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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hi! Diesel answers. please...
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 9:47:22 BST

The manual says 20/50,and while you mat get away with 15/50
for the petrol engine,I would *never* run the diesel on it
It simply isnt worth the risk.Dont forget that the bottom
end is withstanding the effects of a 23:1 compression ratio,
rahter than the petrol 7 or 8:1.In fact,over here,a firm
Penrite by name has just introduced a "full-bodied" 20/50
particularly for engines of our era.They maintain that many
modern 20/50 oils simply arent "thick" enough for the more
mature power unit.The other problem is that diesel's tend
to contaminate the lubricating oil with fuel oil,which in
turn thins it even further.
As for the smoke,I would try getting the injectors cleaned,
but unless you have to pass some esoteric "environmental"
test,I wouldnt worry too much.My experience of distributor
pumps,such as it is,is that they are reliable.However,other
folks MMV on this one.
Lastly,I dont know quite how to put this,but if you got
sixty five out of a 2.25 diesel,you aint got much wrong,

Members enjoy the scenery,usually having the opportunity
of observing it in minute detail whilst proceeding on their
leisurely way.Dont worry too much about what the PO ran it
on.If your central heating oil is anything like ours it
virtually *is* diesel.
It *will* slow up for hills,but the max torque is low in
the rev range,and it should chunter unstoppably up most
normal hills.
finally,dont just take my word for it.There are a few more
Oily Wadders on the list.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:01:59 GMT
From: mcka_le0@paisley.ac.uk (Paddy McKay)
Subject: Re: Disco bashing

At 12:32 26/04/95 EDT, MARK C. RITTER wrote:
>I just don't understand the bad press I'm reading about the Disco's
reliability.

I beg to differ Mark. I have already posted my experiences to this list
about gearbox, power steering pump failures, etc.

>I've got 17000 miles and the only problem I've had is that the gas tank
>developed a small leak. The dealer replaced it no questions asked. I am very
>happy with the dealer service at LR North Point in Atlanta. 

To be fair, I have had very good service from the franchise dealer my car
gets serviced at, but at the prices I am paying I would expect to. These
guys have to make a profit, but it does not help that LR put such high
premiums on the value of their franchises.

>Either LR builds a better car for the US
>market or you folks must beet the shit out of your vehicles!

My 1991 Disco has 50,000 miles on it now the bulk of which has been my
motorway (freeway) commuting to and from work (approx 100 miles a day) with
negligible off road driving, and very little towing ie the car has not had
the "shit" beaten out of it. 

>From some of the replies I had to my query, it appears LR UK expect the
dealer to do the final quality cehcks and rectifications. Now maybe this may
not be the case on your side of the pond, but there will always be good cars
and bad cars (lemons). It seems that there have been a few more citrus
flavoured Discos normally expected.

Don't get the wrong idea about all this. I love driving my Disco (especially
in rush hour traffic when I can seewhich lane is clear), and it is great for
what we want it for, but the problems we have had and the cost of these is
frightening.

paddy

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Date: 27 Apr 95 05:52:03 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Dampers

> Maybe I'm stupid (?) but how can one remove the steering damper/relay.

Basically by removing the retaining bolts and pulling out upwards. But in
many cases it has to be literally cut out of the frame and a new cross
member welded back in.

> 1) Filling the unit with an exotic PTFE oil to reduce the friction of the
> damper cones?
Might work; I've also heard of people packing the thing with MoS grease.

> 2) Remove damping cones from relay?

Make my day... try it!

> 3) Fitting external adjustable telescopic steering damper?
> 4) Fitting rack and pinion steering under front cross member? (with #3)

Depends - how long would you expect this setup to last on a Landy under
offroad conditions?

BTW have you taken apart and overhauled a steering relay yet? If not, go
down to your local sports equipment retailer first and get yourself one
of those armoured helmets w/facial protection visor like the ice hockey
goalies use - then proceed to open the relay...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Shifting <-> Low ratio
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:23:03 UNDEFINED

/First of all, you should'nt EVER go into low ratio if the car is still in
/motion at all. Come to a complete standstill, take gear out and keep clutch
/depressed. You _can_ go back into high ratio with the car moving (slowly),
/but you should double-declutch (actually triple-declutch) when doing this.

The double declutch process works equally in eo\ither direction. it is just 
more sensitive while going high -> low, so you need to be WAY more precise. No 
different from teh old days of crash gearboxes. My 90 actually needs a very 
low speed to change at all. It often wont do it if completely staionary

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 09:24:17
From: Alan Walker <alan@afos.demon.co.uk>
Subject: No Subject

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:29:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Olympic Steeltrek Radials

Hi Andy,

>Olympic Steeltrek Radials

Olympic is a famous brand name for remoulds.  Are we talking the same
company here?

--
Best Regards,
Steve.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Disco bashing
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:30:51 UNDEFINED

/I just don't understand the bad press I'm reading about the Disco's 
/reliability.I've got 17000 miles and the only problem I've had is that the 
/gas tankdeveloped a small leak. The dealer replaced it no questions asked. I 
/am veryhappy with the dealer service at LR North Point in Atlanta. This is 
/the firstexclusive LR dealership in the US. Either LR builds a better car for 
/the USmarket or you folks must beet the shit out of your vehicles!

I think the problem is that the Disco is no more or less reliable than any 
other Landrorover product - i.e. pretty bad. Discos show transmission problems 
a lot. LR transmissions are notorious in all theirr products. The Disco gets 
singled out cos it is bought by car drivers who expect the same build quality 
as their Toyota hatchbacks, and get pissed off when they dont get it, at that 
price. 

The RR has teh same problems, but to buy and run a RR you have to be a 
SeriouslyRichFatBastard who isnt goingto notice the repair costs, so the 
problems are not so high profile..

90s and 110s are bought mostly be folk that know they will fall to bits.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Is this normal?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:35:38 UNDEFINED

/First, say I coming to a stop at a stop light, and I take it out of gear
/and break to a complete stop. If I try to put it back into first gear,
/it grinds. 

It's normal on my 90. I just start off in second. Starting in first or reverse 
makes a big crunch. Always has. If I have to start in first, I snick it 
momentarily into second for teh synchro to do its job, then forward into 
first. No problem. 

And to change down into first, you haveto have teh double declutching just 
perfect or it sounds like the gearbox wants to come into teh cab to say hello. 
Again, always has.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:57:40 +0000
Subject:       Re: Disco bashing

> The RR has teh same problems, but to buy and run a RR you have to be a 
> SeriouslyRichFatBastard who isnt goingto notice the repair costs, so the 
> problems are not so high profile..
Or you buy a cheap second-hand example, expecting to do lots of the work 
yourself, 'cos your an enthusiast ;-)

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:47:43 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Brake servos

Someone on the 'net wrote about a kit for the Series III brake servo and a 
rebuild "kit" being available from RN.  I've tried to get the 'major' 
rebuild kit many times and from many sources...to no avail.  The 'minor' 
rebuild kit consists mostly of the air filter and rubber boot for the pedal 
link shaft.  Anyway, the big internal diaphram is unavailable on this side 
of the pond; my factory manual doesn't have a 'repair' schematic, only a 
'replace/refit' of the entire unit.

The last time out, I had to buy the entire unit from Rovers North (about 
$200) and it was "on sale" at that time.  If anyone on the other side of the 
pond has a line on the diaphram (even though I don't need one right now, 
touch wood), I'd appreciate it.  Also, any tips on rebuilding it...I've got 
my old one to "experiment" on.
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Date: 27 Apr 95 07:59:26 EDT
From: <Glen_Rees@parlon2.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Gearbox problems

     Tim 
     
     I own a '55 SI 86" with no syncro on first gear, the SI & SIIa box's 
     are very similar, the trick is ease the stick as if you were going 
     into 3rd, (but not all the way) then slip it into 1st. This has the 
     effect of spinning the box at the right speed prior changing gear. 
     (also works for reverse)
     
     Parking brake, NEVER pull the parking brake on when moving, this is a 
     Land-Rover golden rule, because it is a transmission brake on the back 
     of the gearbox, the torque set up in the rear drivetrain is 
     phenomenal, and something will snap! (incidentally, under UK Testing, 
     the rolling road test must not be carried out as if it were a 
     conventional car, the vehicle must resist a push test)
     
     To the next 40 years
     Glenn Rees
     

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:37:49 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Gearbox problems

On 27 Apr 1995 Glen_Rees@parlon2.ccmail.compuserve.com wrote:

>      Parking brake, NEVER pull the parking brake on when moving, this is a 
>      Land-Rover golden rule, because it is a transmission brake on the back 
>      of the gearbox, the torque set up in the rear drivetrain is 
>      phenomenal, and something will snap! (incidentally, under UK Testing, 

This is the theory, of course in practice, most of us know what happens: 
The brake will be full of oil from the gear box seal, and it will fail to 
do damage to anything (and to stop anything).

I was travelling in a lightweight with a couple of friends discussing 
this. The driver was the sort to take anything as a challenge, and when 
the other one said "it either snaps a half-shaft or the oil catches fire" 
Of course he _had_ to put on the brake at speed... The cab IMMEDIATELY 
filled with smoke....

Charlie

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:40:50 EST
Subject: Disco warranty

Paddy writes that he has to take his Discovery to the dealer to keep his 
warranty intact. FWIW, those of you in the US with Discoveries *should not* have
to do the same. This particular issue has been tested by independent garages and
if you can document that your vehicle has been serviced to manufacturer 
specifications, you are okay.

Specifically, an independent BMW garage here in Boston (Beaconwood Motors) did 
exactly that and has a letter posted on their wall (prolly from BMW NA, can't 
remember) saying that customers that get serviced at their or any other 
independent garage will *not* lose warranty coverage. So instead of paying $65 
for an oil change, you can pay $25...

IANAL, nor do I play one on the net. YMMV. Check first, but it may be worth big 
bucks!

Later,

Lee Levitt
llevitt@idcresearch.com

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:47:38 -0400
Subject: BSROA irregularities

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but I just got a copy 
of the Bay State Rover Owner's Association Annual Report and I 
noticed some odd things.

I have no experience reading balance sheets, (I'm a Graphic Designer) 
but some of the things still seemed quite wrong...

the first thing I noticed was that the 1994 balance sheet includes 
some $600 in apparent 1995 income.

2) $5500 in advertising expenses. $5500 for a club, 
**I guess it was a BSROA ad I saw in the New Yorker and not a LRNA ad.**
I work for a small printing company, and we spent slightly more than 
$5500 last year in advertising, generating @ 750K in sales. 
What/where could this possibly be spent? This figure is nearly 20% 
of revenue, which is very high for a profit-oriented concern, but for 
a 250 member club, it is beyond outrageous. This is over $24 per 
member, over half of the cost of membership 

3) shipping $33. One would assume that postage for the newsletter 
would be included here, but obviously isn't. Which leads me to...

4) Office Supplies $5600, perhaps postage is included here but it 
shouldn't be, they aren't using a Pitney Bowes machine. This may 
be the scariest number in the report. This figure is over 20% of 
revenue. This seems way out of line. It might be explained if there 
was one large expense, i.e. copy machine, computer, etc. but the 
largest expense is for $915, not enough for any of these items.

5) Utilities- an $800 expense. Huh? If the club a rented/owned space 
where it pays utilities, fine. However there is not a line item for 
rent/mortgage etc. I really don't understand how or why this line 
item exists, let alone how it is $800 a year.

6) Contributions, reimbursements, repayments. There a number of 
these, and they aren't explained in any way.
a) Contribution-Papas $1260, what is this? If he wants to give 
$1200 to the club that's fine, I would think all the time and effort he
donates would be enough, but if he wants to kick in an extra $1200 
I guess that's ok, just a little odd.
b) there is $300 in contribution and donations - to what? why?
c) There is a $300 expense -Reimburse Paley what or who is Paley, 
and what is s/he/it being reimbursed for? Where is the offsetting 
revenue line item?
d) Louvre repayment - a $150 expense. What? Why? Again, where 
is the offsetting revenue line item?

7) $800 in unaccounted revenue, $800! Than could be 40 club 
memberships that are lost, or lord only knows what.

8) Revenues from Events/Raffles & Deposits for Events totals $9516, 
but expenditures from events is only $5966, leaving a profit to the 
club of $3550. This is $15 per member. This is enough to reduce the 
astronomical dues of the club to $25/yr., more in line with other 
club's dues. There is also another odd bookkeeping occurrence here, if 
you prepay, it goes into one line item, if you pay at the event it goes 
into another line item. 

9) Travel & Entertainment. Probably the scariest of all the line 
items... (T&E as it is known to the expense account crowd.) $3640. 
This is close to 10% of revenue. All expenses are loaded into the 
winter months, clearly not during the summer rally season, where 
you would expect to find such expenses. Close to $1600 in the first 
3 months of the year and a $2000 expense in May. I hope I am wrong, 
but it appears that our dues sent Jim to England.
At any cost I don't understand why this line item exists, but at the 
cost of $16 per member, this is  just too much. The only reasonable 
explanation for the existence of this category would be the cost of 
going to rallies. Dubious at best.

10) The line item for membership dues doesn't seem to be correct. 
The last membership number given out was #227 (according to the 
3/95 newsletter) but the total income from dues is $11236, which 
when divided by $40 (cost of yearly membership) yields 281 
members. There are clearly some accounting or reporting errors 
in this document.

Lastly, there is no accounting of club assets and holdings.

Rebating back the cost of Travel & Entertainment and the profit 
from events I just reduced dues to $9 per year. If you add in the 
expense of advertising to the rebate, we are no longer members, 
but now shareholders, with the club spinning off $15 per member, 
almost enough to join OVLR or ROAV, Solihull Society etc..

Does anybody know if the BSROA has any sort of charter, any 
sort of rules governing it?

If anyone wants to see this remarkable document e-mail me and 
I will fax or UUcode and e-mail it to you it to you.

Rgds...
Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA                                   508-521-4093
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 07:20:14 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Tire size for a Land Rover. Thanks!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Tire size for a Land Rover. Thanks!

Granville,

THANKS!!!! Finally, a definitive answer! I typically get answers so
generic that they'd apply for a pinto as much as a Rover. Thanks again!
The 15" tires you indicated sound like an excellent tire, and yes, I
"think" I am looking for a mud tire... Not that we really get that much
rain here, but I like the aggressive tread, and this is not intended for
a lot of highway use, mostly off-road use. However, I've heard that for
sand and loose rock and gravel that the aggressive tread pattern of a
mud tire will dig into the ground, and sink you. Hmmmmm Soo many
variables! It's so hard to decide what's best. Any comments?
Suggestions? D90's come stock with a BFG MT tire, maybe I should.
Besides... they "look cool" (Kid factor... for my 15 year old son.)
Also, is the 4 cyl engine really going to be able to spin tires much?
Maybe I don't need to worry so much about digging in with the tires???
(I haven't really had a chance to take it out yet, not licensed yet.
must get the emissions tested, and all... so I really don't know.)

I really like the Michelins used on the Camel trophy vehicles. I have a
110 on my computer screen, crossing a river. Clear shot from the front
corner, good view of the tire! (Hood mounted spare.)

Thanks again!

Dave Brown - '94 Discovery, '71 IIa 88, '70 IIa 109.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:07:35 CDT
From: "Edward Hoffman" <elhoffm@sandia.gov>
Subject: Re: Disco bashing

>I think the problem is that the Disco is no more or less reliable than any 
>other Landrorover product - i.e. pretty bad. Discos show transmission problems 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>as their Toyota hatchbacks, and get pissed off when they dont get it, at that 
>price. 
What kind of transmission problems do you refer to? Are the problems with
the 5 spd or the automatic. Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks
Ed Hoffman

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Date: 27 Apr 95 11:20:52 EDT
From: "MARK C. RITTER" <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Wheels

I felt that I should drop in on this disscussion due to a little experiment I
did. The wheels from a 1967 109 (16") WILL fit on my 94 Disco. They are 1.5"
narrower than the 7" Disco steels or alloy wheels, but that extra 1.5" is evenly
split inside and out so the offset should be the same.
However due to the center cap on the ALLOY Disco wheels they will not fit over
the hub on the 109. The STEEL disco wheels DO NOT have this cap and will fit the
109.
If anybody in the states has a set of 16" by 5.5" rims that they would like to
sell in good condition ,please write me as I am trying to find a set for
off-roading my Disco. I believe that the Camel-Trophy vehicles use these
narrower rims shod with an aggressive mud tire. The Camel-Trophy Discos have
narrower rubber and rims than what comes on a stock vehicle and the rims they
use look like the solid 109 rims not the slotted Disco steel rims.
Mark Ritter  94 Disco			

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:23:27 -0400
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Tire size for a Land Rover. Thanks!

>Also, is the 4 cyl engine really going to be able to spin tires much?

Yes.  It's a function of torque, not horsepower.  On loose surfaces you can
spin the tires if you're not careful about applying power.

Keep on Roverin'

JAB

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 08:48:54 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Shaking LR with P-brake applied.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Shaking LR with P-brake applied.
Tim,

I'm not experienced with this, but check out the engine mounts and
transmission mounts. Maybe the vibrations are being transferred via the
p-brake linkage? Seems a bit far fetched, but maybe worth a look.

When I apply mine hard, the transmission will actually move a little.
Maybe yours is lifting off the mounts when p-brake is applied?

Good luck, let us know what you find out!

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|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:54:06 -0400
Subject: yellow lenses

Hi, one of my cars is a 1960-88 P/U and the question I have is,
does anyone know how to recolor the yellow lenses in rear directionals ? mine
are almost clear.
 thanks
Bob Bernard
Paradise Ca. 

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:04:47 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Wheels

In message <199504270051.BAA05494@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Daryl Webb writes:

: Hi TerriAnn long time no chat!
: 
: > Does anyone know if the offset, spacings & everything of the Defender steel 
: > 
: > wheels  will allow them to fit properly on a series Land Rover?
: > Are they good candidates for putting on a 109?
: 
: Ok Disco steels will not fit series vehicles without modification, but...
: 
: The only problem is the offset.  You will need to have the centre 
: (nave plate ?)  turned out and repositioned.  Not too expensive, any
: competant rim manufacturer/repairer should be able to do this.  Some of the
: members of the local land rover club have done this.  Looks great on a 109
: IIa. 
: 
: Over here its actually cheaper to do this to the 7" x 16" disco rims than to
: buy good 5.5" x 16"  Series or defender rims :-( 

Daryl,
The Discoverys in the US only seem to come with fancy alloy wheels. I don't 
think I have ever seen one with the stamped steel wheels.  Do you know if this 
is the same wheel that the Defender uses?  Its the Defender stamped steel wheel 
that i am interested in putting on a 109.

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:03:05 -0700
From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Disco warranty

> if you can document that your vehicle has been serviced to manufacturer 
> specifications, you are okay.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Later,
> Lee Levitt

  You can do it yourself. Just save the reciepts and write in the service log.
It's the law!

R, bg 

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:47:53 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: It *is* a '71...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: It *is* a '71...
William,

Yes, it is a '71. The name plate on the passenger side says series IIa
and the drivers door post says that it was manufactured in '71.

I suspect that it was in an accident and was repaired with what ever
parts could be found. The frame has a patch welded on it on the drivers
front, half way between the front spring mount and axle alignment, and
looks like it's been bent and beat on near the rear spring mount on the
same side. It appears to be straight, tracks well, no handling
problems, so I think they at least did a decent job. I checked the
serial # against the FAQ, and it fits the years listed, although as I
recall, that included quite a large range of years.

An update on my son's progress on getting the p-brake drum off: He got
about half the nuts off, and told me that the remainder were a different
size. I went out to look and noticed the "American" sized sockets he
used, and educated him on the metric system. ;-) The education continues...

Trevor, (I think?) Please don't take offense at someone's jest. You really
DO have a good use of English, I'm sure it was only in fun. Anyone that
can make sense of this silly language is okay by me! So there! (Or is
that. "their", no, "they're"...) Awwww... Drat! "Stupid words!!"
I like your name, too. That's my son's name.

P.S. If it weren't for spell check, you all probably wouldn't even
understand half of what I write! I'm REALLY bad!!

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 12:17:47 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Hood mounted spare.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Hood mounted spare.
How about mounting it on the roof? I've never seen a RR with one mounted
on the hood, but I've seen one with 2 spares, side by side on the roof,
right above the front seats. Out of the way... Don't know about mounting
arrangements though. Visibility is a good thing to have when cresting a
steep hill! Maybe a cargo roof rack, you could mount it to that.

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:30:21 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Metric hand-brake?

Perhaps, David, I am wrong, but I would be very surprised if your '71 
Landy has a 'metric' hand brake. English/Imperial (what you call 
'American'), yes, possibly even Whitworth, but I have yet to find a 
metric nut on either of my IIa's. (except the cheap replacement nylock's 
holding my offside wing on...)

This does bring up an interesting question: when, _if ever_, did Land
Rover go metric?  I assume they must at least have been required to put
metric fittings on NATO Land Rovers? Perhaps not. Dunno, I've not had the
pleasure of tinkering with any Rover either new or even original. I'm
lucky to find two of the same nuts on any given job with my heap... 

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:34:26 -0800
From: rclizza@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Ryan C. Lizza)
Subject: Need LR's in RSA

I am coming to the RSA on June 18 of this year and need to buy at least one
new or used LR.  Preferably a 109 or a 110 in decent condition.  I will be
staying on a farm in the northern Transvaal near a town called Tzaneen.
The car(s) will be used for overland safaris in Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana,
and Namibia-so it must be durable.  I would like one with an extra tank and
not too much else.  I will refit the LR to meet my needs once I purchase
it.  Anyone who can help me in this endeavor would be appreciated greatly.
Also, I am interested in finding out the complexities of purchasing a LR in
the UK and bringing it to the states.  what is the easiest method and how
much do I expect to pay?  Thanks Ryan

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Wheels
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 9:12:23 EST

> The Discoverys in the US only seem to come with fancy alloy wheels. I don't 
> think I have ever seen one with the stamped steel wheels.  Do you know if this 
> is the same wheel that the Defender uses?  Its the Defender stamped steel wheel 
> that i am interested in putting on a 109.

The wheels that the Discovery use are different to the ones on the defender.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Hi! Diesel answers. please...
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 9:19:30 EST

Mike Rooth wrote:
==============================================================
 The manual says 20/50,and while you mat get away with 15/50
 for the petrol engine,I would *never* run the diesel on it
 It simply isnt worth the risk.Dont forget that the bottom
 end is withstanding the effects of a 23:1 compression ratio,
 rahter than the petrol 7 or 8:1.In fact,over here,a firm
 Penrite by name has just introduced a "full-bodied" 20/50
 particularly for engines of our era.They maintain that many
 modern 20/50 oils simply arent "thick" enough for the more
 mature power unit.The other problem is that diesel's tend
 to contaminate the lubricating oil with fuel oil,which in
 turn thins it even further.
=============================================================

I actually run stuff called Delvac 50, which is a 50 weight oil
that supposedly stays at the same viscosity all the time, I can't 
remember who makes it, but I know shell makes some stuff that is 
the same called shellsey 50, I think you can also get the stuff in
60 weight.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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Date: 27 Apr 95 20:07:36 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Misc.

Tim--- your hand brake problems are probably caused by worn/ broken engine and
gearbox mounts, this permits the engine and gearbox assembly to be moved forward
when the handbrake is pulled on. 

 Disco reliability---  my brother is part exing his 3 year old disco for another
new one, in the time he has had ( from new) it has covered 45 k miles, had THREE
gearboxes and TWO gearsticks and sundry other irritations, but like me he is a
glutton for punishment and is spending another $11000 to add to his existing
motor to get a 300tdi.

Rod,-- rebuilding used Overdrives can be VERY expensive, if any of the gears are
damaged replacement parts can cost almost the price of a new one. Refer to my
earlier ramblings about bearings in overdrives
 The Bearmach overdrives are INFERIOR quality copies of the Fairey overdrive,
some of the parts are interchangeable. The Fairey got a poor reputation with the
early models having an inadequate oil capacity and many failed through poor oil
level maintenance. Later models had the oil capacity increased a little. My
overdrive has been fitted to countless vehicles and has covered in excess of
200000 miles on two of them, it has been used on competition vehicles and often
for prolonged periods in low ratio( with a diesel engine ) it has had the
bearings replaced twice because of noise.

 Bill C  your Rangey did not have factory power steering fitted, Ken fit it and
used available parts, I'm sure that he will tell you where the parts came from.
Have a nice vacation in NY, 

  Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 17:16:30 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: It *is* a '71...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: It *is* a '71...
To my horror!!! I've SO MUCH to learn!!! Forgive my naivety! I had no idea!

Heavy sigh... more tools to buy... Thanks...  :-O   < My jaw is wide open!
As is my mind.

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead
*** Reply to note of 04/27/95 17:09
=========================================================================
   Thu, 27 Apr 95 17:09:21 MST
          id AA13361; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:52:42 -0700
	id UAA23332; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:09:26 -0400
Date: 27 Apr 95 20:07:40 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: It *is* a '71...

Thanks for the message, you are however mistaken about your 71 having metric
threads, they were a mixture of British threads and Unified, I suggest you
either look for a few BSW /BSF wrenches or acquire some of the new flank drive
wrenches that fit several sizes of nut.
 I do not have a reference list of wrench sizes here in the US with me so I am
at this stage unable to give you the hexagon sizes for each nut but I am sure
that another of our British subscribers can oblige.

 Regards   Bill Leacock    Limey in exile

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:06:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Solex 4 sale

Anyone need a spare Solex?  The previous owner installed a Weber and it 
appears to run well with it, so when I found the solex in the box of 
parts, I decided it was time to part with it.  If interested, e-me 
directly with an offer (I have no idea what it is worth).

thnx
steve
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
73 III 88 "Moose"

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:25:39 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: OVLR goings-on

For the birthday bash, would I miss anything if I arrived on Friday the 
23rd, late afternoon/evening?  Or should I plan on leaving Thursday?  
Thanks in advance!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Subject: Rebuilding series locks
From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:28:20 +1000

If you haven't already, try (in order of preference):
Belltrade in Pretoria -- they import lots of genuine parts at a fraction
                         of the "genuine" (read AAD) price, lots of 
			 series bits (new & 2nd hand)
Leimer's in Randburg -- they've never had parts I've needed, but Rob has
                        a very good reputation (esp. with series bits)
Rhino in Midrand -- they're my fallback, and while I've never had hassles
                    from them, their prices are higher & don't leave me
		    feeling terribly confident about knowledge/workmanship

I'm afraid that I don't have numbers easily available for any of them,
but you can get them from directory enquiries and/or any 4x4 magazine.

It's quite easy to take locks out of a sIII -- just pop a pin out of the 
end of the tumbler to release the latch tongue.  I've never done this on
an earlier car, though.  Once it's out, you can strip it, juggle tumblers,
and make file down tumblers & a key until they match.  My sIII had non-
matching keys when I bought it, and it took a sunny afternoon with a
beer and a fine file to create a brand-new key & lock set (matching).

Then take your new kay to any locksmith & get copies made.  You should
be able to get a blank (if you take the barrel along) from any locksmith
or "Multiserv" outlet.  If they quibble, explain the problem.

	paul
--
   Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>       turbo-nerd & all-round nice guy
       14/114 Blamey Cres, Campbell, Canberra ACT 2601, AUSTRALIA
        finger <pauln@mickey.iafrica.com> for PGP 2.6 public key

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 00:40:56 CDT
From: bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu (Benjamin Freeman)
Subject: D-90 Hardtop Model In NA

Well I have a quick question, that I need some  help with

 

Could someone tell me if or not LRNA 

will be shipping a aluminum hardtopped D-90 to the states? I would
be quite happy to find out what is known about this and please let
me know directley...Thanks
Sincerely,
Benjamin J. Freeman

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:06:45 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: RR hood tire mounts?

 Andrew Steele <ad158@dayton.wright.edu> writes:

>I got to thinking about mounting the spare tire on the hood.  I sample
 trip around the neighborhood indicated that it would be possible, but
 with some degree of visibility loss.

 It would be a shame to alter the styling of such a fine vehicle, and
 to reduce its aerodynamics.  A fellow in San Luis Obispo, California
 sells a "really nice" designed swing away rear door tire mount.  Give
 him a call:  Geoff Tobin at 805-544-7927.  (He also has a bunch of RR
 and II/IIA/III parts from several vehicles.)

  
 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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