom"?

You remind me a lot of my Dad - and that is not a compliment.

                    ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:44:23 -0400
From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude

A couple of Christmases ago me and some neighbours finished the mail run
one
day while my wife sobered our postwoman up!

Best Cheers

Frank

Oh, please do elaborate on this Frank - sounds like a great story.

                              ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:52:45 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth

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[email-masked] writes:

> Don't defend youth like it matters.  When you grow 
> up, you'll learn that in the larger scope of things, nothing 
> really matters much, particularly other peoples' opinions, 
> including mine.
> 

Sounds a bit fatalistic.  Marin, you might find a little relief from a mild 
antidepressant.

Nate

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:55:23 -0400
From: "RON WARD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Dynamat

Hmm, you're right, AJ.  That, of course, would make my Land-Rover NOT a Land-Rover;>  

BTW, I wrapped the fuel line (extra long, routed near the bulkhead) in tinfoil last night.  The Dynamat is going on the underside of the bonnett when I return from CampRover East!!

Rgds,

RW

>>> [email-masked] 04/05/01 08:02AM >>>

Re: Dynamat on the fuel line:

PLEASE tell me you were joking.....8*)

Seriously, get some ally-backed insulation and use that - Dynamat's too
damn expensive!

                         ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:17:06 -0400
From: "Lee Jones" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Youth

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Hey Marin!

One thing we have to remember - all these kids one day will be your age - or
worse, mine!

Lee

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    Don't defend youth like it matters.  When you grow
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  Sounds a bit fatalistic.  Marin, you might find a little relief from a
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  Nate

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:22:13 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

In a message dated 4/5/01 12:38:29 AM, [email-masked] writes:

<< Global warming is not a fact.  There has been a very slight increase in 
temperature but its way too soon to tell if that is a normal variation in 
the temperature of the earth or an actual long term trend. >>

Peter
    Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact that 
the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the start 
of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating. 
    To claim to know exactly what effect this is going to have on the 
environment i.e. global warming vs a new ice age is intellectualy arrogant 
but on the other hand to claim it is not going to have any effect is idiotic 
and indefensible.
    The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be is 
that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much.
    Unlike Marin, who doesn't have any children, and doesn't seem to give a 
flying f___ what happens after he is gone, I have 3, ages 2 thru 18 and I do 
care.

Bill
GBR
47 and an uncynical old fart

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:38 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: Wasted youth

In a message dated 4/5/01 1:27:03 AM, [email-masked] writes:

<< Marin, if you're any indication of how they used to make them, I'd consider

this an encouraging sign.

Ben
    I'll second that

Bill
GBR

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:02:40 -0400
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming

Bill, Peter, and others-
An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html

Light reading, but a bit long.  Covers such interesting phenomena 
like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic 
time scales.  Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this 
thread.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:14:42 +0200
From: Luca Ingianni <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth

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Am Donnerstag,  5. April 2001 07:18 schrieben Sie:
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Peter Halt <[email-masked]>
> Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #310
>
> >Marin, no
>
> disrespect intended, as you seem like an articulate
> and thoughtful guy.  But where do you live and hang out that you meet
> all these moronic young people?
>
> Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, Dallas, London,
> Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Leipzig,
> Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Auckland, Santiago, Palma
> de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, Zurich, Reunion Island, Spokane,
> Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. Louis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Hong Kong.
> Those are some of the bigger places....

You know, Marin,

this reminds me of this joke where a guy drives his car on the highway and 
hears a traffic announcment on the radio "drivers beware there is a ghost 
driver on highway so-and-so" and he goes "what do they mean, ONE? there 
are HUNDREDS!"

have fun,
	Luca

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:43:17 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Ghost Driver?

At 17:14 05/04/01 +0200, Luca Ingianni, wrote
>  "drivers beware there is a ghost driver on highway so-and-so"

This sounds intriguing --- what is a "ghost driver"

                                             Rick Grant

  				  1959 Series II   "88"
				  VORIZO

Rick Grant Communications
Media and Crisis Management
Calgary Ottawa
www.rickgrant.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:50:31 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Rovers in WWII

Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:35:35 -0600
From: Rick Grant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Rovers in WWII

At 19:53 04/04/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote

>>Len Deighton is another author who's done 
>a superb job
>of maintaining an excellent style (in my opinion).
 
>I agree completely about "Bomber" but in my opinion I would have to say 
that his best book, apart from the spy series stuff which is really quite 
engaging, has to be "Goodbye Mickey Mouse"

Thanks for the recommendation.  I haven't read Goodbye Mickey 
Mouse, as for some reason when I leafed through it quickly at a 
bookstore (not a good way to judge a book), it didn't appear to be 
what I thought it was going to be.  I'll give it another try.

_________________________________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services
telephone (425)393-7721
mobile (206)650-5622
fax: (425)393-7741
e-mail: [email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:55:49 -0700 
From: "Faure, Marin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth

Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:53:10 +1200
From: "Macka" <[email-masked]>
Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.)

>The below statement from  Marin is quite staggering, down here in New
Zealand we have learnt of the US President's new stance on the Kyoto
agreement....surely this is a view held by the President and his advisors?
Surely not all Americans hold a view similar to Marin's which is arrogant
and selfish in the extreme.

You take life WAY too seriously....
___________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
  Seattle

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:05:12 -0700
From: Mark Pilkington <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming

A slighly different perspective......  We all think that the atmosphere is
hugely thick and will absorb all we dump into it. The sky is the limit etc.
Also we think that we have so much control over what we do. I fly planes as
Marin does, and since I have been flying I have more of a feeling of how
fragile the earth is and how little control we have over it if any. The average
commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long,  imagine how short one is
as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher
than where humans can comfortably live. Now think of the 3000 miles across just
the USA for example!(15,600,000 feet) The atmosphere is such a thin veneer
around us. While on the subject of making things vertical, remember the Kursk,
the Russian Submarine that sank?  If that sub were upended where it lay 200
feet of it would have been above water! It was 500 feet long and was in 300
feet of water and we had no influance or control over what happened to it
(apart from the political problems). The ocean is 20,000 feet deep in places.
We are just on borrowed time here, we have had a huge influence on a small
planet in a cosmic blink of the eye. We are damaging it, and we have to be
careful. I am not an Eco-freak, but I did study Rural Resources and their
Management for 4 years in England. I also fly 30 year old aircraft, drive
Landrovers, hunt, shoot, and fish all of which are considered by some as not
environmentally friendly. I am continually surprised by the surprise with which
the media handles natural disasters, as if to say "the humans are here, no more
volcanoes, avalanches, earthquakes, landslides, droughts, floods, fires or
meteorites please"  We could be gone in a moment if an asteroid hit us. The
dinosaurs and their predecessors were here for 400,000,000 years and never got
beyond being big dumb lizards. We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about
10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) and have managed to overpopulate and damage
the planet almost irreversibly in that time. We do change things and we have to
be careful.
Having just read this through, I notice that it only mentions "Landrovers"
once! Being alarmed at that, I will mention that I spent until 10pm last night
gleefully putting the slave cylinders on my SIIa after getting a large package
from England full of small peices of Landrover. Tonight is the night for the
gynocological wrestling of the clutch slave cylinder into its unorthodox
position on the side of my unenvironmentally sound, non-Landrover Chevy 327 V8.

Thanks for getting this far!
Mark Pilkington

"Robert A. Virzi" wrote:

> Bill, Peter, and others-
> An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html
>
> Light reading, but a bit long.  Covers such interesting phenomena
> like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic
> time scales.  Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this
> thread.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 08:58:04 -0700
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....)

> An interesting dilemma arises when considering older 
>Series Land Rovers that have been fitted with Rover
> V-8s.  Are they Land Rovers?  Given that Land Rover 
>never fitted (to my knowledge) the V-8 to Series 
>vehicles until close to the end of Series production,
> I would say, no,

The Land Rover factory evidently started dropping V8s into series rigs 
for testing purposes around '66 or '67.  I think the test vehicle I 
photographed was a '66.  The V8 went into production in  series rigs 
starting '74 or '75  about 8 years before the end of series production.

>Land Rover, I would never consider buying a re-engined
> version unless the price was virtually giveaway

This is of course your option.  An interesting side note:
Every Land Rover with a Timm Cooper engine conversion that I have seen go 
up for sale has sold for well above the going price for a bone stock Land 
Rover.  On an average they seem to be going for about half again more 
than the price of a bone stock stock Land ROver.  The highest I have 
noticed was about twice the top going rate for that year/model bone stock 
Land Rover.  But that was a very well designed off road rig in very good 
condition.

Of course since I plan never to sell mine, resale doesn't mean all that 
much to me except for insurance purposes.

>TeriAnn's hybrid is something she had built to her specifications

The engine, gearbox and steering box conversion I had done, the rest of 
it is pretty much all my own labour.

> using a Land Rover as a starting point.  Kind of like the
> show everyone on this list seems to like so much, Junkyard 
>Wars.

Almost but not quite.  I spent almost two years designing how I wanted 
the rear interior to be and where to put things before I took wrench to 
the car.  I spent almost a year looking at power plants and asking people 
about their experiences and running cost vs fuel savings numbers before 
settling on an engine.

It is my understanding the junkyard wars participants need to knock out a 
design in just a few minutes.

Also, the junkyard people could only get parts within their own junk 
yard.  My car received many new genuine Land Rover parts from several 
years and models of Land Rover, both military and civilian.

Other than a few camper bits (most of which came from a dead Land Rover 
Dormobile), the non Land Rover parts are just the engine, gearbox, 
steering box and radiator.  All the rest of it, including the complete 
suspension, brake system, axle assemblies (opps there is an ARB diff and 
a Quaife Diff) and body are pure Land Rover.  Ok now that I think of it 
some of the Smiths gauges are from an MGB.

>I know TeriAnn doesn't agree with me, so never the twain will meet.

Marin, it is a lot more fun not to agree with you.  But I do agree that 
my Land ROver is a hybrid.  The race car people had (have?) a way to 
label race vehicles that have a different power plant.  They used the 
vehicle name followed by a slash followed by the engine make.

I that spirit I have no problems with the phrase Land Rover/Ford hybrid.

My problem is with the concept that just because I opted for a Ford power 
plant and not a Buick power plant, doesn't mean that all the other Land 
Rover parts  just fell off my car and disappeared.  If you count up all 
the bits and pieces, about 90% of them are still factory or after market 
Land Rover parts.

The car is Land Rover and something more.  It is not just a Ford or a 
Scout II.

Don't deny my car's Land Roverness and I will not deny it's MG gauges, or 
Ford power plant, or Scout II steering box.  It is indeed a Land Rover 
based hybrid and that means it is mostly Land Rover.  All those 90% or so 
parts have not just fallen off and disappeared.

If you can learn to say Land ROver hybrid or Land Rover/Ford we can both 
be happy.

Just think of my car as a retro concept prototype for the next version of 
Land Rover Defender.

TeriAnn Wakeman               Marigold Ltd.
Santa Cruz, California        Web design, site updating, testing
[email-masked]      search engine optimization, graphics
                              and more

http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:22:24 -0700
From: Jeff Bieler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming

We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-))

=> 150 years?  You give us too much credit.

Jeff Bieler
Mark Pilkington wrote:

> A slighly different perspective......  We all think that the atmosphere is
> hugely thick and will absorb all we dump into it. The sky is the limit etc.
> Also we think that we have so much control over what we do. I fly planes as
> Marin does, and since I have been flying I have more of a feeling of how
> fragile the earth is and how little control we have over it if any. The average
> commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long,  imagine how short one is
> as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher
> than where humans can comfortably live. Now think of the 3000 miles across just
> the USA for example!(15,600,000 feet) The atmosphere is such a thin veneer
> around us. While on the subject of making things vertical, remember the Kursk,
> the Russian Submarine that sank?  If that sub were upended where it lay 200
> feet of it would have been above water! It was 500 feet long and was in 300
> feet of water and we had no influance or control over what happened to it
> (apart from the political problems). The ocean is 20,000 feet deep in places.
> We are just on borrowed time here, we have had a huge influence on a small
> planet in a cosmic blink of the eye. We are damaging it, and we have to be
> careful. I am not an Eco-freak, but I did study Rural Resources and their
> Management for 4 years in England. I also fly 30 year old aircraft, drive
> Landrovers, hunt, shoot, and fish all of which are considered by some as not
> environmentally friendly. I am continually surprised by the surprise with which
> the media handles natural disasters, as if to say "the humans are here, no more
> volcanoes, avalanches, earthquakes, landslides, droughts, floods, fires or
> meteorites please"  We could be gone in a moment if an asteroid hit us. The
> dinosaurs and their predecessors were here for 400,000,000 years and never got
> beyond being big dumb lizards. We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about
> 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) and have managed to overpopulate and damage
> the planet almost irreversibly in that time. We do change things and we have to
> be careful.
> Having just read this through, I notice that it only mentions "Landrovers"
> once! Being alarmed at that, I will mention that I spent until 10pm last night
> gleefully putting the slave cylinders on my SIIa after getting a large package
> from England full of small peices of Landrover. Tonight is the night for the
> gynocological wrestling of the clutch slave cylinder into its unorthodox
> position on the side of my unenvironmentally sound, non-Landrover Chevy 327 V8.
>
> Thanks for getting this far!
> Mark Pilkington
>
> "Robert A. Virzi" wrote:
>
> > Bill, Peter, and others-
> > An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at
> >
> > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html
> >
> > Light reading, but a bit long.  Covers such interesting phenomena
> > like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic
> > time scales.  Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this
> > thread.

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:58:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: LRO: Clinton's Midget

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

:Clinton, i just went and had a look at the Moss Motors catalogue for MG
:Midgets. Other than their denial that new Lucas units exist (oh, yes, go
:buy a Mallory at 4X the price! and 5 X the replacement parts price!) the
:illustrations were most illuminating.
:
:The 1500CC Midget did indeed use a 45D4 from what I can see here -
:essentially late IIa production and non-US Series III (USA used the
:emissions horrid lump....). A 45D4 conventional should literally plug and
:play, as would a 25D4 if you have one laying around you want to lend him.
:The electronic jobby he has is just a variant on the 45D4 body - scrap
:otherwise but uses the same mountings.

I think you can convert the electronic 45d4 to points by replacing the
baseplate, as well. 

- -- 
[email-masked]
Bipedalism is only a fad.

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