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1 RICKCRIDER@aol.com 17Re: Intro, and question about...
2 Tom Stevenson [gbfv08@ud16Transfer box
3 Tom Stevenson [gbfv08@ud15LR paint
4 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.17movie
5 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar22 Re: Steel Wheels for Disco
6 Charlie Wright [cw117@mo16LR paint (fwd)
7 cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris 49Renovating LRs for beginners...
8 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus17Re: unsubscribe
9 Peter Aslan [paslan@uk.m22Re: Intro, and question about painting
10 "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus23The Bottle Opener Trick
11 Stephen Thomas [THOMSE-U19 Even more movie sightings....
12 Pierce Reid [70004.4011@16Sighting on RCA Commercial
13 Pierce Reid [70004.4011@28D90 Metal Hardtop
14 rwegner@fimage.synapse.n17Oil Filter
15 Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr13Fwd.Brush Bar..
16 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE44 Oil filters; tire chains; u-joints
17 Sanna@aol.com 20Re: Pierre's letter, jory's response, et al ad infinitum ad nause
18 Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr16Re: Fwd.Brush Bar..
19 Peter Aslan [paslan@uk.m22Converting Series II Gearboxes.
20 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn14Re: unsubscribe
21 Piers E Montague [me92pe39Goodnight Sweetheart
22 kleihors@prl.philips.nl 42Re: painting question
23 Morgan Hannaford [morgan22Re: unsubscribe
24 BobandSueB@aol.com 13RE: Oil filter part numbers
25 William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.10Re: SIII transfer case noises.
26 ALLISONS@central.edu 23more rover sightings
27 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak27Re: Converting Series II Gearboxes.
28 janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Sc28Re: painting question
29 janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Sc31Re: Intro, and question about painting
30 RGludt@aol.com 19First time
31 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs31Re: SIII transfer case noises.
32 Trinitee@aol.com 15Advice please: Storing a LR
33 hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G26Overdrive Blues
34 Sanna@aol.com 13Re: Pierre's letter, jory's response, et al ad infinitum ad nause
35 Donald Unger [ungerd@ucs15109 diesels
36 David John Place [umplac7Re: http site
37 "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [745Gearboxes et al
38 johnliu@lainet.com (John6Rover For Sale
39 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu38Tapered Roller transfers
40 jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John20engine transplants
41 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus21Re: US Metal Hardtop D90s?
42 labranch@sybase.com (Jas17Re: Advice please: Storing a LR
43 JOHN M MELHUISH [WSRJMM@58Re: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE info
44 JOHN M MELHUISH [WSRJMM@12Re Holiday USA 4x4
45 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 34Still "need" a 109...
46 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 28'94 Disco price... $29,000 (US)?
47 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa23Re: Still "need" a 109...
48 "Jeff Young" [young@mci.16[not specified]
49 Steven M Denis [denis@o14filter #'s
50 danielg@eskimo.com (Dani24D90 w/BMW engine?
51 LANDROVER@delphi.com 36Re: Advice please: Storing a LR
52 ALLISONS@central.edu 19message for John Liu
53 Sekerere@aol.com 12No LRO-digest on 3/21
54 David John Place [umplac10Re: filter #'s
55 "walter c. swain (wcswai42Re: filter #'s
56 sohearn@InterServ.Com 32D110's and LR signs
57 bfreeman@heartland.bradl18Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
58 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s14Re: Advice please: Storing a LR


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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 04:10:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Intro, and question about...

About painting it with a roller.............Please don't.

The absolute cheapest and dirtiest paint job by Maaco or your local spray
joint would be better than brushing or rolling it.

Or.....buy a HVLP spray unit.   Super equipment for the money....about $275
-$500....different models and capabilities.    Using HVLP  (High Volume Low
Pressure) and painting in back yard would be better than a roller.

Rick Crider       <rickcrider@aol.com)
Monroe  NC

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Transfer box
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:12:18 +0000 (GMT)

Geir
Make sure that the high/low range lever is fitted the right way round.
If it is fitted back to front then it will not engage high range
properly. This may not be the cause, but it's worth checking before you
take the gearbox out (as I know to my cost)!
Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: LR paint
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:16:30 +0000 (GMT)

Jan
Good luck with your new acquisition. Enamel coach paint gives pretty
good results with brush or roller application. The stuff I used last was
made by Tekaloid. I used about 500ml to paint a SWB outside.
Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:22 +1100
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: movie

Is the movie with the flying (plummeting?) LR called `breakout' or `outbreak'?
(I'm trying to maintain database correctness!  :-)

I vote for keeping a single LRO list - with more
self-censorship before running off at the finger.

btw: The oz web-site has been having a hiatus today - O/S upgrades.

Lloyd ALLISON
Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA
tel: 61 3 905 5205       fax: 61 3 905 5146       email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au
<A HREF="http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover">Land-Rover</A>

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:53:33 +0000
Subject:       Re: Steel Wheels for Disco

> But, still, there's the issue of rim width.  Mark needs to realize that the 
> 109 rims are only 5.5" wide (except for the one-ton style which are 
> available from Rovers North) and that his alloy disco wheels are 7" wide.  
> I'm not  sure of the exact width of the steel disco wheels but sure it's 
> more than 5.5".
Paraphrased from Aprils LRW:

Take standard Discovery steel-wheels, take out the center and weld it back 
on the other way around - this shifts the offset so that the wheels stick 
out far enough. Add 90 eyebrows to cover the wheels.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:06:52 +0001 (GMT)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: LR paint (fwd)

I've had tractor (Tractol) and other commercial/industrial paints
recommended for brush/roller application. L-R green (Tractol) finishes
well, but cream is apparently the best for brushing.  Blue is not as good
as the above... don't know about others.  I've seen plenty of brush
painted LR's over here (I own one) and they are fine.  If you're so
concerned with finish that you can't bear brush painting, you probably
shouldn't be driving a Land Rover... ;-)

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 13:01:15 GMT
From: cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts)
Subject: Renovating LRs for beginners...

Dear All

Having been lurking here for a while, I feel confident enough that I know
what's going on to ask for some advice/comment.

I have an M-reg (1972) Series III LWB stationwagon which I picked up fairly
cheap (and it shows :-) ) over 2 years ago.  It's nearing a road-worthy
state again after nearly a year off the road (work, weather etc meant I
could only get things done piecemeal. But only the brakes to bleed now !
Hurrah !).

However, the beastie is only worth keeping if the chassis is sound.  I
suspect it's been used for pulling boats in and out of water since the back
section of the chassis had to be replaced for any chance of it passing the
next MOT.  The rest of the chassis _seems_ sound - so far as I can
see/reach/tap.

What I'd like advice on is the best way to check the rest of the chassis.
Do I need to dismantle the vehicle to a rolling chassis, or is there an
easier way ?

Ditto for the bulkhead - what's the easiest way of changing a badly corroded bulkhead (I'm assuming the worst here - it may be repairable).

Finally, something which I've been wavering about since I bought it. It is
fitted with the standard 6 cylinder 2.6 petrol engine. Assuming the chassis
is OK, and it's worth doing some serious renovation, would I be committing
an unforgiveable sin by chucking out the 2.6 and changing it to diesel ?  Or would I be doing myself a favour ?  I mean, I _could_ recondition the 2.6 so that I got 15 mpg out of it instead of 10.... :-}

Any comments/suggestions welcome (except "You're crazy"...I know that
already, otherwise I wouldn't even be considering this !  :-) )  -
especially from anyone who has done any of these jobs - the manual makes it
look easy.

Thanks in advance

Chris
-----------------
Chris Pitts (cpitts@omi.co.uk)
Online Media, Cambridge, UK
Tel +44 (0)1223 518580
Fax +44 (0)1223 518520

My views only - Online Media don't use Land Rovers....
"It's not a bug...it's a quality improvement opportunity"

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 8:15:23 EST

> unsubscribe
> Ciao
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
none
> unsubscribe
> Ciao

Oh well.  I know how you feel.

cheers to ya,
rd/nige

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:14:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter Aslan <paslan@uk.mdis.com>
Subject: Re: Intro, and question about painting

On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Jan Schokker wrote:
> The question is this:
> When the hard top is on, the Landrover will look awfull with army-green and 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> roller. We think it is a lot easier than spraying. Any comments on this? 
> What kind of paint should we use?

No, No dont use a Foam Roller. A Lot of paints cause the foam to 
disintegrate and you get left with bits of foam and pain stuck to your 
LR. I had this misfortune, and ended up using initation sheepskin, 
rollers which worked fine. I did this with Hammerite Blue which provided 
an interesting finnish which while being hardwearing, will probably be a 
bast*** to remove.

Regards

Peter Aslan.

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:42:49 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: The Bottle Opener Trick

        How many of you Series folk know the bottle opener trick?  When I 
     was first shown, I thought it must be universal knowledge, but ran 
     into a guy who brought an 88 back from Germany who got the biggest 
     kick when I showed him.  So, here it is...
     
        The whole width of the bulkhead (at the bottom edge of the 
     instrument panel) is perfectly shaped to open a bottle of your 
     favorite brew!  
     
        So, the next time you see someone's footwells have accumulated 
     several Harps bottle caps, you know the reason.  There is probably no 
     good reason, though, to let the bed of a Rover fill up with Budweiser 
     cans.  
     
     Ah, liquid grain supplement,
     Just what the doctor ordered.
     
     Hank

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         20 Mar 95 13:32:43 GMT
Subject:      Even more movie sightings....

Being on digest someone will already have posted this and I won't
know about it, however....
Point Break was on C4 last night (UK) and there were two definite
Rover sightings:-
        1: The beach football scene, cars lined up on the shore side
of the beach to illuminate the playing area. Clear view of a series 2
headlight set-up (some smartarse will tell me its a S1!)
        2: End scene, 50 yr storm off Australian coast and Keanu (he
has taste obviously) drives up in a green soft-top SII (A?).

I saw another somewhere, but can I remember where!!!

Stephen Thomas

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Date: 20 Mar 95 08:41:17 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Sighting on RCA Commercial

Folks:

Just word of a sighting of a Military Ser III on the RCA DSS Satellite Disk
commercial.  It's actually a scene from the Bond Movie "The Living Daylights"
where the Rover plunges through a stone wall and falls off the side of
Gibralter.  Ouch.  

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid
(P.S.  My vote... Don't split the list.  All Rovers are our friends.

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Date: 20 Mar 95 08:46:36 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: D90 Metal Hardtop

Folks:

There has been a couple of questions on metal (ie Alum.) hardtops for D90's
around.

David and Cheryl Ritchie of the BRLRC (Blue Ridge Land Rover Club) have
installed a traditional-looking aluminum hardtop on their white D90.  The
installation is gorgeous.  Unfortunately, I believe the roof they got a-hold of
was a prototype from Solihull and that there may be no more.  

I witnessed the installation (How many Rover enthusiasts DOES it take to install
a hardtop?) and it was a bit of a bear to put on.  Had to remove the outside
rollcage, cut some small sections of aluminum and draw the sides of the box
together slightly to line them up (Land Rovers "relax" when the hardtop is not
on and the sides spread apart slightly).  And it had to be re-installed at least
once to fix a leak.  But the finished product was GORGEOUS.

David and Cheryl are really nice people, and if you write them a nice letter via
BRLRC, I am sure they will give you some details.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:55:45 -0500
From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner)
Subject: Oil Filter

David,

I have two numbers for replacement oil filters for the 88:

FRAM       - CH834PL

KRALINATOR - L532

I prefer the KRALINATOR, but either one fits just fine!

Cheers!
  Richard

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:22:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd.Brush Bar..

Maybe someone needs this;

>From: Sharon Deboer <chardeb@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: FS RANGE ROVER Brush Bar
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>	In excellent shape, original Rover equipment, wrap around with 
>removable headlamp guards. Will sell for $400. Will fit 93 or earlier Rover.
 

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:36:20 GMT -0600
Subject:       Oil filters; tire chains; u-joints

Someone was asking about oil filters the other day. Here're some PN's 
I have.
               2.25l short                     2.25l long (limited availability)
AC           AC72                              FF50
Fram        CH834PL1                      CH822PL
NAPA     1099                                
Hastings  P-186                              P-191
Purolator                                         MF150A

                  2.6l
AC           FF24
Fram        CH853PL
NAPA     1315
WIX        PC315D    (I think it's "D", but maybe a "0")

Tire chains: for years I ran tire chains with cross links year round 
on my '62 (for hauling wood), no problems. They were, however, 7.00x15 
tires.  I've also run them on on my lightweight on 31x15 tires. 
Again, no problems as long as you get them really tight. I didn't 
once and they came undone and wrapped around my swivel housing. No 
damge fortunately. I've seen a style available from Europe that looks 
better, but they coast twice as much and I already have two pairs for 
my 15" wheels and two pair for my 16", so why buy more?

Part numbers for U-Joints:
These are NAPA numbers, but I think NAPA uses Spicer PN's.
2 15/16 cap to cap are PN 5-4x
3 7/32 cap to cap are 5-153x
My notes say the 5-4x are for the half shafts.

Lastly, I mentioned the other day there is a double lip seal for the 
timing cover. I have it as Chicago Rawhide PN 19220.

Tom Rowe
'73 Lightweight 
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
Home:608-243-8660
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:37:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Pierre's letter, jory's response, et al ad infinitum ad nause

>So what!  I don't discuss politics, land rovers, or anything else for that
matter, with anyone who doesn't have or uses a name.

Screen Name:    Solihul
Member Name:    JOHN DILLINGHAM
Location:       WOODSTOCK, GA USA
Birthdate:      07-22-54
Sex:            Male
Marital Status: Married
Computers:      macintosh
Hobbies:        Land-Rovers, VWs and Diesel Volvos ,community
theatre,church(reformed,post mill) guardian-ad-litem,
Occupation:     truck driver, actor, mechanic,
Quote:          Soli Deo Gloria, Semper Reformatur

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:47:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd.Brush Bar..

The message got cut so here it is again, (I hope)

From: Sharon Deboer <chardeb@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FS RANGE ROVER Brush Bar
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 19:38:21 -0800
 
	In excellent shape, original Rover equipment, wrap around with 
removable headlamp guards. Will sell for $400. Will fit 93 or earlier Rover.
 
Jon

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:18:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter Aslan <paslan@uk.mdis.com>
Subject: Converting Series II Gearboxes.

I have a 1960 MKII 88" LR. It has 4 Gears, (normally), it has 
synchromesh (sp) between 3 and 4 but not anywhere else.

Question: Is there a conversion to provide synchromesh (sp) between all 
the gears or do I need a different box?

Suplimentary Question: If I do need a different box, will it drop right in 
as a replacement ?

  Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton).           Louden Quill Award.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:57:29 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Morgan -- You're not leaving the list, are you?  I hope it's not because of 
this silly sexism stuff?  Give it a second chance, please!

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sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
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From: Piers E Montague <me92pem@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Goodnight Sweetheart
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:27:45 +0000 (GMT)

Well ladies and Gents it is time for me to shuffel off, leaving
behind me this easy student life for six long months, and do some
real work! I have still to find a job for my "work placement"
but wont give up looking!  I may even get a job with an Email 
connection- who knows?

Good news, I crashed my car into the side of some chap who pulled out
in front of me on saturday.  Did i say good news?  Yes I did, it was 
his fault so his insurers can cough up some sponds for my old Vauxhall
Cav, then its off to buy a new Land Rover we go  HOORAY!!!

Speaking of suc, matey was a tad luckey I hit him in the Cav not a L-R,
the side impact bars on his M reg Passat coupled with my crumple zones
managed to stop him getting injured as I hit him in the drivers door,
I wonder how those impact bars would have faired against a ladder chasis 
with a couple of tons strapped to it?

Have a good summer folkes

Cheerz 'en  anon,

                      PPPPP  EEEEE   RRRRR    CCCC   
                     PP   P EE      RR   R  CC   C 
                    PP PP  EEEE    RR RR   CC     
                   PP     EE      RR   RR CC   C 
                  PP     EEEEE   RR    RR  CCCC 
        -----------------------------------------------------
	Drink zcrump, Smoke bunnies, Eat lard, Live forever.
        ----------------------------------------------------- 

               Don't be a stick in the mud, be a 
                           LAND-
                             -ROVER  owner.

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From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl
Subject: Re: painting question
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:13:32 MET

Hi Jan,

welcome to the world of land-rovers (in a few weeks). 
Reg. the type of paint, it depends on wether you sand the body back to
bare metal or not. If you do, you will need an etching primer first 
to adhere to the aluminum. If not, I would use any good paint that you can
find. I would use some old-time poly-urethane enamel because you can 
apply it with a brush, roller, and it is tough. A land-rover will 
be scratched in no-time (with proper use). Any shiney new look is purely 
based on personality. 
I would use a good brush rather than a roller because it's easier to follow
the window contours. Do not use a foam roller but go for the better 
sheep-skin ones they will give a much better result. Put some money in the
brush or roller, it pays in the result.  Aren't the army colours nice though?

Pay more attention to painting the frame!

You wouldn't have a spare soft-top lying around uselessly in a couple of
weeks would you. I have a top-less 88" ser. II wich will need some canvas
in a year orso (when it starts to snow). I'm also particularly interested
in the "civilisation registration" procedure because it also needs a new 
registration, it has the tags, but the're not legal anymore. 

Hi list,

The 109" ser IIa, is nearing completion. Thanks to the list, the steering 
is without play now, welding is all done. I have also installed a dual 
braking system from ATe which works fine. (Had to redesign one of the 
spare pedal boxes). 
Right now I'm reconnecting and improving the on-board electricity.

Best wishes, 
--
    
    Richard P. Kleihorst,	| 109" station-wagon 1963.
    The Netherlands.		|  88" top-less 1960.

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:18:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> Morgan -- You're not leaving the list, are you?  I hope it's not because of 
> this silly sexism stuff?  Give it a second chance, please!

No way Roger!  I'm not that sensitive, hell most of my friends make the 
list folk seem like choir boys (in appropriate company).
I have some academic things keeping me really busy through
spring break, I'll be away from the terminal then and get mucho hate mail
from my sys-admin if I save too many messages.  See you all in April, and
ignore PC Morgan - afterall, I do live in The Peoples Republic of Berkeley.

Cheers,

Morgan

When the going get's wierd, the wierd turn pro.		-HST

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:53:48 -0500
Subject: RE: Oil filter part numbers

David John Place asked about oil filter p/n other brands.
For information, the 4 -5/8 long cartridge used on ser 2A and 3,
is : FRAM CH834PL1   and HASTINGS P186

Regards,
Bob Bernard
Paradise,CA.

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:08:54 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: SIII transfer case noises.

>rubber boot was between the firewall and 
> the stick so that when he pushed it forward it didn't really get all the 
> way into gear

  Bad engine (and/or transmission mounts will do this too.)  

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From: ALLISONS@central.edu
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:21:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: more rover sightings

I haven't seen this sighting listed yet, but it may pre-date my arrival on the
list.  Sorry if this is a repeat.

There is an excellent land rover sighting on a Bud Light commercial of all
places.  A young couple are driving on some kind of safari with a fully loaded
SWB (probably a series IIA but I'm not positive) when surrounded by a troop of
chimpanzees.  High point is hubby complaining about the chimps being goofy as
his wife comments on their being cute while at the same time several chimps are
raiding their roof mounted cooler and liberating it of its Bud Light.  Chimps
are definitely smarter than that fellow, but drinking Bud Light is not a sign
of much intellectual saavy.

Cheers,
Stuart Allison
allisons@central.edu

"Well I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused."

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:31:50 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Converting Series II Gearboxes.

In message <199503201450.OAA09010@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Peter Aslan writes:
> I have a 1960 MKII 88" LR. It has 4 Gears, (normally), it has 
> synchromesh (sp) between 3 and 4 but not anywhere else.
> Question: Is there a conversion to provide synchromesh (sp) between all 
> the gears or do I need a different box?
none

Your series II box would need to be fitted with a box from a series III Land 
Rover.  If you wanted to ship your old box to California, Scotty has a new 
method to modify a series II box to all syncro.
> Suplimentary Question: If I do need a different box, will it drop right in 
> as a replacement ?
> Question: Is there a conversion to provide synchromesh (sp) between all 

  I believe you will need the series III clutch slave cylinder.
> Suplimentary Question: If I do need a different box, will it drop right in 

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:51:43 +0100
From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker)
Subject: Re: painting question

Richard Kleihorst wrote this:
>brush or roller, it pays in the result.  Aren't the army colours nice though?
Not this one. Looks brushpainted by a child.
>Pay more attention to painting the frame!
none
Don't worry, the frame is superb, with just some surface rust here and 
there, so I am certainly going to paint it.
Could anyone give me advise on the preservation of the inside of the frame?
How do you get to the inside? Drill holes?
>You wouldn't have a spare soft-top lying around uselessly in a couple of
>weeks would you. I have a top-less 88" ser. II wich will need some canvas
>in a year orso (when it starts to snow).
none
No, I am buying it without the canvas top. 
> I'm also particularly interested
>in the "civilisation registration" procedure because it also needs a new 
>registration, it has the tags, but the're not legal anymore.
Sorry, can't help you here either. The company I buy the Landrover from is 
handling that. Does Van Dam, Zeist sound familiar?  

Bye, Jan.
janjan@xs4all.nl
Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:52:24 +0100
From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker)
Subject: Re: Intro, and question about painting

>> 109 series III, imported from Germany. All nuts and bolts are metric! No 
>> second toolbox needed.
none
snip
Walter Swain:
>  I'm curious about the metric nuts and bolts on the 109 Series III you just
>acquired.  This implies that the vehicle has been completely redone by
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>and England, and found that "metric" hardware was often a hybrid blend 
>of english and metric dimensions.
snip
> Is it possible that your Rover has similar characteristics?
Walter, 
Hope you're wrong. The guy I bought it from told me Landrover switched to 
metric completely in '82.
He walked to the Rover, opened the hood, en came back with a smile:
"You are lucky. All metric!"
In five weeks, when I (no, we) will have the 109 in posession, I'll unbolt 
some items no doubt, find out, and let you know.

Thanks for the paintnumbers.
Cheers, Jan.

Cheers! Did I say that? 
janjan@xs4all.nl
Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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From: RGludt@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:54:42 -0500
Subject: First time

Hello.  I'm Rob, and while I currently reside in Virginia, my S1 80" 50 is in
sunny California..

Anyhow, I recently went to the St Patrick's Day parade in Washington, D.C.
and got both sunburned and a vision.  A vision of what you might ask?  Land
Rovers of course.  Land Rovers in the U.S. capital.

What does this have to do with anything?  

The annual Cherry Blosom parade is fast approaching and I think it is a great
excuse for Rover owners to get together and show off a bit.

If you wish to participate, e-mail me now so I can

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: SIII transfer case noises.
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 9:08:08 EST

> I'll have a look at the mounts. Do you think this position of the lever 
> could cause the noises?
none

I don't think that the level could cause the noise, unless High range is 
not fully engaging.
> > transfer case to the gearbox, including the 3 inside the transfer case.  
> > Unbolt the mounts, and voila, one transfer case remove (If I haven't 
> Can I remove it by hand, or will I need a lift of some kind?
none

You need a strong arm lift kit, but not that strong, as I can do it!!
> > want.  I reckon it is the easiest way to remove the gear box, as I 
> > absolutely hate trying to put a motor in, a major pain in the butt.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanks for the help! :)
> Geir

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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From: Trinitee@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:14:04 -0500
Subject: Advice please: Storing a LR

Hi world,
             I would really appreciate your advice on what I need to do in
storing my great 95 Discovery for 2 yrs. I will be relocating to another
country on a 2 yr contract and will not take the Disco with me. The company
will pay for storage costs. Please give me any tips and advice on what must
be done to this beauty of a vehicle and what precautions one should take in
storing it. Appreciate it. Thanks.
                                                    
 Peter Dee , Dallas ,TX

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:36:49 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Overdrive Blues

The problem -

Fill up the transfer box with 90wt (or I guess 80/90) go for a drive down
the highway. 90wt moves from transfer box into overdrive and gearbox with
the result that they both end up too full and the transfer box is low. Also
fine mist of 90wt is deposited all over the rear (there goes that automatic
frame oiler again). The overdrive just blows excess oil out its vent.

Now this problem has been reported before and the anwer was to put vents on
the gearbox, transfer case, and overdrive. Well as the transfer box was the
one losing oil I thought it must be the one building up pressure so I put a
new vent on it. That didn't solve the problem. Now I suspect the seals
between the components must be bad.

Any thoughts?

As I said I use 80/90wt and I'm not sure if it is hypoid (whatever that
means or not). Could this cause problems? I fill the transfer box up (IIa
model) to the check plug on the side so I'm not overfilling it.

Greg

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:00:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Pierre's letter, jory's response, et al ad infinitum ad nause

>That's more like it, thanks John.  Explain to me if you know, your latest
message indicated "From: Sanna@aol.com", while the previous message to which
I tersly replied indicated "From: Solihul@aol.com".

No, we're two COMPLETELY seperate people.  I was just "not minding my own
business" and did John the favor of forwarding his AOL profile to the
RoverNet.   - Tony

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:02:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Unger <ungerd@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: 109 diesels

I have recently acquired a 1967 Ser.IIa 109 STW, which the former owner 
were in
the process of converting to diesel. My problem is whether to keep the 
diesel, finish the conversion, or overhaul the original engine, which I 
have, and reconvert the rig to petrol. My Landy friends here are dubious 
of the diesel installation, saying the 109 will be underpowered. Any 
thoughts?
                     -Don Unger
                      1967 Ser.IIa 109 STW
                      1972 Ser.III 88     

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:30:40 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: http site 

Thanks for the tip on the new http site.  The 80/RoverWeb worked like you 
said.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: 20 Mar 95 19:14:28 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Gearboxes et al

Jan --  Netherland Your 1983 109 will have few metric fittings, most will be
American threads, the UNF and UNC series, thes have hexagon head sizes similar
to the metric. ie 1/4" unf takes a 7/16" ( 11,1 mm ) wrench but an 11 mm will
do, the 5/16" unf takes a 1/2" ( 12,7 mm) wrench so a 13 mm will be a slack fit,
and the 3/8" unf takes a 9/16" ( 14,27 mm ) wrench. Just be careful, do not try
to puse metric screws in tapped holes, it is OK to use nuts and bolts.

Geir   Gearbox noise. Transfer boxes are usually not much trouble, take a look
at the gear at the output from the main gearbox, this is accessed through a
flange on the rear of the gearbox which is secured by 6   ( 9/16" a/f ) nuts,
the  gear is secured to the shaft by a castellated nut and a lockwasher, these
often come loose allowing the mainshaft to float. There is a steel acces cover
on the top of the box.

 If you remove the bottom transfer case you can inspect the state of the idler
gear bearings and teeth.
 One of the problems associated with a box that rarely gets used in 4wd or low
ratio is that the shafts that pass through the transfer case to change ratio or
engage / disengage 4 w sieze up.  at the front of the front output shaft housing
, just above the drive shaft connection you will see a metal cover which has a
couple of pieces of tube welded to it. If you remove this cover which
necessitates the removal of the yellow knob rocker you will see 2 shafts, approx
13 mm dia, lubricate the ends and move the transfer lever to and fro, you will
see one of these shafts move, the other is spring loaded to disengage 4 wd when
going from 4 to 2 wheel drive, it may be necessary to move this with a plastic
mallet until it will move freely.
 It is possible to remove the transfer box with the gearbox in situ, many people
do this to reduce the weight when removing the box. It is easier to split them
on the bench.
 If you remove the box change the 2/3 gear bearing bush as a matter of routine,
also look closely at the second gear, the small teeth on the side which the
first gear locks over to engage 2nd, these wear easily and lead to difficulty
with keeping the gear engaged.

   Copper brake pipes are not very good, vibration plays havoc with them . IMI
company make a brake pipe material called Kunifer, this is a copper alloy and it
is very good, it does not rust, it does however need to be clipped in place
properly. Do not use pure copper.

  Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 22:37:54 PST
From: johnliu@lainet.com (John Y. Liu)
Subject: Rover For Sale

My 1962 Series IIA LWB 3-door petrol hardtop is reluctantly for sale.  If anyone is interested, e-mail me for details.

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Tapered Roller transfers
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:49:23 +1030 (CST)

Tried to send this several days ago, just found it sitting quietly in our
/tmp :-(  sorry for the delay.

Jory writes :
> Here's something I caught on rec.autos.4x4. frighteningly enough, it is a
> response to one of taylor's queries.

Ah so thats where he went,  Taylor come back we miss you :-) 

> however, i wondered what the "taper roll bearing conversion for the
transfer case" was?

No Idea for series car boxes but there is one for the Stage 1/ Rangie/Def...
LT95 4spd    Never seen one, comes from Marks 4x4 Adapters  ( the same mob
that do the Nissan truck 5sp conversion for series cars).  Claimed to
strengthen the box and make it quieter and less clunky, I think it places the
Intermediate gears on Tapers, with mods to the shaft and housing.

I believe that it is more than a little expensive :-(

ISTR that the OZ army 110's and perentje 6x6's have a tapered roller transfer
(specified by army to strengthen LT95's) Lloyd, Craig, any comments???

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
  Dept. of Plant Science,    Waite Institute
  University of Adelaide,  Glen Osmond S.A. 5064
  Australia. Voice:61_8 303 7426  Fax:61_8 303 7102

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:21:38 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: engine transplants

Howdy all,

I've been meaning to ask this for awhile:  Are Ford engines (4 or 6
cylinder) transplanted into rovers?   It seems that chevy's are the common
insert here in the states.  I see from LROI that all sorts of diesels are
used for conversions, but still as the owner of a tiger with the ford 260
v8, I was wondering.

Please don't let this start a chev vs ford flame war!  Email me privately
if you want to keep things quiet.

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble)
University of Calif
Davis, CA                         Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: US Metal Hardtop D90s?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 18:20:36 EST

> Does anyone know the location of any dealers who still have the US model 
> D90s available with the metal hardtop?  I understand there were 40 or so 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Bartlett
I was driving along the Penna Turnpike this past weekend headed eastbound
from the burbs of philly (Valley Forge area).  There, along the southern
side of the pike, was a RR dealer (??-maybe someone out here knows who
they are, but there can't be *that* many in and about Philly) that had
a hardtop (aluminium, I believe-it looked just like the older style
hard tops and not like the other newer type) D90 parked out front.

Didn't look sold to me.

rd/nige

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 09:41:35 PST
From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch)
Subject: Re: Advice please: Storing a LR

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com Tue Mar 21 09:36 PST 1995
> Hi world,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> be done to this beauty of a vehicle and what precautions one should take in
> storing it. Appreciate it. Thanks.

Peter,

The best thing I can think of is to lend it to a friend!  You wouldnt want
that beauti going to waist would you?  ;->

Jason

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From: JOHN M MELHUISH <WSRJMM@CF.AC.UK>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:38:20 GMT
Subject: Re: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE info

X-To:          LRO@TEAM.NET
Organization:  Team.Net
Reply-to:      LRO@uk.stratus.com
From:          Barry Dudley <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date:          Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:08:57 +200
Subject:       GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE

HELLO FOLKS,

Here in DEEPEST, DARKEST AFRICA where life continues as ever
before (G&T, Sun downers and GREAT SUN SETS) I have noticed
that there have been few technical questions lately (but lot's
about two lists and flames which I just delete).  Here is one
for you:

When i pulled off from a robot this morning there was a sudden
GRINDING sound from the underneath somewhere and LOSS of POWER
to the wheels.  I thought it could be a half shaft (i only
wish) but on engaging 4X4 the same noise occurred when I tried
engaging gears.  The CLUTCH is firm and fine (by all
appearances), meaning it is the GEARBOX.

QUESTIONS:  1 - Any idea what the PROBLEM is?
2 -  What ADVICE do you have if I do it myself?  Never looked
at gearboxes before.
3 - While it is out how about doing other maintenance /repairs
/checks (cos i hear this is a NO FUN JOB - not to be repeated
in the WILDS of AFRICA).

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanx

Barry

Sounds like the layshaft bearings have collapsed if you are lucky 
the layshaft has not broken they however usually are.

When you have the box out replace all the bearings and the reverse 
gear bushes or bearings. Put in a new clutch assembly and thrust 
bearing. Check all the gears for chips replace if any damaged. Check 
the springs and dedent parts on second gear engagement hub
check the outer gear of the third fouth sincro hob any chips then 
replace. As long as the layshaft and gears are OK this should not be 
to costly. The LR box is not that complex after removing the bell 
housing you have resonable access just keep evrything in order on a 
bench and reassembly is the reverse of disassembly. Best of luck. 
Time day to get box out day to repaui and day to reassemble depending 
on the condition of the nuts and bolts. Use a disk cutter otherwise.

 

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From: JOHN M MELHUISH <WSRJMM@CF.AC.UK>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:53:28 GMT
Subject: Re Holiday USA 4x4

Anybody interested in a holiday in California May 19- June 5.
Visiting the national parks and doing a bit of off roading some 
outings have been promised by 4x4 's Stateside. Mail for full 
details. 4x4 hire has been arranged.

JOHN 

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:47:26 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Still "need" a 109...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Still "need" a 109...
Hello all,

Well, I thought I had a purchase lined up for a 109, but it looks like
the deal fell through. So.... I'm still looking....

Wanted:
  109 Series IIa or III
  4 door (Well... actually I guess it's a 5 door.)
  Seating for 9-12.
  Good running condition.
  Body condition not so important.
  Prefer diesel, but petrol is okay.
  Prefer LHD but RHD is okay as well.
  Safari top.

Please e-mail me if you have, or know of anything available.

Thanks, Dave Brown - Phoenix Arizona USA

P.S. Have '94 Disco to trade with if interested...

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:55:03 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: '94 Disco price... $29,000 (US)?

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: '94 Disco price... $29,000 (US)?
I have a LOADED '94 Disco for sale, and was offered a cash offer of
$29,000. This sounded very low to me, what do "you all" think? I think
around $31,000 (US) should be my bottom line. She has 14500 miles on
her. Got her all shined up... (Looks like a "yuppie truck" now...
YUCK!!) I'm not THAT desperate (financially) but HATE driving something
this clean and shiny! Please help!!

I'm in digest mode, and have had problems with it lately, so please
e-mail me directly if possible. debrown@srp.gov

Thanks, Dave Brown - Phoenix Arizona (USA)

P.S. I've not been getting the digest consistently. Nothing at all from
yesterday, anyone else having digestive problems??

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wrdmail.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Still "need" a 109...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:15:48 -0800 (PST)

>>>>> DEBROWN@SRP.GOV writes:
> Wanted:
>   109 Series IIa or III
>   4 door (Well... actually I guess it's a 5 door.)
none

A little while ago, when we were still dealing with things Land 
Rover-ish, there was a whole series of positings of Land Rovers for sale 
all around North America.  It is highly unlikely that these have all been 
sold.  There were several 109's in the SF Bay Area, including one that 
sounded pretty good for $7,500. It had a Koenig (I think) winch.  
You might want to go back through those Digests.  The subject lines 
should provide diagnostic clues :^>

Walter Swain      1967 IIA 109 Safari SW Petrol
Davis, CA         
 

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Subject: Re: engine transplants 
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:57:07 -0500
From: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net>

I've been wondering the same (almost) thing.  it seems like
the jeep inline 6cyl is a perfect, reliable performer.  or is
it too long for the rover engine housing?

Jeff Young
young@mci.net

> Return-Path: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com
> Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by ns.mci.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA18754 for <young@mci.net>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:25:23 -0500
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)]
> University of Calif
> Davis, CA                         Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:34:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: filter #'s

That NAPA number for the filter is the Diesel fuel filter (NO?) the 
oilfilter number for the "short" filter is 1099...

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 296
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Fulton, New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13069

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From: danielg@eskimo.com (Daniel Grambihler)
Subject: D90 w/BMW engine?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:01:33 -0800 (PST)

Hi all-

Perhaps someone could help clear this up....I heard a rumor that the
US D90's may be switching to a BMW V8. Anyone have any info on this?
 (size, model year, etc...)

I'm considering buying a '95 D90, but if an engine change is forthcoming
I'd hold off for a bit.

BTW, I was looking @ a '94 D90 that was being dressed @ the dealership
(Scotssdale LR, AZ, USA) and sitting next to it was D110 #29/500! Just
in for repairs (I didn't ask what) - now if I could just convince the
owner to trade me straight up for a feather up his ### and we'd both
be tickled to death! 

later - Daniel

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 20:04:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Advice please: Storing a LR

Peter has to put his toys away and asks....

>              I would really appreciate your advice on what I need to do in
> storing my great 95 Discovery for 2 yrs. I will be relocating to another
> country on a 2 yr contract and will not take the Disco with me. The
> company will pay for storage costs.

Well... There is an additive you can put in the gas that should stabilize
it. I don't have any experience with the stuff myself, so I can't recommend
anything specific. Check out an auto supply place or maybe an RV supply for
what's available. Buy a good car cover.. One that can "breathe". I'm
assuming that this will be stored indoors, but even so, after two years it
will accumulate a lot of dust, so a cover is a definate must have. You need
one that can breathe so that no moisture stays trapped underneath. You
probably should disconnect the battery and coat the terminals with grease so
they don't oxidize. Probably changing the oil prior to storage is a good
idea - just to get rid of the nasty corrosives that accumulate there. If you
have a manual transmission, some people recommend using a block to keep the
clutch pedal down... keeps the clutch from rusting up. Find a copy of
Hemmings Motor News and see if there are any places that specialize in car
storage in your area.. What the hey.. if someone else is going to pay for
it...

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: ALLISONS@central.edu
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:44:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: message for John Liu

Sorry to clutter up the net, but I've been trying to reach John Liu about his
62 109 hardtop and my messages to him keep getting bounced.

John, 
	I may be interested in your 109 - depends on price and condition and
location.  So please send me the details or send me your address and we can
exchange questions without bothering everyone else.
	The address I got for you from your message is "johnliu@lainet.com" and
for some reason I can't messages to go through there.

Thanks for your time,
Stuart Allison
allisons@central.edu

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:13:24 -0500
Subject: No LRO-digest on 3/21

Somehow I never received the 3/21 lro-digest, or was there not one today??
Just wondering if there had been a problem delivering it.

Cheers

Chris Whitehead

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:05:50 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: filter #'s

Thanks to everyone for the oil filter numbers.  Just for price 
comparisons, I bought two NAPA filters for $6.34 each in Manitoba Canada.  
I would like to get some idea what our prices are like compared to some 
of you U.S. locations.  I guess with spin ons averaging about $3.90 each, 
you can figure if the spin on adaptor would really save much.

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:36:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: filter #'s

On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, David John Place wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for the oil filter numbers.  Just for price 
> comparisons, I bought two NAPA filters for $6.34 each in Manitoba Canada.  
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> of you U.S. locations.  I guess with spin ons averaging about $3.90 each, 
> you can figure if the spin on adaptor would really save much.
Prices vary all over the place, but the Fram filters used for spin on 
applications are the basic GM V8 application and there are billions and 
billions of them out there and priced accordingly.  I think the one I use 
with the adaptor is the PH8A (looks right) and they are often sale priced 
(the time to buy a year's supply) at the high volume parts places like 
Grand Auto and Kragen for about $2 to $2.50 US or about $2.85 to $3.60 
CDN. NAPA here is more expensive too.  I've been told that WIX makes the 
NAPA oil filters.  

Several years ago Consumers Reports ran an article on their tests of oil
filters.  They fell all over themselves praising the Fram filters, and
that was just as Fram came out with a more efficient design that was also
tested, but not as thoroughly.  They liked that one even more.  There are
those that find fault with Consumer Union's testing methods, but the
critics usually seem to have just had their ox gored.  Since I'm not an
expert in most things that they test, I've found it to be a reasonable
proctice to follow their recommendations unless I have reason not to.  I
had a series of Peugeots that I liked for various perverse reasons, and CU
disliked for equally perverse reasons (The French tend to do things in
their own way and CU likes uniformity in things like control locations). 
But at least they made their reasons clear and one could accept or reject
their position based on information.  I'm sure that they would regard each
and every one of us as totally irrational for messing around with our old
beasts.  In fact, I noticed in the April Car issue that they refer to the
Defender as "crude".  Let's hear it for really crude! 

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Walter C. Swain          |  wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 
Davis Community Network  |
Davis, CA  USA           |   1967 109 IIA Safari SW

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:35:35 PST
Subject: D110's and LR signs

Saw a D110 up at Mammoth Sunday. Just got a brief look as it went the other
way. (BTW I wasn't driving so I couldn't flash my lights.) It was white and
this brings to mind a question I have: were/are all D110's imported into
the US white?

I didn't hear anything back on genuine LR signs etc. I know everybody out
there probably wouldn't part with one but what if you had two? Maybe for
the right price?

Dean J. Silliman writes:

>One more question ... Do the D90 people go with the "Series" people (i.e. the
>non-leather & electric button crowd) or the "RR/Disco" people (i.e. Coil
>springs can go to hell")??

>I like  good controversial question.

Well, this will probably stir up the pot.

- Stephen

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 00:54:07 CST
From: bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu (Benjamin Freeman)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hi all thank you all for the information, that I've learned from
all of you. I'd like to openenly state that I'm still trying to
sell my '73-SIII 88 so if anyone is interested plaese pass it along
an yes, I'm happy to deliver it to anywere in the W. of the rockies.

So feel free to send inquires to me.
Benjamin J. Freeman
13739-Linden Ave. N. #C-102
Seattle,  WA  98133
(206)365-3514

P.S. Dave try Fram oil filter #CH834PL1 it comes with the O-ring.
Take Care...

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 00:55:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Advice please: Storing a LR

Peter...

I would be glad to store the disco for you down here in sunny Florida (no 
worry of roadsalt), if you don't mind oh, say, an extra 50k miles on it 
when you get back :).  

c-ya 
steve
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

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