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1 howtaw@hg.uleth.ca 233.9L EFI
2 OscarM [omont@mnl.sequel1312/2 digest missing....
3 Benjamin Allan Smith [be29[not specified]
4 OscarM [omont@mnl.sequel11Sightings...Rover jpgs
5 BobandSueB@aol.com 14 Any Santanas in US ?
6 BobandSueB@aol.com 9[not specified]
7 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn43Uncle Roger scores big (GPS) and Granny was right!
8 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn28Re: Models
9 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn27[not specified]
10 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn26[not specified]
11 Wdcockey@aol.com 31Models & Sources
12 Wdcockey@aol.com 16Series II Trivia
13 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.44Re: Series II trivia
14 Benjamin Allan Smith [be41[not specified]
15 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e10Christmas Decorations For Your Rover?


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From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 01:54:53 MST
Subject: 3.9L EFI

Thanks for the suggestions that I have received on the different means of
fueling a 3.5L V8 that was once EFI.

Some of you have expresed concern over the operation of the 3.9L with the
3.5L EFI unit.  At last report it was running very well and the owner was
pleased with the increase in power over the 3.5L unit.  If anyone is planning
on doing this conversion I would point out the fact that this one was done
by the Land Rover dealer in my area.  You may wish to research the matter
further before you begin to tear out the resident 3.5L lump.

In case anyone is wondering where the 3.9L engine come from I'll tell you.
Someone with deep pockets put a 5.0L Linchfield engine into a brand new
RR.  It went strait from the show room to the shop.

The 5.0L is major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  I can only dream.

Andrew Howton

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 19:54:39 +0800
From: OscarM <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: 12/2 digest missing....

Someone make my weekend....  Received up to #4 of 30, would appreciate
anyone forwarding the complete 12/2 digest to me.

Thanks all.

Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com

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Subject: FAQ ftp site 
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 05:18:54 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	A few folks have been asking if there was an ASCII version of the
FAQ that could be ftp'd.  Up until now, I had to say no.  Now I can say yes.

ftp://owens.ridgecrest.ca.us/pub/users/bens/FAQ/

	In that directory are 8 files:  LR_FAQ.top, LR_FAQ.intro, LR_FAQ.1,
LR_FAQ.2, LR_FAQ.3, LR_FAQ.4, LR_FAQ.5, LR_FAQ.6.   They correspond to the
parts of the FAQ as found on the web page.

	The Web page will allways have the most current version as I make
little updates every few days (mostly on club and vendor information).  I plan 
on making an ASCII version about once a quarter.

	Also if you have any club or vendor information that I don't have,
please email Dixon or myself.  

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 21:38:26 +0800
From: OscarM <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Sightings...Rover jpgs

http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/series3.jpg
http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/rangy1.jpg
http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/rangy2.jpg

omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:30:47 -0500
Subject:  Any Santanas in US ?

>I.  As to Steve's query
>about Santana LRs in the US, I knew of one 109" for sale in western >Mass.
>last year.  It sounded great on paper, but seemed expensive.  Also, I
>believe a fellow named Bill in Cincinnati has one that Jeff wrote up in
>the RN newsletter last year.

>Frank Twarog
>Burlington, VT

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Hi,
About 8-9 years ago there was a SIII 109 Santana With a chev 6,For sale here
in Paradise,CA.Legally registered.! The owner was out of state or country and
a relative was selling it. I think it was around $5000. It sat about a
year.It was eventually bought by someone down around LA.

Bob Bernard

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:29:23 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Uncle Roger scores big (GPS) and Granny was right!

I am now a proud owner of a only-slightly-less-common-than-dormobiles, 
ever-popular Garmin GPS45!  How did a poor (and I mean broke) schmuck like me 
finally get my hands on a GPS, after depositing huge amounts of drool in 
various West Marine stores, and lusting after them for years?

Well, all it takes is a totally cool brother.  Yep, Stan (the one I've gotten 
hooked on rovers) got me one for my birthday.  My roommate Craig coughed up 
the mounting bracket, cigarette lighter adapter, and PC software to go with 
it.  (And to be fair, the excessive gift certificate to Tower Records (to 
replace the 22 CD's stolen from my desk at work), TriBond game, truffles, and 
(coolest of all) videos of The Wrong Trousers and A Grand Day Out(? I forget 
the name but it's still cool) that Rachel got me was great too.)

Anyway, as Granville said at the Mendocino run, the best way to spend one's 
50th birthday is in the company of other LR owners.  

Went to lunch with a bunch of the local (Silicon Valley) LR folks (lotsa 
discos, a D90, 2 109's, and Bill Growl's 88" Elphino) and even had a good 
beer (don't tell HP!) to go with my Buffalo Burger.  

Then, headed out to Scotty's to play some poker, and was completely surprised 
by the arrival of my roommate along with my sister.  (Rachel and Stan and I 
had gone out together.)  Pizza, beer, Cake, and a gift of one of only two in 
existance LROA wall clocks rounded out the evening.  And to boot, I even won 
at Poker!  

Wow!  

So anyway, anyone know of cool GPS software I should get?  

Thanks everyone!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:29:14 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Models

> Does anybody know of a source of glue-together type Land-Rover models? I
> Found 1 thru Triple C in Pennsylvania 717=854=4081 . Still looking for
> other sources... 

Give Hobby Heaven a call.  I was at my cousin's (rock star, race car builder, 
etc.) place for thanksgiving and took a look at one of their list of model 
car kits.  I did see one Land Rover kit listed (Monogram 2279 -- 1981 Land 
Rover) at $25.  (These are older kits, I think.)  They also had a couple of 
Range Rovers.  Complete info is:

Hobby Heaven
P.O. Box 3229
Grand Rapids, MI 49501
1-616-453-1094

Enjoy!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 14:57:32

Thanks to all re: weatherstripping woes. On to new problems! As a recent 
inductee to to Rover fraternity I'm not up to snuff on all the combined 
wisdom. I'm having difficulty getting the diesel to fire on very cold (<30 
F)mornings. The neighbors have so far been either too kind to say anything or 

are simply plotting secretly to grab me just before another session of 
endlesss engine cranking at 6 a.m.. I think this is due to wimpy 6V batteries 

that were installed by the previous(cheapskate)owner. 
Glow plugs test out fine,I leave them on for at least a minute and sometimes 
more. The key to getting the engine started is RPMs. If it cranks fast, it 
starts fast (this holds true for the Volvo marine diesel in my sailboat). 
Therefore I think I need MORE POWER-ERGHH! Anybody have a solution to this?
I wonder if two 12v batteries in parallel would work or do I simply need to 
get two ultra robust 6v units. HMMM. 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington,MD 20895
301-949-9475

1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense"

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 15:02:00

Thanks to all re: weatherstripping woes. On to new problems! As a recent 
inductee to to Rover fraternity I'm not up to snuff on all the combined 
wisdom. I'm having difficulty getting the diesel to fire on very cold (<30 
F)mornings. The neighbors have so far been either too kind to say anything
or 
are simply plotting secretly to grab me just before another session of 
endlesss engine cranking at 6 a.m.. I think this is due to wimpy 6V batteries 
that were installed by the previous(cheapskate)owner. Glow plugs test out 
fine,I leave them on for at least a minute and sometimes more. The key to 
getting the engine started is RPMs. If it cranks fast, it starts fast (this 
holds true for the Volvo marine diesel in my sailboat). 
Therefore I think I need MORE POWER-ERGHH! Anybody have a solution to this?
I wonder if two 12v batteries in parallel would work or do I simply need to 
get two ultra robust 6v units. HMMM. 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington,MD 20895
301-949-9475

>1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense"

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:23:50 -0500
Subject: Models & Sources

With Christmas approaching some Land Rover models and US sources:
109 Ser III Station Wagon? (have not seen) Heller 1/43 plastic kit: TC $7.95
RR 4 door? (have not seen) Aoshima 1/24 plastic kit: TC $39.00
D90 Hardtop, Britain’s 1/32: TC $24.95, AB $24.95
D90 Hardtop w/ trailer, Britain’1/32: RN $30.00
Discovery, Britain’s 1/32: RN $22.50
Discovery (Police), Britain’s 1/32: TC $24.95, RN $25.00, AB $19.95
Discovery (Rally), Britain’s 1/32: RN $25.00
Range Rover, (police), Matchbox: TC $15.00
Range Rover, Solido 1/43: TC $18.00
109 Station Wag. Made in Germany, plastic assembled, great for kids: TC
$19.95, AB $16.95
AB = Atlantic British 1-800-533-2210
RN = Rovers North 1-802-879-0032
TC = Triple C 1-717-854-4081

For a very complete selection of LR models in Wales:
01678 520820
Direct dial from US 011-44-1678-520820 (rem. 5 hrs ahead of EST)

Note: I have no connection with any of the above.

David Cockey
1960 88” II SW
1960 88” II PU

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:23:43 -0500
Subject: Series II Trivia

The Series II LR was introduced in 1958 and the Series I became the Series I.
At the end of 1961 the Series IIA replaced the Series II.

What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60
Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the
hood (bonnet)?

David Cockey
1960 88” II SW
1960 88” II PU

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 21:31:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Series II trivia

> What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60
> Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the
> hood (bonnet)?

    Gee, this is pretty embarassing, since my 88 is a SII and I don't
    know the answer right off the top of my head!  I'll name everything
    I can think of off the top of my head:

    -- Funky valence panel between the front bumper and grill.  Two
    pieces riveted together that are flatter and longer than the one I
    see on other Rovers.

    -- "Pendant" tie rod ends, i.e. the nut's on top and they hang down
    below the part they attach to.

    -- My headlights seem different than everyone else's; they stick out
    farther, with bigger and rounder chrome rims (I'm starting to reach
    here...)

    -- Horn button is on a stalk attached to the steering column, not in
    the center of the wheel.

    -- If it still has the original exhaust system, you can see it
    coming into the left wheel well and travelling under the floorboard
    to go under the vehicle.

    -- Would the optional one be the door locks?  They perform their
    locking on the *outside* of the vehicle, with a pawl catching onto a
    post inside the handle pocket; the lock is attached to the handle
    itself.

    Just for good measure, mine has another feature only ever seen on
    SII's, and only a small number of them sent to Canada (where mine
    came from): one-piece doors!  Kinda like the rear 2 doors of a 109
    SW.  One continuous piece, with the galvanized "capping" just a
    piece bolted to the outside, and little drain tubes coming down from
    the window tracks and poking out through the door skin.

    Duncan, whose VA license plate reads  "SERIES 2"

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Subject: Re: Series II Trivia 
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 19:08:33 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199512022224.RAA16751@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

> The Series II LR was introduced in 1958 and the Series I became the Series I.
> At the end of 1961 the Series IIA replaced the Series II.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the
> hood (bonnet)?

	I'll take a crack at this one.  But first what did you mean by "later
Series IIA"?   Does later mean just that the SIIA was made after the SII, or
are you differentiating between SIIs and SIIAs made after, say, 1968 when the
headlights moved from the breakfast to the wings?  I'll assume that you are
asking the difference between the SII and early SIIAs

1.The Serial number of the SIIA has a suffix letter starting with an 
  "A", look on the right front spring horn.
2.The Series IIA introduced the 2.25L diesel.  A badge nenoting this is found
  on the grill, normally the lower left courner of the grill (as you face the
  rever from the front)
3.The steering arms (connecting the tie rod to the swivel balls) was relocated
  from attatching to the top of the swivel ball to attaching to the bottom of 
  the swivel ball.
4.In Oct 1963 the headlamps were changed to a flat lenses from a convex lens
  design used in all previous Land Rovers.
4.Early in 1962, a 12 seat 109" models became availible, having 6 inward facing
  seats insead of bench seats.  (10 seaters were taxed as cars and 12 seaters
  were not)   [This must be the option]

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 22:43:20 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Christmas Decorations For Your Rover?

Well, I just finished decorating the Rover for Christmas.  200 white lights (and plenty of duct tape) outlining the bonnet, wings, windscreen, rear door and roof, powered by a little 12VDC-to-120VAC inverter.  Looks great at night, hideous in the day.  Hope the duct tape doesn't bond permanently to the paint in the next month -- I'll have to peel off a piece every couple of days to check.  Also hope it doesn't rain much!

I don't usually do anything this elaborate.  Usually a wreath with bow and some battery-powered lights.  But since we moved from a house to an apartment this year, I guess I just needed something else to light up.

So I started wondering -- does anyone else decorates their Rover for the holidays?

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