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Subject: purchasing  us import rovers from warwick (uk)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:41:12 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Message-ID: <940811133513_71773.3457_FHM59-1@CompuServe.COM>

JIMMY Patick asked about bringing back a LR from the UK. A few months ago I 
brought back a re-done 1962 88 LR that i purchased from Warwick 4x4 in the UK.
If you want all the details contact me ;407-831-4040.
benjamin g. newman.md

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: LULU has a new set of shoes...
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:32:02 -0500 (CDT)

LULU is ready for tall cotton:

WAS:     15" rims with bias, recaps.
IS:      16" rims with 750x16 radials.

WOW, what a difference a day makes.  RIDE, HANDLING
NOISE-LEVEL, GROUND-CLEARANCE, APPEARANCE, STEERING
are all an order of magnitude better.  I would
recommend this conversion to any serious LRO.

So, the rest of the story is:

1. rims bought used in UK for 25-pounds for qty=5.
2. shipped to US via air freight (ok, so this isn't
   the best way, but I wanted to find out how things
   worked).  145-pounds for shipping and packing.
   (but there were other things on the pallat -- say,
   100-pounds for the rims).  Currency conversion applies
   here and also to #1.
3. gas, 1/2 days vacation, $15 customs fees, $15 airport
   handling fee cause I live 120 miles from the airport.
4. Aircraft stripper ($19.95 for a gallon) to take off about
   4 coats of NATO green.
5. About 3 evenings to sand blast them down to bare metal and
   hammer out a few dings.
6. I galvanized them.  Steve (notajeep) said "do it" as I recall.
   And Mark (stl) worried about metal warpage.  I think they
   both were right.  4 turned out great, and the 5th has
   serious wobble. (but it might have been there all along).
   OK, $60 for the galvanizing (at $0.35 per pound) but I had
   some other things in there -- say $45 for the rims. Probably
   should include $20 for gas to the galvanizing place.  The rims
   sure looked fine when they came back.  So-o-o shiny, I thought
   I had aluminum rims. I was tempted to put them on that way for
   effect, but, no.  I knocked down the nubs with a carbide
   bit in an air grinder and put about $10 of etching acid on them
   The acid turned 'em a dull grey.  Still looked good and
   thought about mounting them that way, but no.
7. Masked 'em and painted the front only Limestone white.  Two coats
   of self etching primer plus 3 wet coats of Dupont Centari.  Used
   an eyedropper to get paint into the cracks.  The back and
   inside (where the tube is) is still dull grey.
8. Put a small bead of silicone on the back in the crack.
9. Know a man in the tire business -- He got me 4 Kelly Safari
   750x16LT radial tires (someone on the net said he was happy with
   them) for $98 each and I put radial tubes in 'em for $8.50
   each more.
10.Am afraid to go thru the final math.

Anyway, thats how I did it.  A couple of days ago, there was
an offer for 4 16" rims with tires for $400 (shipping extra)
and that sounds like an interesting offer -- but that's
hindsite.

LULU is now an interstate cruiser and these rims/tires should
take a couple of hours off of the Utah trip.
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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: manifold menus
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:33:49 -0500 (CDT)

OK, we got the "Manifold Destiny" booklet described by
an earlier thread.  It was pretty wimpy, but it did
manage to drive home the cooking technique.  The recipes
in the back gave one a warm feeling that it might work,
but most of them required prep work at home.

So, at the local pub, Jan (thats the wife) and I made
up the following menu that LULU is going to cook for
us on the Utah trip.

The plan is to take about two of the meals from home in the
cooler, wrapped and ready.  Some of the other meals will
be 1) bought in a supermarket on the way, 2) seasoned and
otherwise prepared, and 3) cooked with minimum flair.

LULU's engine compartment got a gunk-down last night --
she sparkles and is cleaner than the house kitchen.

1 lunch cornbeef hash (canned)
        eggs                
        potatoes
        bread               

2 lunch polish sausage      
        onions              
        green peppers       
        buns                

3 lunch chicken pieces      
        rolls               
        onions, carrots     
        frozen peas         

4 lunch hotdogs             
        chili               
        buns                

5 lunch ribs                
        potatoes            
        sauerkraut          

6 lunch bbq pork tenderloin 
        potatoes            
        bread               

7 lunch cornish stuffed hens
        salad from gerbes   
        bread               

8 lunch roast beef          
        carrots, onions,    
        potatoes, bread     

Of course, if this fails to meet expectations, there is
always the truckstop hash-houses that do meet expectations.

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: canvas bags revisited.
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:34:54 -0500 (CDT)

Lots of cool water on the road, thanks to TerriAnne.

   McGukin Hardware
   2525 Arapahoe Ave
   Boulder, CO  80302
   303 443-1822
   303 443-0297 (fax)

Well they didn't get me the larger size (18x15), but they
did deliver yesterday a "1-gallon 10"x10" scottish flax"
waterbag.  Cost was $14.99 with a whopping $9.50 UPS
charge.  It has a nice cork, but the plastic rope is going
to be replaced with a manila rope this afternoon. And, I am
going to fashion up some sort of hook that comes off the
spare tire mount up on the bonnet.

My expectations are for good cooling action in the
western high country.

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: lro-digest
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:50:14 -0400 (EDT)

If such a beast does exist, please sign me up on it.

Thanks

Taylor

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:40:17 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Rover Importation

Ben,

Would it be possible to post the details of your experience with Warwick?  I'm 
very curious as to what you had to go through and what you learned during your 
experience.  Did you get a coil sprung chassis or stock?  What engine did you 
choose?  How do you like it?

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Message-ID: <940811133513_71773.3457_FHM59-1@CompuServe.COM>

JIMMY Patick asked about bringing back a LR from the UK. A few months ago I 
brought back a re-done 1962 88 LR that i purchased from Warwick 4x4 in the UK.
If you want all the details contact me ;407-831-4040.
benjamin g. newman.md

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 10:32:45 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Any word on '95 Discovery?

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Any word on '95 Discovery?

Has anyone heard any information on the '95 Discovery? I'm FINALLY to a
point where I can add myself to the waiting list, but am now wondering
if I should wait just a little more to get a '95 model. I'd like to know:
     1.)  Any new features? Design changes?
     2.)  Cost increase for '95?

Also, for the UK subscribers: Any problems? (Since the Disco's been around
for a while there.)

And for you California subscribers: What is the sales tax for the L.A. area?
Thanks,

   ***   ****   ****      "Some men see things as they are and say why?
  *     *  *   *  *   I see things as they never were and say why not?"
   *   ****   ****
***   * *    *                                        -Robert Frost

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:37:24 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Rover on TV

Just got back from two days of filming segments for the "Archaeology"
series on The Learning Channel, a subset of the Discovery Channel.  The
Rover features prominently in the 'teaser', prologue and epilogue for
*eight* shows, a dozen promos and at least fifteen tags for local cable TV
systems...yours truly even got to be a paid extra in four episodes. The
narrator is John Rhys Davies, owner of four Land Rovers and a consumate
professional in front of the camera...that is until we pulled an on-camera
practical joke on him and the mooned the entire crew.  The premier episode
(Antietam Battlefield) is Sept. 26.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:09:55 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: What is Happening

Thanks to everybody that replied to my test posts.
I was going into serious, as opposed to joke, withdrawl
with no owners net.  Apparentlly Denver had a problem
with the mail server.  No surprise for corp level stuff.

Well I finally got myy engine back from the machine shop.
After having to take up a new head rather than pin the
cracked one, it is all new to include hardened seats on
the exshaust side.  I had the head pressure tested and
magnafluxed.  It is nice.  Hope it preforms as good as it
looks.  It will probably be sometime in Sept before I get
the thing put together and back in the Rover.  If anybody
is interested I have an itemized shop bill that I can
post.  This may give a general idea of what it will cost to
do a rebuild.

Saw the news show last night regarding Woodstock II, I spotted
two Rovers.  The organizer of both Woodstocks was driving
a Series III, but was unable to see if it was an 88 or 109.
Then they shot part of a stand-up at the front fender of a
Range Rover.  It was complete with Rhino bars and all.  Didn't
know that New York had problems with Rhino.  But it might just
be those wild milk cows.  Anybody confirm the need for Rhino
bars in rural New York?

Well one more time the army is trying to send me to Korea.  So
I am hopeful of seeing some UN or at least Brit Rovers while
in country.  As a professional 46Q army photojournalist I will
have my cameras with me just in case an interesting Rover comes
by.  Plus I will be out of artillery range, with a confirmed
return airline ticket.

For those that missed out, I am still collecting names of Rovers
so drop me a note to be included.  Have a bunch but will wait till
I come back from the mystic east before a write up a list.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies and packing for the mysterious orient.  

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From: Jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:43:29 EST
Subject: Transporting a Rover?

Does anyone in NA have any suggestions on a good method to transport a Land
Rover across the continent?  I'll be in Washington State in the next few
months and want to bring back a Rover to Atlanta, but it's one helluva
distance to drive and I don't necessary need a running Rover.  Any
suggestions on the cheapest way of getting one from one coast to the other?
 How would I find out about trucking costs and where would I arrange to
have it picked up and dropped off?

/========/     Sean Murphy, LearnLink Administrator
 !! !! !!      Internet/Telnet: Jules@learnlink.emory.edu
 !! !! !!      Phone: (404)/727-2259
/========/     For information, mail Info@learnlink.emory.edu

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 15:52:43 EST
Subject: Re: What is Happening

Roy writes

> Then they shot part of a stand-up at the front fender of a
> Range Rover.  It was complete with Rhino bars and all. 
> Didn't know that New York had problems with Rhino.  But it
> might just be those wild milk cows.  Anybody confirm the
> need for Rhino bars in rural New York?

Well, if you were driving into a mob of 100,000+ middleage 
hippie throwbacks looking for a good time, wouldn't *you* want 
the full rhino package and flamethrower option?

;-)

Just remember, if *you* can remember the '60's you probably 
weren't at Woodstock...

Lee

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 16:17:31 EST
Subject: Re: Transporting a Rover?

Sean,

I'm just looking into this myself. Grab a copy of Hemmings. In the front under 
services there are a number of shippers listed. My understanding is that if you 
are flexible wrt time, you can piggyback onto another shipment. Prices listed 
start at $800 or so cross country but will vary significantly by carrier, actual
start/end and time of year.

Maybe someone has experience (good/bad) with specific cross country shippers. 
Who should we avoid, who's good. I'm looking into moving a car from Florida 
(panhandle region) to Boston.

YMMV and of course, TIA,

Lee

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 14:16:37 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: What is Happening

In message <9407117766.AA776645563@ccmailin.idcresearch.com>  writes:
none

> Just remember, if *you* can remember the '60's you probably 
> weren't at Woodstock...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> weren't at Woodstock...
> Lee

Your right.  I remember the sixties.  My room mate claims I never left them.  
But I seldom got farther East than the Height in those days

Peace

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 14:57:58 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Transporting a Rover?

Text item: Text_1

>Does anyone in NA have any suggestions on a good method to transport a 
>Land Rover across the continent? 
       
We shipped my wife's car from Texas to Oregon about four years ago at a 
cost of about $900. Look for "automobile transporters and drive-away 
companies" in the yellow pages. A simple process of dropping it off at a 
specified site, they load it on a flat-bed or car carrier, and then let 
you know when it arrives and where to pick it up. 

Brad Krohn

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:34:46 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Re: Rover on TV

Lee writes:
>Can they show that on public TV? ;-)

That bit will be on "TV Bloopers and Practical Jokes".  John Rhys didn't
moon the camera...just us 'behind him' on the set as it were...while the
rest of the crew howled!  John Rhys is quite a character...once started on
the subject of Land Rovers, he wanted to talk for hours!  The art director
had to come in and shoo him along to wardrobe change several times.  Gave
him a ROAV T-shirt and even got him to join the club!

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:15:47 +1100
Subject:       Woodstock/60's/Land Rovers

Dear LRO's,

    My first Land Rover encounter was in 1968 by a friend who owned 
one.  Both of us were attending NAU at Flagstaff, AZ.  He 
convinced me they were the `best 4x4 by far', however, being a 
graduate student, I could not afford a new one.  After seeing the 
film `Dark of the Sun' - which featured and exposed me to Land 
Cruisers, I found out they were affordable at $3,000. vs $3,800. for 
a LR.  That was a sizeable difference back then.  Hence, I purchased 
a new 1969 Land Cruiser.

So what's the Woodstock tie-in??

    During the June of 1969, a bunch of us went hiking into the 
Grand Canyon.  At a rest stop, I pulled out my keys which 
had a can opener on it to have lunch.  Another long haired hiker saw 
that I had a Toyota key on my key ring and asked if I had a Land 
Cruiser.  After confirming my choice of 4x4, he stated that he
always wanted a Land Rover, but could only afford a Land Cruiser.  He 
went to some New York state university - a 3rd year medical student.
    Later, Woodstock happened - and as with most youth then, we did 
not attend.  But, when you view the film `Woodstock' closely, my New 
York med student friend is seen driving a new Land Cruiser offering 
medical help!  If Land Rovers were cheaper then, you would of seen a 
Land Rover in the film!

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

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Subject: manifold destiny again
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 18:11:31 -0500

I went to the library and picked up Manifold Destiny.  Opened the
cover and I could see where someone had erased a sentence once
written in pencil.  "A very poor book," was one reader's
critique.  Undaunted, I read on.  

The first part of the book deals with the practical "how to." 
The latter part consists of the recipes.

What I liked:

The book encourages the reader to try cooking in the engine bay.  

It was humorous at times.

There were detailed instructions how to wrap the food in aluminum
foil.

Common sense rules.

On the last page, "Will someone who can afford a Range Rover
please send us some game recipes?"

What I did not like:

There seems to be a lot of self serving argument about "ready-
made" vs. "ready-bought" food. 

The book contains a lot of what I would call "filler."

Using the "finger test" to see which part of the engine is hot. 
If you touch a part and your finger burns, it's hot.  (Sorta like
putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger to see if it
is loaded).  IMHO If you don't know what part is hot, and you
feel you have to find out, use the back of your hand.

"Manifold Destiny" is light reading.  I will not know if it is a
good book until I try to cook with engine heat.  If you're
thinking of trying cooking while you drive, pick up a copy at
your library.  After all, as the cover says, it is "The one! The
only! Guide to cooking on your car engine!"

       _/ _/ _/      _/      _/     _/ _/ _/
      _/      _/    _/  _/  _/     _/      _/
     _/      _/    _/      _/     _/      _/      Dale Desprey    
    _/ _/ _/   _/ _/      _/ _/  _/ _/ _/  _/     AL045 --------

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Land Rover 90 on CNN
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 22:15:14 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

  As opposed to the usual Land Rover in the background in CNN they actually
mentioned it by name.   I was watching something and the comercial break
hit so I figured that anything is better than commericals and I found this...
The Green Buyer's Guide just came out with a list of cars.  they were judged
on 1)gas mileage
   2)smog emmissions
   3)ozone depletion materials
   4)recyclability
The Land Rover Defender 90 was the worst car that they listed.
OH well, we can't win them all.

-Benjamin Smith
 ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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