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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:36:59 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Robert's Mercruiser

Saw Robert's Mercruiser the other day...man, it is one neat installation.
Somehow, the engine is *smaller* than the Rover 2.25, yet cranks out 151
horses.   Robert was able to use the stock Rover intake and exhaust
manifolds...but fabricated an adapter plate between the manifolds and the
block.  Seems that the Mercruiser/Chevy intake ports are squarish and the
the Rover's are, of course, round.  The one inch thick adapter (appears to
be a brass billet) makes the transition from round to square.  If he were
to paint it, you couldn't tell it from original equipment.  The boy can
make things *work*.  Robert reports that acceleration is almost
"frightening".  He has installed his usual brake conversion...stainless
steel master with a remote booster...so that it stops just as quick as it goes.

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 08:43:02 CST
From: changc@vlab.nsd.fmc.com (Cheng-Lung Chang x????)
Subject: Discovery skid plates

Hi, 

I am posting this for a guy on the "Offroad Digest".  If you know the answers 
he is looking for, please e-mail to his wife's e-mail address:dputman@usaid.gov

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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 23:29:47 EST
From: "Diana Putman" <dputman@usaid.gov>
Subject: Discovery skid plates

I'm writing from Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, where my wife and moved a few months
ago.  After a lot of deliberation, and attention to this list while we were 
still in the US, we bought a Land Rover Discovery.  A four wheel drive is an 
absolute necessity here.  The city streets resemble logging roads more than 
anything else.  The roads in the game parks, paradoxically, are sometimes 
better because they don't get the volume of heavy bus and truck traffic.  

Our Disco has the 2.5L Turbo diesel, which is fine.  It gets terrific 
mileage--we can go about 500 miles on a tank of fuel, so that with a few 
jerricans we can make a round trip to some fairly remote game parks without 
having to purchase fuel.  Diesel is a must--it can be hard to find gasoline 
out in the bush.

During a recent visit to the Ruaha National Park we decided to venture down an
unimproved road.  Saw a few things we hadn't seen previously, notably eland, 
duiker, and reedbuck.  Not so bad.  The track crossed a dried swamp, and 
disappeared.  uh-oh.  Fortunately we had a GPS and the complete set of 
1:50,000 maps, so that we could determine that we were within a couple of 
klicks of a road.  The only problem was that we were going to have to 
bushwhack.  The best alternative seemed to be to drive in the bed of sand 
river.  So we locked the diff, and headed into the sand.  It was really mushy,
but we had at it anyway.  Then it started raining.

Shortly thereafter the river disappeared.  So we figured backtracking was the 
most acceptable solution, and made for home.  I had to keep up some speed 
inthe sand river, and at one point there was a pretty serious thud.  Back on 
the dirt track I got out and saw what the problem was--I had bashed the tie 
rods, and the front wheels were now both pointing outward.  Kind of like the 
reverse of being pigeon-toed.

I'm not sure what I dreaded most--telling my wife that I had done the number 
on our three-month old Disco, or trying to fix the thing in the bush.  So I 
told my wife, and headed up to the park HQ.  They called a mechanic, who had 
at it quicktime.  Looked like he'd done this kind of thing before.  Right 
there by the grease pit was an old truck wheel.  He put the tie rods on the 
wheel and bashed them with a sledgehammer.  This did what it was supposed to, 
and an alignment job back in the city fixed everything.  Whew.

So, can anyone tell me where to buy Disco skid plates in the U.S.  We're going
back later this week, and I'd really like to pick up a set I can bolt on.  
Ditto a plate to protect the fuel tank.  Please address replies to me at my 
wife's e-mail address--due to the limitations of the USAID email system, we 
can't get message longer than 12K, which means we can't read the offroad list.

Thanks for any pointers. Adam Messer
dputman@usaid.gov

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:50:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: What *I* Heard Was...

On Wed, 15 Feb 1995, Mike Rooth wrote:

> The Classic Range Rover will remain as long as there is a demand
> for it,since the customer survey they did for the new model,
> indicated that there were mant people completely satisfied/bessotted
> with the old one.

	This is exactly what they have been doing with the Mini.  As long
	as it makes a few pounds, flog it.  (Wouldn't mind the engine
	that's in it now either... a 1275 injected lump)

> I asked whether the Tdi would be introduced in the US.The reply was
> that there was no demand for it and that therefore it wouldnt be.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> appreciative of their customer loyalty.So where they got this
> impression from may be Mr Hughes et al,to what end,who knows.

	LRCanada asked for this already.  Solihull told them that they
	couldn't build the vehicle we want at a decent price (ie bring
	in a TDi stripper as sold to your farmers).  The last bit in you
	paragraph is just the usual propoganda...  You should have asked
	about the rumour that they are axing support for a lot of the 
	Series parts, albeit the slack will be picked up by the OEM type,
	but...

	Rgds,

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: HUBS
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 7:03:24 PST

RE: Hubs
My SIIa had no hubs.  The drive flanges on the front were so worn that I either
had to replace them with new flanges, or buy some used Warns ($90/pair).
>From my understanding, the older flanges wore easily (yes/no?).  That's why
I run the Warn hubs...  Any input?
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:15:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Perdition's Flames

On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 jpappa01@InterServ.Com wrote:

> Wow! My eyebrows have been singed off me face, mates! The scud exchange 
> between D90 and Series landies was expected, if not a bit on the strong side.

	Mere puffery Jim.  Neither side brought out the real weaponry.  Not
	enough time to escalate properly, gather allies, you know, the usual
	process followed when you want to have a real good roast.

> I look at it this way - most of the lroteam netheads are niche enough to rise 
> beyond individual model vs. model. 

	No, not really.  (at least in public)

> Pointless. All Land Rovers. All good. All of the same cloth. 

	Not pointless.  A learning experience.  All different.  A 101 is
	different from a 130 which is different from the 4.0SE range rover
	which differs from an 81".  We like 'em all too,..

> I feel a slight uneasiness - it was alluded to in one of the exchanges that 
> people who buy new vehicles and enter them in a concours event with older 
> vehicles in a general class are guilty of heresy. 

	Should be burnt at the stake.  Granted it is also the fault of the
	organisers to have concours events where they have everything from
	an Austin Healy to a Mini is  the same judging section.

> vaguely resembling myself had his new Def 110 at the British Invasion a couple 
> of years ago and took second place in the Land Rover class. 

	The people choice awards at Stowe are a joke.  You know it, I 
	know it, a lot of people know it.  Just by showing up, your 110
	was elegible to be voted on.  You didn't stick it in there 
	deliberately.  We're not sticking pins in you here.  

	As per the clases at Stowe, we have argued with Chris Francis & Gaetano 
	for the past four years about this.  (Note: they have never responded,
	nor acknowledged any of our suggestions that they ask us to mail back
	every year...)  Two years ago he rightly said that five-seven
	Land Rovers/Range ROvers do not justify seperate classes.  Last year
	there were nearly thirty or so Land Rovers there.  If the Jags 
	can have something like twenty different classes, we can have a 
	couple (at least taking the Disco/RR out.  We will see what they
	have to say.
	

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:07:38 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Lodes & Cheweys

Tom Wrote:

none
Yesterday I read about an off road test of the new Range Rover in
Off-road and 4WD mag (UK) where the lucky swines got to drive it around
Land Rover's test track in the grounds of Eastnor Castle.
They were favourably impressed with its performance, but claimed that
this is expected since the test track has been prepared to suit Lode
Lane products and make them look good. What do they mean by prepared?
none

Lode Lane would be foolish to create a test track that their vehicles could 
not navigate.  I would suspect that the water runs/mud bogs have a rock/gravel 
foundation, as most of the off road schools do.  If they didn't, they would 
quickly become impassible.  They're probably designed to the point that a 
novice could still get stuck, but a skilled driver would get through.  The 
idea would be to demonstrate the limits of what the vehicle could do and for 
the most part keep just under those limits.  They also have spots designed to 
demonstrate winching, that are impassible.  Just speculation on my part.

Has anyone seen a commercial for some sort of Chewey candy, with a D90 going 
through a jungle?  I only caught the last few seconds of it the other night. 
Just bored & curious.

Baloney

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: 15 Feb 95 10:15:46 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Air Portables not rare

Walter:

Air portables are certainly not rare... Thousands of them were made for the
Para's and even more were sold to Belgium and Belize.  Unless the vehicle is
near mint and has its full tool-load, it's not a $10K vehicle. 

There is a guy up near Cleveland (Bob Stall) who has a gorgeous lightweight.
Also a number of really nice military Land Rovers -- a 109 ambulance, a couple
of really rare special-purpose forward controls, lightweights, etc.   If you
ever get to any of the Blue Ridge LRC meets, he is usually there.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:44:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: The AntiChrist

On Wed, 15 Feb 1995 taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu wrote:

> The rover in "The God's must be Crazy" was a series I, right?  That would make 
> it an 80" wouldn't it?

	Sereis One came in the following wheelbases:

		80"  (three different front grille arrangements)
		81"
		86"
		88"
		107"
		109"

> And I could hear nicely through the soundtrack that that thing was LOUD! :)  
> Would anyone want to venture a guess as to the engine that was in it?

	Probably a 2 litre, though it has been a long time since I saw the
	movie...

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Date: 15 Feb 95 10:28:13 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Best Rover? (how to start a fight?)

>> Sanna@AOL.com wrote:

>> Best Rover? - 1968-9 IIa  88,  2.25 petrol, tropical roof or canvas.

IMHO, there are several best Rovers...

For a dependable sport-ute that fits in with family/suburban lifestyle... Disco.

For a vehicle that to drive off-road (because you don't want to get your Turbo
Bentley dirty) a Range Rover (personally, I prefer the SWB, but hey, I would not
kick a County LWB out of the garage for dripping oil)

For ultimate off-road ability (backwoods repairability notwithstanding) a
Defender 90 (I want one!!)

To drive across Greenland --  101 Fwd Control towing a 110 Defender

For total reliability and ease of maintenance and outstanding off-road
performance, a IIa 88 (but not a late one with fender-mount lights).  Add a
trailer if not enough space.

For the ultimate statement of quirkyness an 1958 RHD Series 1 fire engine
(Sorry, dad, I could not resist)...

You see, IMHO each Land Rover has its own enthusiasts and its own niche uses.
Some of those uses overlap, some don't.  In the ideal world, all of us on this
list would have one of each, so we could choose them like golf clubs (and we
would have unlimited free time, bottomless gas tanks, and no paved roads in
North America...) Time to wake up.

R. P. Reid

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From: GalvinJ@rad-lan-po.radiology.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 08:42 CST

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Date: 15 Feb 95 12:29:05 EST
From: Jose Alicea <73023.1511@compuserve.com>
Subject: LandRover Subscription

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:53:37 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Forbes Magazine

I just received this month's "ASAP" Magazine, published by and sent to all
"Forbes" subscribers.  The LRO mailing list gets mentioned in "the
electronic parking lot" along with another dozen marque groups.

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From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:19:57 EDT
Subject: Bleeding LR Brakes and Clutch

> From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
> Date:          Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:49:12 +1100
> Subject:       Lockheed Brake Shoes
none
What is the importance of the 15' of hose to bleed the brakes? I have 
used a couple feet and jar partially filled with brake fluid. On my 
recent overhaul with rebuilt master cyclinders and wheel cyclinders I 
am having trouble getting all the air out of the system. Is the 
answer alot of patience and try,try again? Any hints would be 
appreciated.

Guy Arnold
Clarkson University 
1973 SeriesIII swb

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Parts, Wars, Hand Throttles and Newfies
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:34:00 PST

An assortment of thought/comments on recent online chatter...

Parts availability...When I bought my first L-R - in 1969 from (Laughing) 
Paul Felton...the dealer (probably not really a thief) in San Francisco, 
 BMC was responsible for parts...later it was British Leyland...and then 
they pulled out of the U.S. market...in late '74 (?).  During those 5 
years...it was almost impossible to get ANY parts from the dealer.

Atlantic British founded in those years was the first ray of hope...But it 
was not until my '69 was old enough to vote that I found parts available as 
needed (with the exception of the large amber turn signal lenses) and priced 
somewhat sanely.  I believe that Rover's North really got the North American 
Parts business organized and forced the competitors to get their acts 
together.

The Series v. Newbie wars:
Hey...I love my Series III and if I were needlessly rich...I'd go buy a new 
one of everything a D90, D110, a Disco and a RR.  And I'd take 'em out and 
thrash 'em just like I've done with my dear old Gooey.  In 1990 at Moab I 
was very impressed with the RRs, they did it all.   A guy named Grady (from 
Grand Junction?) took his RR everywhere the rest of us went...and he did it 
with the air-conditioning on.   BUT I ain't got that kinda loot.

I think there is another factor though...the social aspects.  In the area I 
live, Sonoma Valley Calif.  The Discos, D90/110 and RRs are 
everywhere...dozens of 'em...and almost none of the people on the phone at 
the helm have any idea what my Series is.  And they don't care, why should 
they...they didn't buy theirs because of the idiosyncratic hardware in the 
next lane...they probably bought it after considering the pros and cons of 
the other contemporary SUV and/or Luxury cars.  I'm sure that Grand Cherokee 
owners are somewhat aware that the post-WWII Willys are the ancestors of 
their rigs...and I'll bet mostly they don't care.  It's much the same thing 
that happened to MGs in 1955/6 when the T series MG owners considered the 
MGA an aberration and MGA owners thought their cars were most closely 
related to Jag XK140s or Austin Healeys.    The real problem is the damn 
Marketing cruds at Land Rover North America that are playing up the Status 
angle...and successfully getting market share by charging too much. 
  Mercedes North America did the same thing about 15 years ago...they first 
doubled prices (relative to European) and doubled market share...and as they 
further increased prices...ditto share.   It's the same reason a stainless 
steel Rolex costs 20 or 30 times as much as a perfectly good and more 
accurate run of the mill watch.  People want to buy the 
image/mystique/cache.  Sorry for rambling here but it pisses me off.

Hand throttles...my 72 has a hand throttle on the firewall mounted 
vertically above the left side of the transmission.  Works great as cruise 
control driving across Nevada.

And Newfies...Mike Rooth sorta has it right...they are beautiful, large, 
lovely dogs...but in a Land Rover they are actually the window tinting 
mechanism.  I use a smaller lighter version, a Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesian) 
Ridgeback does the job for me with some help from a Labrador.  In order to 
reduce Ultra-violet intrusion the "Newfie"  smears liberal amounts of dog 
snot and saliva on the inner window surfaces.  Very effective and provides 
some privacy as the glass becomes very nearly opaque in just a few hours. 
 They also serve and an urban car theft deterrent and to mask any aromatic 
problems you might experience. 8^).

Gerry 72 88

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:12:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lodes & Cheweys

Sighting! Sighting!

The Jolly Rancher T.V. add has a D90 ala girl and boy slashing 
their way through the jungle to get to some temple thing.

Boy, I must watch too much TV to have seen this brief shot.

Also, the magazine titled "Practical Classics" (must be Land Rover
namesake) Feb. issue has a Land Rover special:  What type to buy, history
of, what it can do, how to restore etc.  Saw it at Barnes & Nobel, but
didn't want to shell out $6.50.  Funny though, this is a British rag, but
they said some funny things about Land Rovers.  It was all about series
Rovers, and the writer said that the later vehicles (i.e. ser III) are
cushier, so occasionally frowned upon as not being in the Rover spirit. 
Then he goes on to say that the Ser. III gearbox is stronger than earlier
models.  Well, I suppose it is if you don't know how to double clutch....
But my overall impression is that the writer didn't really know much about
Rovers at all......

Oh ya, there is also a brief section on engine conversions....merely
discriptive.

Ciao,

Morgan Hannaford
U.C. Berkeley
'69 IIA 88"

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: D-90 tidbits
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 12:00:31 PST

I have got the Hi Lift jack bolted to the bumper, fit like it was
designed for it. I put a bolt thu the two inside nuts on the bumper, and
they happen to be the correct spacing. I put a little foam around the jack
handle, and on the bumper, and it is great. Now I should have a Ten mile
 an hour bumper.

I also isntalled a CB radio. I mounted it in the center of the storage
bin, and got the power off the cig lighter. I ran the antenna wire down to
the main fuse area, and over to the panel with the dimmer switch. Under
that panel is a grommet thru the bulkhead. Great truck to work on.

As far as replacing the ECU. If it fails out of warrenty I will probably
just remove the engine, use it for a spare for the Range Rover, and
put a TDI in.
 
D-90 Series wars, If you can't poke fun at your buddy stuck in the mud,
you shouldn't be playing in the mud in the first place.

Any one got some cold weather MPG figures for s D-90. Mine seems to get
14 MPG in cold weather, and better in warmer. (haven't had three warm
days in a row since I got the truck.)

Warning flasher.
Uncle Lucas ran a 1" diameter bundle of cable up to that switch. I think
he wired each light seperately. Sometimes I think I am drive a good
percentage of the worlds copper supply down the highway.

Russ Burns
94 D-90
91 Range Rover

 

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From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland, III)
Subject: Ideals...To Rover or not to Rover
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 15:37:10 

Hi, 

Just responding to your comments about my desires in a Rover.

Noise:  Noise doesn't bother me.  Like I said, I have driven a Toy LC with no 
overdrive and big funky tires and, man!, was it loud (It especially made a 
hell of a lot of racket when I blew the head gasket doing 75mph.  :) )  Good 
tires and good seals, if I'm not mistaken, should keep it down to a bearable 
roar.

Cumfort:  Anything would be better than what I've got now.  I've been driving 
for 2 years with a spring in my seat trying desperately to shove its way 
through my leg and this is supposedly a comfortable bucket seat...bah!

Power:  I have a 2.8L V6 in my Blazer and it barely will do 60 up a mountain.  
The gearing is such that I can get to 90 if I so desire (most of the time I 
don') but I can drive quite nicely at ~70-72mph.  I have talked to someone who 
has a Rover going 75 on highways so I know it can be done.

Electricity:  I've made a lot of posts about wanting power ports.  That's only 
because I need the phone and spotlight from time to time.  Plus radios have 
been put in the things and worked.  I had a radio in the LC but it was also so 
loud you had to turn the thing all the way up just to make out the tune, but 
it was still cool.

Maintenance:  I'm not afraid of doing work on a car.  I just have never had a 
car that you really could do any work on.  I would like to be able to get to a 
problem and fix it myself if I had the need.  If I fried a wire on my Blazer, 
there is no way in hell I could find it, let alone fix it on the spot.  The 
extreme less complicatedness of the series rovers appeals to me.  But then 
again, I don't want to buy one rusting in someone's yard as apparently most of 
the people on this mailing list are wont to do.  I'd rather start off with 
fixed vehicle and learn how to fix it when the time arose.  From my research, 
I have found that it is only the kit, fixer-uppers are the ones that have the 
transmission fall out in the street.  Now you can probably fix it, but if I 
get a refurbished vehicle (if it is done well enough) then I shouldn't have 
those problems right off the bat.

Image:  So I want to have an image.  So what?  If it breaks on the side of the 
road, then people get to see me lean over the side, jiggle something and go on 
trucking.  (given a little time to learn how to do it)  They can laugh and say 
that it shouldn't have broken in the first place and that is a piece of junk, 
but then I can laugh when they hit a pothole and have to pay $100 + labor to 
have the oil pan replaced.  (This happened to me with a Peugeot, but I really 
had a head on collision with a hill...long story)

Sorry, I didn't mean to flame...but I do want to get it across that I'm not 
after a suburbia cruiser with the shell of a rugged 4x4.  I actually do want 
sommething rugged and ugly (well maybe not ugly :) ) and noisy and something I 
have a chance of fixing myself if something goes wrong: something like a rover.

My incessant questioning has only to do with my lack of experience with these 
vehicles.  I question the utmost limits of the things I listed above and 
thereby have a better idea of where I stand.  Were I to ask if it will run, or 
if it will go 45 mph, then the answers I would get would be yes and yes and it 
won't tell me that it runs some of the time with a little maintenance or that 
it goes 45 but not 46...you get the point.  I only want to have a crystal 
clear picture of what I'm getting myself into.  Besides, NOBODY can fix a 
toyota land cruiser, except yourself if you've had it all your life and you 
don't get near the support for those things.  I know, we've had 2 and both are 
rotting away somewhere because when they break, you got a bunch of trouble.

Anyway, I'm through ranting and raving...

Taylor

-- 
     One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
     One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
     In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie. 
<->                  C. Taylor Sutherland, III               <->
<->      IRC Nick:  NIV       <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->

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From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland, III)
Subject: throttle
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 15:50:08 

So which IIa's have a normal foot pedal and which have the hand throttle.  Or 
am I missing something major here, in that they both have a normal pedal but 
some of them have an extra hand throttle?

Taylor...still a neophyte

-- 
     One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
     One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
     In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie. 
<->                  C. Taylor Sutherland, III               <->
<->      IRC Nick:  NIV       <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:55:58 -0500
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Ideals...To Rover or not to Rover

Taylor writes:

>Power:  I have a 2.8L V6 in my Blazer and it barely will do 60 up a mountain.
>The gearing is such that I can get to 90 if I so desire (most of the time I
>don') but I can drive quite nicely at ~70-72mph.  I have talked to someone who
>has a Rover going 75 on highways so I know it can be done.

>From my experience 75 is pushing it in a 2.25.  65 seems to be my maximum
cruisng speed.  (16" tires, overdrive and Zenith for those tracking these
things.) Maybe my engine isn't as highly tuned as some, but I've only seen
75 twice in my Rover.  Once was the night I picked it up, saw 75 on the
level after having come down a fairly steep downhill, and the second time
was while drafting a semi on my way down to the Mid-Atlantic Rally.
Somewhere between 65 and 70 the steering gets rather vague anyhow, so I
can't say I'm striving for more speed.

Your mileage will probably vary...

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg              Interactive Telecommunications Program
 Technical Administrator                         New York University
                          berg@acf2.nyu.edu
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               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life.
                      I can see it no other way.
                           --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 14:54:24 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: throttle

In message <2035e3ae.109b7-taylors@tia.hubcap.clemson.edu> C. Taylor Sutherland,
III writes:
> So which IIa's have a normal foot pedal and which have the hand throttle.  Or 
> am I missing something major here, in that they both have a normal pedal but 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>      In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie. 
> <->                  C. Taylor Sutherland, III               <->
> <->      IRC Nick:  NIV       <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->

Foolish me I just assumed hand throttles came as standard equipment on all Land 
Rovers in NADA.  I guess they didn't make the transistion to those new fangled 
series III rigs.  It was in my ex '69 88, and is in my IIA Canadian spec 109.

All Land Rovers come with a throttle pedal.  I think they were standard in NADA 
Land Rovers up to but not including those flashy high tech Series III rigs.  
They probably wouldn't fit on that big fancy instrument panel.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: 15 Feb 95 18:36:43 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Misc.

Richard..  A normally aspirated diesel will not induce enough vacuum in the
inlet manifold to power a servo.  LR overcame this by fitting a butterfly valve
over the end of the inlet manifold, this was opened and closed by an additional
link to the accelerator cross shaft so that on over run it closed and created a
vacuum.  A vacuum tank was installed to act as a reservoir. They were not very
efficient.
 I have the parts but unfortunately they are 3000 plus miles away at my home in
England.
  Your best bet is to look out for a belt driven vacuum pump fitted to a small
diesel engine. this will be more efficient. Watch out tho, some of them do not
have a self contained lubrication system. These can easily be adapted to be belt
driven from a double pulley on the front of the engine( as fitted to the 24 volt
versions.

 Just seen the 90 ad for what to drive in an area where you are the food.  How
do poeple keep thier Landies so clean off road ?
  To add to the fuel debate I ran several V8 rangies in the UK, my 85  carb
model averaged 12 miles to the Imp. gall  over the six years that I owned it,
much of this was either short runs by my wife who  had trouble counting to 5 in
the gearbox or towing a 20 foot caravan. My 75 off road competition motor,
driven to events on the road, also averaged 11.5 mpg during my careful ownership
of it, this include the off road trial mileage also.

REgards     Bill Leacock    limey in exile.

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Date: 15 Feb 95 18:36:49 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Cooking

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

From:	WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK, 75473,3572
TO:	l.r.owners, INTERNET:lro@team.net
DATE:	2/14/95 9:50 PM

RE:	Copy of: Cooking

On a serious note, emulating Pete Wilfords cartoon character and  cooking using
a ser 1 /2 front grille  on an open fire is  not recommende. In fact it is
extemely dangerous. The zinc galvanising will burn of and the fumes are
Hazardous to ones health, can't comment about the possibility of zinc poisoning.

  Stephen,  some cracking in the corner of the hole in the hot spots is
acceptable, it is not necessary to replace them  The manual says that up to 8mm
( 5/16" ) long cracks from the pening can be ignored !!

   Regards    Bill  Leacock     Limey in exile.

  Remember where you came from, where you are going, and why you created the
mess you got yourself into in the first place.     Richard  Bach ; Illusions.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: ** SPECIAL *** The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 19:27:17 EST

> Why am I doing this ?
> 	I'm getting tired of the same old whinging (in real time) of how
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> 	everything else on four wheels is garbage.
> If you think this would be a better thing, then send a message to 

Bill

I fail to see how this will help.  Perhaps it is intended to wing up
more support from the RR/Disco/D90/D110 crowd?  Sounds to me like more
gas on the fire.

humph,
rd/nigel

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:Special digest and real-time list
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:24:10 +1030 (CST)

 Russ and Nige write:
> Bill
> I fail to see how this will help.  Perhaps it is intended to wing up
> more support from the RR/Disco/D90/D110 crowd?  Sounds to me like more
> gas on the fire.
none
  
Russ (and Nigel) you are missing the point.  I switched to the digest when it
first started, no problem the group was small and we all "knew" each other 
(remember back then ??)  Now with all this flaming going on I *have* to wade
through the lot to read what I want.

Back to "real-time" mode and the big Delete key is there......

Thanks Bill, we'll see how it goes

As I said once before these Series v's Defender/disco/RR  really leave me
out in the cold and feeling unloved...
The series crowd wont have me 'coz I got a gas guzzling V8 and full time 4x4,
the Defender/disco/RR mob wont have me 'coz I got leaf springs and drum
brakes.   

Pppfffttt  a big fat raspberry to the lot of ya..  Stage 1's are THE best
Land-rover's ever made  SO THERE    ( ad smiley's as required)  *(-:

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 23:56:43 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>

Thanks for the info on the spray foam.  I have seen it tried and it 
doesn't really work very well.  It crumbles like popcorn after time but 
the worst problem is that if you inject a little too much into an 
enclosed space it bends the metal outward!  I have seen vehicles with all 
kinds of bulges in the doors etc. from the expanding foam.  It really has 
a lot of push when you inject it.  I had this happen when I put too much 
into the spaces between the window frames and the siding on my house.  
The frames bulged and windows wouldn't open.  I had to cut the stuff 
out!  I think the closed cell neoprene is the answer.  I am going to 
phone a few places and see what can be done.  I have done all the doors 
and walls with the snowmobile nugahyde (black) with upholstery screws 
(little dish shaped washers under screws) and it looks like showroom.  
The snowmobile stuff doesn't crack or get brittle in cold weather like 
the -40 stuff we sometimes get.  Only thing I need now is the overdrive.  
By the way I have asked Dixon if he thinks we could meet at Manitoulin 
Island this summer.  It is the only way we fellows way out west in Canada 
will ever meet our net friends.  Dave VE4PN

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Subject: welcome
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 21:16:55 -0500

It was great to see Richard Wegner from Quyon on the net today. He has 
one of the nicest Land Rovers around here. A really sweet little white 88 
with hard top and pto winch. It is probably one of the most original 
looking vehciles around the valley.

He uses it to skid timber with and all sorts.

Welcome Richard

rds
Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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