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1 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr28Re: Customs parts vehicle
2 Mark Perry [rxq281@freen42Such a deal
3 hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.n22Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
4 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE30 RE: Valve Job Blues
5 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE25 Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
6 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca40[not specified]
7 jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)7Rover Sighting
8 "Matthew Holding (AUS)" 73Down Under Clubs
9 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE19 Military LR part wanted
10 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr37Re[2]: DAP experiences
11 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Crash test dummies
12 rover@pinn.net (Alexande29Pink Panther ops & others
13 DatIO@aol.com 12Magazines
14 Eric Russell [erussell@c30Re: Magazines
15 mtalbot@InterServ.Com (M38Re: Diamond in the bushes (109)
16 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu39Re: Isuzu Diesels in U.S.


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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:12:11 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Customs parts vehicle 

 Mark Talbot <mtalbot@InterServ.Com> writes:

>He wants to know if he takes the engine and g'box out, removes the glass and 
 the odd door, removes the rusted x-member, then does this then mean its a 
 parts vehicle.

 In previous conversation with Customs they would like you to remove the
 engine only, and in the same breath they will tell you that you can bring
 the engine in too if you ship it seperately.  That is, no single shipment
 is to have a complete vehicle.

 In reading the advisory pamphlets and some of the regulations of Customs,
 EPA, DOT, and California State, you can bring the entire working vehicle
 in if you don't ever expect to register it for on-road use in any state.
 When you declare this option on the import form you are effectively barred
 from registering the vehicle unless you take it out and bring it back as
 a new import application later.  Ask US Customs for their pamphlet and list
 of exceptions.

 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 04:21:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: Such a deal

1. Mark Talbot agonizes over a 109 for $750? Sure it'll need a couple of
thou put into it ( a few thou in Canada) but it's got lots of features for
that money. New rear X-members are cheap (it's paying the chassis shop
that costs $$, as I'm finding out, even as we e-mail, but does my 88 ever
look nice all perked up on its new springs) I'd jump on that 109 if I had
the $$. 

2. A band-aid for overdrive noise (and noise at speed): those yellow foam 
E.A.R. industrial hearing protectors. Takes the edge off the screaming 
whine. Cheap. 

3. Unusal TV sighting. Investigative Reports on A&E did a show on Ted 
Kennedy and the Chappaquidick tragedy in 1969. A series of stills were 
shown of the recovery of the fateful auto from the water. Recovery 
vehicle was a 109 SW, possibly local fire department (it was red and 
has some sort of signage on the door.) Could it still be around?

4. As a Western Canadian, discussion of heated winshield - er, windscreens
- interests. I've wondered why such aren't more common, but am reminded of
being told by a friend that early attempts at Austin Mini etc. rear window
defoggers with wire embedded in glass led to stress cracking from
temperature extremes (winter daytime temps of -20-30C normal in
Winterpeg.) Does that sound reasonable, or was he fullovit? I also once
read that in Siberia, double-pane windscreens are used: ever been tried on
L-Rs? We also use clear plastic stick-on frost shields here, and I had one
on the back window last winter, but they won't work on the side windows if
I want to slide them open, which is academic as they freeze shut anyhow.
The Kodiak blown defrosters worked just fine this winter past anyhow, even
on the coldest nights, keeping both windscreens and door windows clear.
(But it's a dry cold.)

Cheers

Mark Perry 
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 1966
Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
"Yes, I can see quite well over the spare tire." 

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From: hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:24:59 +1200
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>The reason I was asking was not out of a desire to save money by substitutuing
>junk, but to upgrade from the original type of perishable rubber line.

Fair enough.

I just brought up an old in from the garage to measure it.  The whole
thing is 40cm long, including the ends, which are 3/8" diameter.  One
end is 15/16" long, the other 1/2".  I don't know if the thread is UNF,
BSF, or what, but I count 24 TPI.  Now, your trouble might be that the
tips of each end are slightly different from each other, the short
(wheel) end is flat and the longer end is slighty pointed.  I guess
it's important for them to mate correctly in the fittings and
cylinders.

Good luck.
Hugh

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Sun, 30 Jul 1995 08:58:17 GMT -0600
Subject:       RE: Valve Job Blues 

 
> As I understand it no standard 2.25 litre head will run unleaded.  Most, if 
> not all, 2.5 litre heads will run unleaded because they have hardened valve 
> seats fitted from new.
Snip

A 2.25 head will indeed run unleaded. The only problem is that the valves 
will wear more quickly and recess into the head. The guides perhaps will wear 
a little more quickly also. But in fact the level of lead towards the end of 
lead availability in gas was minute. If you don't have a car designed to run 
on lead or so modified, don't worry about it. It's not worth the cost to make 
the modifications just for that. If you already are doing a valve job, then 
by all means make the conversion then.
But even if you don't, I doubt that you would even notice it over the life of 
your car.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:33:13 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Snip
> (wheel) end is flat and the longer end is slighty pointed.  I guess
> it's important for them to mate correctly in the fittings and
> cylinders.
Hugh,
It is *absolutely* important! The pointed end fits a female fitting with a 
double flare, as opposed to the regualar bubble flare, and the wheel cyl. end 
uses a copper sealing ring (which I belive is the same size as the tappet 
guide retaining screw sealing washer). Otherwise you will end up with leaking 
brakes.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Subject: Water Rovers and Pink Panthers
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 10:48:14 -0500

The SAS Pink Panther thread has re appeared. So i felt it was appropriate 
for all of you to know there is a good look at one of these in detail in 
Wheels And Tracks issue number 9. It gives a history and good look at all 
the components that make up this unique vehicle.

In issue number 2 they have a feature on amphibious Land Rovers aswell.

In the UK back issues are available through After The Battle at Church 
House Church Street London E15 3JA phone 0815348833 fax 0815557567

In US Bill Dean Books Ltd PO Box 69 Whitestone NY 11357

in Canada Vanwell publishingLtd 1 Northrup Cres St Catherines Ont L2M 6P5

In NZ South Pacific Books Imports Ltd 6 King St  Grey Lynn Auckland 2 
PO Box 68097 Newton Auckland 

In OZ Technical Books and Magazine Company Pty Ltd  289-299 Swanston 
Street Melbourne, Victoria 3000

In NL Quo Vadis, Postbus 3121, 3760 DC Soest, Netherlands

bTW The water Rover issue has a colour pic of a 101 and powered trailer 
on back cover. The Pink Panther issue has a clour pic of the same on the 
back cover and some info on the JRA 110 HD 6 X 6 inside.

Rgds

Robin Craig

PS perhaps someone could post this to the FAQ?

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:01:11 -0700
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Rover Sighting

Jet Li's newest Hong Kong action film "High Risk" features an opening
sequence with several rovers, including a prominent military lightweight.

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Date: 30 Jul 95 13:33:25 EDT
From: "Matthew Holding (AUS)" <100036.2103@compuserve.com>
Subject: Down Under Clubs

Hello all you drivers of quality British engineering.

Just a note from >down-under< about clubs and membership.
Tiffany seems to have stirred up a can of worms by suggesting that you all need
to join an Australian club.
Probably not necessary unless you plan to move over here.  Why not - there's
more LRs to choose from !
Seriously though, Tiffany's club did arise mainly because a fairly social style
"Land Rover Club" here accepted other vehicles as members interests developed
over the years.  This club did not want to kick out their friends just because
they bought a Toycar or Mitsipussy or some other 4WD without class.  Seems fair
enough, but the club became more of a 4WD club and has since commendably changed
its name to "Landroving Club".  And the Land Rover Register, and a 48-58 S1
club, were formed to cater for specialist needs.  But this is all recent local
history.

You do not have to own a Rover to like them, and there were Rovers before 1947!
The Rover Car Club of South Australia Inc. accepts members who are simply
interested in "One of Britain's Fine Cars" whether they be interested in Rover
Cars, LRs, RRs, or even Rover bicycles.   Being friendly folk we even let a
member stay in the club when he bought a Honda - oops it did have a Rover badge
<G>.   We are mainly concerned with the preservation of the Rover marque and we
>>insure dedication to the breed<< by boring the pants off anyone who doesn't
eat, sleep and breathe Rover.   Simple really :-)    Most of the LRs in our club
are Series 1,2,3 but the local dealers are trying hard to sell us Discos and the
latest RR for only $112,000AUS.
This is a club of >>true believers<< who drive their Rover P6 to work, their P3
to club events, and their LR thousands of miles to get parts for the whole
collection and to show off what it can do.  We are 18 this year.  I guess now
our cars can all drink and smoke if they like :-)

DON'T JOIN OUR CLUB !   Yes we are friendly, even to >>smegging foreign
rubbish<< (not my words),  but really although we would like you to join (at
only A$30 a year - about US$21, 20 will do) you would only really get just
another magazine full of things you can't go to.  If you are coming down under
you will be welcomed as a guest at our meetings/events with open arms.  

WE DO like to foster contact between clubs for the mutual benefit of all our
members.  This does not mean joining each other's clubs and spending more money
on "Rover", but simply by starting an exchange of magazines.  This does provide
benefits such as a broader information base for all clubs involved and contacts
for travelling members.   If you haven't already done so - JOIN YOUR LOCAL CLUB
because the clubs are the ones doing the most to help preserve the marque and
the parts supplies for your precious vehicle.

To start the ball rolling - our snail mail address is 
Rover Car Club of SA Inc.
PO Box 342
North Adelaide  5006
South Australia

or catch me here, on Rovernet or British-Cars or fax: 61 (AUS) 8  254 8783.
Would love to here from you and get more clubs in contact.

*** Personal ad. ***
Land Rovers are a bit too big to mail over, but I, and some club members,
collect brochures/books for Rover Cars and LRs, models, sales lit. and other
Solihull memorabilia.  Always interested if you have anything.
Also collect old cameras :-)

Only get here once a week, so sorry for rambling on,
cheers

Matthew Holding  (Secretary -  Rover Car Club of South Australia)
- Rover P6B 1970, P6 1970, P4 1958, P4 1951 + in family P3 1949, many P4s, P5,
P5B, LR 1948,49,52.
- Land Rover 1952 80" in pieces, 1955 86" soft top under running restoration.
- Picture of the new Range Rover.  (All I'll get for a while...)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:37:06 GMT -0600
Subject:       Military LR part wanted

I have a signal flasher for my lightweight that I bought as a spare but have 
discovered that it is a 24v, my LR is 12v. Does anyone have a 12v that 
they by chance would be interested in trading? It has to be from an MoD 
surplus as they are different from civy flashers.
Or an extra 12v flasher you would sell?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:03:23 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re[2]: DAP experiences

Michael Carradine previously wrote:
    I have to agree with Al somewhat in considering net-users exceeding
    the worst gaggle of old wo/men chattering away; and I add, willing to
    destroy a reputation with a keystroke.
Tom Rowe <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> replied:
    Actually, that sounds like Al, but it's probably a case of needing to
    know him to get the sense of where he's "coming from". I actually ran
    up some pretty high phone bills "chattering" with him.
While Spencer K C Norcross <Spenny@aol.com> of Haverhill, Mass. USA writes:
    Regarding DAPs reputation:
    I cant speak from personal experience, but I will relate the experience
    of a friend....
    after seeing that experience I would sooner buy parts from the LR
    *Dealership* than risk dealing with Al & DAP
Then Spencer goes on to comment about Michael Carradine's posting: 
    if you dont like the chattering you can unsubscribe, until then you can
    chatter away *offline* with your good friend Al.
    I will also add: that is the most pompous remark i have seen posted to
    this mailing list to date

OK, Spencer.  I have no intention of becoming an apologist for Al, not that
any apologies are warranted.  As you can see, those who know Al as Tom and I
do are not offended by a "pompous" manner and sometimes rough language.

As to Al's observations, they are proving themselves correct.  I'm guilty
of chattering in repeating Al's comments, and you're willing to destroy DAP's
fine reputation with a quaint little story that is nothing more than heresay!

 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:44:38 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Crash test dummies

Been away for a few days, so pardon me if this is old hat....

The national insurance test center is in Greene County, Virginia.  They have 
this huge facility where they basically launch vehicles down the track 
(using aircraft carrier catapults) into a 70 ton steel block.  The barrier 
is floated into place on a cushion of air so they can get all kinds of 
*unusual* impacts (like slicing cars in half).  Maybe I should check it out 
for scavengable Disco/RR bits.  There was some rumor going around twenty or 
so years ago where the British equivalent of DoT used a barrier-equipped 
Land-Rover to smack into *parked* cars to test them.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:44:57 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Pink Panther ops & others

WRT the thread on PP conversions...one of the chaps in ROAV back in the 
'70's had a .30 Browning MG (albeit with the receiver cut in half and 
re-welded) mounted on his roll-bar with a roll of camo-netting draped across 
the bonnet.  Let me tell you, traffic *did* get out of his way!

Mark Talbot writes about importing "parts vehicles".  This is a routine way 
of getting vehicles in...take out the engine and tranny, take off the top, 
etc.  One bloke brought in a 101 Rapier missile tractor that way.  For 
engines, remove the head and you can bring virtually *anything* in as "parts".

Concerning British Rovers/DAP, I have *always* gotten excellent service from 
Bruce at BR, now DAP.  Someone said they preferred "service" over "price", 
but they have *both* even on obscure, no-longer-supplied parts like the 
reverse lamp switch.  Often times, TWO DAY delivery, even when I didn't ask 
for it.  The only problems was reaching them for about a month, but they 
were moving lock, stock and barrel from two locations to Springfield, VT.  
Al decided to "retire" and Bruce bought out the business/inventory/etc.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: DatIO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:29:35 -0400
Subject: Magazines

Could someone please give me a list of Land Rover magazines and their
respective address/phone/fax.  I need some LR periodical visual stimulation!
 Thanks-
Clay Janes
(no LR yet; but that Series I 107 sounds good...  actively looking for a
Series IIa 88.  Help!)

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <erussell@cln.etc.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Magazines

	Our Club gets a regular copy of,
	"Land Rover World".
	It's a very interesting magazine with good articles and useful 
advertisements. The subscription contacts are:
	Telephone:  081 597 7335
	Fax:	    081 599 5965
	Address:  Land Rover World Subscriptions Department
		  Hainault Road
	 	  Little Heath, Romford
		  Essex, ENGLAND
		  RM6 5NP
Regards,
	Eric Russell, RoverNet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

erussell@cln.etc.bc.ca
Grade 6 teacher at Ridgeview Elementary School, West Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Secretary of The Rover Car Club of Canada

On Sun, 30 Jul 1995 DatIO@aol.com wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Could someone please give me a list of Land Rover magazines and their
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Clay Janes
> (no LR yet; but that Series I 107 sounds good...  actively looking for a

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 18:09:44 PDT
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: Diamond in the bushes (109)

All, 

I have just gone through a "walk-through" on the 109 I found last week. 

The vehicle is a 62 SIIA, safari station wagon, tropical roof, kodiak heater. 
The body is in GREAT condition, not a dent on it !!!! The doors are an 
incredible state after spending 4 years in a bush ! The interior panels, in 
the old "elephant" hide is in good condition and the seats have NO rips. The 
rear bench seats are all in place, the back jump seats are still hocked up. 
The engine was rebuilt 5 years ago by an old Rover dealer in Jaffery NH, and 
it started first time ! 

No the downsides : it needs a rear crossmember, and perhaps a set of rear 
springs, the brakes need to be looked at but I suspect that it just needs new 
seals all round and a good bleeding will sort it all out. The clutch master 
cylinder will need a new seal and again a good bleeding. And that's it ! It 
needs a good power wash underneath and then a good coat of paint, the chassis 
has had new outriggers, front horns, again work carried out by the Rover shop 
in NH.

So why am I posting this, well I have decide to sell it on to someone who 
wants it. I'm not joking when I say that this veicle is in exceptional 
condition for its age and the fact that it's been lying around for 5 years. 

I was real lucky to have found this vehicle, and I'm faced with this choice, 
sell it to someone or keep it and do it up and then sell it. Oh what to do ! 

So for now, its up for sale. If anyone is interested then send me and e-mail 
or call me 603-357-3401. price is neg.

Mark

 

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Isuzu Diesels in U.S.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:59:12 +0930 (CST)

Mark asks about conversion kits for Isuzu Diesels to land rovers:

Funny about this I've just been checking around..  The 3.9 4BD1 as fitted to
the OZ 110's and Perentje/Bushrangers aparently differs from a standard 4bd1,
but only in the flywheel housing which apparently can be changed.  I'm
awaiting a fax to confirm this and costs...

There are kits available to fit the following Isuzu engines to Both the LT95
4sp (Rangie) and the older series Land-rover box (at least thats what I think
he said) 
Engines covered include 4BB 4BC2 4BD 4BD1 4BD1T 4BE1 

Kit includes adapter plate, Flywheel,spigot bearing, mounts, bolts and
instructions.   Cost is $1136 AUD tax included butr will be considerably
cheaper for overseas purchasers....

Apparently a 4BD1 into a 4cyl rover is a very tight squeeze but is a bit
better into a six..   
A sugested engine for a series rover was the 2.4L CT40 (I think)   kit cost
~$850 

The bloke I talked to was working on a kit for the 4JB1T...    As
much power as the 4BD1T but smaller.

I'm awaiting a fax/Snail-mail which will provide more details I hope.

The manufacturer in question is Zenith Engineering, Brisbane Australia 
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll follow up off line...

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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