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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:49:22 -0400
Subject: Koenig WInch and OD

Can PTO attatchments be connected through the back of a Fairey OD?  There's a
cover there; is it just for service or to facilitate PTO use?  My Koenig is
supposed to be driven off the rear PTO port.  My OD is brand new and I hate
to take it off this truck.  Oh, well, I guess I could always tell my wife I
need another Series truck to put the winch on! :-)  Oh, if anyone has the PTO
version of the Koenig, how did you modify your exhaust pipe that comes off
the exhaust manifold!        Happy Rovering!   John Cassidy, Bangor, Maine
1966 Series IIA Petrol
1987 Range Rover County
1995 Discovery(wife's vehicle)

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:09:05 -0400
Subject: Re: engine speeds for break in

In a message dated 95-07-22 04:51:07 EDT, you write:

>!
>>I always heard the key when breaking in a new engine was
>>to avoid constant revs for any extended period of time.  I never did
>>understand why, though, so this may be folklore.

I believe the reason to avoid constant speeds for extended times is to
prevent accelerated wear on bearing surfaces in the event the engine is not
perfectly balanced (and what engine is) . The imperfect balance can set up
harmonic oscillations in the rotating assemblies which will wear down the
high side of the bearing suffering the brunt of the oscillations.  I think
OEMs are just worried about buying your car and driving 1845 miles to your
aunt's house before "breaking it in." T
The problem with this theory is that after break in, you still have harmonic
oscillations from your poorly balanced engine...and the paper didn't go on
with that one. -Ah, must have been some dimwitted science-type trying to make
a buck :>)

John 
CARB, Engineer in search of a buck so I can pay off my:
Defender90

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:51:19 -0400
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: Re: save the D90!

At 12:53 PM 7/20/95 -0700, John Hong wrote:
>kept a smaller line going to make em - the thing is the orders were there - 
>not just the desire.  Letter campaigns and appeals won't do it - bucks talk 
>- the rest walk or drive something else...

Too true, John!    And let us not forget the culprit depressing U.S. sales,
which is government interference adding a 25% tariff for no good reason.  (I
haven't seen a D90 new-sale "sticker" but I hope there is a line item on it
that reads:

      Your Government          $6,000

or whatever the actual tariff is.

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-- Randy Parker, NoteSystems, Brookline, MA   (rparker@tiac.net)
   WWW Page:     http://www.tiac.net/users/rparker/
   "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence; it is force.  Like fire,
it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." -- George Washington
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:51:17 -0400
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: Re: Discovery first impressions

At 02:33 PM 7/20/95 -0500, John B. Friedman wrote:

>	The one area that seemes to pose problems is the rear  
>visbility, as several of you have mentioned. 

The factory rear-view mirror is too tiny, especially for a vehicle with
generous amounts of glass all around.   To improve this, I added one of the
clip-over extra-wide mirrors and it made a huge difference on visibility.

>	The car was a pleasure to drive and has a flat low body sway(  
>at least by comparison to the Trooper) ride which made me question  
>the CR evaluation of its handling. 

Yes, I thought that CR overstated things, although at least they passed the
car.  One other car-reviewing mag (maybe Consumers Digest?) flunked the
Disco as unacceptable originally due to tippiness, and just retracted that
in the latest issue due to a "re-evaluation" of the vehicle prompted by LRNA.

>	Disturbing feature today. I was in traffic and may have  
>bumped the diff. lever slightly in shifting as I suddenly found my  
>self in neutral diff. a couple of times, either it is popping out or  
>I don't have it in solidly. Anyone have any thoughts on this? 

Diff level seems very solid on mine.

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-- Randy Parker, NoteSystems, Brookline, MA   (rparker@tiac.net)
   WWW Page:     http://www.tiac.net/users/rparker/
   "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence; it is force.  Like fire,
it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." -- George Washington
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 01:23:02 +0100
From: caloccia@land-rover.team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: I'm back !!!

And Majordomo's been hard at work so almost nobody should have known I was
gone !

I'll be writing of my adventures a bit later...

 -Bill

In my travels I picked up the following:

"Land-Rover Technical Details, November 1969", covers 88", 109", 109" 1-ton
 and 110" FC, 32 pages, shirt-pocket sized

"a guide to Land-Rover expeditions", 9th ed. Rover Company Ltd, May 1972,
A5 sized, 24 pages

"Land-Rover and Range Rover, Proprietary equipment and special conversions",
Everything from the Eberspacher (heater), to Shorland Armoured vehicles,
and the Cineroma... approx 64 pages, A5 size, 12/74, R/T/BL

"Land-Rover Saleman's Manual", The Rover Co, 3/72, 110 pages, GBC bound, A5
size

"Rover: First Class Travel", glossy, 16pg, 10/72

  (all the above for a fiver at the ARC Nationals)

"The complete guide to a Four-Wheel Drive in Souther Africa", Andrew
St.Pierre White,  ISBN 095837515-1.
        Aside from the 44 pages dedicated to describing near every type
        of 4wd available in SA (mechanical details - engine specs, power,
        gear ratios, Steering, dimensions, etc.) the remaining 200 pages
        feature (surprise) mostly Land-Rover and Range Rover products in
        the shots, but then the two door white RR on the cover might have
        clued you into the author's preferences... (60 Rand)

Other toys acquired along the way:
---------------------------------
Burago 1/47 Land Rover Aziza (red), Lire 2400
Burago 1/47 Land Rover Aziza (brown), (with 1/43 Ferrari 348) Lire 4400
Solido 'Yesterday' 1/43 Range Rover 2-door (1987, metallic Green),
        opening doors, etc. 24,000Lire
Majorette 'Remote Radar' NASA 90" w/light bar &  trailer
Majorette 'Land Rover' Safari 90" w/rack
Majorette 'Rescue Team' 2-door Range Rover w/ roof ladder, lights
        All Majorettes  (+2nd Safari) 12,000Lire

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 22:34:26 -0400
Subject: 5 speed etc...

Jory wrote:
Anyways, I would appreciate any info on clean 5-speed conversions, if such a
thing exists. Thanks...

Save yourself a bunch of money (and possibly heartache)-call neutral a speed
and you have one already! ("Don't change the program, change the
documentation") (It works good; I have 2 speed wiper motors: on and off! This
is how us poor people let ourselves feel rich)

 Also, Jory wrote:
I just don't like the OD... noisy and inelegant... even when compared to the
rest of a series vehicle ;)

what? speak up?
buy yourself some noisy tires to drown out the whine of the OD!
 (or put the OD in a box and send it to me!)

>From the Republic of Vermont   <-- strange but true
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 
1    
3     <-- This is how mine fires    
4
2

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:05:37 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Zenith carbs

I've seen this mentioned a half-dozen times in the past weeks.  Now, once 
and for all, *there is NO "mixture screw" on a Zenith carb*!!!

The screw at the base of the carb is the "slow running" idle jet, designed 
to leak a small amount of fuel past the closed throttle butterfly.  On the 
North American 36IVE ("E" for "emissions"), there used to be the fuel 
cut-off solenoid, which has been replaced by the idle screw on the 36IV 
carbs.  The *only* way to adjust the mixture is to swap main jets.

And yes, Rover did market a limited slip diff for about a half year in late 
'66 or early '67, fitted almost exclusively to NADA vehicles as an option. 
(I believe the diff has a slightly different external appearance.)  Due to 
the thing sheddin' teeth, it was promptly withdrawn.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:05:29 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Expedition prep

Andy Grafton writes about prepping two 109's for an expedition.

Somewhere (J.C. Whitless?), I've seen these polyethylene (or some other 
polymer) sheets that are fitted between each leaf spring.  The anti-slip of 
grease but without its funk-attractant properties.  Might be worth a shot.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:05:33 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: CityCabs

Rover was asked to provide 31 vehicles for "Judge Dredd".  All had to be 
functional, while only one or two were completely outfitted on the inside.  
What is remarkable is that Rover had something like three months from scale 
drawings to final delivery.  The base vehicle was a 101 FC.  Several will be 
making the rounds of US and UK theaters for publicity.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 21:09:54 PDT
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

The Def 90 postings I've been reading of late are quite interesting. Most of 
the theories presented as to the `96 MY D90 are sound. Even though I intercept 
cleared information somewhat earlier than others due to my occupation, I don't 
get the gospel as to why certain strategic decisions are made - even my 
sources don't know absolutes.

Yes, only about 3000 D90's were slated for NA. The latest D90's LRMW has in 
inventory are in the 2600+ range. 

There were somewhat over 1900 `94's brought in, and somewhere around 1500 
scheduled as `95 models. That includes to the best of my knowledge the 540 D90 
Station Wagons which will begin to arrive in one or two months. As soon as we 
get the first one in, I'll inspect the sequence number and post it for the 
digest.

All of the *business* reasons presented in earlier postings were sound. J. 
Hong was correct concerning the cost to build this vehicle. It is virtually 
hand built - which is why no two seem to be quite alike as far as things 
lining up, functioning - although the PDI efforts which have been carried out 
by LRNA and the local dealer net traps many things which sneak past the 
factory. The customer wins. In the old BL days, they came from the factory to 
you! That's it!

Every change performed to a vehicle from one model year to the next requires a 
certification process. Start adding overlays onto this process in the form of 
higher safety and emission standards and the costs to bring in basically a 
1958 Land Rover reach a point where the any potential profit margin to the 
manufacturer would result in a vehicle with a price point to the buyer which 
renders it unsaleable. It already (as we all know) is stretching the limit. 
What sells the D90 is its performance - particularly off road. Most of us 
Roverheads that have owned product for many many years are not amused by that 
statement - but to the average Rover *newbie* the D90 is legitimately an 
awesome vehicle. A Wrangler Sahara is over 20,000! Put one up on a lift and 
look and then look under the D90. Like the difference between a boat and a 
battleship! Exclusivity, image, marque values are all highly subjective buying 
rationale and do result in some sales. But not nearly as much as performance, 
alloy panels, big chassis, disc brakes, V8, safety cage bolted to the chassis, 
etc. etc. Yes, this is what (the buyers I've seen thus far for this vehicle) 
buyers respect. Especially when nothing 
else out there has any of it!

This vehicle is still the *lowboy* to the mfr. as far as profit! Why do you 
think that you can't buy a Wrangler here anymore with the 4.0L 6? That was the 
*ONLY* thing that made the wretched little machine palatable to anybody. 
Because the bread-and-butter (high volume) Cherokee needed the engine and 
there's a lot more 
profit in that model for Chrysler.

By the way, there will be no 1996 Jeep Wrangler either. 

It (Jeep) is being redesigned for the DOT 97 standards. 

We can hope and pray that the Defender or its replacement is also. Meanwhile, 
appreciate the D90 as it is and for what it is. It still (like all Land 
Rovers) puts lotsa smiles per miles on happy owners' faces!

cheerz
Jim - now completely mad... and loving it!

1967 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
1967 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
1968 2B 110 F/C Diesel
1970 P6B 3500S
1990 Range Rover County
1993 D110
1995 D90

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:49:14 -0700
From: johnliu@earthlink.net (John Y. Liu)
Subject: Tell Me About Your Rover "Campers"

I'm in the process of outfitting a 109 with cabinetry to allow using the
truck as a camper (sleeping, storage, etc.).  It occurs to me that I've seen
a few L-R campers with homemade bed/cabinet/etc. built-ins, and no two were
alike.  If you, Gentle Reader, have a L-R camper, please advise how it is
set up.  Maybe I can get some ideas to incorporate into mine.

P.S.  The ones I've seen, in the flesh or in articles, were: one with a
long, wide bench seat/bed along the left side of the bed and cabinetry
including a closet along the right side; another with a bed platform across
the whole bed, at about the height of the bottom of the roofside windows,
and storage underneath; one with the whole roof hinged on the left side,
sort of like a homemade Dormobile; another with the whole roof elevated on
additional roofsides; and various ambulance conversions, which are not
really what I was thinking about since I have a standard 109 to work with. 

John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 02:17:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: falklands LRs

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
"Yes, I can see quite well over the spare tire."

A while back, someone asked about LRs in the Falkland Islands and 
Argentina. I 
have some copies of three news photos (UPI) taken on different dates 
during the 
Argentine occupation which show LRs in the streets of Port Stanley. As 
far as I 
can tell, they are civilian, Falklands registration, 88s, all but one 
hardtops. 
The first is of a Series III, F220, amid Argentine troops and vehicles. 
The 
second is of Argentine troop columns occupying Port Stanley, and shows a 
SII, or
IIA, registration 604, another behind it, not sure if ID, and, going the 
other 
way on the street, a Series, probably III. The third shot shows some 
kelper 
children standing on the tailgate of a canvas-top RHD lightweight, 
watching an 
Argentine soldier walk by.
My July, 1966 book listing Rover distributors and dealers worldwide had The 
Falklands 
Island Co. Ltd., Port Stanley as distributor, and in Argentina, Artymet 
S.A.C,I., 11 de Septiembre 2234, Buenos Aires as Distributors for Cars 
and 
Land-Rovers.

>From those pictures it would appear the LR is the basic utility vehicle 
of the kelpers, like Ford and GM pickups are hereabouts.

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