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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 05:37:19 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

For your convience (and, for that matter, mine)  I have set-up and
enabled the ARCHIVE  & retrieval options on Majordomo@Chunnel.UK.Stratus.Com

At this time two types of information are available:

(2) The LRO faq, as provided by Dixon.
    (a) The FAQ is available whole (faq.complete)
    (b) The FAQ is also available by chapter (faq#.*)

To access this information, send a message to  Majordomo@Chunnel.UK.Stratus.Com
with the command

	index lro-digest

to display what is available, or

	get lro-digest 940907

to get a particular issue of the digest...

	-- Bill

(PS: I LIED to Majordomo so that he thinks 'lro' exists, but it is just an
     alias to 'lro-digest'.)

Sample output from an 'index lro' command follows:
------- Forwarded Message
>To: caloccia@sw.stratus.com
>From: Majordomo@uk.stratus.com
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>>>> index lro
total 1205
  -rw-r--r--  1 daemon     138918 Sep 19 20:22 faq.complete
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  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      39263 Sep 19 19:44 faq2.basics
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      13076 Sep 19 19:39 faq3.mechanicals
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      17458 Sep 19 19:39 faq4.purchasing
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      20906 Sep 19 19:39 faq5.maintenance
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      20475 Sep 19 19:39 faq6.serial-no
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon       7334 Sep 19 19:38 faq7.bibliography
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon      12014 Sep 19 19:38 faq8.clubs
  -r--r--r--  1 daemon       6289 Sep 19 19:39 faq9.suppliers
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  -rw-r--r--  1 daemon       6140 Sep 19 20:43 940919
>>>> get lro faq8.clubs
List 'lro' file 'faq8.clubs'
is being sent as a separate message.

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 05:08:09 EDT
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Splitting LRO@...

I know this is probably a touchy subject, but...

I was wondering is there was any interest in splitting up the mailing list
along the lines of:

1. LandRover/Defender
2. RangeRover
3. Disco

or

1. LandRover/Defender
2. Rangey/Disco

It's not that I have anything against one or another of these vehicle
groups... it's just that the lro@ volume is high (and I even have all sorts
of automatic sorting software ;) and these vehicles often have quite
divergent issues and (to a lesser degree) cultures.

-jory

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 06:27:52 EDT
Subject: Cleaning Galvanized Trim

Can anyone recommend a good way to clean up my galvanized trim parts? Someone
recommended 5F5, used with a brass brush, has anyone tried this? 
If I paint with the galvanized paint (?) will it chip and need to be painted
once a year? This is my main concern with painting.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: 20 Sep 94 08:39:30 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Dixon:

Currently, I am running NO heater....  Which was fine when I recently lived in
Houston, but in Ohio will be a problem.  Smiths heaters work fine, if you have
the right thermostat and I want to put in a unit original to the unit. I am sure
I'll still need a coat and gloves, but it will get it moderately warm... heck, I
only heat my house to 58 all winter...  

Of course, if I stop responding to notes in January, you'll know my fingers are
frozen solid and I should have gotten a Mansfield or Kodiak heater... ;-)

Interesting to see your review of Br. Invasion... I wish I had been able to get
out there, since Stowe is my hometown.  My dad did make it, though.  He had a
restored (not to original military configuration) '65 Series IIa military that
he uses around the farm.  Unfortunately, it is missing much of its military
equipment thanks to a Hyde-Park, NY-based restorer who stole all the parts in
restoration and never finished the vehicle...  

I believe he said he was parked in Row "Q" and did not realize until after ths
show that the marshall had parked him away from the other Rovers.  He did not
get a chance to see the other Rovers because he was judging other vehicles and
did not get over there, so thanks for the rundown on the Rovers in attendance.  

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 20 Sep 94 09:13:28 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Leslie... sorry we missed you

Leslie:

I talked to my dad last night and he apologises for missing you... he went back
to his Land Rover a couple of times to see if he could spot you, but he had
judging and some friends visiting from out of town so was kind of running around
all day.  You might have run into Chantel, who was with the family visiting him.
I think she might have accidentaly picked up your restorers notebook... was that
you?

Anyway, Pop said he thought he just missed you at one point... he had gone back
to the car and some horses a** was standing around loudly pointing out all the
things that were wrong with it so he didn't want to hang around while this guy
made an a** of himself  (Since he has had Land Rovers since 1957 and knows very
well what is "wrong" with his current Land Rover, he walked off.)

By the way, for those of you out in Land Rover Land... That is one of my pet
peeves.  If you can't say something decent about a fellow enthusiasts' Land
Rover, don't say anything. I know noone on this forum (where all enthusiasts are
treated equal) would be so crass as to do that sort of thing.  But it really
pi**es me off when someone is tearing up a vehicle just to "show off" how much
they think they know about Land Rovers (or Harleys, or Bentleys or other
vehicles I love -- I've seen it among all types of vehicles).  

If you see faults, note them and correct them on your own vehicle... or become a
judge and point things out "officially."  Or introduce yourself to the owner and
strike up a conversation... maybe there are reasons 'why' some things are not
right. (In the case of my dad's 88, the "why" is that a Hyde Park, N.Y. restorer
started the restoration, stole all the military parts and sold them to another
owner, and then screwed up the restoration so badly that my dad had to finish it
himself).    Anyways, I have vented enough on that subject.  

Anyway Leslie, next year, I am going to try and get my Land Rover up to the Br.
Invasion and if you're back on the Cape, maybe we can meet up (or at some other
event...)  

I am looking at making a trip up around Lake Nippigon (sp?) in Ontario next
summer (when I was little I had a childrens book called 'Paddle to the Sea"
which talked about Lake Nippigon and have always wanted to see it myself).  If
anyone out there is interested, I am looking for other Rover enthusiasts who
might want to go.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: New Services Provided by Majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:36:51 -0500 (CDT)

William Caloccia was bold enough to point out...
>For your convience (and, for that matter, mine)  I have set-up and
>enabled the ARCHIVE  & retrieval options on Majordomo@Chunnel.UK.Stratus.Com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>(1) The last month of issues of the LRO-Digest   (titled: yymmdd, 940919, etc.)
>(2) The LRO faq, as provided by Dixon.

   This is great!  FYI, I have about the last 18 months
of LRO mail that I have saved manually.  If you have disk
space and want to do a little renaming, you could suck
'em across and add it to the digest area.

details follow:

ccray@lulu  $ li -al
drwxr-xr-x    2 ftp      system       1024  Sep 06 09:50 .
dr-xr-xr-x    3 ftp      system        512  Nov 18 1993  ..
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system       1193  Nov 18 1993  README
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system      13134  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.10
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system      70071  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.11
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     100547  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.12
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system       1008  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.7
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     117023  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.8
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system      33708  Nov 18 1993  digest.92.9
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     132385  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.1
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     463352  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.10
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     455819  Dec 01 1993  digest.93.11
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     322422  Jan 03 1994  digest.93.12
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     153485  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.2
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     131912  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.3
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     367642  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.4
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     352643  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.5
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     279419  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.6
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     272058  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.7
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     110100  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.8
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     310854  Nov 18 1993  digest.93.9
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     470794  Mar 08 1994  digest.94.2
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     872783  May 05 14:50 digest.94.4
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     855208  Jun 02 10:38 digest.94.5
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system    1091163  Jul 05 16:00 digest.94.6
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system     772171  Aug 05 11:43 digest.94.7
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      system    1291876  Sep 06 09:20 digest.94.8
grand total 17792 blocks

***********************************************************************
** anonymous ftp notes -- note this works, other methods should too. **
** /u/ccray/notes/lrodigests                                         **
***********************************************************************
NOTE:  Digests 92.8 thru 93.10 were collected by Mark Grieshaber and
       shared with me.  Digests 93.10 (late) thru current were
       collected by Ray Harder.
Obtaining LRO digests procedure:
   -- change to the proper directory on the receiving machine.
   -- issue the ftp command -- "ftp lulu.cc.missouri.edu".
   -- at the prompt, the user is anonymous and the password
      is anything, but the convention is the sender's user/node.
   -- have ftp cd to the LRO subdirectory -- "cd pub/lro"
   -- change to the proper directory on the receiving machine (if
      you didn't do it above -- "lcd Mail" (for example).
   -- issue the "mget" ftp command to transfer the files.         
   -- issue the "quit" ftp subcommand.
   -- Use your mailer to browse the files or print them for late
      night enjoyment.
   -- enjoy.
***********************************************************************
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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
         "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Splitting LRO@...

On Tue, 20 Sep 1994, jory bell wrote:

> I know this is probably a touchy subject, but...
> I was wondering is there was any interest in splitting up the mailing list
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> divergent issues and (to a lesser degree) cultures.
> -jory
Hey Jory, 

I hear what you are saying, but what about the people like me who don't 
have one yet but are very interested in getting one (old or new).   I 
watch the list like a hawk for little bits and pieces of info.  I think 
splitting the groups would be counter productive because then a lot of 
people would have to subscribe to two listservs instead of one and the 
mail traffic would then probably just get even higher.  Have you 
considered getting on the Digest mode?

Steve Swiger

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 08:14:05 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Cleaning Galvanized Trim parts

Text item: Text_1

It may not be the best way, but I got decent results using the aluminum 
cleaner available at auto stores (a mild acid) with a brass brush. At 
the very least it gets the main crud and lightens/evens out the color.

On other parts, the brush alone with Simple Green did an acceptable job, 
although some of the crustiest stuff stayed put.

<bk>

======================================================================
"I stayed in the Land Rover, while Jim wrestled the alligator."
                                        -- Marlin Perkins
======================================================================
Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:10:02 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Spark plugs, et als.

I ran with the Bosch platinum for a while, as they were promised to last
four times as long as Champions.  No real problems, but Charlie Haigh from
RN reports a problem from the other end of the temperature spectrum.  He
says they make the engine very hard to start in cold weather.  So if you
live where it gets very hot *or* very cold...don't use 'em.

I have the spy photos of the Pegasus along with a rendering of "Odin."  The
best way to describe Pegasus is that someone took a Range Rover, threw in a
stick of dynamite and the slammed the door.  How else could they get that
nice, inflated look?!?

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 09:44:05 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Pegasus

Thanks -- I agree about the budget -- it's purely an academic inquiry on my part!
part! No doubt the price will be in the stratosphere. 
Anyway, it's good to hear they gave off-road ability at least a passing thought
by reducing the rear overhang. I must say I have scraped mine a few times!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:19:54 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Splitting LRO@...

I am open to any approach you folks want to follow. Personally I enjoy seeing
the stuff pertaining to other models, butnot everyone might.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:53:33 -0500

"R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> writes:

> Currently, I am running NO heater....  Which was fine when I recently lived i
> Houston, but in Ohio will be a problem.  Smiths heaters work fine, if you hav
> the right thermostat and I want to put in a unit original to the unit. I am s
> I'll still need a coat and gloves, but it will get it moderately warm... heck
> only heat my house to 58 all winter...  

        Not in Canada... :-)  Smiths don't really cut it in the winter up
        here.  Kodiaks were generaly standard equipment on Canadian Land
        Rovers and an option in the USA.

> Interesting to see your review of Br. Invasion... I wish I had been able to g
> out there, since Stowe is my hometown.  My dad did make it, though.  He had a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> equipment thanks to a Hyde-Park, NY-based restorer who stole all the parts in
> restoration and never finished the vehicle...  

        Ahhh, so that was your father.  I talked with him briefly when he
        arrived and parked behind the big green beastie (brave of him
        to put such a nicely restored vehicle near something that looks
        like it has been through a few wars).  He mentioned that his LR
        was a military and that there were "problems" with the restoration
        firm and was in litigation of some sort or another.  It was a very
        nice vehicle, to good to ever go off-road.  It was either him, or a
        nicely restored 109 pick-up that came in second place.  (I didn't
        really pay attention to the peoples choice awards knowing that the
        general public would vote for pretty and ignore originality (It
        has been proposed that OVLR give an award next year to the most
        original Land Rover regardless of how pretty the paint is).

> I believe he said he was parked in Row "Q" and did not realize until after th
> show that the marshall had parked him away from the other Rovers.  He did not
> get a chance to see the other Rovers because he was judging other vehicles an
> did not get over there, so thanks for the rundown on the Rovers in attendance

        "Q" was the Land Rover, Defender, Disco, Range Rover area.  (which
        IMHO should be at least two catagories if the Jags can have thirty
        seven thousand catagories for their ware <ahem>)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Leslie... sorry we missed you
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:04:56 -0500

"R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> writes:

> By the way, for those of you out in Land Rover Land... That is one of my pet
> peeves.  If you can't say something decent about a fellow enthusiasts' Land
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> they think they know about Land Rovers (or Harleys, or Bentleys or other
> vehicles I love -- I've seen it among all types of vehicles).  

        I don't recall seeing anyone comment in this fashion with your
        fathers vehicle, but did see poorly done work pointed out on
        others.  (Actually I bet you I can guess who it was, but that
        is inmaterial)  In fact it wasn't readily apparent that the LR was
        a military vehicle and not a "militarised" civilian model.  All
        depends on how you want to judge vertically mounted marker/turn
        lights on the front wing and a military frame for starters.

        I would disagree with your assessment.  There is nothing wrong
        pointing out changes from the spec of a particular Land Rover that
        has been restored.  Many times the owner doesn't know what someone
        else has done.  Sometimes the owner does.  It all depends on how
        the discussion is being conducted.  The discussion pointing
        out things like this are how other people learn about a vehicle.
        I could probably judge TR-8's just because I have been to enough
        shows with TR-8 enthusiasts and listened to them take apart some
        of the cars.  Again, it all depends on the spirit that the discussion
        is coming from.

        I have engaged in these types of discussions with people.  It is a
        kind of trivia contest between people to see how well they know the
        vehicle.  I do not see how I would be showing off my knowledge
        about Land Rovers by engaging in such a discussion with a friend.
        If you want to easedrop, go ahead, but it is not necessarily for
        the benefit of others that such a conversation takes place. I
        believe it is the show-offs that you are pissed off about.

        In some cases these "changes" might actually be valid aspects of
        the vehicle.  It is "differences" like this that enable one to date
        an early Series I down to the month of manufacture.

> If you see faults, note them and correct them on your own vehicle... or becom
> judge and point things out "officially."

        There are no "judges" for Land Rovers at shows like Stowe.  The
        concours at Stowe is pretty silly anyway.  Put a whole bunch of
        different vehicles together and then judge them against each other.
        I might as well take a 90 from the dealership and enter it.  It would
        certainly be "original" and would certainly beat something restored
        unless it to had been stored for twenty years.  If Stowe wants to
        do a concours, they would ask for volunteer judges from the various
        marques clubs to judge the vehicles in that class for originality,
        completeness and all the rest of the things they look for.

> Or introduce yourself to the owner strike up a conversation... maybe there
> are reasons 'why' some things are not right.

        I generally do that, just as I did when I commented to the owner
        of the restored white 1967 109 Station Wagon parked next to me that
        had a Series III front end.  I found it was the amalgamation of
        four different vehicles.  (It was from Chicago and had a GPS system
        on it)  The other thing to bear in mind is that the owner might
        not even know what is right or wrong.  I know a lot of Land ROver
        oweners that would have a tough time identifying, or telling
        apart Series I and III vehicles.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 20 Sep 94 16:11:33 -0600
Subject: ****O I L SEALS****

i need to know if anyone amongst us have the replacement part number for a 
national oil seal for the rear hubs the one between the drive shaft and hub( its 
making a mess behind the backing plate from the leak), and the rear pinion 
seal(this is making a mess all over. as the drive shaft spins the gear oil goes 
a flying) as well as the speedy sleeve. i understand that there is a generic oil 
seal that will work from any local bearing shop . can someone pls tell me what 
the part number may be??

thx in advance
ben hui, vancouver b.c. canada

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:43:46 -0400
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: Series I Landy

Rodney A. Walker asked:

>Are there any people out there who are knowledgeable on the Land Rover
>series. I am considering buying a series I land rover and I want to
>know what to look out for. It has it's original motor, and top. What
>items are hard to obtain, where do they rust etc.
none
I can't begin to advise on what parts may be hard to find in Australia, but
I remember noticing shortly after returning from a trip to Central America
in my Series I in 1971 that my fan belt was beginning to wear.  I tried
every ! dealer listed in my Rover dealers in the US book from San Antonio,
Texas to Portland, Maine. Every parts person I talked to tried to correct
me when I said it was a 107.  "You mean 109, of course."  The fan belt on
the series I is much wider than that on the series II.  Out of desperation,
I went into a truck parts store in Portland, Maine, with my (still intact,
but wearing badly) fan belt in my hand.  The guy at the counter measured
it, went into the back, and returned with a belt that said it was for
something like 1947 - 1949 White trucks and for 1945 - 1948 Towmotors.
(The makes are correct, the years are approximate.)  It was a tight fit
getting it over the pulley, even with the generator pulled in as far as
possible, but it went on and worked fine for years, until I saw the correct
belt in a RN parts book.  If I had lived a little further north in Maine, I
might have gotten the right belt from the dealer in Lewiston.  A couple of
years later, they lent me their Series I workshop manual so I could Xerox
the engine pages.  They also had the correct gasket set in stock.

I guess I should have posted that to the thread about alternate parts, but
I discarded the wrapper with the part number when I bought a correct belt
from RN.

As for rust, mine rusted in all the same places as a series II.  The frame,
the bottoms of the door posts, and the toe boards.  The first and worst
places to be affected by rusting were the attachments of the springs to the
frame.  Of course this vehicle had spent most of its years in New England,
where they dump tons of salt on the roads in the winter.  As some of you
know, the frame has been completely rebuilt and the vehicle is now waiting
for me to come up with enough cash to finish the rebuild.

It is a 107" SW, which reminds me of another posting from some time ago,
which said that the long wheelbase SW's were unique in that they don't have
the bulkhead behind the front seat.  The Series I station wagon does have a
bulkhead behind the front seat.  I don't know what I would do with the
crank handle without it. :-)

Other problem areas that I found:  The Smiths heater is a joke in New
England winters, but the bulkhead and taping plastic sheeting behind the
front seat from bulkhead to roof helped somewhat.  Except for passengers in
the rear.

The floor mounted headlamp dip switch was constantly in the salt spray.
After having it rust apart twice, I ran the wires inside and put a toggle
switch on the dash.  Not pretty, but beats driving on country roads at
night with only the side lamps for illumination.

The screws that hold down the breaker mounting plate in the distributor
would vibrate loose, which would cause bizarre running conditions.  The PO
must have over tightened them and messed up the threads in the distributor
body. I'll find out next summer whether I ever resolved that problem,
unless I put in the engine from my rear-ended Peugeot turbo diesel. (I can
feel the flames already.

This is probably more than you (or anyone else) wanted to know.  Good luck.

Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:19:13 -0400
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: FELLOW LRO IN MAINE

>My wife and I are driving from Fl to Maine for 30days of R&R.We will be
>staying in our house in Winter Harbor.Does anyone know places in Maine to go
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>1962 88 series llA SWB upgraded by Warwick 4X4 to series lll
>1966 109 NADA wagon series llA

1- In Greene, Maine, not too many miles north of Lewiston is William
Vallerand.  I've been gone from Maine for three years, now, but until at
least then, he had a business called Glen Rock Springs.  Bottled and sold
spring water which he delivered with a 109 SW.  He has many other Land
Rovers.  His business is on a farm, and over one of his hills is an amazing
quantity of Land Rovers stashed away as parts supplies for the ones he and
his son(s?) play with and rebuild.  When I last visited him, he had a
series I 86 in one of his barns that he was getting ready to start
rebuilding.  One of his sons was pictured in the RN news letter or the
Aluminum Workhorse a couple of years ago with the Land Rover he was driving
when a moose challenged him for the same piece of highway.  Collisions with
moose (mooses, meese) are almost invariably fatal to the occupants of the
vehicle.  He had to pull the left fender away from the tire to drive home.

2 - In Warren, Maine, find Ted Howard at Howard's garage.  He specializes
in repairing Volvos and Land Rovers.  He has an amazing yard full of Land
Rovers (including mine) and Rover sedans (including the 2000TC that I gave
up on).  He can also put you in touch with other Land Rover people in the
area: Miles Murphy, Trevor Hunter, and others.  The last time I was there
(three years ago, he had my 107 SW, another 107 SW which he had restored,
and a 107 pickup he had found in some field in Maine.

Visit them.  Tell them I say hello.  They love to talk about Land Rovers,
if they have the time.

Steve

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Nige
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 19:38:22 EDT

Dixon writes (in connection with the Stowe event):

Ssssnip

> Russell didn't show & was missing a great time. Steve didn't run
> Bill over in the end, but they did exchange a long conversation
> extending the "famous people" list....

Ladies, gentleman, members of the jury:

Please allow me to plead my case.

Nigel and I had a proper affair to attend this weekend.  A wedding, 
in fact, of a life-long friend (and fellow land rover owner) to one Miss 
Auchincloss, of near-noble fame, held in Newport, Rhode Island, the 
"City by the Sea".  Say you  haven't ever heard the name 
"Auchincloss"?  Neither had I, until I told my parents of a wiser age, 
but if the name "Jackie O" rings a bell then let's just say there's a 
relation-though not direct through blood in this case (the bride's 
grandmother was Jackie's stepmother).  In many ways the wedding 
was reminicent of an infamous event held some thirty-odd years ago, 
with some of the attendees and nearly all of the sites being 
completely identical.  You'll be able to read all about it in the rags, 
I'm sure, as uninvited photographers were about and had to be 
fended off by Rhode Islands finest policemen.

Quite obviously my friend fishes for bigger fish than I; he trolls deep 
ocean waters on gold hooks from Tiffany's elegantly decorated in 
elaborate ornamation, while I remain content on freshwater streams 
tossing 3 weight lines tethered to hand-tied flies of hair and feather 
gathered from my surroundings.  Surely he will land the more 
splendid catch to fit above the livingroom mantle, but I shall hold 
then release numerous 10" brookies in my time, each one equal and 
more in nature's inner and outer beauty to his.  (This is not at all to 
be taken as a slight on my pal's new bride, of course, but my 
philosophy on catching women very closely parallels that on catching 
fish-stay low and quiet, catch what you can, and appreciate it for all 
it's worth.)

So, in recent months past I've found myself in this predicament of 
having to attend this posh event, and as the greasey-nailed 
lackluster country boy that I am, I've struggled to find a way to 
enhance my image amoungst the Newport elite.  Enter Nigel, the 
long-faded-once-tan-then-green-now-silvery, greasey-grimey '60 88 
loaded corner-to-corner with character dents, happily parked beside 
a fresh 110, a Disco, a pair of near-perfect '66 and '67 E type Jags, 
and a pre-War Rolls. Lemme tell ya folks, Nige, the li'l woman and I 
were *stylin'*.

As for celebrities, Brooke Shields, coincidentally the bride's step 
sister was,  along with yours truely, in the wedding party.  Had I 
been a quarter inch taller or just not had me head mowed I'd of had 
the honor of the escorting her down the aisle.  #:(  vs.  *;)   Despite 
her purported vanity, largely absent from the occasion, she was most 
cordial and polite throughout the event and I can verify that she can 
at least-for what it's worth-dance.  Furthermore-and more 
importantly, she did have the good presence of mind to exclaim in 
true faith "I like *this* car", with motions of affection aimed at a 
blushing Nigel whilst the other ladies Ooed and Ahhed over pristine 
Jags.  Maybe Nige isn't such a bad "babe magnet" afterall, but alas, 
she's not my type, nor anywhere near within my price range.

Despite the fun had by both Nige and I, we do regret missing out on 
yet another event at Stowe.  Next time.......

rd/nige

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:08:04 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Bosch Platinum Spark Plugs

> Dear LRO's
>     Just a warning if you are using Bosch Platinum Spark Plugs: if 
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> Saab 900T and once on my 88IIA.  So no more Bosch!
>     Has this happened to anyone else?

What to you think of those split (V) tip spark plugs?  My brother really 
wants a set for his camaro, but 8 * $6 each or so is too much for him (he's 
broker than I am).  On my 4-cyl, that wouldn't be as much ($24).  Do they 
do anything for gas mileage?  Stanley (my brother) was talking to a guy at 
the auto parts store and they agreed that they would increase "performance" 
(a technical term) but I'm not sure if that's what I want.   (better gas 
mileage.)  Thanks in advance...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:08:11 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Please send in letters to Senators re "Desert Protection Act"

I *really* don't want to get into a political or even environmental 
discussion, but I do want to mention that there is support for this bill 
amongst Land Rover owners.

I am *certain* that all Land Rover owners never drive anywhere except on 
established roads and 4wd trails, but Land Rovers are not the only 
off-highway vehicles in the world.  There are plenty of people who just 
want to go where they want to go, and to hell with anyone else who might 
want to enjoy it later.

The fact is that 4wd vehicles *do* do damage to the environment, no matter 
how careful we are.  And those who aren't careful don't just damage; they 
destroy.  I would rather see these lands protected and lose the opportunity 
to visit them via land rover than to be able to visit them after being 
thoroughly mangled by 4-wheelers.  

Of course, there is the possibility of it being built up, but that has 
always been a possibility, *without* it being protected.  Certainly, there 
won't be as much development as there is in Yosemite, as the deserts are 
thoroughly inhospitable for a goodly portion of the year, unlike Yosemite.

In any case, this is indeed a very important and emotional issue, and I 
urge everyone to find out about it and make up their own minds.  I 
personally recommend supporting it, but everyone should decide for 
themselves.  If you want info on supporting it, feel free to contact me and 
I'll put you in touch with the right people. 

P.S.  I don't want to piss anyone off -- just want to present t'other side 
of the coin.  I still want to be friends, even with those who support 
<shudder> republicans.  {8^)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: V8 oil usage revisited.
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:55:56 +0930 (CST)

We had a thread a while back on V8 oil usage.  I've just heard something that
may interest those aflicted with this problem.

New 3.9i Disco using 0.5-0.75 L per 1000Km.  Owner told "normal"  (sound
familiar??)

20,000 + Km  (ie outside warranty)   starts missing under load.
Dx-  Carboned inlet valve  due to faulty valve stem seals

Bill split three ways: 1/3 Rover Aust 1/3 Local dealer and 1/3 owner.

Guess what!  Doesnt use oil any more :-)

Hope this helps someone get it fixed under warranty.

As an aside a TDi Disco has just broken the record for a Trans-Australia
(E-W) crossing  (5571 Km).  3days 18hr compared to 6.5 days.
Broke no speed limits and averaged 27.7 mpg (10.18L/100km)
fuel consumption was 12.93L/100Km for the 512Km Simpson desert crossing
(completed in ~15 Hrs !!)

As John Hong would say "Tdi Tdi Tdi"

**************** Do not read the following until 29/9/94*******************

New Luxury Range Rover launched today  Blah Blah Blah....
More Head room, legroom ,  50% more luggage space  Blah Blah...

3 new engines	2.5 turbo intercooled 6cyl BMW diesel
		4.0 L V8
		4.6 L V8  166Kw 377Nm   (0-100K in 9.3 seconds..  200Kmh+ )

Blah Blah Blah.
New chassis, suspension  blah blah

Revolutionary H-gate system on auto trans  Blah Blah

twin airbags, knee bolsters, side intrusion rails, electronic air suspension,
advanced anti-lock braking, remote anti-theft   all standard  Blah Blah

Burl Walnut and leather interior

Available UK and most of europe Oct 1994.
USA Canada and Japan  early 1995
Australia  Mid-late 1995

***********************************************************************

-- 

  Daryl "I know noothink, I see nooything"  Webb 
  (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble revisited...
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:40:47 -0600 (MDT)

Jeff Berg writes:
 
< After my last letter praising the virtues of Barnes & Noble as a "real"
< bookstore I thought I'd fill you in on something I discovered this past
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< (where I work) but LRW has alluded me until this past weekend.  I thought
< you might be interested, especially if you're seeking a source for LRW.

Thanks for the tip!  B&N just opened a superstore a couple of miles
from my home.  So I checked it out tonight.  Definitely better than
the other chains, but still not up to the class of the better
independents (coffee and CDs notwithstanding).

They have LRW here too, but the cover price ($6) is twice what you'd
be paying if you subscribed.  B&N may be a good source if you need
extra copies of the current issue, or if you only need an occasional
issue.

Myself, I got stuck in the collectibles section:  lots of books on toy
cars:  Corgi, Matchbox, Italian toys, German toys -- lots of Rovers in
all of them.  And the automotive section had the largest selection of
Rover titles I've seen in a general bookstore.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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