Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming

From: Jeff Bieler (mrbieler@earthlink.net)
Date: Thu Apr 05 2001 - 12:22:24 EDT

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    We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-))

    => 150 years? You give us too much credit.

    Jeff Bieler
    Mark Pilkington wrote:

    > A slighly different perspective...... We all think that the atmosphere is
    > hugely thick and will absorb all we dump into it. The sky is the limit etc.
    > Also we think that we have so much control over what we do. I fly planes as
    > Marin does, and since I have been flying I have more of a feeling of how
    > fragile the earth is and how little control we have over it if any. The average
    > commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long, imagine how short one is
    > as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher
    > than where humans can comfortably live. Now think of the 3000 miles across just
    > the USA for example!(15,600,000 feet) The atmosphere is such a thin veneer
    > around us. While on the subject of making things vertical, remember the Kursk,
    > the Russian Submarine that sank? If that sub were upended where it lay 200
    > feet of it would have been above water! It was 500 feet long and was in 300
    > feet of water and we had no influance or control over what happened to it
    > (apart from the political problems). The ocean is 20,000 feet deep in places.
    > We are just on borrowed time here, we have had a huge influence on a small
    > planet in a cosmic blink of the eye. We are damaging it, and we have to be
    > careful. I am not an Eco-freak, but I did study Rural Resources and their
    > Management for 4 years in England. I also fly 30 year old aircraft, drive
    > Landrovers, hunt, shoot, and fish all of which are considered by some as not
    > environmentally friendly. I am continually surprised by the surprise with which
    > the media handles natural disasters, as if to say "the humans are here, no more
    > volcanoes, avalanches, earthquakes, landslides, droughts, floods, fires or
    > meteorites please" We could be gone in a moment if an asteroid hit us. The
    > dinosaurs and their predecessors were here for 400,000,000 years and never got
    > beyond being big dumb lizards. We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about
    > 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) and have managed to overpopulate and damage
    > the planet almost irreversibly in that time. We do change things and we have to
    > be careful.
    > Having just read this through, I notice that it only mentions "Landrovers"
    > once! Being alarmed at that, I will mention that I spent until 10pm last night
    > gleefully putting the slave cylinders on my SIIa after getting a large package
    > from England full of small peices of Landrover. Tonight is the night for the
    > gynocological wrestling of the clutch slave cylinder into its unorthodox
    > position on the side of my unenvironmentally sound, non-Landrover Chevy 327 V8.
    >
    > Thanks for getting this far!
    > Mark Pilkington
    >
    > "Robert A. Virzi" wrote:
    >
    > > Bill, Peter, and others-
    > > An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at
    > >
    > > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html
    > >
    > > Light reading, but a bit long. Covers such interesting phenomena
    > > like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic
    > > time scales. Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this
    > > thread.



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