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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:47:48 +0000
Subject: Re: To Lead or Unlead

> might be interested in the latest findings of our ever
> inane politicains and their even more incompetent "scientists".

[ remove info about unleaded petrol ]

(BTW: Unleaded contains benzine, causing leukimia. Leaded contains lead,
which causes brain damage. Diesel, of course, carries the carcenagenic
dust from everything else into your longs & also kills you :)

[ remove Mikes Mad Rant ]

The latest from the English (and I chose the name carefully) government is 
that a *3 year* study by an appointed committee has found that "the rise in 
cars is detrimental to the environment" (Mr Rooth! Stop that laughter!)

The committee proposes (broadly):

1) The price of petrol should be doubled
2) The investment in new roads should be stopped
3) Public transport should be made cheaper, better and more frequent

The government has taken the report and "will respond after a thoughtful
and carefull revue". When asked how soon this response would be, the 
minister said that it would be a "considered and thoughtful response, 
thus not immediately"

Don't you just love 'em.......

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:37:17 +0000
Subject: Famous rover owners

Here is the current list of famous people with Land Rover vehicles (or 
good connections with them)

Please send and additions/corrections to Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk

-------------------------------------------------------------
Elizabeth Windsor (et al) - Range Rovers, dicoveries and Defenders 
(numbers?)
          Queen Elizabeth - A Bronze Green 110 Defender (manual)

John Rhys Davies owns four and he says he couldn't be bothered with the 
new Discos or Range Rovers (they're "devoid of panache").  His fleet 
includes:
a IIa 109 with roof-tent in Kenya, an ex-RAF '88 110, a 109 Luten-body
workshop vehicle with Lincoln arc-welder soon to be a 130" and an
indeterminate 109 with advanced frame cancer (a "project vehicle").  The
latter three are at his residence on the Isle of Mann.

Ross Perot - Several  -- Series IIa's and III's

Kevin Costner - a black 88 (I, II, III, hybrid?)
Sylvester Stallone - 109
Robin Williams - 90 Defender, but used to drive an 88 before Mork 
Oprah Winfre (sp?) - Defender (90/110?)

Sean Connery.  Defender 90 at his estate in Costa Brava, Spain.
                                           Confirmation please?

Anika Rice (UK TV personality) - RR based dune-buggy (UFS 475 Y?). This 
may belong to the TV company though.

Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman - Range Rover LWB
Demi Moore and Bruce Willis - Range Rover LWB
Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid - Range Rover LWB
Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith - Range Rover LWB (Now split up? - who has 
the 'Rover?)
Mel Gibson - Range Rover
Michael Douglas - Range Rover
Jane Fonda - Range Rover
Emilio Estevez - Range Rover
Patrick Swayze - Range Rover
Jack Nicholson - Range Rover
Stefanie Powers - Range Rover
Michael J. Fox - Range Rover
Rod Stewart - Range Rover
Cher - Range Rover
George Michael - Range Rover
Barry Manilow - Range Rover
Michael Jackson - Range Rover
Rosanne Barr-Arnold - Range Rover
Richard Branson - Range Rover
(British Army Officer) Col. Hewitt - Range Rover

Janet Jackson - Dicovery?  (Gift from agent or someone)
Sting - discovery

?Kath from EastEnders (UK)? - Range Rover <-- actually, it was her 
boyfriends.

Robert Wagner - ?

They Want...

Ralph Lauren -- approached LRNA with the concept of a Ralph Lauren RR
Chris Evert -- "Andy's [Mills] the art lover," says Chris.  "I'd rather have a Range Rover
than a $40,000 painting."

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     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: HRH visits The Colonies
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 10:10:41 GMT

Gentlemen,gentlemen,please.Cease this undignified squabbling!
Hearken unto me.You're all due for a bitter disappointment.
The lady in question positively *dislikes* the countryside.
AND drives an Audi coupe.(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?)
I should get 'em seen to,mate.As for Cavalrymen,Roy,I dont
*quite* know how to break this gently,but.....she doesnt like
horses,either.
I'm sorry,chaps,strictly a city type this girl.You *may* just
get a glance if seated in a LSE Range Rover,but dont hold your
breath,you'll burst,like as not.Dont forget her Mother-in Law
and family are keen users of the Solihull product,and they arent
flavour of the month at present,I shouldnt think.
Anyway,we saw her first,and we'd like her returned in good running
order,please.None of this Wild Colonial Boy stuff.Try that on Fergie
instead.She'd beat the lot of you at your own game!
Dont worry about the Cav,Roy.Charles is Royal Navy.His mum owns it
you know:-)Mind you,rumour has it his promotion prospects arent
good at present........
Cheers
Mike Rooth
Pottering around emitting quantities of particulate emissions.
In a word......Soot!

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:48:33 +0000
Subject: Film: The Living Daylights

I watched this film again last weekend -- it has a few Rovers in it:

In the openning scene, there is a 109 crossing the tarmac

the first big chase/fight inolves a series III 88" (35 KA 42, I think)

During the attack on the safe-house, there are a couple of 4-door rage 
rovers

and finally, it looks like a LWB series (II, IIA or III) drives into the 
Russian air base (?)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 04:07:49 -0700
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick)
Subject: burago model

>    Last year I was in France and while in Rouen, I spotted a Range
>Rover model at a model/train shop (the Minitrain Shop).  It is made by
>Burago of Italy at 1/25 scale (@ 9 in long).
none

I got this model at Hamley's in London just 2 weeks ago. I think it was
=A35.99. They have lots of other great Land-rover toys in that shop. If
anyone is looking for a particular model, that might still be available, I
will have a look. Send any info about the model to me and i will make a
shopping list.

cheers

jimmy

Jimmy Patrick
jimmyp@netcom.com                                 work  0344-382114
jimmyp@rahul.net

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:20:19 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Jon & Di in Pittsburgh

Mike Rooth writes:

(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?) I should get 'em seen to,mate.
none

Sorry Jon.  I should have clarified.  ...without the dorky hair AND ears.

(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?) I should get 'em seen to,mate.
As for Cavalrymen,Roy,I dont *quite* know how to break this gently,but.....she 
doesnt like horses,either.
(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?) I should get 'em seen to,mate.

How very unroyalty like of her.  She could have learned something from 
Cathrine the Great.

(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?) I should get 'em seen to,mate.
None of this Wild Colonial Boy stuff.Try that on Fergie
instead.  She'd beat the lot of you at your own game!
(Are Jon's ears *really* like that?) I should get 'em seen to,mate.

Even Steve Denis???

More Baloney from Maloney

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:35:32 -0400
Subject: OHV Parks and Trips

Morgan Hanniford:

Toss my hat into the ring for a springtime northern california Landrover
gaggle. We're located in Angels Camp, Ca. out in the Sierra foothills.... a
Mendicino trip would be very close by. Keep us nor-cal netters posted.

Eric Cope................. '64 SWB Regular w/ 2 1/4 petrol
                                '67 LWB StationWagon w/ NADA 6-cyl

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:46:44 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Intro with Anecdote(s)

     All,
     
     My name is Hank Lapa, new to this list as of yesterday, living in 
     Maryland and working in Virginia.  I have owned a 1960 Series II (not 
     IIA) 109", 2.25 petrol, LHD, Station Wagon Deluxe for about seven 
     years, ever since finding it derelict and undrivable in a bad part of 
     town, in Jacksonville, Florida.
     
     Originally, this car was owned by the Sheriff of Duval County, 
     Florida, who apparently had organized a 4WD posse to chase moonshine 
     runners back to the Georgia border.  After some time, it was bought by 
     a fellow who had in previous years driven them in Viet Nam, where he 
     was under contract building airfields.  His sons drove the old gal 
     pretty hard, until it would drive no more, and then she sat for God 
     knows how long (though still registered) with the evidence of frequent 
     brake fluid (wrong stuff no doubt) refills showing in the olive drab 
     paint covering the original poppy red.  (The Sheriff had changed the 
     color.)  
     
     The prior owner towed it for me to the sleepy little town of Green 
     Cove Springs, Florida, where a fellow supposedly had Land-Rover 
     mechanical experience.  As it turns out, the gent rebuilding my brakes 
     and accomplishing other basic necessities used to run 'shine from 
     Georgia down into Florida.  Perhaps he'd seen the headlights of this 
     same car many years prior!
     
     Anyway, up here in the DC area, a place that does sandblasting and 
     powder-coating for me told me a few years back that they had a L-R 
     frame in for treatment, the vehicle being done up for none other than 
     one Billy Joel.  I heard that he didn't keep it for long; but some 
     might argue that if you're not man enough to keep Christy Brinkley, 
     you shouldn't be driving a Land-Rover (no offense indeed to the many 
     very fine ladies of fortitude who also own and drive the legend.)
     
     My beast wears "Historic" Maryland tags, "XH558," in honor of the 
     world's last airworthy (until last year) Vulcan bomber, which also 
     came off the line in 1960, for delivery to the RAF.
     
     That's it for now, and I'll endeavour to keep future postings light, 
     interesting, pertinent, and shorter than this note.
     
     Don't Wander, Rove PURPOSEFULLY!
     With best regards,
     Hank
                * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:27:17 +200
Subject: Hi all and a bumper Question

Hello all,

I am from South Africa (PIETERMARITZBURG) and have a S111 1983
LWB SW with a ford 3l V6 engine which i intend using for a trans
africa trip in mid 1995.
At the moment i am learning how to service it, slowly equiping it
with the basic's for off road travel and having lot's of fun
doing things my old golf just could not do!! 

The bumper was cut short (for boating purposes it appears) and i
would like to put a strong, long bumper on in place of this, and
have water transport capacity combined.  There are two ways
mentioned to do this:
1) Buy a 2nd hand bumper, weld a plate behind it, and get it
galvanised; OR
2) Buy a water pipe (150 mm ID) which is galvanised, screw on
ends with taps and just weld on atttachments and bolt that to the
bumper.
               l                                 l
               l  _____________________________  l
               ---  bolt                  bolt---
                    l*l                   l*l
             l-------------------------------------
             --------------------------------------l
              top tap                      bottom tap
* = weld 

Both cost about the same, with the water pipe being stronger and
having more water capacity (30l compared to 18l) much heavier.

The questions i have for the group are:
Has anyone else ever done this either of these two options?
What happens to the front springs with the extra weight?
Does using a water pipe create more problems than it solves, as a
round pipe rather than the more desired flat bumper?
What length is advisable?  I am currently thinking of 1.7M, so
that there is total protection to the LR in the case of an
accident.
For the converted bumper I would use 2mm (as it just has to hold
in water) but with the water pipe what thickness would be
required for the joining metal between bumper and chassis?
With the water pipe would it be better to have screw on ends or
to weld it closed?
Where would be the best place for the taps?  I thought of putting
them near the ends, but if one hits something (especially with
the lower tap) it might not work as well, at the end of the pipe
or actually in the pipe.  In the latter case a screw on end would
not work.   
Of course - is there a third better option I have not thought of?

Any comments, suggestions and advice would be appeciated.

Barry Dudley 
DUDLEY@MICR.UNP.AC.ZA

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Date: 27 Oct 94 11:47:58 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:Fuel consumption

Country: Germany (united and broke)

In Germany, and in Europe in general, the price of fuel *as such* is
quite cheap, actually. Britain even is a major oil exporting country.
The problem in Europe is *taxes-taxes-taxes*. In Germany, taxes (a special
automotive fuel tax + VAT) make up 75% of the price of fuel the consumer
has to pay. The tax also varies according to the type of fuel (leaded,
unleaded, diesel, super/premium), therefore fuel prices at the stations
are totally artificial (or 'political', if you will) and in no way reflect
the real cost of fuel.  Prices can also differ up to 10% regionally, with a
noticeable increase from the nort-west (cheapest) to the south-east
(expensive). The tax is federal and the same everywhere.
The overall average prices are

diesel                    US$ 0.76/litre
unleaded regular (93-95)   "  0.97/litre
unleaded super   (98)      "  1.06/litre
leaded super (99)          "  1.12/litre

Multiply those prices with 3.78 and you4ve got US$ per US gall.
(hold your breath...)
If none other comes to mind, there4s one reason for you to exclaim
4God Bless America4.

Most gas stations have online credit card or eurocheque-card readers
installed by now, as few drivers always carry the amounts of cash needed
for a fill-up! Another reason is security: The average gas station,
at the end of a busy day, would have as much cash in the register as
your local bank teller...  Gas station robberies are on the increase -
no wonder. (The station robs the motorists, the crooks rob the stations,
the government robs'em all)

Always thirsting for petrol,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen

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Date: 27 Oct 94 11:48:37 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:To Lead or Unlead

> the aforementioned politicians and scientists remain *totally*
> UNdamaged,since their is no eveidence that they had a brain in
> the first place.

ROFL !!!

> <snip...snip..>.  They can sort the bloody bottles into clear
> and coloured themselves. ...<snip>

We have three bottle containers standing on a roundabout down the street
(clear, brown and green).  Thursday mornings the 'recycling' van pulls up,
lifts up the clear-glass container and empties the contents into the van's
loadspace.  Next the brown glass container is picked and - crash...shatter -
emptied into the van on top of the clear glass, and then likewise with the
green glass.  Finally, the van drives out to the municipal rubbish compound
and dumps the whole lot.

> Now,ladies and gentlemen,it may be told.Unleaded petrol is *bad*
> for you.Apparently the connection between brain damage and lead

Watch out, the next step will be a tax increase on the unleaded to raise
its price level, on grounds of 'taxing the environmentally harmful'.
A similiar trick was pulled by the german government three years ago
with _diesel_ in this case. To encourage consumers to buy (new) environment-
friendly cars, fuel taxes were adjusted (upwards) to reflect the respective
harmfulness for the environment: Leaded - very bad, highly taxed; unleaded,
not-so-bad, much less taxed; diesel - excellent! non-toxic emissions, and
only very little tax.  In addition, new cars meeting certain low-emission
requirements were granted a 2-year exemption from vehicle registration tax,
and new diesels *automatically* fell into that category.  It is, of course,
*pure coincidence* that the very same year Mercedes had launched a new big
diesel sedan, and that the emission values of that model matched the new tax
law's requirements precisely to the second decimal digit (honi soit qui mal y
pense).  What followed was, obviously, a big run for diesels.  Barely three
years later, when private diesels made out a hefty 30% of all cars registered,
the government suddenly came up with a brand-new expertise, blasting diesel
emissions as the worst thing next to agent orange and mustard-gas, and a
major cause of respiratory diseases and cancer. The vehicle tax on private
(i.e. non-truck) diesels was subsequently *trippled* because obviously,
people driving such obnoxious cars must be punished! You now have a situation
where, unless you drive more than 30,000 miles a year, it is cheaper in
Germany to maintain a Range Rover V8 than to drive a 90 TDi, inspite of
the forbidding price of petrol and the much higher consumption of the V8.
All this is of course *very* good for the environment...
As far as I figure, "environment" in the mouth of politicians is simply
a synonym for $$$MONEY$$$  (rip-U-off while-U-wait).

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:Fuel consumption
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:09:35 GMT

Stefan points out the German system of instant ripoff.We have
the same thing(I wonder who first dreamed it up.
Some newspaper recently worked out that the price of a gallon
of jungle juice was about 39p a gallon (I think).Fuel tax goes
on that,then VAT at 17.5% on the total,bringing it to over two
quid a gallon.
What amazes me is that the Chancellor of the Exchequer(motto,
Whats Yours is Mine,Whats Mine's my Own),has the collosal
stupidity to put up fuel prices(for environmental reasons,what

else)and *then* to claim the increase is non-inflationery!
>From which we gather that some method has been found,unknown
to the general public,of running trucks,buses,farm machinery,
and diesel locomotives on fresh air.Since,if that were so,
breathing would be taxed at normal VAT rates,we are forced to
conclude that he's just altered the statistics(again) to exclude
transport costs.
If there is a chemical engineer on the list,is it still true that
Petroleum Spirit is the waste product you end up with at the end
of the refining process,ie when everything else has been extracted
from a given quantity of crude oil.'Cos if it *is*,they'd be in one
hell of a mess if we didnt use the stuff wouldnt they?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:03:09 -0600
From: "W. Ray Gibbons" <gibbons@northpole.med.uvm.edu> (by way of
Subject: LR as prosthetic 2ndary sexual characteristic

As posted on the British Car list . . .

Oh, please, TeriAnn, don't throw me to the LR list.  I have enough enemies
on the Volvo list.  When one is in the proper frame of mind, the chassis
has just been greased, and selective deafness has been achieved during
many miles at the wheel, I am sure the difference between a Land Rover and
a Bentley is hardly noticable.

I would like one, but not because it is an ideal highway cruiser.  I am
upfront about it--I would like one as an image builder.  In my mind's
eye...

                 *******************************

Debra Winger fanned herself as she hung the laundry on the line.  As she
pinned up the last of the wash, a dusty, battered Land Rover turned into
the drive.  The throaty roar of its engine echoed from the side of the
barn.  It rattled to a halt, coughed, backfired, and died.  A man emerged.
He was sweaty and none too clean.  Several Kodak instamatics hung from his
ample neck.

As he hobbled nearer, Debra thought, "His body seems soft, pale, wrinkled.
Plump and insistent, even though he must be over 50.  Well over 50!  Look
at him move...like a guernsey...no a holstein...no, no, that's not it,
like a lynx, that's it...a pregnant middle-aged lynx...or maybe a MERCURY
Lynx!"

"I'm Raybert Kingibbons," the stranger intoned, in a voice that could lure
doves from their cote, "may I take off my shirt?  Dusty, battered Land
Rovers don't have air conditioning, and my paramilitary shirt is sticking
to my sagging pects."

Debra struggled to catch her breath.  She couldn't have said whether it
was Kingibbons himself, the charismatic Land Rover, or exactly what, but
she had never felt quite like this before...

   Ray Gibbons  Dept. of Molecular Physiology & Biophysics
                Univ. of Vermont College of Medicine, Burlington, VT
                gibbons@northpole.med.uvm.edu  (802) 656-8910

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 11:54:21 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Picking on Land Rovers

Hi gang, while people are discussing the merrits of various Land Rover toys, and
living fantacies on the land rover mail list, there is a thread going on the 
british car mail list you might find interesting.  

The original question is how usable is a Land Rover on the road and is it suited
for taking long trips.  SO far I'm the only one saying they are usable on long 
trips, and even usable on the road.  The engines are quiet if the exhaust system
is intact.  It's worn gears & noisy tyres that create racket.  Two postings are 
below.  Please feel free to provide your expertiese ;*)

british-cars@autox.team.net

> Kendall Robinson asked about the useability of Land Rovers on the road.
> Well, these guys are the people who parodied the Rolls "God this car's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> I'd definatly drive it everywhere else. I think 10K is a bit steep, unless
> it has been very well maintained/restored.

> I might as well step in, having once driven a Land Rover several
> miles.  Several years ago, I learned that a friend was moving to CA and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> I still think the Rover is nifty, and I'd like to have one, but older ones
> sure aren't suited for long drives on the interstate.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:41:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers

On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> The original question is how usable is a Land Rover on the road and is it suited
> for taking long trips.  SO far I'm the only one saying they are usable on long 
> trips, and even usable on the road.  The engines are quiet if the exhaust system
> is intact.  It's worn gears & noisy tyres that create racket.  Two postings are 
> below.  Please feel free to provide your expertiese ;*)

 Hmmm, well I feel I have a little experience to add to this debate.
 
 Four years ago I drove my 1967 88' (full length canvas, 7.50x16 tyres, 
working overdrive, and good stereo) around the USA. I drove about 15,000 
miles in about 6 weeks. I drove on interstate highways (keeping up with 
the main bit of traffic, although not racing the hot rods) and on back 
roads and on no roads at all.
 The truck held up quite well, I was comfortable (except for a blizzard 
in Montana when I didn't have my Canvas on tightly enough), and I really 
enjoyed the trip. So did my dog.
 
 Sure, sure, so that was a vacation and vacations are not a fair 
comparison to everyday, real life driving.
 
 When I came home to Vermont I took a job driving all around the west 
side of the state. I averaged 200 miles a day, 4-5 days a week and I did 
this job for nearly 4 years driving my Land Rover on Intersate highways, 
back roads, and no roads at all. Whenever Federales or University bigwigs 
came to visit our programs they were sent out on the road with me, in the 
Land Rover, to see the state. I never received any complaints about the ride.
(they were probably terrified speechless and unable to voice a complaint...).
 
 Certainly Land Rovers are not for everyone. If you want to be buffered 
and insulated from the world; if you want to be totally unaware of what 
you are driving or even that you are driving; if you want to feel like 
you are at home on the couch watching a video of the world go by....
      ...then buy a car.
 
 i've been driving a land rover for over 15 years and i like the damn 
things a lot.
 
 jan
 

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:18:56 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Picking on Rovers

Jan,          RIGHT ON!

But blizzards are not normal weather in Montana.
We still don't have snow down below and not much
up in the mountains.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - 

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:08:30 GMT-0930
Subject:       DISCOVERY CUBBY BOX

Why would anyone buy a cuby box? The spot it occupies is perfect for 
mounting a C.B. or UHF radio for communications between club 
vehicles. I also mount the remote head for my HF radio there. Running 
the cables is very easy to that point.
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL TRIP
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT)

So,  it looks as though a spring dirt fest is being tossed around
as a No.Cal. netters get together.  Mendocino National Forest seems
to be an ideal area; lots of rural to semi-rural camping areas.
So far we have interest from:  Granville, Terry-Ann, Eric Cope and
me (Morgan H.).  I'm sure other extended bay area folks will be 
interested, even the "e-mail challenged".

Looking at my handy-dandy Mendo-Nat-Forest map it looks as though,
depending of the weather, many campground/day use/OHV use areas are
open around March-April.  My experience up there, I used to work in
Covelo (don't be sorry), is that many dirt roads are shut down 
during winter to prevent erosion/people getting stuck.  Also,
considering the current state of Granville's and Terry-Ann's Land-Rovers
we don't want big fix-it jobs to be rushed.

How about we shoot for March 1995.  This will give time to tell people
not on the net, get trucks in tip-top shape, and maybe make some
reservations depending on how many vehicles are interested.  Something
like a weekend would be nice (i.e. meet on Friday night/Sat. morning at
a campground; drive around Saturday;  tell tales and top up the 90wt.
Saturday night; drive more Sunday; then drive home).  CB's could be used
so vehicles could locate the party at any time over the weekend.
We can pick the actual date later on depending on individual schedules.

I'm excited already!  A nice change from parking the truck on the lawn
at a British car meet. 

Give an e-mail if your interested-

Morgan Hannaford
U.C. Berzerkeley
'69 88"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hi all and a bumper Question

Barry...
Can't say that I ever heard of using the front bumper as a water container
but it sounds like a neet idea - it certainly is "roveresque"!
A lot of older trucks with the headlights in the radiator cowl were rigged
to carry jerry cans on top of the bumper, flat up against the front wings.
I'll let you do the weight conversions for 10 gallons vs 30l. As a
comparison, lots of people run Koenig winches up front and it takes two men
and a boy to lift one of those! I don't think the added weight will cause
you any grief.
For the spigots, I would worry about having the lower one out underneath,
near the end of the tube/bumper. More to the middle would probably be safer.
Good luck with it!
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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