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1 rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.43Camel Trophy-Turkey
2 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn27Re: .gif's on the RoverWEB
3 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca15[not specified]
4 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca19[not specified]
5 RICKCRIDER@aol.com 18Rover VIN plates.
6 Benjamin Allan Smith [be24[not specified]
7 "Anthony J. Bonanno" [7516Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ?
8 sohearn@InterServ.Com 38D90 for '95
9 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn18Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover
10 S|ren Vels Christensen [31Re: Series III and unleaded fuel?
11 Russell Burns [burns@cis21D-90 destroys tire
12 gpool@pacific.pacific.ne140Snow-Run-One; Part 1
13 ritter mark c [70472.1139Locking diffs for Disco
14 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus15Re: D-90 destroys tire
15 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa28Re: D-90 destroys tire
16 "Mugele, Gerry" [Gerry.M14L-R Movie Sightings
17 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo12Re: Locking diffs for Disco
18 Benjamin Allan Smith [be19[not specified]
19 "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus12Re[2]: Retractable Belts.
20 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus19Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1
21 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar114 SLROC Championship RTV
22 siccama@terena.nl 23Springs
23 chrisste@clark.net (Chri27Erratic idling revisited
24 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca21[not specified]
25 Benjamin Allan Smith [be31[not specified]
26 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D17Traction Control
27 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em26Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1
28 "walter c. swain (wcswai29Discovery for sale
29 wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca44[not specified]
30 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn30Fw: Talking Frog (fwd)
31 LANDROVER@delphi.com 17Re: Misc
32 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus19Re: Erratic idling revisited
33 LANDROVER@delphi.com 25Re: Fitting an overdrive
34 "Jeff Young" [young@mci.10[not specified]
35 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca16[not specified]
36 Sanna@aol.com 11Re: Re[2]: Retractable Belts.
37 mccauley@hba.trumpet.com34Hello! and It's Stuck...
38 Spenny@aol.com 32Re: Down East Rally - Owls Head


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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 23:26:50 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Camel Trophy-Turkey

Hi People!

Got back from Army leadership training and survived
the field training but really know that infantry is
a game for young men.

Tom Collins called this Tuesday and passed on an up-date
for the Trophy.  Today the team flew out to the International 
Trials in Turkey.  He expressed a great deal of confidence in
the four team members and how they will do in the trials.  His
opinion was that any combination of the four will make a good
solid US team for Central America and the Ruta Maya.  Tom passed
on some info about how the International is conducted.  Over
the three plus days of activities there are judges at all of the
stations.  They score each candidate and using some form of
computer program produce a preformance print-out.  From this
book on each candidate Tom and, probably, Bill Baker make their
choices for the final two.  In addition Tom indicated that the two
journalist are ask for their opinions.  As has been mentioned some
of the judges are former SAS people and others are past Camel Team 
members from various countries. 

The four that got to make the trip are:  Jim Swett, Daphne Greene,
Tom Davenport and Jonah Houston.  The journalist are Sue Meade- free 
lance motor-trades writer and Erik Schlegal of the Dallas Morning News.
In addition we should see some pieces in USA Today.

I hope Tom will call me when they get back so I can pass on who the
final team is.  For those interested there is a rep from LRNA customer
service that lurks on this list.  So for those that have newer Rovers
and have talked about likes - dislikes and things of that nature your
comments are getting to the people at LRNA.  That is about it for me
It's good to be back on the list.  Oh, the head on my 69 is rebuilt,
correctly this time, and will go on just as soon as I finish helping
clean up a part of the highway with the Cub Scout pack.  So this boy
will have a Rover back under his butt real soon.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies        Going Mobile Again  

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:40 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: .gif's on the RoverWEB

> How do you access the RoverWeb page?

aol does not yet have access to the World Wide Web.  I believe they're 
working on it.  Compuserve is also working on this...  They're going to 
have PPP access via a compuserve account shortly, and they recently 
acquired SPRY (I think), so I expect we'll see a mosaic-like web browser 
built into their CIM products.  

For those with shell accounts on a unix box (CRL, Netcom, etc.) I *highly* 
recommend SlipKnot.  This is a shareware program that lets you access the 
web graphically by working with Lynx running on your unix host.  It 
requires Windows, and is a bit slower than a Mosaic/Slip connection, but it 
works great and what it does is simply incredible.  It's available in the 
simtel archive (I got my copy at FTP.CDROM.COM (Walnut Creek CD-ROM) in the 
/pub/simtel/win3/(something) directory.)  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Subject: Land Rover for Sale
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:53:59 -0500

Britains D90 #9923 for sale, mint boxed,
British Telecom yellow version.

USD 25 plus shipping to you

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: NEW STAMP COMING
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:56:05 -0500

There is soon to be a release of stamps from Tristan Da Cuhna. A set of 
four stamps on local transport. One is a Defender 110 station wagon with 
winch.

If you want a set or a first day cover or both let me know, no price as 
yet.

I will cut this order of at 6pm edt Tuesday 4th april.

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:32:40 -0400
Subject: Rover VIN plates.

I have two VI N number plates.    One is for a 1970 Series llA,  88",  VIN
 #24439966G.    I used to own this Rover.    I understand it now belongs to a
Sheriffs Deputy or Sheriffs Dept.  Employee in Knoxville Tenn.    If anyone
in the Knoxville area knows this guy I would like for this plate to go to
it's proper owner.
The other VIN plate is from a 109" llA,  VIN # 26403986B.
I know absolutely nothing about this Rover or the plate.  It was in a box of
misc rover trivia I bought at a car show.
Thanks.  Rick Crider  <rickcrider@aol.com>
'73  lll / 88"
'88  Range Rover
Monroe   NC   

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Subject: Land Rover Web page
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 22:48:55 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	I haven't noticed anyone else posting this...

http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html

	From looking at it is mostly has Disocovery information for now,
but may have links to other models in the futute.  Nice Disco photo.  Under
Discovery performance, however, is a photo of Camel Trophy Defender (nice
photo, but under the wrong heading.  (the same page does have 2 other Disco
photos).

	Other stuff on Warranties and a short "the Land Rover Story"

	This is a must see, even just for the photos.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: 03 Apr 95 00:19:05 EDT
From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com>
Subject: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ?

The heavy duty shocks that I installed 22 years ago have finally worn out.
Anyone have any recommendations for an over-the-counter  replacement shock here
in the States??    I can always order the LR part  from Rovers North, etc., but
thought that there might be something else out there of comparable quality (less
costly would be nice too) that I should consider.   My LR is a 71 88" Series
IIA.

Thanks in advance!

Tony Bonanno
Santa Fe, NM

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 95 18:10:19 PDT
Subject: D90 for '95

Got a chance to see the new '95 D90 finally.

The standard soft top, a fastback design, looks pretty strange, sort of like
the Isuzu Amigo. Like the new full soft top it is a Bestop product.

The front turn signal lamps have been relocated to the lower lamp of two next
to each headlight (formerly a parking lamp). It is larger in size and no
longer matches its sibling above. The rear lamps are round (still three on
the left, two on the right) but located as before. Will LR redesign the rear
lamp guards? The rears are of the same style as the new front turn signal
lamps.

The front door trim panels are a little different and now include map pockets
while the tailgate has a trim panel and pocket for the first time. The
mechanism which limits how far the front doors open has been changed as well.

The forward safari cage's rear slanted supports are now covered such that all
metal is covered. Apparently the attachment method and its mounting position
are different as well (the fibreglass hard top requires a mod when installed
on a '94).

The tires are BFG All-Terrain T/A's. In addition the stereo can accept a
CD changer and sub-woofer. Some other option changes have been made as well.

I expect for '96 we'll see lighted vanity mirrors ;-).

- Stephen

p.s. My local LR dealer, after inviting me to the new Range Rover 4.0SE
private opening, has invited me to a LR sponsered (?) polo match. I don't
know where I went wrong but I'm gonna try and get as much mud/dirt on my
Defender as I can before I go so I can get maximum shock value.

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:32 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover

>>the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob
> why would you want them, they seem the crappiest way to open the vents 

With the levers, you have maybe 6 or 7 positions at the most.  With the 
knobs, you can exactly set the amount of vent opening you want.  Far more 
precise than the levers.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 02:14:01 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Series III and unleaded fuel?

On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Steven Siccama wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> >Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Steven
> Amsterdam Netherlands

Hi

FWIW:

I ran Lawrence ('76 sIII) on 92oct unleaded for about 6 months without 
damage. Then my brother bought a '73 and ran it on unleaded also. He called
the agent to ask for advise. The agent said that there is only a very little
chance that damage should occur but he  would not officialy reccomend 
unleaded fuel. If you have the guts to experiment try to fill leaded every
second time. It's nice that people think about the environment. But take into
consideration that lead volume is only a fraction af the volume ten or more
years ago. But ofcourse if you rebuild the head (on the car) you might 
consider to have the engine repacked while you are at it. Then you can more
or less forget about it for the next 15-20 years.

Good luck

sv/aurens

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: D-90 destroys tire
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 95 13:40:17 PST

I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I
managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT
monster mudders...
So off to the tire store I did run, only to discover this tire need to
be special ordered,  come at a paltry price of $200.00 a each, and
will take 2 weeks to order. The BF Goodrich MT's come at a tune of $160.00
and are in stock.

Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast
with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or 
some good mud north of the border.

Russ Burns
D-90 4/5 of the tires hold air.
R-Rover

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 09:03:20 -0800
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: Snow-Run-One; Part 1

Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has
been very busy.  I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net
and then post it the following day on lro@team.net.  Many of you on
lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing,
a month or so ago.

Part 1, Into the Unknown, Winter Style:

I tell you, this winter will be one we'll all remember.  Not just because of
the most gnarly weather that any of us can remember experiencing in this
part of the world but also because of what we did with it.  This will be
remembered as the winter that brought an amazing group of hard-core
Land-Rover aficionados together for some outrageous gonzo off-roading.  

And it will be remembered as the winter in which we began to discover the
remarkable resource on our doorstep, the Mendocino National Forest.  At the
rate we are going, it's going to take many years to explore it all.  Then we
can start in on the Six Rivers National Forest and a few of the others.
Ain't California great?  Melanie and I took a trip to the southeast last
summer.  I studied the maps to check out the wild places we might want to
visit.  I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of
thing toward the right coast.  Made me realize just how lucky we are to live
where there is so much excellent public land near at hand.

Our first scouting outing had been plagued by delays due to the bad weather
and the second outing was similarly beset.  We put it off a full month
beyond when we had originally planned to go.  Several who might have gone
earlier were ruled out by the time we went because they were getting ready
to go to Baja soon (Domingos Dias, Brad Blevins, and maybe others).  For one
reason or another, several others also fell away.  At one point, it sounded
like we would have 16-20 LROs on this run; about half that many made it.

We did a little better this time at meeting on time and getting ourselves
headed out reasonably early.  But the fact remains that these get-togethers
are just that.  When we get together, the visiting tends to take precedence
over the four-wheeling.  So be it.  We enjoy visiting.  This time we started
by having breakfast together at R&J's (dba Dottie's) Cafe in Upper Lake.
Dick Hamilton and I convoyed to Upper Lake, expecting to find most LROs
there already.  We found Jason LaBranch's Land-Rover but not Jason.  We went
into the cafe and grabbed the biggest round table in the place (it later
proved to be not nearly big enough).  Eventually two other local LROs, Aaron
Wright of Upper Lake and Bill McDow of Scotts Valley, joined us but only to
send us off.  Dick, too, headed back home after breakfast (no heater).  Walt
Swain and John Hess from Davis came along, once again doubling in Walt's
Toyota pee-coupe.  Jason wandered in, along with Morgan Hannaford, Bruce
Bonar, Vance Chin, Jim Russell, and Gerry Mugele (with Brother Bob).  

The breakfast took a goodly while, as did the fueling, etc.  But we had
reassembled at the Ranger Station and decided on a route, all by 10:00
A.M.--a considerable improvement over last time!  We had probably dawdled
some, waiting to see if Ben Smith would show up.  We were sure that he
intended to be there but no one had heard from him.  Well, we had to move
on; if Ben showed up, he would have to try to find us (yeah, right).

We headed up Elk Mountain Road, as before, but continued on to the
intersection of M-10, the main west to east route across the southern part
of the forest.  By the time we got to Bear Creek Road (the first section of
M-10), we were into pretty deep snow (elevation about 1,000 meters or some
3,200 feet).  We had to stop at the intersection and consider awhile.  Do we
really want to do this?  Can we do this?  There WERE tracks; someone had
gone into Bear Creek Road...

We decided:  Nothing ventured, nothing bent.  So we headed down Bear Creek
Road, following the tracks that were too wide for my Dodge Dakota (ugh, I'll
explain later), let alone the super-narrow Land-Rovers, so we were pretty
much breaking trail anyway.  And we didn't get far before the tracks turned
around and doubled back on themselves.  Virgin snow; YES!!!!  Unfortunately,
our group was also liberally sprinkled with virgin snow-drivers as far as
off-roading was concerned.  We slipped and slid, fishtailed and spun.  We
grinned from ear to ear, an affliction that was to become downright
worrysome as the weekend wore on 8^]  

We soon were able to test Vance's sand ladders (which are really not ladders
but heavy steel mats which were origninally used to assemble makeshift
airfields for the military) and break in our shovels (and shovers, i.e.
hands). A lot.  One sharp downhill turn gave my Dodge enough trouble to get
me quite sideways and Jason's fat-tired Land-Rover as well.  A little
farther on, on an uphill turn, Gerry was the one having trouble, rather to
my surprise, since his Series III 88 was shod with some very fine-looking
Michelin 7.50x16s with a fairly agressive tread.  But he just couldn't seem
to get up around this turn.  Particularly embarassing as he was right behind
Walt's Toy which had no trouble (and it shod with 31x10.50x15s!!)  So good
old Walt, who obviously was the superior snow driver, graciously slipped
into Gerry's driver's seat while Gerry and Bob stood by and watched him back
this cherry Land-Rover into a ditch, against a high bank, and get it
properly stuck.  See how it's done, now, Gerry?

No harm actually done.  Enough help had come along to get Gerry going again
(plenty of time, as Jason was in trouble again farther down, anyway).
Meanwhile, I pulled ahead and caught up with the leaders (Vance and Morgan)
who had parked on a relatively flat stretch.  I was concerned about them,
too, as they were making noises about "vapor lock" over the CBs.  Vapor lock
in this coolth?  When I got there I found out what Morgan's version of vapor
lock was.  Fortunately, this type can be cured be a pint of best bitter.
Eventually everyone caught up and enjoyed a well-earned vapor lock session.

As best I can remember through the ale and stout, no significant problems
were encountered for the rest of the trek down to the Rice Fork (of the Eel
River) crossing.  The sight of this crossing caused everyone to accrue
additional increments of severe vapor lock.  The hungry-giant had also
attacked by this time and the bank of the river looked like a very pleasant
place for lunch. This crossing is at roughly 2,100 feet and was below the
snow line.  The sun was beating down quite warmly.  The scenery was
fabulous.  The company was as good as it gets (well almost, but more about
that later).  True to form, we dug into our tucker bags and spent about two
hours over lunch, all the while, of course, studying each other's Rovers and
pondering the big question that was on everyone's mind.

Can we cross this river?  Could we?  Certainly not at the official crossing
which was about 50 or more feet wide with steep banks about four feet or so
high.  Not crossing there until the Forest Service reconstructs the ford.
But just upstream, by following a narrow gravel bar on our side, we could
get to an unofficial ford that trespassed on private land.  Walt had used
(by invitation) this crossing on his private outing a few weeks earlier.  We
discussed this possibility with the occupants (who may or may not have borne
any relation to the actual owners but who bore a definite resemblance to
characters out of Deliverance-- Bong-ba-BONG-bong-bong) and essentially paid
a "toll" from our vapor lock provender. 

Ben showed up!!! That sucker tracked us down!  He made it down, without
anyone to assist him, in his ailing SIII 88 with blown head gasket (sounded
like the bullgen make-and-break in Farley Mowatt's
_The_Boat_Who_Wouldn't_Float_) and with complete spare engine in the back
(not to mention nearly bald front tires). You heard me, a spare engine!!
You know how you always struggle with deciding what spares to pack?  Well,
Ben has resolved the dilemma; bring 'em all!  Poor Ben had left a trail of
smoke and oil on the highway but had not been dissuaded. A lesser enthusiast
would have turned back when the crankcase emptied on the highway through the
fuel pump seal.  Not good old Ben.  THAT fellow is GAME!!

Not so Bob and Gerry.  About time it was clear that some of these squirrels
were actually thinking about attempting to ford the deep and rushing stream,
cooler heads prevailed in THAT Rover and it headed back toward town.  In
fairness, as you will see in Part 2, I later found myself belatedly admiring
their sensibiliy....

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Date: 03 Apr 95 11:57:36 EDT
From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Locking diffs for Disco

Does anybody out there have a locking diff on their Disco? Is the ARB the only
way to go or is thier an automatic unit available that I don't know of? Seems
like the only times that I've had trouble on a trail has been a cross-axle
situation where traction from both rear wheels would have fixed the problem.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 12:49:37 EDT

> Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast
> with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or 
> some good mud north of the border.
none

Aye, mates, he's committed himself now!!!

see you there,
rd/nigel

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@s101dcascr.wr.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>> Russell Burns writes:
> I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I
> managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT
> monster mudders...
none

snip  

> Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast
> with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or 
> some good mud north of the border.> 

I am in a similar position, shopping for BF Goodrich ATs for my 109 and
have found that there is a wide range in prices for the same tire. 
You may have a need and desire to support your local BF Goodrich dealer
for whatever they'll do for you in the way of added value through better
knowledge, service or what have you.  If not, you can save a small
fortune by shopping the mail order dealers and having them mounted and 
balanced at your local service station.  The savings might pay for that 
ruined MT ;^>

Walt Swain

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@WellsFargo.COM>
Subject: L-R Movie Sightings
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 10:15:00 PDT

Okay so when are we going to publish our list?

Here's another one and with portent of things to come (remember about a year 
ago when Jack Nicoholson, in real life assaulted the car of an offending 
motorist with a gold club?):

The Passenger  (1975), Dir: Michaelangelo Antonioni.
Jack Nicholson bashes a LandRover with a shovel.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:34:47 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Locking diffs for Disco

Maybe another solution would be a swaybar disconnect, but you'd probably
have to make it yourself.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Subject: New Land Rover Home Page
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:03:08 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Ok, I sent this out yesterday, but the list appears to be down.

http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html

This seams to be put out by a bunch of Land Rover dealers.  right
now the information is mostly Discos, short LR story and warranty information.
Lots of nice photos.  Under performance, however, the first photo is a Camel
Trophy Defender (a good photo btw).

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:50:47 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. 

     Into "the bulkhead?"  I am confused.  I know what "bulkhead" means in 
     a ship or an aeroplane, and I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was 
     in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the 
     firewall/dashboard?  I've got a set of the RN belts I bought years ago 
     and still haven't put in, so enquiring minds want to know.
     
     Hank, 3.14259 (get it?)  

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:04:40 EDT

> Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has
> been very busy.  I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net
> and then post it the following day on lro@team.net.  Many of you on
> lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing,
> a month or so ago.

Hmmmm.  Left-Coast Rover-Net?  Is this an all-exclusive club?  Signs of
a split list, perhaps?  Oh well.  More power to ya.

Nice story, too.  Please do post it on the regular list as well.

rgds,
rd/nigel (openly minded right coasters)

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:25:56 +0000
Subject:       SLROC Championship RTV

			The first Championship RTV of 1995

It was a cold and windy morning as I drove our VW Polo up the half mile 
dirt track to the meeting point for the RTV event.

The site was fairly rough with morrain ridges of loose shale supporting 
tough grasses and a lot of water.

There were about 30 vehicles with 40+ drivers all being scrutineered by 
the unstoppable Alex Lindsay (who had another appointment that day and was
only there to check vehicles! - dedication!)

The pack was split into two groups and off we headed. Group A, with myself 
as start marshall, were to start with section 1 and run through to section 
5, whilst group B did 6 to 10. After lunch we swapped over & covered the 
other sections.

Section 1.
	A small mud splash and then a hump and round to a drop over a 4' lip 
(gate 2) and up 6' of shale at a 70 degree slope to gate 0. A few people 
had slight difficulty with the turn into gate 2.

Section 2. 
	A tight left-hander, slopeing down to the right, between gates 12, 10 & 8
caught a few people. This was followed by a scrabbling climb up the loose 
embankment before dropping back down into a dog-leg and then through 0.

Section 3.
	A shallow gully, dropping down across a track and then climbing up a 
40 degree slope to get back up onto the plateau for gate 4. A tight turn 
in a hollow caused a few people to miss the 0 gate.

Section 4.
	This was an interesting run along ridges with the competitors having to 
cross ridgebacks to get through the various gates. The mid-runners had 
probles with gate 10 (the shale was loose and the early runners had cut it
up quite badly) until someone cottoned onto the idea of running along a 
ridgeback and powering *across* the slope to get through the 10. After 
dropping back down through 8, a wrong line turning into gate 6 caused 
several people to ram their bumpers into the hillside.

Section 5.
	A lovely, easy section with a climb up onto a knoll and then dropping 
down, shoogle(~) through gate 4 before a gentle drive across the top of the 
pond and climb back up the embankment before turning down through the 0 
gate.
	One brave (?) entrant decided to clean his vehicle by driving back to the
lunch site through the pond and along the gully at the bottom of the 
embankment. GLUG! He entered the main part of the pond and sank into the 
silt. Due to the tilt of the vehicle, his seat was dry but his younger 
brother had to jump onto the seatbacks to get out of the water.
	We needed two vehicles to get him out again.

After lunch, we attacked the sections that the other group had aready gone 
over.

Section 6.
	THE WALL OF MUD. A shallow drop, through gate 10, a gentle swing round
into.... a wall of mud. The 6 gate straddled a mud hole which was, by the
end of the day, a glutinous pit 4' deep! Nobody in group A got through it
- a 101 would have struggled to clear this hole!

Section 7.
	This must have been quite easy as I don't remember much about it....

Section 8.
	This section had 2 noteable features: a cross-axleing gully (which 
caught more than one person) and a mud-slide just before the 0 gate. The 
gate was actually wide enough to get past the mud but the drivers had to 
be carefull leaving the number 2 gate to slip up onto the dryer 
side-slope.

Section 9.
	Section 9 was nasty! A simple mud hole caught several folk who failed to 
have enough Umph to get up the exit slope and the final (0) gate was atop 
a mound, 8' to 10' up a 60 degree slope, slick with wet grass & mud.

Section 10.
	This was another fairly easy run, snaking along the bottom of a ridge 
then turning left to climb to the top. A few canes were knocked over but 
it was a good run to end on.

My condolences to Alison (who suffered several stalls in her coil-sprung, 
V8, series I) and to Graeham (who stalled with his wheels just through the 
12 gate (resulting in a 10 score for section 8)

My congratulations to the newcommers who had never trialed before - they 
all did well.

Our lowest score for the day was 57, a good score for a novice taking on a 
tough course.

Thanks go to the course builders and the marshals (hey - that includes 
me!), and to all the competitors for a great day.

For those of you who want to turn up for the next one, either to spectate, 
marshal or drive, I'll post the date as soon as I get it......

--------------------------------------

(~) Shoole (v): A nimble, snake-like, wiggle that one does to get through a 
short twisty traverse

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
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From: siccama@terena.nl
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:29:03 +0200
Subject: Springs

Hi,

Three years ago I bought four brand new original landrover springs for my
109 V8. They replaced the ones originally fitted by the factory who had
lived for some 60,000 miles. Now, after only some 40,000 miles, the new
ones are getting really tired, specially the rear ones. My neighbour who
drives a Mercedes 508 van for his business has covered about 600,000 km
with the same road springs. I really need new springs at the moment but I
don't want to buy the genuine land rover springs anymore, cause I think
they are of a very poor quality. Is there anybody who has tried to fit
springs of any other make or had custom springs made?

Looking forward to your reply.

Cheers,
Steven
Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:01:33 -0500
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Erratic idling revisited

Thanks to all who responded to my posting about uneven idling on my SRIIA 88".

I spent the better half of the weekend rebuilding the Zenith 36IVE carb, a
task that I had postponed for several weeks. Gee it wasn't that difficult
afterall. Anyway, I got everything hooked back up and the beast started
with ease. But, YIKES, the problem is still there.

To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several
minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit
running. Sometimes it dies. If it doesn't die it usually pick up revs was
above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor.

Ideas.

Chris

Chris Stevens                           1969 SIIA 88" SW
BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland, USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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Subject: LRNA LURKER
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:48:47 -0500

Would the lurker from LRNA please identify him/herself please?

Would the same please deny or confirm that LRNA are active in the area of 
compiling an "IDENTAROVER" book for US customs.

Not a great surprise that LRNA are on, just a shame they cant be a bit 
more upfront about it all. My only conclusion is that they dont want to 
be deluged by incomings mail!!

Over to you who ever you are

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 13:38:02 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Russel Dushin wrote:

> > Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has
> > been very busy.  I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net
> > and then post it the following day on lro@team.net.  Many of you on
> > lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing,
> > a month or so ago.

> Hmmmm.  Left-Coast Rover-Net?  Is this an all-exclusive club?  Signs of
> a split list, perhaps?  Oh well.  More power to ya.

	The list was set up to avoid having huge cc lists and also to keep
bandwidth off of the main list.  I don't think all of you in Timbuktu would
like to see 20+ messages a day on 20 or so people organizing a some small
Land Rover trips.  It is not intended to split away from the list, but just
to help organize regional stuff, much like Bill's UK only list I assume.
	Most of the people on the the list live in or around Central California.With that said, if you want to be on, email me.  Traffic for work days last 
week was (not including my posts) 18,28,14,19,14.  The content is organizational
stuff and friendly banter, much like this list was 2 years ago before it 
expanded from 50 to 300+ people. 

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Traction Control
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:53:00 EST

Traction control for 4x4 like Range Rovers operates by sensing the spinning 
rear wheel, by comparison with the other three, and applying the brake to 
that wheel so power is available to the others. Has anyone tried this as a 
manual system? Trials cars , dune buggies and tractors use differential 
braking (Fiddle brakes) to supplement traction. I have considered using a 
diagonal split braking system (Like Saabs) with a manual overide so that it 
can be operated as half a system. Then when the vehicle is cross axled and 
wheels are spinning, just brake those corners and away we go with the loaded 
wheels. A sort of inpecunious owners diff lock. Any opinions out there on 
this?
Trevor Easton (mr gadget) and Miss Golightly 1962 88" SW

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1

On Sat, 1 Apr 1995, Granville B. Pool wrote:

> I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net

	???  Oh well...

> I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of
> thing toward the right coast.  Made me realize just how lucky we 
> are to live where there is so much excellent public land near at hand.

	Our mountains are very old, unlike the new formations on the
	left coast.  Eroded and forested they are rather nice.  There
	is also the Canadian shield to consider, mostly Crown lands,
	undeveloped...  I can't speak for the central/southern bits
	of the right coast, but the northern bits are pretty impressive and
	beautiful.

	Good account.  I look forward to reading the rest of the mission
	into the wilds.

	Rgds,

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:54:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Discovery for sale

Hi David,

Since I have not seen a posting to the effect that you have parted with
your Discovery, I assume you are still involved in the process of finding
the right buyer at the right price.  The Sacramento paper has had a
classified ad for a Disco, inserted by the local Land Rover/Caddilac
dealer.  It reads as follows: 

	Land Rover '94 Discov-
	ery.  Hard to find! ID 
	#087808 $29,977.  
	  Hubacher  Cadillac 
	     916-929-2777

I have not called or looked at it.  However, I could stop by and get the
specifics on goodies, mileage, etc. if you are interested.  Eventually
I'll be in the market for one of these as the prices come down out of the
stratosphere.  I do have a interest in keeping abreast of the market so 
I'll know a good deal when I see it.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
               Walter C. Swain          |  wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 
               Davis Community Network  |   
               Davis, California        |  1967 Series IIA Safari SW

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Subject: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER.
From: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 08:40:47 -0500

Hello all!

I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get 
your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE 
dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. 
I have tried to get a manifold for this single carb mounting application 
but I have not been abble to find one, so this means that I will have to 
manufacture my own. So I have given this much thought since I purchased 
the carb in Oct/94, so far the best mounting that I can come up with goes 
something like this: I will use a square tube section 1.75" OD with 1/8" 
wall to this I'll attach the carb, then to that square tube section 
(about 13" long) at a 90 deg angle I will attach shorter square tube 
section to arrive at the intake ports (wich are round) on the cyl. head 
in order to make a smoother transition from the square tube section of 
the intake manifold  to the round intake ports I would heat up the ends & 
round off the ends of the intake manifold (where the would mate to the 
cyl.head) thus making a smooth transition from square to round. Just for 
the record the dimensions of the carb are: 5 1/4" from bottom to top, the 
mounting surfaces are (trought the throats) 4 3/4". the butterfly valve 
side of the carb, each throat dia. is 1 3/4". The intake ports are only 1 
1/2" in dia. so this means that the shorter square tube sections will 
likely also need to be 1 1/2". this should all mount to a plate that I 
would use to cover the exhust manifold heat exchanger thus keeping the 
factory set-up. I will be mounting this on my 1971 serIIA 88" 2.25L 
petrol, safari station wagon, that has no OD, on 7.50 X 16" Trac Edges.

I would welcome any input on this matter, but I would not be ready to do 
all these likely modifications till June/95. I have curently got a 
Rochester carb on the Land Rover & it is in sad shape.

Thanks in advance for any comments on this matter!

Wade Z.

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

--
Wade Zumbach, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd)

This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew.  Hope 
you all find it just as hillarious!

---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): 
none
    A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might
enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it.

                        Surf's up Dude
                        Brian

 
> > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him
> > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess."
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> > said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer.  I don't have time for
> > girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool."

---- End of forwarded message ----
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:36:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Misc

Bill Leacock reports...

>  NB  I will be closed for questions from the 8th to 22nd April, my wife is
> visiting from the UK for a couple of weeks, she wants to go shopping !!!!,
> so if you need anything from me get it in early.

Shopping from the 8th to the 22nd??? Yow! That puts her in the major
leagues.. Good luck, Bill..

Cheers
Mike

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 17:30:13 EDT

> To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several
> minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor.
> Ideas.

I'll reiterate one mentioned by others before.....clogged fuel delivery
pipe/filter somewhere between the fuel tank and the fuel pump (or beyond)
.  Remove
at the tank, remove incoming fuel line at the pump, clean it, blow air
through it, etc........these are the exact symptoms.

rd/nigel

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:35:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Fitting an overdrive

Mark sez...

> I'm trying to fit my overdrive unit to my SIII. Has anyone managed to fit
> an overdrive WITHOUT using the special spanner/wrench to remove the
> mainshaft nut???

Can be done, although you may not like the cheap and dirty method..
First, bend back the locktabs that hold the nut locked.. Then use a brass
drift (or a big screwdriver) and a heavy hammer to loosen the nut.. Bang,
Bang and it comes loose.. Simple.. and if you really screw it up, you can
always get a new nut.. Don't worry.. You won't screw it up...

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Subject: Re: LRNA LURKER 
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:35:39 -0400
From: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net>

when someone posted that they had a new domain registered
i checked it out.  They're a uunet customer but they
haven't brought up a host yet - mail to landrover.com
bounces.
Jeff Young
young@mci.net

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Subject: Land Rovers in Print
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:51:37 -0500

Have seen an advert in MACLEANS magazine for Soth Africa, one picture 
shows rhinos in the Sabi Sabi game reserve, being viewd from a 109 S3.

Appears quite
regularily this one does.

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:41:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. 

>I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was 
     in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the 
     firewall/dashboard?

I think what we're talking of here is the bulkhead behind the front seats.

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From: mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley)
Subject: Hello! and It's Stuck...
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:58:10 LOCAL

Hello to all,
We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's 
time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray 
body. 

The Landy is currently receiving some (much needed) TLC and a good 
deal of (much deserved) verbal abuse. The main job at hand is the 
installation of a steering mechanism. We use the term installation because we 
couldn't bring ourselves to dignify the loosely connected pieces of metal 
being replaced with the description "steering".

The only parts _not_ being replaced between the steering wheel and the road wheels
are the track rod, the longitudinal link tube and the drop arm and relay levers.

Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis
member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift,
applying oil if it is stiff. 

STIFF :-] Pardon me while I gag laughing.

Well yes it is stiff. The four inch brass drift we started with is now a two inch brass
drift and we have drilled the chassis and  flooded the sleeve the transfer unit fits in
with penetrating oil. It's still not budging . :-{  Any ideas ?

By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list?

Tim and Jenny
(or Jenny and Tim depending on who you ask)

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:48:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Down East Rally - Owls Head

Trevor writes regarding downeast 6:
       >Starting Saturday July 1st with Off Road day, 
       >various activities, then Sunday at Owls Head as usual 

I have spoken to myles, and will post something with details times/places/etc
about the rally in a week or so, I have semi-regular contact with myles so if
you or anybody else has questions regarding downeast, you can direct them to
me and i can pass them along or answer them if i know the answer.

As for a distinguishing feature, i was going to put a color printout of our
most excellent sign on my windscreen at the rally. i will see if i can print
some extras...

Rgds...
Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine
Now with most of the Federally requred electrics!

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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