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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:00:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 'ello out there...

Dave,

Make sure you pack the clutch sleeve with a high moly grease - recommend CV
joint grease (which you CAN get at TRAK).  This is the only lube the assembly
gets when running.  Another thing, watch the studs when you first put the OD
onto the transfer case.  Two or three of them must have the nuts started on
them before the OD is pushed fully in, otherwise there is not enough room to
start them later.  Do what someone mentioned earlier this week and vent the
OD top cover up into the engine bay.  Saves a lot of oil spray on the park
brake assembly later.

Finally, could you take a photo of the "infamous" genuine main nut wrench.
 Would like to make one up, but not sure how to go about it.  Would love to
see how Rovers North did it (I started to rent it from them last spring when
I had to replace the clutch sleeve).

If you got problems, call.  (804) 765-1890 work   (804) 530-2831 home.

see ya!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Subject: Re: Clutch problem on 110
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 14:18:22 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>I'll start by bleeding the clutch system, and see what happens.

Is there still something to bleed? I mean is there still fluid in the 
system?
I had the same kind of problems last week and i'm in Holland and is 13deg 
celcius,
so I think it isn't a heat related problem.
My problem's solution (temporarily or something) was to put in new fluid
as there was nothing left.
After that press the clutch pedal a few times to pump the air out (works 
fine on my 110)

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!                             
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:33:36 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: stumpy

Note on pulling stumps......I've never (knock on wood heh heh) stressed any
drivetrain parts...(the frame and the tow hooks on the other
hand....)..Granted, I do some stump preparation (cut accessable roots etc)
What has helped my efforts is to use a suitable chain and with some slack in
the system get the truck moving, just as the slack is removed, I press in
the clutch.....The weight of the truck pulls the stump..........I usually
use reverse so I can see what's happening and monitor the "slack
removal"...I guess maybe I'm not actually pulling stumps but rather jerking
them....Works for me! 

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:48:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Painting

Well,
It's not as hard as it seems if you think your way through it. Also, don't
scrimp on the paint, but don't buy Land Rover Brand either. Your local car
paint merchant can mix up anything if you have the right code. If yours is
Marine Blue, I can give you the proper numbers. Use Acrylic Enamel, and
spring for the hardener. 2-3 quarts does a top, a gallon covers the body. In
fact, if your paint is in decent shape, you can cut each of those back by a
quart, but I'd be safe.
What are your specific questions?

-Earl
(aka Alex Maiolo)
69 IIa
89 Range Rover

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From: Keith Goffin <keith@emsi.com>
Subject: Displaced Mainer
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 08:53:00 PDT

Howdy,

Would this Maine LR Club be open to displaced Mainers who have gone to the 
flatlands of the Midwest?  From Brunswick and wishin I were home, ayuh!

Cheers,

Keith Goffin
keith@emsi.com
70' SIIa (Sheila) non-moving, rusted and I love her

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re:Stage 1 heresy.

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Daryl Webb wrote:

> Ok if you wish to split hairs, how and where does Landrover define "stage 
> 1".  I've always believed that this is a term we LRO's use to describe 
> the full-time 4x4 equiped leaf-sprung vehicles.

	British (phlegmsucking) Leyland defined the term.  It is Stage One
	of the BL investment plan.  Stage two and three were differnt.

	.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:26:56 -0400
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Non LR - Riverdance

Riverdance: Jan 10 - 26, 1997 at the Wang Center for the Performing Arts

Ticketmaster...Boston, MA 02199
Phone: (617)931-2000

Only cheap seats left for all performances.  Sorry this is on the digest but
it was the quickest way to deal with all the interest and this is where it
all started.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:50:37 +0100 (BST)
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  Clutch problem on 110

>Subject: Clutch problem on 110
>I now have a bit of a cluch problem. I drove it to work today, and on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Today was in peak hour traffic and 29deg celcius, so I think it may be heat
>related.

I don't know about the V8 engined models, but on the turbo-diesels there is
a heat shield on the exhaust to protect the clutch slave cylinder. If this
is missing it causes the symptoms you describe.

________________________________________________________________________
Thomas D.I. Stevenson			gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Project			Tel: 01475 530581
University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:21:14 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Non Land Rover Matter

At 09:19 PM 10/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Can someone in the Boston area please help me.  I am trying to find out
>where the Irish dance show "Riverdance" will be playing in Boston after
>Christmas sometime.  First person who can correctly identify the theatre and

>From the Riverdance web page at <http://faraday.ucd.ie/~joseph/riverdance/>:

    Boston

    Riverdance - The Show : 10th January 1997 - 26th January 1997
    Wang Center for the Performing Arts, Boston
    Tickets on sale May 13th 1996

    Booking: Ticketmaster <http://www.ticketmaster.com/>

And from Switchboard at <http://www.switchboard.com/>:

    Wang Center For The Perf Arts...268 Tremont St...Boston, MA 02116-5603
    Phone: (617)482-9393

    Wang Ctr Month Grp Attractions...332 Congress St...Boston, MA 02210-1217
    Phone: (617)350-6000

>supply me with a box office telephone number wins a GBP10 gift voucher for
>LRO SHOP plus a 1997 Pete Wilford Calendar.  My six year old daughter is
>driving me mad as she wants to see this show badly.

Do I win?  Huh? Huh?  Ooooh, please?  

P.S., Riverdance is pretty darn cool.  My girlfriend got the video for her
mum (on my suggestion) last mother's day, and I'll probably be getting it
for my dad for xmas.  (Don't tell!)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:02:35 +0100
From: John Lambon <john@bjnet.demon.co.uk>
Subject: R/Rover clunky Borg Warner T/Box

Hi,

I have a manual 1989 R/Rover 3.5L with the newer Borg Warner style
transfer box.  The car since I've owned it, has always cluncked from
underneath on overun or take-up.  At first I thought it was the 'A'
frame ball-joint, but now a year later and most of the obvious things
have been replaced, it seems to be getting slightly worse.

The last time the car was on ramps, I investigated the transmission
components, When I rotated the prop-shafts looking for wear, I noticed a
clunking/clattering from the transfer box, when a road wheel is wound
back and forth the sound can be quite loud!  I gather these boxes have a
multi-linked chain coupling to the output shaft. Do these stretch and go
slack??  It sounds like the chain is slapping the transfer box casing!

Another symptom, if the transmission is torqued up i.e. in low ratio and
using engine breaking whilst coming down an incline, if the clutch is
pressed in, it sounds like the end of the world, the whole transmission
lurches to-and-throw clattering for at least a second or two...

During normal driving, the car drives well, and is quite quiet.

Is their any test I can do to pin the problem down?  Any ideas anyone?

Regards,

John Lambon

Mail john@bjnet.demon.co
FAX  +44(0)1705-649049

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:50:29 -0700
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT LR INFO!!!

graf_greg/furman@furman.edu wrote:
> please unsubscibe me
> greg_graf@furman.edu
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> greg_graf@furman.edu
> SATURN RULES!What does this mean..did I miss something???
Saturn the car?? Rules what??

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:52:36 -0700
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 

Alan Logue wrote:
> My wife has just joined the land rover throng!
> She just came home in a BMW 323i.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> South Australia
> Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443try this    http://www.wizvax.net/rwelty/bmw/

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:48:15 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Chassis

Dear all,
        At the risk of having this message repeated 17 or 20 times, I'm
going to do it anyway.
        We have for sale a 88" galv. coil conversion chassis, this is NOT
one of ours, and is NOT an Arrow, it is an ex-Roverworks project that was
given up on by the owner. The chassis has a power steering pump bolted on,
and the rear shock mounts, and is set up for what looks like a V8, 5 speed.
        We are cleaning up the grounds before snow comes, so this chassis
is now for sale to the highest bidder in the next few days. It has to be
removed from here soon though.
        Thanks all, and lets hope this only appears once!

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:59:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: November LRO (fwd)

	LRO seems to be taking a bit more interest in North America.
	This month, there is a very large article (10 pages?) on the 
	Solihull Society Rally in Colorado and a smaller (two column 
	affair) on the OVLR Birthday Party.  Last month they had one on the 
	Downeast Rally.  They are even looking at Africa (Kenya rally).
	We won't count the article of LR in France...

	Let us hope that this trend continues and we see more articles 
	on activities outside the UK.  

	Now, if they would only revisit, and correct, their series on 
	diesels.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:47:33 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Chassis

Mike Smith writes:

>        We have for sale a 88" galv. coil conversion chassis, this is NOT
>one of ours, and is NOT an Arrow,
> ....snip...
>        Thanks all, and lets hope this only appears once!
>        See ya!

Oh Darn! Too bad..I'm looking for a 109 chassis. They're so hard to find! :)

Dave B.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:48:33 -0700
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: new family member

I am happy to announce a new addition to our family. 

Born Wednesday 23Oct96 at 4:45pm PST, and as yet un-named, a demure 88", (no
birthweight), '59 II. Baby is healthy and its color is good: cream. Born
without any major health defects but definitely will need some small
reconstructive and plastic surgery. Lungs and heart appear strong:
definitely a noisy thing - good thing it sleeps at night. Seems a little
dizzy as it tends to drift when its limbs are engaged: may be caused by the
need for new shoes (already and just out of delivery).

Clayton '58    
Lynn    '58
Steph   '83
Sabrina '85
Makenzie        '94
Chase   '96

Disco   '95 (possible plates: Fever)
SIIA 109 '67 (possible name: Davis (where purchased))
SII 88  '59 (possible name: Rosie (purchased in Roseville), possible plates:
Ma Hopr - Lynn's           
                car and a wonderful triple entendre)

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:19:11 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Parabolic Springs.

Ralph, with a 101 writes: (snip)
>putting air springs under my 101. The process, although a major project 
>one problem. Air spring conversions for trucks use Parabolic springs, 
>which apparently are a different steel that the multi leaf springs we 
(snip)
Greetings Ralph. I too have considered airsprings, but was not planning to 
use leafsprings. I am curious what the Parabolic leafsprings are intended to 
do? If they are to locate the axles laterally, then the traditional 
elliptical top two leaf springs would work (I think they are the ones that 
retain the spring bushings). However, they probably wouldn't resist the 
torque loads of acceleration and braking, so would require something like 
traction bars. The terms Parabolic, Eliptical, Semi-Eliptical, etc, refer to 
the (usually "cubic-") taper applied to the ends of the individual leaves, 
which effects the way in which they transfer stresses to the next layer, and 
thus, how their spring rates change with deflection. The differences are 
rather large in many cases, but not nearly as much as the change from leaf 
to coils, or air springs. My handbook lists Parabolic springs as usually 
being a single large leaf, as seen on some big trucks and trailers. I can 
supply you with the necessary mathmatical formulas, if you want them.

John O
'64 109 diesel 5-door

>Does anyone know what the properties if these parabolic springs are? What 
>is it about them that is parabolic? If I cant use them, does anyone have 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>Thanks in advance,
>Ralph.
>101 FC.

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:11:35 -1000
From: Faye Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Axles

        I have had three axles break in my 12 years of rover ownership.  All
broke backing out of my garage.  They break because of previous stress and
seldom break at time of a specific stress.  It is far easier to change axles
that are not broken than when they are broken.  Changing after a break
requires removing the differential and a thorough cleaning of the axle
housing.  I use one of those 'magnet on a stick' tools from sears to be sure
no metal is left in the tube.  It can also be interesting to remove the
spline from the differential if it tweaks the diff. when the axle goes.  I
have not had it happen, but it is probably possible for an axle to destroy a
diff. especially if any metals gets in the gears. 
        The axles broke soon after purchase of the vehicles.  My '88 has
gone another 11 years without a problem and the '109 5 years.  I learned my
lesson on the '88.  If one breaks, the other is right behind.  Both axles
broke within a month of each other. 
        My advice is change the axles when you buy a new/old vehicle.  You
have no idea what the PO has done with and to the LR.  
        The axles seem to go a very long time, if not indefinitely, when
treated with respect.  They do break after they have been abused.  
        BTW, my LR's do not suffer from the Range Rover syndrome. 'NEVER OFF
ROAD' is not a badge of honor.  Mine are daily drivers and go off road every
day.  I don't go on expeditions with major wheel spin, however. 
        It appears a lot of the subscribers like to commune with the zen
nature of their vehicles while flat on their back, a diff. on their chest,
dirt dropping in their eyes, all the while soaking in hypoid oil.  Also I
can say is 'enjoy'.
Aloha 
Peter Ogilvie
1970 '88'
1965 '109' 

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Vaccum leak...still searching!

Well, in my search for the reason my newly acquired SIII is running lean, I
have checked/found the following;
1.)  The Zenith seems to work as well as the brand new Weber I have for the
IIA.  I put the Weber on, and the engine still bogs under rapid
acceleration and requires that I run with at least 1/4 choke.

2.) Sprayed carb cleaner every place I could think without a change in the
RPM of the engine(while running).

3.)  Pinched off the vacuum line to the brake booster...no change in the
engine RPM, just as Charlie at RN said it should be.

4.)  Compression test tonight reveals the following; #1: 135, #2: 126, #3:
131-2, #4: 136.  Charlie said that if the head gasket were blown, the most
likely place would be between #2 and #3 cylinders, yielding equal
pressures.  This is obviously not the case!

5.)  If I unplug the vacuum hose between the vacuum advance unit and the
carburator, the idle speed drops, but the engine does not stall.  Timing
has been set.

6.)  Charlie asked about the PCV valve.  I vaguely remembered one from my
IIA...guess what, none on the III!!  The PO seems  to have removed a lot of
emissions control(I'm assuming) appendages from the engine bay and replaced
them with short pieces of tubing, plugged  with bolts and screw type
clamps.  Could this be my problem?  How would the vehicle run without the
PCV valve?

Any help would be appreciated!  I'd like to have it running reliably before
first snow fall(I guess I missed that deadline!  It was spitting snow here
one night last week!).

Thanks! John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
Series III 88"

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:17:01 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Reverse lights

Herman Stude asked about reverse lights.  The switch on top of the gearbox 
is one part that is "NLS" - no longer supplied.  If yours is not working, 
you may be able to find a used one somewhere, but there are no more new 
"genuine" ones.  

Rather than using them as work lights, I'd suggest that you rig up a 
separate flood light high up on the rear deck somewhere.  Not only does it 
do wonders for night-time backing through tight woods, it's also great when 
that charter member of AARP drives up behind you with the brights on in the 
Cadilac. Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Come to a LR Party!
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:45:39 -0400

Land Rover Metro West is having its annual salon showing of the new =
models on THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH from 6:00PM to 9:00PM.

In this showing, one can view the 1997 Land Rover model lineup.

This year, one can ALSO view my Pink Panther #10FG56 - its first public =
showing! It will be the star of the show - now that she sports her =
armament! The Panther will subsequently be on semi-permanent display =
there.

LRO's as well as prospective LRO's are invited to attend this showing.

RSVP a must! RSVP by November 7th to 617-431-0125 or 508-650-8822. You =
should RSVP to the switchboard operator as to name, # in party, and =
please mention that you saw this on the LR digest. RSVP hours Monday =
through Friday, 8AM to 6PM...

See you there!

Cheers
Jim

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: 1997 NAS D90
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:51:03 -0400

Latest information:

* The 1997 D90 features an electronic instrument pack (still analog - =
but electrically driven). No more jumpy speedo cable.

* Also features a "more efficient air-conditioning option." I asked =
about this and was told that it was quieter. I thought that the existing =
A/C setup was pretty damned impressive in its output. Hopefully, the new =
one allows for more heat to come through on the passenger side.

* "An upgraded two-speed transfer case uses new gears and a stronger =
housing to reduce noise."

* "Also reducing driveline noise is a new center console design that has =
a locking storage section where an optional CD changer can be =
installed."

The above information gleaned from LRNA flyer #LR9707, received in the =
BSROA mailbox today - even before the dealership got it!!

Cheers,
Jim

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:06:22 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Vaccum leak...still searching!

John Cassidy wrote:
> Well, in my search for the reason my newly acquired SIII is running lean, I
> have checked/found the following;
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)]
> 2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
> 4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
> Series III 88"

Just an idea, but why don't you spend about $4.00 and get a set of rubber 
plugs and replace all the bits of hose with bolts in them?  The plugs are 
available from any auto supply house and are made to dead end vacuum 
lines.  Maybe some of the bits of hose are cracked letting in air.  The 
PCV wouldn't have any effect unless the line had been left uncapped when 
the PCV was removed.  All it does is pull gasses off the valve cover and 
drags them through the carb to be burned. I would suspect a low fuel pump 
pressure.  Put a pressure tester on the line and see what you have.  Dave 
VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:08:32 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Reverse lights

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
> Herman Stude asked about reverse lights.  The switch on top of the gearbox
> is one part that is "NLS" - no longer supplied.  If yours is not working,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>       |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
>       *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

The reverse light switch is not anything special.  It is just a N/O micro 
switch.  Any decent electrical house, even Radio Shack should be able to 
supply something that will work.  It only has to close when the reverse 
gate at the base of the shifter handle touches it.  The switch is outside 
the transmission housing.  Dave VE4PN

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Subject: Re:  Clutch problem on 110
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 09:39:47 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>I don't know about the V8 engined models, but on the turbo-diesels there is
>a heat shield on the exhaust to protect the clutch slave cylinder. If this
>is missing it causes the symptoms you describe.

I thought this was for not melting your shoes.

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

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   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!                             
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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From: lucasrwsaed@argonet.co.uk (Lucas Rists)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 08:29:00
Subject: Re: Re:Stage 1 heresy.

On Thu 24 Oct 96 (09:34:44), dkenner@nrcan.gc.ca wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> of the BL investment plan.  Stage two and three were differnt.
> .
Stage 1 was quite literaly Stage 1 of the plan to update the Landrover.
Stage 1 involved putting in the V8 and the Range Rover 4-speed box, therefore
introducing full-time 4wd. Faced with the choice of modifying the bulkhead or
moving the engine forward, the engine got moved forward. When Stage 2 came
along, coil springs, new chassis, new bulkhead etc were introduced along with
diesel option and 2.5 petrol. This are known as 110, and later 90. The only
other mods made for the Stage 1 are unique changes to the swivel hubs and front
axle, which means they are dammed expensive to fix. The "Stage" name is not
directly related the Leyland plans, though updating the LR was near the top of
the list, thanks to a certain Anthony Wedgewood-Benn.

Richard
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:24:56 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Re:Stage 1 heresy.

 of the BL investment plan.  Stage two and three were differnt.
 .

>Stage 1 was quite literaly Stage 1 of the plan to update the Landrover.
..Which was,as Dixon said,an investment plan.The update was what the
money was used for.The V8 109 was the result,as it happened,but it
need not necessarily have been.
And one assumes that in some parts of the world the V8 was found to
be inappropriate for various reasons and other power units substituted.
Which,admittedly makes the result *not* a V8 109,but still makes it
eligible for the customer invented name of Stage 1.Which goes to show
that sometimes the customer knows best:-)After all,Land Rover hardly
covered themselves in glory with "Defender" did they?Particularly
with regard to their attempt to apply it retrospectively.
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Re:Stage 1 heresy.
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 11:33:10 BST

> that sometimes the customer knows best:-)After all,Land Rover hardly
> covered themselves in glory with "Defender" did they?Particularly
> with regard to their attempt to apply it retrospectively.

So, when is Solihull going to replace the Defender?
Proper Landies seem to have a production life of about 12 or so years
 - Defender must be due for replacement, but it seems like Solihull are
content to produce SUVs (CB40) and Disco replacements...

Will BMW let Land Rover produce a 5 Series?   :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - which is a *proper* Land Rover - unlike
         a Defender!!)

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