From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 06:19:17 1993
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 07:06:30 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
Well, as usual, I've been rather laid-back about filling subscriptions
for the List. Work took me to Tokyo in July (not many rovers there and
I never did make it to a Honda dealer to see a Disco.) Then I stopped
over on Maui before returning to the hundreds of pieces of e-mail
waiting for me...
Then I spent a weekend working on the Pan Mass challenge - working for the
1500+ bicycle riders rasing money for cancer research (they rode 192 miles
in two days, some 800 volunteers helped them do it.)
Then I was off to upstate New York to spend a few days with friends off of
Upper Sagandaga Lake - no tourist stuff - no place to go - just the camp,
the lake, and some human-powered boating...
Then Friday, my boss asked me to hop on a plane to Heathrow, so over here
where there are plenty of Land Rovers I thought I'd finally take a few
moments and update the list.
I still haven't found a copy of the Land Rover Owner magazine on a news
stand, and haven't made it to a shop yet, but looks like I've got a
couple days left and those are both on my list. I did pick up a stack
of familliar and unfamilliar U.K. car mags at the market -- more than
enough to read for a couple weeks.
I also found out that the Rover folks (actually in Longbridge) use Stratus
equipment to keep track of our favorite vehicles through the manufacturing
and distribution process (no chance for a plant trip though :-(
If you know of any good Rover parts suppliers in suburban London - drop
me a note -- I could use to pick up some parts...
Cheers from the U.K. (I arrived Sunday and have been staying in Bracknell,
and working n Hounslow and Lewes [Sunday and through the Monday Holiday here],
though we did manage a side trip to Brighton Beach (Pier) on the pretense of
going to dinner).
--bill wpc@caloccia.net caloccia@Stratus.Com
N R 1 3 2 H "The Best 4x4xFar"
| +--|--| | | '69 Mk.IIa 88"
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 18:57:19 AST
From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca>
Hello.
... After a few years of thinking I took the plung and bought
two. One from the 1950's and the other from the 60s. They did not come with
all the paper. I am in the process of rebuilding one from the ground up.
I would enjoy taking part in a discussion with other owners.
thanks
Sincerely,
David Spencer
a92nca@essex.stfx.ca
From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" <RSROSE@CELIA.CALTECH.EDU>
1957 109 Station Wagon
From: dluckma3@mach1.wlu.ca (david luckman 9209 U)
... I do not personally own a rover but I'm writing on behalf of a friend who
does and wants to get on your list. What is the appropriate way to get this
done?
From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester)
Hello,
I just found this address last week. I live in Overland
Park, Kansas outside Kansas City. I own a 1973 Land Rover
88 red (very important) hardtop that I bought in
Pennsylvania in December (and drove 1000 miles to Kansas -
I'm still sore in places). I have just finished doing an
extensive rebuild to the engine and while I was at it, wire
brushing and painting the front half of the frame and engine
compartment area. I have installed new brakes, master
cylinder, clutch master and slave cylinder, overdrive and
stainless steel exhaust. This is the first Land Rover I
have ever owned but have been around them for years. I have
owned Rover cars as well as numerous other British cars over
the past 18 years -- I definitely recognize most of the
misc. hardware and parts! In fact, there is a local huge
mail order house, Victoria British, that has been a good
source of inexpensive parts despite the fact they do not
specifically carry a Rover line. I like to tell people that
the Land Rover is the only British car built that was over-
engineered, their longevity is a testament to the original
design philosophy behind them.
My next project is to lift off the rear section of the body
from the frame. Does anyone who has done this have any
helpful hints/suggestions? I have some electrolytic
corrosion from the seat belt brackets and other pieces in
that section and want to completely wire brush and paint the
frame.
I'm looking forward to hearing from other Rover owners!
--
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* *
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* Project Manager | understand what you think was *
* (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you *
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From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 09:22:19 1993
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Box Removal
To: Land Rover Owner <lro@transfer.stratus.com>
Cc: David Luckman <dluckma3@mach1.wlu.ca>
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Paul Hester wrote:
> My next project is to lift off the rear section of the body
> from the frame. Does anyone who has done this have any
> helpful hints/suggestions?
You're in luck. I just finished a project like that earlier this
summer. Removing the box off an 88 is fairly simple. However, I was
working on a 69 IIa 88". So if there is any difference between the IIa
and the III is suspect you're driving, (it's a good idea to include the
series) I can't help you much... But anyway these are my suggestions.
On the IIa I was working on the major concern was getting the
electrics squared away. Where the cable harness leaves the frame at the
back right side and goes into the wheel well watch out for chaffing or
wear, because once you have the box off, that's a good time to redo some
wiring. Most if not all of the rear lights should be able to be unplugged
from Lucar bullet connectors found in the box that covers the back of
the right rear tail lights. After you have done the electrics, make sure
the wiring harness running up through the box, the one you just unplugged
remember?, is completely detached from the box, so you don't damage it.
As for removing the box itself, this is simple. Look for bolts that's be
holding the box onto the frame and remove them. >>From my experience all
the bolts are out board, meaning they are on the outside of the frame
members. When I did it, there were about 8 or 10 bolts on the rear
bumper, 4 bolts, 2 per side, near the front of the box, these are kind of
tough, 2 maybe 4, outrigger bolts to be removed. Beyond that I don't
think there was much ese holding it on! We used a pulley to get the box
off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did
repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley
we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh.
Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes
life a little easier, (and lighter!)
Well if you have any questions about my suggestions drop me a line!
Jeff "The Paddler" Kilbreath
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 09:36:39 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1993 11:21:52 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Introduction Hello folks...This is an introduction. Presently I reside on South Side harbour Antigonish County, province of Nova Scotia, Canada. I am the recent owner of two Rovers. After many years of thinking about the pros and cons of developing a new relationship with a Land Rover it happened, in a little cluster of farm houses (moose river) deep in the interier of a sparsly populated county in northern Nova Scotia. I was zipping along past endless miles of trees and river banks when I saw it. Quietly meditating in the parked position at the mouth of a logging road it was looking sadly neglected and in need of a little TLC. So...I geared down and pulled into the first house near by. "Say...do you know who owns that rig down the road?" I was trying hard not sound to excited. The lady who answer the door was on the phone and she said with a slightly hesitant voice..." yes...(pause)...I do know." "Well do they live handy here...?" She replies " My Mother owns them..... I am just talking to her now." This was a new thing for me. It challanged an un-examined personal stero typing of LR owners as men. There are 89 year old grand mothers amoung us. So to cut a long story short....after a few hours of tea, smoked fish, home made bread and fond conversation of her relationship these machines, she agreed to sell the one I spotted plus another parked in the bushes some distance away. Although she gave me two emaculate manuals the title papers where not to be found in her house. So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base. They are collectively a restoration project....which has been slow starting But I am having a great time poking along. Enought for an introduction!!! David Spencer x92nca@essex.stfx.ca P.S. I am dyslexic... so if I write something that is completely incomprehesible please let me know. Not a excuse just a request. D.S.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 12:34:19 1993 Return-Path: <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu> From: thomas r. coron <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu> Subject: intro To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 13:10:09 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello: This is an introductory message. I'm Tom Coron, live in King George,Va. - about 65 miles south of Washington,D.C. I am the proud owner of an unrestored '66' IIA. It has right hand drive - I believe it was orig- inally purchased on the Caribbean Island of St. Thomas. It is light green with a white top, and has a tailgate rather than a rear door. I live back in the woods, about 1/2 mile from the hiway, and use it to get out during our rare snowfalls. I also use it for pulling logs out of the woods, removing small stumps, etc. I have no plns to restore it at present, but would like to stop the rust, etc. and keep it in good working order. I look forward to the information exchange, and have already discovered that I share some other interests with a couple of you: Nova Scotia and whitewater/wilderness paddling.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 14:09:38 1993 Return-Path: <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu> From: thomas r. coron <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu> Subject: intro To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 13:10:09 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello: This is an introductory message. I'm Tom Coron, live in King George,Va. - about 65 miles south of Washington,D.C. I am the proud owner of an unrestored '66' IIA. It has right hand drive - I believe it was orig- inally purchased on the Caribbean Island of St. Thomas. It is light green with a white top, and has a tailgate rather than a rear door. I live back in the woods, about 1/2 mile from the hiway, and use it to get out during our rare snowfalls. I also use it for pulling logs out of the woods, removing small stumps, etc. I have no plns to restore it at present, but would like to stop the rust, etc. and keep it in good working order. I look forward to the information exchange, and have already discovered that I share some other interests with a couple of you: Nova Scotia and whitewater/wilderness paddling.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 08:12:37 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:00:31 -0500
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From: jory@mit.edu
Subject: rover monty saw in boston
i too saw the blue (1973) rover monty saw in cambridge (massachusetts,
usa)... it has something like 30,000 miles on it (i talked to the guy one
day) and is one of the "newest" looking non-restored rovers i've seen. the
only downsides are he had DAP do a bunch of engine/mechanical work on it
during a complete refurbishment (redone engine, new swivels, etc) and that
he wants (i think) $15,000 for the beast... really nice looking though
(quite a different look from even the best rebuild/restoration though...
something undeniably new/original about the whole thing)...
jory
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 11:02:11 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: Land Rover Driving Academy To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (land rover list) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 10:48:00 CDT Saw a picture with caption in the 21 Aug Kansas City Star that looked kind of interesting (though a bit expensive): The picture: Four identical silver Range Rovers with "Tread Lightly" decals on the rear windows, driving single file over a rough path along the edge of a scree slope, average boulder size being about 3 feet or thereabouts. The caption: "A handful of Land Rover owners are being offered the opportunity to participate in the Land Rover Driving Academy in the mountains of Colorado. There are seven one-week sessions, with 14 students at a time, between now and Oct 2. The Academy will be based in Aspen. The cost is $4,500. Information can be obtained by calling 301-731-9040." So, who's signed up? :) Mark
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 11:14:01 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 15:59:36 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: year?? David Spencer wrote: So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base. Nigel, my '60 '88, also has threaded front vent controls.......how much after that were they used, I wonder? The fixed hubs and tailgate were standards for years. What do your tail lenses look like?? Are they more or less hemispherical or are they "cone" shaped? If you just supply us with your VIN number we could tell ya for sure what year they are (it is located in several places.....but the one on the plate that sits on the bulkhead just in front of your two transfer case levers is the easiest one to find/read). How's the salmon fishin' been? rdushin/nige (still sounds just fine......but I do think I'll order some timken bearings, so Bill G-could you get those numbers for me??? thanks much in advance)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 17:58:14 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 22:43:00 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: trainign >There are seven one-week sessions, with 14 students at a time, between now and Oct 2. The Academy will be based in Aspen. The cost is $4,500. Information can be obtained by calling 301-731-9040." So, who's signed up? :) dunno but RN is currently offering a special on their training course(s) (and they are considerably less expensive, but probably somewhat less scenic) than these colorado courses. rd/nige
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 6 09:58:35 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Hello?? To: Land Rover Owner <lro@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could anyone drop me a line through the Newsletter, (by posting to lro) and let me know if they got this. One reply only please... Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 6 14:53:17 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 15:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: No more please.... To: Land Rover Owner <lro@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eeverything is working fine! Thanks to all who responded! Please now disrgard my previous letter! --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:01:52 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Electrics To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:30:32 BST I've had more trouble over the years with *non* Lucas stuff than ever I've had with Uncle Joe's products.Like an 18 month old Citroen that lost a headlamp because the wiring had gone on fire under the bonnet.Let's face it, Murphy was an electrician,if it can go wrong it will.Its just that he has more scope these days,he's branching out into electronics and having a field day! When I first went to look at my Rover,it wouldnt charge.I said I would buy it,but I wanted the charging problem sorted before I collected it,and suggested it looked like dynamo brushes."No no" was the reply,"Ive put new brushes in".On collection the thing was charging,so I took her home.Next day,guess what.Now,being a diesel,I wasnt too worried,after all once it is running,you can rip out the electrics and use them to grow beans up,but it was a little annoying.So a new current voltage regulator seemed to be the best bet.Well, not *new* exactly,ex breakers at the princely sum of two quid.Lo and behold,full charge!For a month.OK,this time a brand NEW CVR.Bingo!For another month.I had now reached the limit of my electrical expertise.My father,however is much more clued up on these matters,so I appealed to him."Take the b----y genny off". "But its got new brushes"."Sod that for a game of soldiers,take the bloody thing off and lets have a look". Well,OK.it probably *did* have new brushes in,but its a fat lot of good putting them in when the commutator a)has a flat on it,and b)is waisted in the middle so it looks like a miniature power station cooling tower.And yet that dynamo was still trying to charge,and had been for two months. I put the armature in the lathe,centred the shaft end,and carefully skimmed the comm.The thing was then undercut using a siutably modifeid hacksaw blade.We found some part worn brushes(never throw anything away)and the dynamo lasted another year,until it started to arc rather more than I thought was seemly.At this point,a recon genny was fitted (ten quid plus VAT,I think) and that is still there. Not,perhaps the Lucas story that was expected,but true nonetheless. I've since had *loads* of electrical trouble,but most of it was/is due to the PO pratting about with it,and the eternal "bad earth" syndrome,which is inevitable with the ridiculous earth return system used these days to save a bit of wire.I can believe that Joe Lucas invented *that*! Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:00 1993
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Subject: Messages!
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 21:55:52 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Hmmm, fifteen plus messages here today! Seems I have been playing
hookey from the list for too long. Presently I have been whiling
away the hours in nearby Almonte seeing if we can completely strip
a 88, replace the frame, rewelding and repairing the new one, and
rebuild the thing to near concours shape in under three weeks of
evening and weekend effort. Add into this supplemtary work on my
109, additional work on another 88, and the droolng at stripping a
further 88 and 109 that recently arrived in a rather decrepit state
and the Almonte abode...
Rgds,
Dixon
'64 Station Wagon (maybe to be safetied this week <ahem>)
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:31 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Lucas Electrics To: Land Rover Owner <lro@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok here's the gist. I love Lucas electrics... Nobody, I mean nobody does electrics like these guys... Anyone else out there who likes Lucas? If so tell me your favourite Lucas story... --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:43 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Box Removal
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:20:46 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
"j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> We used a pulley to get the box
> off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did
> repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley
> we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh.
> Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes
> life a little easier, (and lighter!)
We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all
be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three
sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the
bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person
(having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of
a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very
heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or
toes when moving it about.
BTW, anyone going to the British Invasion in Stowe Vermont on
September 18th? Count on seeing a bunch of Land Rovers from Ottawa
down there. Current count are a SI 88, SI 107, SIIA diesel 88,
SIII 88, and SIIA 109 from Ottawa that I know of. Last year saw
about eight-ten Land Rovers there. The pre-war Bentley owners
nearly went mad when a diesel LR started up and the cloud of smoke
drifted towards them... :-)
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:46 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Box Removal
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:20:46 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
"j.p. kilbreath" <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> We used a pulley to get the box
> off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did
> repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley
> we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh.
> Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes
> life a little easier, (and lighter!)
We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all
be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three
sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the
bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person
(having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of
a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very
heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or
toes when moving it about.
BTW, anyone going to the British Invasion in Stowe Vermont on
September 18th? Count on seeing a bunch of Land Rovers from Ottawa
down there. Current count are a SI 88, SI 107, SIIA diesel 88,
SIII 88, and SIIA 109 from Ottawa that I know of. Last year saw
about eight-ten Land Rovers there. The pre-war Bentley owners
nearly went mad when a diesel LR started up and the cloud of smoke
drifted towards them... :-)
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:03:43 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Introduction From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 21:53:33 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> writes: > So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and > threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail > gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other > is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base.
What are the serial numbers? From there it is easy to tell what
year they are...
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 8 10:55:08 1993 Return-Path: <phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com> From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester) Subject: Re: Lucas Electrics To: paddler@julian.uwo.ca (j.p. kilbreath) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:46:27 CDT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Reply-To: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.05.9309062324.A15932-8100000@julian.uwo.ca>; from "j.p. kilbreath" at Sep 6, 93 11:42 pm > Ok here's the gist. I love Lucas electrics... Nobody, I mean > nobody does electrics like these guys... Anyone else out there who likes > Lucas? If so tell me your favourite Lucas story... > > --Jeff > Jeff, Having owned British cars since I was 17, I have many found memories of Lucas electrical systems. The one story, however, that best sums it all up, happened to a friend of mine. I was living in State College, Pennsylvania at the time...this was about 1977. This friend owned a 1974 Lotus Europa John Player Special, which he had purchased new. He had parked his car downtown on the street to run an errand. When he returned, he discovered his car parked in by a firetruck, the engine compartment lid prided open (fiberglass ya know) and electrical fire fighting foam both filling and spilling out of the engine compartment, and several fireman milling about with huge cutters in hand (volunteer fireman...semi-professionals...they love a good fire and getting to use the "equipement"). They had managed to cut every wire they could before finally being bright enough to cut the battery cable. So my friend, still trying to absorb what has transpired during his absence, is standing there when a passerby walks up to him and asks, "Wow! is that your car?" Pete nods quitely. "Lucas Electrical System?" Pete nods again, thrilled to have met another enthusiast. -- *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* * * * Paul H. Hester | "I know that you believe you * * Project Manager | understand what you think was * * (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you * * FAX 913-599-0750 | realize that what you heard * * Mailstop: KSLEN | is not what was meant." * * * *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com *************
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 15:47:05 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Box Removal To: dixon kenner <dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <BTLH0B1w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all > be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three > sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the > bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person > (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of > a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very > heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or > toes when moving it about. Well I don't know how they do it Nepean, Ont, but I do know, from personal experience that although hanging the box on the same setup as is used for hanging the roof is a good idea, DO mark the lowest points on the hanging box! Many physical insults were dished out during the few weeks the box was hanging on the ceiling...So beware.... --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 15:55:47 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Electrics To: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309071030.AA03747@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1993, Mike Rooth wrote: > I've had more trouble over the years with *non* Lucas stuff than > ever I've had with Uncle Joe's products.Like an 18 month old Citroen > that lost a headlamp because the wiring had gone on fire under the > bonnet.Let's face it, Murphy was an electrician,if it can go wrong it > will. As a theatre technican, and aspiring Lighting Designer, I can relate to what you're saying!! > Not,perhaps the Lucas story that was expected,but true nonetheless. > I've since had *loads* of electrical trouble,but most of it was/is > due to the PO pratting about with it,and the eternal "bad earth" > syndrome,which is inevitable with the ridiculous earth return system > used these days to save a bit of wire.I can believe that Joe Lucas > invented *that*! > > Cheers > Mike Rooth Hey. Careful what you say... I happen to *like* the Earth return system that Lucas on Negative earth vehicles.. As to a Positve earth L/R I would know what to do with one if I got my hands on one...The theory and even the practice is simple enough, but you have to ask yourself, WHY?!!
From the London on the other side of the pond, Jeff Kilbreath London, Ont, Can
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 16:14:36 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Box Removal To: dixon kenner <dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <BTLH0B1w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all > be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three > sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the > bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person > (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of > a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very > heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or > toes when moving it about. Well I don't know how they do it Nepean, Ont, but I do know, from personal experience that although hanging the box on the same setup as is used for hanging the roof is a good idea, DO mark the lowest points on the hanging box! Many physical insults were dished out during the few weeks the box was hanging on the ceiling...So beware.... --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 10 10:57:04 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Electrics To: paddler@julian.uwo.ca (The Paddler) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 16:42:12 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.05.9309101048.B15466-a100000@julian.uwo.ca>; from "The Paddler" at Sep 10, 93 10:47 am Jeff I'm driving a '70 88" 11A Diesel.This does away with the ignition electrics,and all the ills that go therewith,but means you need a huge battery to swing it.I suppose I should make the change from generator to alternator really,but alternators have rudimentary electronics included,and I dislike that even more than I dislike electrics. As for combating salt,the only way I have found to minimise the effect is hosing down regularly (which I assume is not on in a Canadian winter) and splurging Waxoyl all over underneath.Doesnt cure the problem completely,but seems to keep it within manageable proportions.I tend to get more trouble these days with old and brittle wiring than anything else,plus of course PO modifcations! Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 10 11:47:36 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:31:41 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, paddler@julian.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Box Removal Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Changing the subect a tad... I'm looking for a good condition power brake pedel & booster assembly for a late series IIA or series III. Anyone got one they would like to part with?? TeriAnn twakeman@apple.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 08:55:58 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:33:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Rebuild To: ROY CALDWELL <rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com> Cc: Land Rover Owner <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: <9309101327.AA03833@mtnoca.helena_noc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, ROY CALDWELL wrote: > I am about to start the serious effort of sticking a new frame under > my 62. The new bushing are in the frame and the road springs. New > shackle plates, bolts, engine, trans mounts and any other parts for > the road springs are ready. I even have a new main harness to go in > the frame. For a long time I have considered how to do the dismantel > and assembly. It seems that you have done much of what I am contemplating > so any suggestions? Roy. I've thought a litte bit about your new task and let me tell you I don't think there is any easy way to go about it! The best thing I could suggest is work systematicly. Get the axels on the springs next... It'll be helpful if the whole assembly will roll.. After that I'd do the brake lines that lay along the frame and also the electics that run along the frame..After that I would drop the engine and transmission/transfer box in after seperating the two... I think the major pain in the butt will be the firewall. Keep what you can on the fire wall, electrics, brake cylider, etc, and that will help in the transfer... Of course taking the firewall off the old frame will require to dismantle the front body panels
somewhat, so that's a goodK time to work and paint them... From there I don't think there is too much of a protocol to follow. Just think three steps ahead, now that I have got the brakes lines run I'll take care of the electrics, then I'll...etc. Good luck with this project, it's a good one! If you have any more questions drop me a line... --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 08:59:57 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Electrics To: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309101542.AA02707@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, Mike Rooth wrote: > I'm driving a '70 88" 11A Diesel.This does away with the ignition > electrics,and all the ills that go therewith,but means you need > a huge battery to swing it.I suppose I should make the change > from generator to alternator really,but alternators have rudimentary > electronics included,and I dislike that even more than I dislike electrics. > As for combating salt,the only way I have found to minimise the effect is > hosing down regularly (which I assume is not on in a Canadian winter) > and splurging Waxoyl all over underneath.Doesnt cure the problem > completely,but seems to keep it within manageable proportions.I tend to > get more trouble these days with old and brittle wiring than anything > else,plus of course PO modifcations! Mike. Ah! I love diesels..My first diesel vehicle was a 1987 Toyota Land Crusier SWB. That's when I fell in love with the diesel engine... About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp 12volt alternator...This thing was Huge!! The nice thing was you could pull both 12 and 24 volts off of it... It was a waterproof alternator to boot... If you did that I personally don't think you would have *any* problems with the power requirments what with two 12volt batteries to draw from... --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 19:05:56 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Box Removal
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 10:59:28 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
<car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes:
> I'm looking for a good condition power brake pedel & booster assembly for a
> late series IIA or series III. Anyone got one they would like to part with??
The only boosters I have ever see are in use on vehicles. All of
the scrap vehicles were pre-booster day. Can't help you with this
one unfortunately.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 03:13:20 1993
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Subject: Re: Electrics
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:45:39 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your
> ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a
> 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp
> 12volt alternator...
You sure he fitted it? Those lightweights came from Alberta when
the British Army disposed of a large number of them a couple of
years ago. A number of them were 24 volt vehicles for radio use.
All of the 24 volt lightweights here in Ottawa were fitted that way
by the military.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 03:13:24 1993
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Subject: Re: Rebuild
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:37:43 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, ROY CALDWELL wrote:
>
> > I am about to start the serious effort of sticking a new frame under
> > my 62.
>
> I've thought a litte bit about your new task and let me tell you I
> don't think there is any easy way to go about it!
A friend and I are just finishing exactly this task. I would
suggest taking the whole thing apart (in major sections) for
starters. This will give you the opportunity to replace other
parts that are in need of attention. Bring in the new frame, put
it up on jack stands and apply a few extra coats of paint. Then
move over the axle assemblies, followed by the brakes.
You mention seperating the engine/gearbox. Why? When you take
apart the donor vehicle, you will remove the bulkhead and all the
rest of panels about the engine. You then get new mounts and
transfer the whole unit into the new frame. If you are to break
them apart, you might want to do this on the garage floor only to
replace the clutch and diaphram while you have the opportunity. I
would then bolt them together and drop them in the new frame as one
big piece.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 04:44:00 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: 24 Volt Conversion To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:30:30 BST Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... I do not think there has ever been a 24V wired diesel produced,so it would not be possible to obtain,for instance a 24V starter motor. I recall the problems encountered by some friends of mine who swapped a 2.25 Rover diesel in a 109" for a Nissan,or some such diesel,and *then* disovered that it was a 24V unit.They had to use the 24V for the heater plugs and starter,and then drop to 12V for evrything else.What a mess! They would have been better advised,I think,to go to an ex-military specialist and change the whole thing to 24V.As Dixon says ex-FFR lightwieght. The abiding problem with the 2.25D is the silly series wired heater plugs(lose one,lose the lot),but there is now available a conversion to parallel wiring,and I am hoping to be able to afford to do this in the near future,although I am bound to say that the majority of my problems in the starting field have been with the charging circuit. However,just at present I am forced to follow the "if it aint bust dont fix it"route,there are other,more pressing,problems looming along with a rapidly appraoching MOT test.Or shall I just ignore it this year..... Regards Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 08:51:58 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:40:34 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Road Report I was on the road for week in New England area. Perhaps it is prohibited to post ads but these are some I saw in maine and Mass. Rover 3500 1980 sedan.44k,runs well, looks good. $1500. 773-8896 (Maine) 1962 British Land Rover. Body gd cond,s sets of tires, wht, spoke whls 300/bo Call Ralph aft 6pm (Reading) 617-944-8730 1965 Land Rover SWB 88 5 new all terrain tires, everything works.low milage. runs perf. $2495/bo (pembroke) 617-826-7667 These are work for word if anybody is interested. At this point they are a week old. As for determining the Year of production for the two Lr's I own ... I left the serial No.s at home, so I bring them later. I looked at the chart in the front of the manual and was not sure how to interpert it. It seem likely that one is a 1960 seriesII 88 and other 64 series IIA. I'll bring in the serial number and see what folks have to say. parts are scarce around here, while away...some one adopted one of my dipsticks and the hand brake....very strange. nothing else missing. It seem that with the large number people doing frame restoration that it might be appropriate to spend time to organize and make a bulk whole sale order from a UK co. , if they would give a significant reduction in price. Just a thought. -David S.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 11:20:15 1993
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From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" <RSROSE@celia.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: 24 Volt Conversion
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
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Your post:
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From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66
To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com"
CC:
Subj: 24 Volt Conversion
Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here,
any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25
diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the
engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V
battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that
was the trouble......
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 12:48:07 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Rebuild To: dixon kenner <dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <k2ks0B2w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The reason I mentioned spliting the two is for the fact of serviceing the clutch, diaphram and the release bearing... Might as well as you're there.... --Jeff.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:01:40 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: Electrics To: dixon kenner <dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <seLs0B3w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes: > > > About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your > > ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a > > 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp > > 12volt alternator... > > You sure he fitted it? Those lightweights came from Alberta when > the British Army disposed of a large number of them a couple of > years ago. A number of them were 24 volt vehicles for radio use. > All of the 24 volt lightweights here in Ottawa were fitted that way > by the military. Yes I am absolutly sure... He recivedd thee vehicle and fitted the new equipment on as he got it.. --Jeff.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:35:56 1993
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" <RSROSE@celia.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: 24 Volt Conversion
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
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Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try:
Your post:
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From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66
To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com"
CC:
Subj: 24 Volt Conversion
Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here,
any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25
diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the
engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V
battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that
was the trouble......
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:54:25 1993
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From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" <RSROSE@celia.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re:24 Volt--one more try
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
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Blasted text editor...third time will be the charmer...
Or maybe the problem is at my end. Mike-let me know if
you've gotten the complete script several times-RR
Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try:
THIRD!
Your post:
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From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66
To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com"
CC:
Subj: 24 Volt Conversion
Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here,
any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25
diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the
engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V
battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that
was the trouble......
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 15:19:14 1993
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" <RSROSE@celia.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re:24 Volt--one more try
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
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Blasted text editor...third time will be the charmer...
Or maybe the problem is at my end. Mike-let me know if
you've gotten the complete script several times-RR
Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try:
THIRD!
Your post:
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From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66
To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com"
CC:
Subj: 24 Volt Conversion
Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here,
any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25
diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the
engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V
battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that
was the trouble......
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:19:19 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Rebuild
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:03:05 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> The reason I mentioned spliting the two is for the fact of serviceing the
> clutch, diaphram and the release bearing... Might as well as you're there...
But of course... :-) Though if yours is an early Series IIA or
before, you will not have a release bearing that is easily changed.
Just put the two pieces back together for the reinstallation.
Though more unweildy, it is a lot easier if you put the
engine/gearbox back in together if you can.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:35:19 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Road Report
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 21:57:56 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> writes:
> I was on the road for week in New England area. Perhaps it is
> prohibited to post ads but these are some I saw in maine and
> Mass.
I see no reason to not post ads for Land Rovers here. There have
been people in the past looking for them, so any sources that come
available would be welcome. BTW, I like the prices. Quite
> As for determining the Year of production for the two Lr's I own ...
> I left the serial No.s at home, so I bring them later.
We only need the first three of four digits if it is a Series IIA
or later. What size is the water pump housing? If it is quite
large, it will be a IIA.
> parts are scarce around here, while away...some one adopted one of my
> dipsticks and the hand brake....very strange. nothing else missing.
Parts availability isn't that bad. Parts can be had, it is how
long one is willing to wait, and how much is willing to pay that
determines things. Series I's can have parts problems. Series IIA
really have no problems, albeit there are a few NLA parts, though
none really important.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:35:21 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Electrics
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:05:08 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> writes:
> Yes I am absolutly sure... He recivedd thee vehicle and fitted
> the new equipment on as he got it..
All I can say is interesting. Why did he bother going 24 volt? An
expensive-ish proposition if not really required.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 03:58:13 1993 Return-Path: <rhcaldw@nma> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 02:47:15 MDT From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: test msg test,test,test--I hope.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 06:08:10 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:57:59 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: serial number The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 08:28:36 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:16:23 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: my long lost brother! >The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S. WHAT?? 144001361? that must be my long lost brother! are you a blindsides tailgater too? i bet you look just like me! -Nigel Hamilton (a '60 series II '88, with nice rounded tail lenses and threaded vent controls-#144004308) ps my owner (r.dushin) is not in front of his dusty service manual right now, so someone out there might wanna verify this.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 08:58:03 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 14:43:50 BST My Rover had recently developed a "neck-snapping" pitching motion, which has always been there in a lesser degree,but over the last month or two ahs become so uncomfortable that *something* had to be done.So coincidentally when the tailpipe fell off (yesterday) I also bought two shock absorbers for the front.Since it took me longer than the programmed half hour to fit a new back box(I HATE exhaust systems)I spent a pleasant half hour replacing the shockers as well.The ones that came off were almost rigid.I have never known dampers to fail this way before,it was next to impossible to shove them in and out.Has anyone else known this to happen,or were these heavy duty jobs?The pitching motion is 90% better now,which indicates that similar surgery will be necessary on the rear shockers at an early date. Incidentally,Steve,these were sold to me as standard shock absorbers, and do,in fact,damp in both directions. Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 12:09:42 1993
Return-Path: <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover.
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:54:30 BST
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
In-Reply-To: <9309141343.AA02369@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 14, 93 2:43 pm
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Whoa Mike,
I had to read that message twice; thought for a moment you had
neck-snapping acceleration!!
> My Rover had recently developed a "neck-snapping" pitching motion,
Ahh..
> Incidentally,Steve,these were sold to me as standard shock absorbers,
> and do,in fact,damp in both directions.
Yes, this makes sense really; it must be quite hard to make them damp in one
direction ie you'd need a valve. Goodness only knows what Craddocks had in
mind when they told me only HD ones damped both ways. I wanted HD anyway, so
they didn't need a fake selling job.
Your springs must be quite soft if you get excessive pitching, are they
original?
Best Regards,
Steve.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 06:07:24 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: sgm@hpl.hewlett-packard.co.uk (Steve Methley) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:56:34 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309141654.AA12846@smethley.hpl.hp.com>; from "Steve Methley" at Sep 14, 93 5:54 pm Hi Steve, I *have* got neck-snapping acceleration.0 to 40 in a fortnight is fast,isnt it? The springs are replacements I fitted about four years ago,but whether they are soft or hard remains to be seen,because they werent really entering into the equation at all.The front shockers, (and I suspect the back ones may be the same) were acting as a virtually solid strut between the axle and the chassis.I think that a solid piece of rubber may have had a little more give than the shockers.The net result was that when a front wheel met an uneven surface,the whole front corner of the Land Rover lifted or dropped to meet it,with the inevitable creaks and groans as the chassis tried to flex (a la vintage car).The difference now is amazing.For the first time I feel as though I really *am* driving a ton and a half.Potholes and rocks give rise to a faint "thump" with no vertical chassis movement at all.The well-known Land Rover-on-cross-ply's terrain following tendency is suddenly absent.The ride is smooth but firm without any noise from the chassis or body.I wouldnt have believed replacing shock absorbers would have such a profound effect.The only remaining irregularity is a bit of a vertical "shimmy" at the back,which,come to think of it,probably means that the rear units have failed in the usual way,and arent doing anything at all.So they get done next month. So yours should handle in a vastky different manner,when you replace your dampers.(Or perhaps it already does). Cheers Mike
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 06:27:17 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover.
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:18:11 BST
Cc: sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com
In-Reply-To: <9309151056.AA28910@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 15, 93 11:56 am
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Hi Mike,
it's really nice when you've sorted out something isn't it? I go drive
all the places I did before I solved the problem, just to show myself how much
better it is now (like doing 80mph in the outside lane with the top off when I
did the rocker shafts!!).
Just out of interest, did you fit genuine springs? I'm thinking about getting
some Craddock ones for 50 quid a pair (9 leaf front). (Hope they don't tell me
only heavy duty ones spring both ways!). I'll replace the shocks first tho'
after your tale.
I'm in the slow process of converting my Lightweight back to stock bodywise,
including fitting the original dash and vents back in and refitting the
bulkhead behind the seats. I'm really torn about taking out the roll cage;
really I want it for safety, but it gets in the way so much I can't get seats
in the back. Maybe I'll just take the stays off... (Any strong opinions about
roll cages out there, why don't LR fit them as standard to soft tops?)
Also I must change the colour to LR green like the new 90's. I remember you
and others had some tips on painting, but I didn't save them. Time for the
painting horror stories people.
Best Regards,
Steve. V8 Lightweight.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 07:00:05 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Spring Tale To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:44:03 BST Steve, No,I didnt fit geniune springs,and have always wished that I had. The Rover has a definite list to starboard.I got the springs locally fronts first(when one broke) and then a year or so later rears(when one broke).I asked the guy to identify which side was which when I fetched them,which he did.I cant beleive that he got it wrong *both* times.The answer,or at least the likely answer,surfaced when we were talking about it at work(beats working any day)some months ago. The theory is that the most likely thing is that both sides were made with the same camber.Unfortunately,I didnt place them upside down on a flat surface before I fitted them to ascertain which was which,I just assumed the guy knew what he was talking about.Wrong!Having said that, the firm I dealt with is a small local concern,so if I was going to Craddocks I would probably feel safe enough with their non-gen parts. The other problem was that the bushes in the back ones lasted all of a month.I replaced them with non-gen from Derbyshire Land Rovers,with the same results.The problem turned out to be that the bushes werent concentric,not a problem in itself,but the concentricity wasnt the same at either end.I have on e on my desk now.I replaced with gen bushes over a year ago and they are still there.They were horribly expensive though,a whole 10p more per bush:-) Incidentally,when I asked the local boys about the lean,they said that it is always a problem keeping Land Rovers level,and suggested that my chassis had undergone major surgery,which is utter bullshit. I still deal with the locals,but take their pronouncements with a large barrel full of salt. Cheers Mike
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 08:43:17 1993
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:30:23 EDT
From: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew)
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB
The contract on which I work is being terminated, and I am forced
to sell this outstanding luxury sport utility vehicle.
1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base)
Alpine White Exterior
Tan Connelly Leather Interior
Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim
4.2 Liter V8 Engine
Electronic Fuel Injection
4 Speed Automatic Transmission
Electronically Controlled Air Suspension
Power Steering
Permanent Four Wheel Drive
Four Wheel Disc Brakes
Four Wheel ABS
a/d/s Sound System
Six Speakers + Subwoofer
AM-FM-Cassette Radio
Six Disc CD Changer
Air Conditioning
Heated Front Seats
Heated Windshield
Heated Side Mirrors
Heated Door Locks
Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers
Rear Window Defroster
Headlight Washers
High Intensity Driving Lamps
Halogen Headlamps
Aluminum Body Panels
Front & Rear Mudflaps
Cruise Control
Power Windows
Power Locks
Keyless Entry
Security System
Two-way Power Sunroof
60/40 Folding Rear Seat
Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights
Transferrable Warranty
Accessories:
Carpet Floor Mats
Removable Dog Guard
Price new with accessories over $50,000.
LIKE NEW. Less than 6,500 miles.
Asking $44,500 (Negotiable)
George Mayhew
Phone (216) 977-1158
email g.mayhew@ieee.org
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 09:10:55 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 13:58:49 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs Mike wrote: >I asked the guy to identify which side was which when I fetched them,which he did.I cant beleive that he got it wrong *both* times. When I did Nige's springs (last year) I was only able to get one spring for the fronts and one for the rears (from RN). I realized that stock springs were different in front (but apparently only one was "available") but always thought the rears were identical. My parts guide shows ONLY one part number for each, and can distinctly recall inquiring about them (the fronts, at least) when I placed my order. Also, the ones I got were "clamped" together (with bent pressed steel) and not bolted as the stock ones were. 2 questions: 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and rears? 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares without having to deal with making new "clamps") -rdushin/nige
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:05:16 1993 Return-Path: <bellas@gamma.tti.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 08:52:17 PDT From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Odd looking rover In my daily commute I pass a yard that has a couple of Landies in it. Today I noticed a new one that looked rather odd. For the most part it looks like a 109 but the front is modified to be a large flat plate. The headlamps are mounted at the upper outside edges and there are cutouts for venting and radiator. The bonnet also seems to be extended to cover this differently shaped front end. Is this some optional configuration or did someone just fabricate a new front end (perhaps after a crash )? The place is always closed when I come by so asking the owner is not currently an option. Thanks. -Pete- * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com *
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:05:58 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: springs To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:48:45 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151358.AA69881@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 15, 93 1:58 pm Hmmm...Remember I was talking about RHD stuff here.It may be that LHD (sorry LHStng) vehicles are different.Dont forget *we* all thought that all Land Rovers had 16" wheels,until you proved otherwise.On the premise that the RH springs have a greater free camber to offset the weight of the fuel tank and driver,it may be that if the tank is on the right,and the driver on the left, less compensation is necessary.I *was* under the impression that only the top leaf was replaceable,but,again,I could be wrong.It is certainly advised here that if your top leaf has gone,its only a matter of time until the others go,so replace the whole thing. Certainly the other leaves will be "tired".I've never seen a spring constructed like you describe Nige's,I must admit.I think mine are either bolted or rivetted together,must admit offhand I cant say which.It probably doesnt matter whether the springs are not the same camber or otherwise,provided you dont end up with new springs and a list to one side. I think it might interest us in the UK if someone were to describe a typical (if such a thing exists) export,say S111.Particularly with reference to fuel tank position,control layout,brake and clutch pipe ditto(rumour has it that the latter is a right rat's nest),exhaust run etc.It seems that Rover changed more things than we wot of! Regards Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:14:59 1993 Return-Path: <jory@MIT.EDU> From: jory@mit.edu To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:02:09 EDT for what it's worth: i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for both sides since the different ones didn't do much... -jory
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:20:40 1993 Return-Path: <phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com> From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester) Subject: 16" rims To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:17:32 CDT Reply-To: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com Hello, Anyone have an unused set of 16" rims they would be willing to sell cheap? Paul -- *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* * * * Paul H. Hester | "I know that you believe you * * Project Manager | understand what you think was * * (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you * * FAX 913-599-0750 | realize that what you heard * * Mailstop: KSLEN | is not what was meant." * * * *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com *************
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 12:07:43 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:52:59 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: RE: Long Lost Brother! >WHAT?? 144001361? that must be my long lost brother! are you a >blindsides tailgater too? i bet you look just like me! > -Nigel Hamilton (a '60 series II '88, with nice rounded > tail lenses and threaded vent controls-#144004308) >ps my owner (r.dushin) is not in front of his dusty service manual >right now, so someone out there might wanna verify this. Well...yes likely to be a long lost brother. But as for the rear tail lenses, they are at this piont not original. Of the two I purchased this one is mechanicaly in better shape but it eas used for a while as a logging machine. It has seen some serious off road territory. So perhaps they are faternal twins. Some of the body work won'nt be difficult for my (as grew up working in a black smith shop) but some panel will be replaced instead. I won'nt have a lot of time to do work for a couple of month...but I'd be glad to do a comparison of the equipment as I go along. David S. ps. please excuse the typo's ds.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 12:08:27 1993
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:52:39 -0700
From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>
To: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov, lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB
With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison:
>1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base)
1960 Land Rover 109
> Alpine White Exterior
Mostly Green Exterior
>Tan Connelly Leather Interior
Gray nagrahyde & duct tape interior
>Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim
Trim?
>4.2 Liter V8 Engine
2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine
>Electronic Fuel Injection
Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner
>4 Speed Automatic Transmission
4 speed manual + hi & lo range
>Electronically Controlled Air Suspension
4 leaf springs + 4 shocks - ride controlled by amount of hay carried
>Power Steering
people steering
>Permanent Four Wheel Drive
2 & 4 wheel drive with front hub lockouts
>Four Wheel Disc Brakes
four wheel drum brakes
>Four Wheel ABS
Not enough braking power to skid
>a/d/s Sound System
Squeek, rattle, & wherr sound system
>Six Speakers + Subwoofer
I speak & dog wolfs
>AM-FM-Cassette Radio
i sing a lot
>Six Disc CD Changer
i hum a bit too
>Air Conditioning
Cowel & roof vents
>Heated Front Seats
Kodiak heater vents near front seats
>Heated Windshield
Good defroster
>Heated Side Mirrors
Duel wing mirrors
>Heated Door Locks
doors that lock??
>Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers
individually motored wipers
>Rear Window Defroster
window scraper
>Headlight Washers
bugs on headlamps
>High Intensity Driving Lamps
Lucas driving Lamps
>Halogen Headlamps
Dido
>Aluminum Body Panels
Dido
>Front & Rear Mudflaps
Rear mud flaps
>Cruise Control
hand throttle
>Power Windows
side curtains
>Power Locks
Really? locks?
>Keyless Entry
same here
>Security System
Big dog & mini 14
>Two-way Power Sunroof
removable hard top
>60/40 Folding Rear Seat
folding rear side facing seat
>Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights
under drive train puddles
>Transferrable Warranty
Only work on my own cars
>Accessories:
> Carpet Floor Mats
rubber floor mats
> Removable Dog Guard
Removable Guard Dog
>Price new with accessories over $50,000.
New ???????
>LIKE NEW. Less than 6,500 miles.
Well used 500K + miles
>Asking $44,500 (Negotiable)
I may sell it sometime after I die IUve only had it since 1978
>George Mayhew
TeriAnn ; ^)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:02:21 1993 Return-Path: <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler <paddler@julian.uwo.ca> Subject: Re: 16" rims To: Paul Hester <phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com> Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199309151617.AA04591@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1993, Paul Hester wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone have an unused set of 16" rims they would be willing to sell > cheap? Paul... The words `16"', `rims', `willing' and `cheap' are tough to find in one sentacne! I'm not sure but I think I know someone with two or three they may part with....Let you know.. --Jeff
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:02:51 1993
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:26:23 PDT
From: rsrose@juliet.caltech.edu (RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840)
Subject: repost-hopefully complete this time
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
X-St-Vmsmail-To: IN%"lro@stratus.com"
In regards to: (appologies to those who have gotten the complete
message)
From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66
To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com"
CC:
Subj: 24 Volt Conversion
Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here,
any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25
diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the
engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V
battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that
was the trouble......
Regards
Mike Rooth
***
Mike-
Since you once had two batteries, and may still have the ability to
carry two, I would suggest two 12 volt batts, wired in parallel (as
opposed to the 6's that were wired in series). This will give you
double the capacity of one 12 volt, which comes in handy when cranking
over a diesel--I've found one battery can be sluggish, especially if
you have to crank for any length of time. Also, as the batteries age,
you won't have cranking problems so soon. A single 12 volt battery
that is half through its life is just marginal to crank a diesel
when the weather gets cold. Also, you don't have to buy gigungus
batteries.
Randy
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:15:16 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:00:14 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Rodchester carbs? ...Lots of stuff deleted... > 1960 Land Rover 109 > 2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine > Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner > TeriAnn ; ^) Could you tell me what the i.d. tag number on your carb is some time? ...or describe it in detail. If it would fit my 1960 lr I would be happy. I have started a small collection of older models. The evolution to present day electronic injectors in interesting. What is a Chey 4 banner? Thanks David S.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:20:09 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:07:28 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: log records Is there a log for LRO-L from birth to present? An ftp site? Thanks DS.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 18:17:42 1993 Return-Path: <growl@terminous.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:01:20 PDT From: growl@terminous.eng.sun.com (William L. Grouell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB BRAVO! Good job TeriAnn. Mine is "mostly red" but is other wise much like yours. R bg
> From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 10:04:05 1993 > To: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov, lro@transfer.stratus.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB > Content-Length: 4312 > X-Lines: 94 > > With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison: > > stuff deleted > > >George Mayhew > > TeriAnn ; ^) >
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 18:27:44 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:14:53 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Re: Rodchester carbs? David, A Chey 4 banner is a line with two typos (oppppsss) Should read "a Chevy 4 banger" In the early 60's Chevy took their popular 6 cylinder cast iron engine and made a 4 cylinder version for the economy car versions of Nova & others. Its basically the 6 with 2 less cylinders. I have been told that it fits into the Land Rover bay without any modifications, and even lines up with the stock Land Rover engine mounts. Anyway, this engine came with a Rodchester single barrel carb. It bolts to the stock Land Rover intake manafold, and connects to the stock linkage. Ask your parts dealer for a rodchester carb for a '62 Nova 4 cylinder. You should get the correct part. I think the carbs sell for about $50ish. The Chevy cast iron 4 cyl. engine is still being made in Mexico as a fork lift engine. It is lighter than the Land Rover 4, gets better petrol milage, and has more power. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 19:35:36 1993
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From: daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Odd looking rover
To: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:40:26 CST
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
In-Reply-To: <9309151552.AA03433@gamma.tti.com>; from "Bellas" at Sep 15, 93 8:52 am
Pete Bellas wrote :>
>
> In my daily commute I pass a yard that has a couple of Landies in it. Today
> I noticed a new one that looked rather odd. For the most part it looks like
> a 109 but the front is modified to be a large flat plate. The headlamps are
> mounted at the upper outside edges and there are cutouts for venting and
> radiator. The bonnet also seems to be extended to cover this differently
> shaped front end. Is this some optional configuration or did someone just
> fabricate a new front end (perhaps after a crash )? The place is always
> closed when I come by so asking the owner is not currently an option.
It sounds a little like a sIII V8, except for the cutouts for venting the
radiator. Some V8's had an additional "slot" cut beneath the main grill, it
was offset (to the right??), about 1/2 the length of the radiator and about
3-4 inches high. This "slot" was used in some of the OZ 3.9L diesels for oil
coolers, but I dont know the origin of it. My V8 doesnt have one.
V8 bonnets come all the way forward to the front of the car and have a
distinctive profile, the sides of the bonnet are higher than the central
section but become flush at the front. The bonnet does curve slightly over
the grill, but not much. SIII V8's had a wire mesh grill mounted flush, not
the slotted - forward protruding grill of the 110/defender series. If you
can get close enough look for a key-lock (or provision for it) on the top
part of the radiator surround juts below the bonnet and ofset to the right.
If you can find this its almost certainly a factory job.
Externally the bonnet grill arrangement is the only way to tell a sIII V8,
unless the badges are still on it. (mine fell off years ago)
Lets know what it turns out to be.
--
Daryl Webb (daryl@menzies.su.edu.au)
_-*_|\ SIII V8 county ( 360,000+ K and *nearly* stuffed)
/ \ "Oil leak officer, What oil leak ?"
\_.--._/ Darwin Australia (Kakadu country) "Top end Down-under"
v
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 19:56:13 1993
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From: daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: spring clamps
To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:00:28 CST
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
In-Reply-To: <9309151358.AA69881@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 15, 93 1:58 pm
> Mike wrote:
---- Stuff Deleted----
Also, the ones I got
> were "clamped" together (with bent pressed steel) and not bolted as
> the stock ones were.
I assume you are all refering to the leaf clamps and not the central bolt.
The stock (stamped "ROVER") springs on my sIII are clamped, several of which
are broken :-( , all of which have been "reclamped" on several occasions with
my trusty 32oz engineers hammer.
The springs on my ex '66 sIIa had bolted clamps, these were great until the
side of the clamp chaffed through and the whole thing fell off :-(
-rdushin/nigel hamilton ask 2 questions:
> 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and
> rears?
From factory it seems to vary with vehicle, my sIIa had 4 different springs
but the rears on my sIII are the same. I have not yet found an OZ spring
maker who bothers to "make" springs differently for L or R on rovers, some
insist on setting them differently, but most dont bother.
> 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice
> to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares
> without having to deal with making new "clamps")
No idea, I suspect not unless you got them made that way on special order.
--
Daryl Webb (daryl@menzies.su.edu.au)
_-*_|\ SIII V8 county ( 360,000+ K and *nearly* stuffed)
/ \ "Oil leak officer, What oil leak ?"
\_.--._/ Darwin Australia (Kakadu country) "Top end Down-under"
v
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:20 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: springs To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:42:23 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <gPcy0B4w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>; from "dixon kenner" at Sep 16, 93 12:23 am Dixon, Almost certainly not genuine.If you recall,LRO mag ran a refurbish series on a S111,(most of which has been published in a book called "Land Rover Restoration,Tips & Techniques").I've just looked it up and in the bit where the springs are replaced David Bowyer says "make sure you have the right part number for each corner of the vehicle".Note,*each corner*.So they are either not selling gen parts,or they are not selling the complete *range* of gen springs. Regards Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:23 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Rodchester carbs?
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:12:20 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
<car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes:
> single barrel carb. It bolts to the stock Land Rover intake manafold,
> and connects to the stock linkage.
>
> Ask your parts dealer for a rodchester carb for a '62 Nova 4 cylinder. You
> should get the correct part. I think the carbs sell for about $50ish.
It replaces a Solex without change. If the Land Rover is fitted
with a Zenith you must remove the adapter plate, though you could
sell that adapter plate to someone with a Solex changing to a
Weber. Much mucking about required with the linkages?
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:27 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: springs
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:23:15 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
jory@MIT.EDU writes:
> i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs
> (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally
> specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for
> both sides since the different ones didn't do much...
Are they supplying "genuine" parts here? If so, why do the UK
catalogues make a differentiation between left and right.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:41 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: springs
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:08:35 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) writes:
> 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and
> rears?
My catalogues show that you must specify Passenger or Driver side
when ordering (as well as specifying left or right hand drive).
Thus all four front spring combinations must still be available,
though I don't know offhand whether or not the back differ between
lhd and rhd.
> 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice
> to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares
> without having to deal with making new "clamps")
Not a clue on this one, though the photo in the Merseyside
catalogue implies that they are bolted along with the metal
strapping.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:37 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB To: twakeman@apple.com (Teriann J. Wakeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:31:16 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151652.AA13785@apple.com>; from "Teriann J. Wakeman" at Sep 15, 93 9:52 am I *like* it TeriAnn.Dixon,that has GOT to go in the FAQ somehow. Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:59:00 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: serial number
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 23:59:47 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> writes:
> The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S.
1440 denotes that it is a Series II (1960) Export Stg. model
244 denotes that it is a Series IIA Export stg. model.
Series IIA vehicles do not denote the year in the serial
number unfortunately. The ? I presume corresponds to a letter
that designates several "revisions".
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 05:00:31 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: springs
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:15:37 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> writes:
> less compensation is necessary.I *was* under the impression that
> only the top leaf was replaceable,but,again,I could be wrong.It
> is certainly advised here that if your top leaf has gone,its only
> a matter of time until the others go,so replace the whole thing.
> Certainly the other leaves will be "tired".I've never seen a spring
> constructed like you describe Nige's,I must admit.I think mine are
> either bolted or rivetted together,must admit offhand I cant say
> which.It probably doesnt matter whether the springs are not the
> same camber or otherwise,provided you dont end up with new springs
> and a list to one side.
An interesting modification that we have just carried out on two
Series II swb's to address the tired spring problem (*very* tired
on one) was to remove the rubber bushings, weld in holding plates
and between the axle and frame and then place some coil springs
between the axle and frame. Thus far it looks as if it might be
quite successful.
> I think it might interest us in the UK if someone were to describe
> a typical (if such a thing exists) export,say S111.Particularly with
> reference to fuel tank position,control layout,brake and clutch pipe
> ditto(rumour has it that the latter is a right rat's nest),exhaust
> run etc.It seems that Rover changed more things than we wot of!
Hmmm, kind of tough. I have yet to see a UK spec Land Rover. The
exhaust should be the same, the hydraulics are a bit of a mess as
the pipes go off to the left to the union points and then continue
in a UK fashion. Fuel tank is under the passenger seat (One person
recently ordered a new one. The quality between the new is
certainly not there when compared to the old...), and instruments
are in same order, but moved over to my knowledge. I'll see if I
can dig up a photo or too in LRO of a rhd vehicle interior.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 05:00:28 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:26:11 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
<car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes:
> With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison:
Me too...
> >1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base)
> 1960 Land Rover 109
1964 Land Rover Station Wagon
> > Alpine White Exterior
> Mostly Green Exterior
Mostly green Exterior, galvanised trim
> >Tan Connelly Leather Interior
> Gray nagrahyde & duct tape interior
Ditto, but no duct tape
> >Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim
> Trim?
Green steel and aluminium trim. Black plastic/felt coverings
> >4.2 Liter V8 Engine
> 2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine
2.25l improved in-line 4 cylinder, three main bearing. Better than
Terriann's version. :-)
> >Electronic Fuel Injection
> Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner
Single barrel Weber
> >4 Speed Automatic Transmission
> 4 speed manual + hi & lo range
4 speed manual/high-low range until the overdrive arrives then 16
speed forward, four reverse... :-)
> >Electronically Controlled Air Suspension
> 4 leaf springs + 4 shocks - ride controlled by amount of hay carrie
leaf springs, 11 leaves in the front, 13 in the back. Reputidly
some shocks are there, but you would never know... Springs are
individually matched to corner of vehicle that they appear on
> >Power Steering
> people steering
manual steering (with manual warning *not* to open steering relay
assembly) A very robust system that operates without fluid if
necessary. Steers like a cow, wandering about on the highway.
Probably unsafe to drive at greater than 60mph speeds.
> >Permanent Four Wheel Drive
> 2 & 4 wheel drive with front hub lockouts
Warn hubs on front. Were a dealer option as they came fitted with
out locking hubs. Driving in 4x4 on tarmac not permitted as
gearbox will self destruct.
> >Four Wheel Disc Brakes
> four wheel drum brakes
four wheel drum, two cylinder in rear, four in front (11 inch).
Single resevoir for clutch and brake for ease of filling and
periodic checking.
> >Four Wheel ABS
> Not enough braking power to skid
Ditto, but no braking if immersed in water
> >a/d/s Sound System
> Squeek, rattle, & wherr sound system
Ditto, but add roar of engine denoting engine revolutions. A
safety feature to allow operator to know when to change gears.
Sound system? Whats that?
> >Air Conditioning
> Cowel & roof vents
Plus six sliding windows...
> >Heated Front Seats
> Kodiak heater vents near front seats
Kodiak heater for looks. Next to useless in Canadian winter.
Was an option not generally available in the United States.
> >Heated Windshield
> Good defroster
Ice scrapper.
> >Heated Side Mirrors
> Duel wing mirrors
Dual wing mirrors
> >Heated Door Locks
> doors that lock??
Two unheated door locks. Other four doors are locked from inside
to prevent a mistaken locking of keys inside. Driver's door and
rear door have locks. Keys do not match as additional security
feature (this is original too...)
> >Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers
> individually motored wipers
Seperately controlled front wipers.
> >Rear Window Defroster
> window scraper
Too far away to care. Front defroster works in rear if required.
No sane driver gets within ten cars lengths behind the 109 anyway.
> >Headlight Washers
> bugs on headlamps
Mud, salt, slush, ice, bugs on front depending on season.
> >High Intensity Driving Lamps
> Lucas driving Lamps
Lucas driving lights with safety feature shutting off front "side"
lights to preserve electrical power to system. Further safety
margins preclude the operation of Lucas headlamps with heater motor
at same time.
> >Halogen Headlamps
> Dido
Halogen? Tunsten core, partial vaccuum system.
> >Aluminum Body Panels
> Dido
With galvanised steel trim. Panels are Burmabright, not aluminium.
> >Front & Rear Mudflaps
> Rear mud flaps
No mudflaps. Are an owner added option.
> >Cruise Control
> hand throttle
Hand throttle. Doubles use as engine control for stationary winch
operation.
> >Power Windows
> side curtains
Sliding windows
> >Security System
> Big dog & mini 14
Intellegence test to figure how to start it.
> >Two-way Power Sunroof
> removable hard top
No sunroof. Safari Roof for added cooling.
> >60/40 Folding Rear Seat
> folding rear side facing seat
2 x facing rear seats, one bench rear seat. Seats twelve very
small purchase tax avoiding Anglo-Saxons.
> >Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights
> under drive train puddles
general fluid puddles all round. Interior roof light, some
instrument lights, ten light bulbs on exterior (including headlamps)
> >Transferrable Warranty
> Only work on my own cars
Ditto, though entire vehicle can be dissassembled with basically a
box of spanners and a screw driver.
> >Accessories:
> > Carpet Floor Mats
> rubber floor mats
No floor mats in front. Silt polished floor plates.
Koenig PTO winch
Kodiak heater was an option for Canada
Positive earth, generator/regulator system, cloth coated wires
Discarded carpets from living room in rear
No pollution control, thus giving added power
Frame mounted bumpers
Top speed 52mph, thus no speeding tickets on interstate highways
Dixon... :-)
PS, Granted, the Range Rover in question would be a *really* nice vehicle
to own, and like Terriann's and my vehicle is the best in the world for
the year manufactured.
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 10:21:39 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: sgm@hpl.hewlett-packard.co.uk (Steve Methley) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:07:50 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151118.AA14031@smethley.hpl.hp.com>; from "Steve Methley" at Sep 15, 93 12:18 pm Hi Steve, Do Lightweights use the same springs as us civvy types,or do you have to get separate versions?One thing,whatever type you use, you wont enjoy the job one bit.Tip.When I changed the front springs, the pin that sticks out in the centre to engage the locating hole in the axle casing,had a "sharp" edge,and was the very devil to manouvre into the hole.The rears had a bevelled pin which virtually self-located when within spitting distance.Moral,take a file and bevel the pin.Also, dont do what I did and try to change the springs when its pisitively possing it down.Camel Trophy has nothing on it! Ah painting!Well,youre lucky!ALL army vehicles have paint applied by trowels,painting,squaddies for the use of,one.So you cant make as bad a job of it as they do.Actually,I used ICI Autogloss Synthetic,and a two inch,and half inch brush.I only needed to mask the lights.The galvo'd bits I did with zinc rich paint,which incuded the wire mesh grille.The paint brushed on beautifully,except on the bonnet which was *far* too hot (the temperature was in the eighties that day)and it dried straight off the brush.I chose to brush it rather than borrow spray gear because I'm even worse with a spraygun than a paintbrush.Although I say it myself,I've been pleased with the result,synthetic has a higher gloss than cellulose,and isnt lethal like the two pack stuff.Also the thinners is white spirit.If you want the pukka correct thinners,apparently it is a slightly higher refined white spirit and doesnt cost much more than the B&Q variety.Which I used.I had this information from an ex-coachpainter mate.So why didnt he do it for me?I'm terminally stupid.And its a*very* satisfying job to have done,particularly when people say"Oh you've got a new Land Rover then,lokks a damn sight better than that wreck you were driving last week". To apply the stuff,wash the vehicle(sorry Steve)and then wipe over with a meths soaked rag to degrease.I didnt bother rubbing it down because the paint was rough enough already,but I suppose you ought.I didnt use petrol for obvious reasons,and because mines a diesel.I had a gallon of paint(given) but you wont need more than a quarter,and I did the inside as well.One coat seems to do,and it hasnt come off yet.The colour I used is "Deep Bronze Green",which,I find is different to Bronze Green.Its the colour used on the 90Turbo Diesel that is parked on this campus from time to time.Oh,you need a dry,still,warm day if doing it outside,but you no doubt knew that anyway.Dogs and cats should be firmly locked away. Wives and girlfriends should be despatched until finished.After all you are wasting time with a paintbrush that could be used to *much* more effect inside.Better to present a fait accompli.I was OK,my Rover was such a bloody *awful* mess that my wife was becoming seriously diffident about being seen in it,though still defiant about it.Faint but pursuing,you might say. The whole job took 2-3 hours for the outside,and about the same for the inside,the next day.I left it about an hour to dry,but it *was* a warm day.Then I did the galvo bits,the grille was removed and sprayed grey zinc rich,currently called "cold galvanisation" and the other bits I did by spraying a puddle of paint into a tin out of the aerosol and brushing it on with a half inch brush,which was ditched afterwards(no thinners). Afterwards,just for fun,the nameplates were painted using Humbrol Enamel Brunswick Green background Yellow border and letters using a 50p "artists2 brush. Ah,the grille was removed *before* any painting,obviously. Funny thing was,the old girl seemed to *go* much better aferwards.Who says Land Rovers dont have feelings? Have fun Mike
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 12:18:40 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:03:21 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Please feel free to use it, as long as the typos are cleaned out first. TeriAnn
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To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: springs
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:23:15 EDT."
<gPcy0B4w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:20:26 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs
> (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally
> specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for
> both sides since the different ones didn't do much...
Well, I certainly hope so...
but let's think about that for a minute -- what isn't symmetricall in a rover
which has weight
left right
driver fuel cell
steering box & relay battery
more less everything else of any importance is equal on both sides, or centered...
It doesn't seem to me that there is an over riding reason for different L/R springs,
unless you want to go into the distribution of Torque on the frame and
resisting that twist as it comes to planting the wheels on the ground...
Has anyone gone the route of re-tempering their springs ? I know there are
still a few places that do it (I guess it is regular maintence on the large
dump trucks and stuff like that).
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:40:15 1993
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:18:35 GMT
From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell)
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: clarification
I wrote:
> 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice
> to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares
> without having to deal with making new "clamps")
and caused some confusion. I took another look at my originals and
they are, more or less, what dixon described as being in the Merseyside
catalogue.......the bolt (on the topside of the springs) is actually
through the metal strapping ("U" shaped, around the leaves) and keeps the
leaves together. The replacements (claimed to be genuine Rover parts)
came with metal strapping that was bent on the topside (to keep the leaves
together) and looks to be a pain in the butt to get off......fortunately,
they are new, but who knows what holds for the future.......
rdush
oppppppps......dushin, that is (no jokes, please).
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:46:01 1993
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To: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: painting
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:18:11 BST."
<9309151118.AA14031@smethley.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:35:11 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> Also I must change the colour to LR green like the new 90's. I remember you
> and others had some tips on painting, but I didn't save them.
> Time for the painting horror stories people.
Well, from what I've seen the military folks just use a brush.
:-)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:59:44 1993
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From: rsrose@juliet.caltech.edu (RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840)
Newsgroups: mlist.lro
Subject: Re: springs
Date: 16 Sep 1993 12:49 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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>
>
>Has anyone gone the route of re-tempering their springs ? I know there are
>still a few places that do it (I guess it is regular maintence on the large
>dump trucks and stuff like that).
>
>-- Bill
>
Yea,
Hit and miss. Some go flat in a few months, some last. My experience,
50/50 chance. Try to find a rebuilder someone has used.
Randy Rose
Pasadena, California
(818)395-3840
rsrose@iago.caltech.edu
California Institute of Technology
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 15:09:25 1993
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To: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca>
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Road Report
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:40:34 -0400."
<009727AA.E06BE500.13416@esseX.stfx.ca>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:59:55 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> 1962 British Land Rover. Body gd cond,s sets of tires, wht, spoke whls
> 1965 Land Rover SWB 88 5 new all terrain tires, everything works.low milage.
Hi David,
where abouts did you see these ads ? in papers ?
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 15:55:12 1993
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Subject: Re: another parts supplier
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 93 10:35:56 EDT."
<9308241434.AA07343@easynet.crl.dec.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:41:26 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
Dixon says:
> Bit of Britain
> PO Box 1370
> Dedham MA, 02027
> (6??) 361-6396
> This smells suspiciously of the DAP outfit in the area that Jory had
> so many problem with and that others have warned of. As far as I
> know, there was only one LR-serving-type operation in that area.
> Jory? Teri?
Actually, DAP (Wareham) is down by the Cape, and Dedham is more of a
Boston 'burb off of Rte 1 and 128.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 16:03:36 1993 Return-Path: <gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:31:07 EDT From: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB Thanks TeriAnn and Dixon. Your humor helps ease the pain that selling this Range Rover causes me. But sell it I must. :~( I don't know where it will be in 33 years, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it had travelled over half of a million miles, like TeriAnn's '60 109. It's a fantastic vehicle, and it feels like it will go forever. By the way, Dixon, highway speeding tickets are possible in this one. The advertised top speed is 116 mph. It runs just fine at 70. It's sad to say, but I have never had this vehicle off-road. I'll save that pleasure for the next owner. Even without considering that the '94 County has arrived with a new (higher, of course) sticker price, I think my asking price is very fair. I'll listen to reasonable offers, too. I sure would appreciate it if anyone on the list could help me find a new home for my Range Rover. It's a real deal. No hidden whammies. Just a great vehicle at a fair price. George g.mayhew@ieee.org
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 18:50:39 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 23:37:20 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: but.... Bill wrote: >left right driver fuel cell steering box & relay battery more less everything else of any importance is equal on both sides, or centered. but.....lest we forget the off-center diff housings-I always thought THAT was the REAL reason why they were two different springs. rd
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 03:39:58 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: but.... To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 9:28:10 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309162337.AA52277@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 16, 93 11:37 pm Ah.......but the diff housings are unsprung weight,and therefore dont affect the problem. Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:08:35 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 13:57:51 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: but.but. >Ah.......but the diff housings are unsprung weight,and therefore dont affect the problem. Mike Rooth On my way home last night I rethought my last statement.....this did occur to me, but as I thought more about it (it didn't hurt) I thought that it still might make sense......the springs have to deal with torque exerted in the upwards and downwards directions (granted, the vast majority of it is downwards-ie support of everything above the springs-and in the upwards direction-the "un-sprung" mode, so to speak-the exertion of torque only relaxes the spring, and even then the spring can relax only so far until "full camber" is reached). Given that a spring rests somewhere in between "full camber" and "full compression" it seems reasonable that torque could be exerted in either direction (obviously it can only go so far in the "un-sprung" mode since you've got road-and occasional potholes-beneath you). If one thinks in terms of the springs having some degree of dampening function (let's face it- in Rovers the stiff springs do handle much of the dampening.... unless you've got brand new shocks as Mike does) then the difference in "pendant weight" (I know, I know-the diffs/roadwheels/etc ride on the surface of the road) from right to left might be substantial. Have you ever lifted a diff that was off the springs from the right side and then the left??? There is a big difference. But, then again, if it is true that one must specify rhd vs. lhd when ordering new springs, then this arguement is absolute bs. (no big deal, I've a tarnished reputation on this net anyway.......) rd/nige
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:16:13 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:05:05 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: brit weather Mike- While we are re-hashing old subjects (eg springs, paint, carbs).... a spat of british weather is upon us (NE US) and by gosh, I gotta tell ya, I love this stuff. All summer long we baked in heatwaves (tied a record for number of days over 90 degrees in the NYC area). Now, the frogs, turtles, and trout are happy again, and I've been able to whip out the Barbour for the season. However, I now have to deal with the "dissolving steering wheel" phenomenon, and as I recall you had the ideal solution. Was it steel wool or some magic abrasive dust you used?? rdushin/nigel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:38:05 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover.
To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:25:32 BST
Cc: sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com
In-Reply-To: <9309161507.AA00669@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 16, 93 4:07 pm
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Hi Mike,
thanks for the reply. It has a lot of useful/reassuring info for me!
I'll respond to a couple of the points:
> Do Lightweights use the same springs as us civvy types,or do you
> have to get separate versions?
Standard lightweights all use 7 leaf rears. 12 volt versions use 5 leaf fronts
and 24 volt versions use 7 leaf fronts (as they're much heavier due to 24v
generator and Fitted For Radio pack).
With my V8 conversion tho' it's silly to use anything below 9 leaf fronts - as
the engine is heavier and bigger, the last thing you want to do is hit the
stops off road in case the chassis cracks; if it does the next thing that will
get it is the water pump/timing cover/oil pump assembly - you have to run a
remote oil filter as it is.
Incidentally I've cracked the 3rd or 4th leaf of my RHS front spring. I have
some 11 leaf diesel fronts, and I'm considering either fitting these, which may
make things too hard, or hopefully taking a leaf from one of them and replacing
the broken leaf in the 9 leafer - does ths sound like it would work, anyone
know?
Thanks for your tip on bevelling the pin.
> Ah painting!Well,youre lucky!ALL army vehicles have paint applied by
> trowels,painting,squaddies for the use of,one.So you cant make as bad
> a job of it as they do.
Yes, now I remember you told me this before. I also want to paint deep bronze
green, which is the only colour for an old LR IMHO. Trouble is I have a faded
blue soft top with windows. Gosh, will the colours clash!?
> Actually,I used ICI Autogloss Synthetic
Do I buy this at my local auto store/paintshop or is it something trade or hard
to get a hold of?
> To apply the stuff,wash the vehicle(sorry Steve)..........
Aaarghh!
> Funny thing was,the old girl seemed to *go* much better aferwards.Who says
> Land Rovers dont have feelings?
Wasn't me.
> Have fun
Always do.
Best Regards,
Steve.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 16:45:39 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:29:36 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, u10122@sdsc.edu Subject: Re: but.... rd, The diff housings are unsprung weight as long as you keep the rubber side down. They are not supported by the springs. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:48 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 22:30:20 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: image? Mike- >Strange about that weather,wonder if we've started an export drive? Just to be safe,though,you'd better get some green wellies and a flat 'at.A Whippet and pidgeon muck on your shoulder helps too.Got to have the right image,what? I can get the wellies (not original) here at work for free (my yearly "shoes from industry" allotment) but am in need of a real flat 'at... Pidgeom muck on the shoulders I can do without-got plenty of horseshit on me shoes-mate! seeya, rdushin
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:53 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 22:32:44 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: off-road >rd, The diff housings are unsprung weight as long as you keep the rubber side down. They are not supported by the springs. TeriAnn but-THIS thing FLYS! What do you all think they mean by "off-road", anyway?? rd ps......guess noone is buying my rather lame arguement.......
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 19 19:43:14 1993 Return-Path: <mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> From: Mark J Keenan <mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Subject: PLEASE PUT ME ON THE LIST To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 08:32:36 +0800 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 198 Please put me on the mailing list!!! Cheers, Mark Keenan(mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) ---------------------------------------- Landrover - Noisy uncomfortable vehicles for noisy uncomfortable people.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 20 15:27:10 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: but.but.
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:52:17 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) writes:
> But, then again, if it is true that one must specify rhd vs. lhd
> when ordering new springs, then this arguement is absolute bs.
As Bill illustrated:
NADA UK spec
left right left right
driver battery driver
steering fuel tank fuel tank
battery
steering
This will make quite a difference...
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Stowe British Invasion III
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:13:06 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
b
Another British Invasion at Stowe Vermont come and gone. A
different set of cars appeared this year compared to last year.
While last year we saw a good number of pre-War stuff, it was
generally absent this year. If one wants to see a large
cross-section of British sports cars, this was the place to see
them. 27 various Healeys, a ton of Jags, Triumphs, MG TC through
MGC, Rolls, Morgans, Mini's et cetera. No "cheap" British cars
though. Not a Popular, Metropolitan, Minor to be seen. Unfortunate
in that respect.
But who cares about that stuff anyway, we are interested in Land
Rovers eh?
Well, for some curious reason, while Rovers North could garner 120
Land Rovers last year at their summer party, have no party this
year, be only 30 minutes from Stowe, the British Invasion only
managed to attract seven Land Rovers. Mine didn't make it for
reasons of incompetence on the part of another fellow. What did
was as follows:
Series III. Almost imaculate, driven by four kids who arrived and
started to polish it immediately. They even did the
treads. While very keen, they expressed awe when
describing a Land Rover that went into water "nearly
up to the bottom of the sills!" As I had photos of
our last OVLR mud run with us, we kind of blew them
away in showing them what a Land Rover could do.
Series II Diesel. Dale Desprey made it down in his diesel without
fault this year, and while he didn't win any
peoples choice awards, did win the tailgate
picnic again for a second year. For some reason
a Land Rover with an owner dressed up as Baldric
of Black Adder fame seemed kind of appropriate.
Series IIA John Pritchard of Ottawa arrived in a rebuilt Land
Rover, that because of various donor body panels was
once multi coloured. John had completely stripped all
of the paint from the LR, buffing it into a highly
polished sheen of light reflecting aluminium.
Series III An old tatty swb Land Rover that showed up late Sunday.
Series III One, as the owner claimed, 1976 Series III Station
Wagon. While looking superficially as a Series III,
it had enough Series IIA components to look like a
rebuild job. Very cleam and shiny in a non-Land Rover
grey colour. Trim had been painted too...
Series III Ted Rose came down in his Series III. One spectator
gave him shit for cleaning the mud off, saying that he
was a philistine before walking off. Kind of amusing.
Defender 110 A pair of 1993 Defenders showed, in all of their
immaculate modern pristine condition. Interesting to
see one up close and notice how not that much had
really changed from my 1964. One interesting thing
was that the trim, which on my 1964 is galvanised, is
not so on the Defender. One Defender was already
showing signs of rust discolouration from under rear
trim pieces.
The Peoples Choice awards went to the almost imaculate Series III,
a Defender took second, and Pritchard's polished IIA took third.
There was grumbling from the Land Rover owners that the Defenders
and Range Rovers should not be in the same catagory as Series
I-III, citing some seven classes available for Jags.
Rover's North was there. They had their rebuild project of a brown
Series III on display, showing us Canadians what a nice Land Rover
frame should really look like. An affiliate organisation, Rover's
North Off-Road had a pair of Range Rovers taking people for rides
over a dirt mound and into the woods to show what they could do. A
rather steep up-hill then down hill course that I wouldn't have
been keen to take my 109 down. Up sure, but air suspension, disc
brakes, and an automatic gearbox makes a world of difference..
This off road demonstration for their driving school was probably
the most popular thing at Stowe with massive line-ups for people
waiting to go on it. Unfortunately we were not allowed to take our
Land Rovers over the course, let alone the dirt mound for fun.
The driving shool seems to be interesting, though rather expensive
at $750 for the one day one-to-one course. ($350 for one-to-four
per person) A draw back to me was the answer to a question I
asked. While it is all really nice to learn on a Range Rover, will
you take an hour or two at the end to do the lessons in my four
wheel drum, leaf sprung, manual gearbox earth pig. It is rather
different from the Range Rover. The answer was no, but they would
try to find a similar vehicle for you to learn in. Could I do the
entire course in a Series IIA that you supply I asked. No was the
answer. Overall, the course description et cetera seems to be a
good idea for someone who has no off-road experience. How good it
is for people who off road every weekend through cedar swamp, rock
faces and the like is another. They did comment that women are
earier to teach. They actually listen to the istructions and are
not as stubborn as the men.
There was the Discovery there for people to look at. It is the
version that will be coming to North America in the near future. A
mid-1980's military 90 was hiding off in a corner near Rover's
North, as well as Rover's North's military Forward Control and a v8
County.
As for other events, a cricket, rugby, and polo game went on for
people to watch, as well as a colonial war British troop
battle re-enactment.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 20 16:20:05 1993
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Subject: Oh yeah, another pet...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:58:33 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Forgot to mention, while at Stowe I met another one of our more
distant OVLR members. (a good number of OVLR members showed up in
non-British cars <grrr>) I am the owner of a 1960 swb now. Cost
was $100, though I have to put it back together. Frame is a mess,
but angle iron will solve that problem. It is destined to be my
"little earth pig"", thus saving my 109 "Swamp Beast" from further
damage. Eight tail lamps this summer is getting expensive, let
alone all of the hammering to straighten out panels from trees that
get in the way of a 109 trying to turn in a forest.
Rgds,
Dixon
1964 109 Station Wagon
1960 88 in pieces...
PS. That sad thing is I will get this thing all together, thus
rescuing a swb sestined for the breakers, and then will be
loath to smash it through the forest. Damn... I need a Jeep
to kill, but *hate* getting stuck everywhere. No wonder the
original Camel Trophy switched from Jeeps to Land Rovers after
the Jeeps blew it bigtime...
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Oh yeah, another pet...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:58:33 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Forgot to mention, while at Stowe I met another one of our more
distant OVLR members. (a good number of OVLR members showed up in
non-British cars <grrr>) I am the owner of a 1960 swb now. Cost
was $100, though I have to put it back together. Frame is a mess,
but angle iron will solve that problem. It is destined to be my
"little earth pig"", thus saving my 109 "Swamp Beast" from further
damage. Eight tail lamps this summer is getting expensive, let
alone all of the hammering to straighten out panels from trees that
get in the way of a 109 trying to turn in a forest.
Rgds,
Dixon
1964 109 Station Wagon
1960 88 in pieces...
PS. That sad thing is I will get this thing all together, thus
rescuing a swb sestined for the breakers, and then will be
loath to smash it through the forest. Damn... I need a Jeep
to kill, but *hate* getting stuck everywhere. No wonder the
original Camel Trophy switched from Jeeps to Land Rovers after
the Jeeps blew it bigtime...
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 20 18:36:32 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Jeeps and the Camel Trophy
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Sep 93 11:58:33 PDT."
<akN70B3w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 16:27:50 PDT
From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
In message <akN70B3w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> you write:
> to kill, but *hate* getting stuck everywhere. No wonder the
> original Camel Trophy switched from Jeeps to Land Rovers after
> the Jeeps blew it bigtime...
This is something that I hadn't heard. Could you elaborate on thisd
Dixon?
Ben Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 21 08:28:27 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 21 Sep 1993 06:15:58 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: Land Rover Mailing List <lro@transfer.stratus.com> Subject: Defender 90 and New Style Range Rover This week's AutoWeek has a picture of the newly skinned Range Rover. It is a lot less radical than the concept pictures. Also, the October issue of Automobile has a picture of the Defender 90. There was a short blurb, but no new information other than it will be here next month. *============================================================================* * * __________ * * Paul Anderson * / \___ Exceptional Vehicles * * ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM * :__Range_Rover__: are for * * * (_) (_) Exceptional People| * *============================================================================*
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 21 17:10:41 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 21:55:38 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: matter makers Mike- In response to your observation.....I am convinced that these beasts- despite their mammalian descent-are fully capable of CO2 fixation! rdushin
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 22 00:55:12 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Defender 90 and New Style Range Rover
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 22:06:20 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Paul Anderson <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> writes:
> Also, the October issue of Automobile has a picture of the Defender 90.
> There was a short blurb, but no new information other than it will be
> here next month.
My understanding is that the Defender is already off the production
line and should be over here in the next three weeks. A stripped
90 will go for $28k (US) and the fully loaded somewhere areound
$32-34k.
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 22 15:31:21 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: mailrus!ai.gtri.gatech.edu!Offroad@tin
Cc: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy vehicles
In-Reply-To: Your message of "22 Sep 93 10:30:22 PDT."
<"ACUS05 93/09/22 17:30:22.707080"@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 16:17:55 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
[Cross posted to Land-Rover-Owner ]
Well, this does beg an answer from a Land Rover Owner, so I'll give
Paul a hand in this one...
>From: uunet!mailrus!samsung!ulowell!Novell.COM!Benjamin_Cristi (Benjamin Cristi)
>I've been looking at the recent articles on the Camel Trophy event in
>some of the 4wd rags, and I'm wondering if anyone has more info on the
>following:
>1. The aluminum "traction aids". All of the pictures showed them
>lashed to the roof racks. What situations are they used for? How are
>they used? Where can you get them?
Paul Anderson <uunet!mailrus!samsung!ulowell!waccvm.corp.mot.com!ACUS05>
provides this info:
[ The "traction aids" are called 'Sand Ladders'. They are tracks that must
[ be laid end-to-end to maneuver through extremely soft terrain. The
[ exercise that was executed with them was on sand, but they did use them
[ in a very muddy situation.
From: "Working in the wild : Land Rover's manual for Africa"
"ON SAND
Land Rovers that will be used on soft sand should be equipped with
lightweight sand ladders. Aluminum is best but expensive - narrow perforated
steel plate (PSP) is a reasonable compromise. Size: 170cm long, 250mm wide,
150mm rung spacing."
Also see your local welder...
>2. The wire cables running from the roof rack front corners, to the
>brush guard on the front. What is their purpose, other than to dry
>laundry?
Paul was a bit off base in his answer for this one. In a brochure which
I picked up at Caffyns, in Lewes (one afternoon on the way home from work
``assisting the Sussex police in their inquiries'' :-), these
wires are described as "Brush guard wires, bull bar to roof rack". So
evidently they help guide those pesky tree limbs over the windscreen to
slide over the roof rack.
As per Land Rover's brouchure, 1993 is the fourth consecutive year that the
Land Rover Discover Tdi will be the vehicles for the event, including
16 teams, and 7 crew vehicles, while the remaining 7 support vehicles will
be Land Rover Defender 110 Tdi models. All are production line vehicles
fitted with the following expedition equipment.
External:
Matt black bonnet panel (bonnet == hood)
Two bonnet retaining clips
Bull bar incorporating two driving lamps
and external winch control socket
8500 lb electric winch
Sump guard
2 x 3.5 ton towing hitches on front bumpr
Raised air intake pipe
Bush guard wires, bull bar to roof rack
Rear door mounted ladder to roof rack
Rear mounted spot lamp
Rear lamp guards
1 x 5 ton towing hitch on rear bumper
Fuel tank guard
Full length roof rack incorporating:
Sand tracks (ladders)
Felling axe
Shovel
Pick axe
Four spot lamps
Stowage on roof rack for:
Four Pelican expedition cases
Additional spare wheel
Towing rops
Exhaust jack (baloon ?)
Internal:
Full internal roll cage
Terratrip electronic trip meter
Flexible map lamp
One hand-held spot lamp
Hand-held winch control unit
Two fire extinguishers
Rear compartment dog guard
Stowage in rear of vehicle for:
2 x 22 litre water cans
2 x 22 litre fuel cans
Two waterproof aluminum food boxes
One spare parts box
One tool kit
Four Pelican expedition cases
Towing bar
--bill wpc@caloccia.net caloccia@Stratus.Com
N R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase
| +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." '69 Mk.IIa 88"
OD 2 4 4 L land-rover-owners-request@Team.Net
"Land Rover: The Best 4 x 4 x Far"
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 24 11:07:32 1993 Return-Path: <rhcaldw@nma> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:51:28 MDT From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Rover Relatives David and Nigel-I have a close relationship with a relative of your Rovers. My 58 Series I, 88 serial number is 114703851, little older. Maybe an older cousin? Sold new in Helena, Montana and has all the original tools and manuals. Still ticking on the first engine. But with the 2.0 parts exspensive and hard to get, may have to do a transplant while I save money for the parts. It his starting to show the years. Be kind to your Rover, for it bears you. Roy
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 24 16:03:51 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 20:47:48 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Nigel Roy- >David and Nigel-I have a close relationship with a relative of your Rovers. Nigel IS my Rover. rdushin
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 26 22:22:15 1993 Return-Path: <mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:09:09 +0800 From: Mark J Keenan <mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Boring type stuff? G'day all! As a new subscriber to this list I thought I'd scribble out a bit of a blurb and ask a few questions!! Basically I learnt to drive in a Landrover - my Dad's actually. It was (is) a 1981 SIII which had at the time the 2.3L Petrol engine. Since then we have transplanted a Holden 202 - at the time it was the cheapest way to replace the LR engine which had died after seeing a lot of off and onroad service up Carnarvon way! Because of my Dad I had been hooked on the idea of a Rover ever since and my wife and I bought a 1974 SIII (109) last year. This too had already had a Holden transplant - something I never want to have again (but that is another story)! The tires had also been beefed up - Yokohama Superdiggers (30.5x10R15) to replace the old skinnys! (another thing I wouldn't bother with again). We took this beast around Australia in January after our wedding! Honeymoon in a LandRover - it was the trip of a lifetime. Since then we have sold the old girl (the LR not my wife) and bought a conventional (blahhhhh---yuk) car - nice car but no personality! Sooner,rather than later, I intend to get hold of a '48 or '49 SI - I saw one in Coffs Harbour and fell in love with it! What are they like to get hold of? I'm sure parts are hard to come by but I want it as a hobby more than anything! Nuff from me! Cheers Mark. ***************************** Mark Keenan - mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Landrover - Noisy uncomfortable vehicles for noisy uncomfortable people *****************************
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 06:33:37 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Boring type stuff? To: mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Mark J Keenan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 12:21:43 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199309270309.LAA10116@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>; from "Mark J Keenan" at Sep 27, 93 11:09 am Mark, Not boring at all,in fact.Hmmm....'48 or '49.Fairly rare even over here,these days.I assume you are specifically after the 1600cc version,rahter than the slightly later 2litre.And 80" as against the 86" or 88" S1. The problem,as you may have guessed,is spares.They *are* available (over here)but they are also expensive.Obviously,I dont know the situation in Oz,but it seems logical that bits would be harder to come by out there.Depends on the level of enthusiasm for the marque, I suppose,and whether that enthusiasm is sufficient to prompt "pattern spares" companies to take an interest in the market.It would be interesting to know,though.
From where I'm sitting,it looks as though as many S1's are modded (engine changes,etc) to "bring them up to date" as are restored to original.Personally,I think this is a shame,because the available stock of S1's is lessened thereby,and I can see a day when prices for original versions *may* rocket to the point that the average bloke cant afford one.This happened years ago with Austin Sevens,there was a vogue for rebiulding them into "Baby Racers",until the price of an original version skyrocketed.Very nice if you had a good one to sell,but bad news for everyone else.On the other hand,perhaps it is a compliment to the type, inasmuch as it is considered worth keeping on the road,or off it,whatever changes have to be made. Again,speaking personally,I am pleased that I resisted the urge to try a S1,since my 11A is the only vehicle I have.Spares are not a problem, since many are common to the S111,and I can,if I wish,get Genuine Parts, not an option with the S1 (even Land Rover have their limits). However,if I was in the market for a "project" vehicle,that would be a different kettle of fish altogether,because I could afford to wait until I found the bits I needed,at the price I could afford.I will admit that I *do* like to see a nicely restored S1 on the road. Presumably,you also have the advantage that your climate is much kinder to old vehicles,so that you will not have the rust problems that so beset us,not to mention the "planned destruction" policies of our local authorities who so kindly lather our roads with instant rot in the winter, (salted gravel). Best of luck Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 10:16:22 1993 Return-Path: <bellas@gamma.tti.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 07:59:00 PDT From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Boring type stuff? Sooner,rather than later, I intend to get hold of a '48 or '49 SI - I saw one in Coffs Harbour and fell in love with it! What are they like to get hold of? I'm sure parts are hard to come by but I want it as a hobby more than anything! I owned a SI 80" (1948) for about ten years. I rue the day I sold it but at the time I wasn't using it much and needed the money badly (I had just bought a house). It was a great vehicle, fun to drive and very sturdy. It was kind of tight on leg room but otherwise the cab was comfortable. On spares, well.... I found engine parts to be available as well as most running gear. I had trouble finding body parts, was never able to get a rebuild kit for the brakes (which sucked) and replacement instruments, HA! Now if only I could get some time to start on the 109 in my driveway... -Pete- * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com *
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 11:15:33 1993
Return-Path: <dan@hp8c.nrl.navy.mil>
From: Dan Chayes <dan@hp8c.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: test posting to land rover owners
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 12:02:40 EDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]
Hello out there in Land Rover Land -
echo echo - Hello -
This is a short message to test
1) If there is any body out there -
I keep seeing referance to the list on british-car
2) If I'm subscribed to this list
I think I should be I sent in a request but have
not seen any trafic
Cheers
Dan
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Code 7420, Naval Research Lab (202) 767-2024 (voice)
Washington D.C. 20375-5320 (202) 767-0167 (fax)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 21:52:00 1993 Return-Path: <Martin@icarus.curtin.edu.au> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:36:04 +0900 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: Martin@icarus.curtin.edu.au Subject: How do I join this mailing list? The title says it all! :-) -Mart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Hill Internet: chillm@cc.curtin.edu.au Mac User Consultant QuickMail: Martin_Hill@3517415 Computing Centre AppleLink: AUST0176 Curtin University GPO Box U 1987, Ph:(09)351-3200 Perth 6001, Fax:(09)351-2673 Western Austalia ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 22:55:03 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: test posting to land rover owners
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 18:45:22 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Dan Chayes <dan@hp8c.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> 2) If I'm subscribed to this list
> I think I should be I sent in a request but have
> not seen any trafic
There has been little traffic of late unfortunately. The
Ottawa-types on the list are waiting in anticipation of 877
kilogrammes of Land Rover parts, which should arrive sometime this
coming week from Merseyside.
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 27 23:22:22 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Boring type stuff?
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 18:55:52 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Mark J Keenan <mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> writes:
> Sooner,rather than later, I intend to get hold of a '48 or '49 SI - I
> saw one in Coffs Harbour and fell in love with it! What are they like
> to get hold of? I'm sure parts are hard to come by but I want it as a
> hobby more than anything!
Parts are not that difficult to get a hold of, though you find
problems in gathering body parts and other related items. As for
finding, a friend has recently run across four Series I's, a pair
of 80 inch and 86 inch vehicles. They are to be found, at least
here in Canada. If you are specifically looking for a 1948-49
you are looking for one of 8,048 vehicles produced. Finding one of
them maybe a bit more difficult.
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 03:37:37 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: test posting to land rover owners To: dan@hp8c.nrl.navy.mil (Dan Chayes) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 9:23:21 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309271602.AA08099@transfer.stratus.com>; from "Dan Chayes" at Sep 27, 93 12:02 pm Well,it made it over here.What do you drive?Is that 800Kg of rear light lenses Dixon,and 77Kg of assorted?:-) Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 09:39:34 1993 Return-Path: <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:22:30 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@essex.stfx.ca> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: RE: ROYS TOY Dear Roy: here are a few thoughts.... > My old gal has the tailgate and spring loaded rear drop >door. spring loaded would be nice...this element has be stripped from mine if it had such..there are some bolt holes near the floor. > With no rear jump seats. But she is the bottom of >the line Rover. No options other than the North Amrican >roof. It would seem maybe ...the fewer the options the fewer repairs? Have you ever been in a serious hail storm...the accustics on the roof are really quit something. >The only thing more basic is a mil. version. The >owners manual does show a line drawing of a version with >the rear facing jump seats. I have the dash mounted turn >signal switch with no cancel and basic speedo with fuel >gauge and amp meter. Have you had any problem with the turn signal switch? I was present when a fellow broke off a more modern steering colume type...arg! He made on out of hard wood before getting a new one. >The speedo cable broke at 16200. >That was sometime in 1961. So have no idea of real mileage. >I bought her fron the second owner who bought her in 1959. I think people should have broken speedo cables too..maybe we would'nt get so hung up about getting old or somting like that. Nice to know life historys of your LR...give one a greater sense of committment to the relationship.(not that this is a problem with most owners) >If you see The God`s Must Be Crazy, the old gal looks very >much like the anti-christ. HMMM....I have seen this a few times...I should rent it again. I love the various solutions to starter motor problems, but I can'nt rember which images come from which movie I or II. I spent some time in 1990 in Botswana where this movie was filmed. This a place where I could live. It is not all bush land (which I like..nasty and dangerous criters and all) but is a well developed (by African standards) country. The use of Rovers is still about the same as in the movie. A few more izsu's (SP?) today. I stayed next door to some German tech folks who often had to push the LR back up the hill to try starting in gear a second time. Fixing the problem was held up by a lack of time not parts. >Have a good trip. Thanks ..this weekend drive was connected to my time in Botswana. It was good. I have been getting re-involved with the volunteer organization that sent me.(Canadian Cross Roads International) Gee!! this makes me think of something.... there might be interest by folks at (with) VITA (voluteers in Technological Assistance) i think...? with LRO-L. Especially with the nitty gritty details of repairs in the back yard with limited resourses. their electronic members are spread far and wide. They are mostly interested in Tech trans. and appropriate tech, but could be more appropriate than a faithful LR? Perhaps a note could go in their next news letter. for now....back to work. David S.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 11:20:42 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 09:05:58 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: Martin@icarus.curtin.edu.au, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: How do I join this mailing list? Mart, The title doesn't quite say it all.... Who are you & what kind of Land Rover do you have? Please take a minute out to introduce yourself & your Landy. Sitting between my TR3A and MGBGT I have a 1960 two door 109. It was born white but these days is a flaking green. It lives in Santa Cruz California, and has just recently completed camping trips to Portland Oregon for the Portland All Britsh Field Meet, and to the White Mountains just north of Death Valley, where it spend a week driving along above 10000 feet altitude. I've had it since 1978 when I towed it home as a fixer upper. Up untill 2 years ago its primary job was being a farm Rover. Filled with 7 bales of hay every weekend. Carrying dairy goats from place to place. Occasionally she got backed into the barn and loaded to the roof line with manure. And she made a number of trips out to get fire wood. Now, semi retired, she carrys the dog about; goes on car camping trips, and since we do not have garbage collection, gets loaded to the roof line and heads off to the dump or recycling place every few months. Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman twakeman@apple.com AppleLink TWAKEMAN
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 13:23:02 1993
Return-Path: <ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:08:21 -0500
From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: steer me straignt...
Questions regarding my 1966 (registered as a 61) daily driver that
I have owned for 15 months, but driven for only 9 months:
My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern. There is
about 3-4 inches of play (measured at the outside of the steering
wheel) when the car is standing still. When I shake the front
track-rod ends, they seem tight (that is, no actual looseness), but
my guess is that they are 25 years old!
When on the road, I constantly have to correct for wander, but it
usually is not a problem since I am going so SLOW!. When I do
go down a long grade and get up to speed, it adds to the thrill
of driving and the wander should probably be considered dangerous.
A couple of questions:
1. Have other people gone thru this and have new track-rod ends
cured most of the wheel play and road wandering problems.
2. Should I replace all 6 or can I just get by with 2 or 4.
3. Should I stick with the genuine LR track rod ends (these
have lasted for years) at a higher purchase cost or switch
to cheaper after-market ones that have a grease fitting but
cost less.
Another, but separate, steeringproblem is that (when at rest)
when I turn the steering wheel Isometimes get popping and
crackling from the steering wheel column. I figured
it is associated with the mounting brackets, but have not tried
to trace it down.The steering sector box is full of
oil, but I admit I haven't checked the steering relay box for oil.
Questions in this area:
4. Has anyone had any luck adjusting the steering relay box.
5. How hard is it to remove the steering column without
stripping the car too far.
6.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 14:47:56 1993 Return-Path: <jory@MIT.EDU> Sender: jory@po7.mit.edu Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 15:39:44 -0500 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: jory@mit.edu Subject: steering woes ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu writes of problems with his rover's steering, and i throw my two cents in: i have a seriii, so some/all of this may not be applicable. i had two separate problems might relate to what you are describing. 1) at one point, the bolts holding the steering relay unit to the bracket on the frame loosened up and gave rise to vague steering and weird noises... 2) after having replaced the steering relay after this incident (the holes holding the unit on were ovaled by the extended looseless), a year (or two) passed and recently, a vagueness once again appeared in the steering, accompanied by large amounts of oil in the steering box area... it turns out this was merely the locking/adjusting (square) nut on the side of the steering relay unit backing out, making the steering loose and dripping oil everywhere... this situation was pleasingly resolved by tightening the aforementioned nut thingy and refilling the oil... -jory
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 15:15:58 1993 Return-Path: <growl@terminous.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 12:59:52 PDT From: growl@terminous.eng.sun.com (William L. Grouell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Subject: Re: steer me straignt...
> From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 11:18:29 1993 > To: lro@transfer.stratus.com > Subject: steer me straignt... > Content-Length: 1642 > X-Lines: 35 > > > Questions regarding my 1966 (registered as a 61) daily driver that > I have owned for 15 months, but driven for only 9 months: > > My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern. There is > about 3-4 inches of play (measured at the outside of the steering > wheel) when the car is standing still. Dear; steer me straignt... Your steering is causing ME concern. It's broke... fix it. Have someone sit in the truck and move the wheel back and forth, just past the ends of the play. Get under the bonnet and follow the linkage along until you see whats loose. Fix the biggest problem first, although, like you said it's 25 years old, so there are probably several things that are worn. I suspect the the mounting bolts for the steering box are loose, but it could be the arm that comes out of the box or one of the two arms on the relay are ready to fall off. There is a "play" adjuster on the steering box, do you know about it? Regards, Bill G.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 16:37:25 1993 Return-Path: <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com> From: Richard Worthington <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com> Subject: Re: steer me straignt... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:14:10 PDT In-Reply-To: <9309281808.AA13083@lulu.cc.missouri.edu>; from "ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu" at Sep 28, 93 1:08 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] > My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern. There is ... > Another, but separate, steering problem is that (when at rest) > when I turn the steering wheel I sometimes get popping and > crackling from the steering wheel column. I had a problem with somewhat similar symptoms. It turned out that the upper ball bearing on the steering shaft (just under the steering wheel) had worn out in such a way that the balls were allowed to roll down the steering tube into the steering box. Several of the balls were shattered by the meshing gears and ground into bits. This metalic gravel setteled to the bottom of the box and chewed up the thrust bearing on the bottom end of the steering shaft. If you suspect something similar, fix it soon. I had my steering jam. I couldn't turn the wheel. I guess one of the balls was wedged between the gears. Luckly, I was only trying to park. I dread to think what would have happened had I been on the freeway. -- Richard Worthington richard@venice.sedd.trw.com TRW (310) 764-3573 Software Engineer TRW DH5/2638 Maneuver Control System Project One Space Park, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 17:03:31 1993
Return-Path: <moore@fsl.noaa.gov>
From: Mark Moore <moore@fsl.noaa.gov>
Subject: Weber Carburetor
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Lan Rover Owners)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:44:59 MDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]
Last week I got ambitious and put the head, manifold
carb, heater core (boy, does it make heat!), and a
few other odds and ins.
The biggest problem right now is getting the engine
to run properly. The valves are adjusted, fuel pressure
is good, plenty of spark.
At present, the engine starts quite easily, but idles
at 1800 RPM, with the idle screw all the way out, and
the mixture screw in. It also has no revving power. Also,
adjusting the timing (even by 1/4 rotation) doesn't seem
to affect running speed.
This weekend, I'll be replacing the Solex with a two
barrel Weber carb and the appropriate Pierce manifold.
So, the questions are..
1) Any thoughts on why the idle is so high, with no
power?
2) Any thoughts on the Pierce manifold vs. the
adapter plate?
3) What's the best method for adapting the linkage to
the Weber.
Thanks!
--
Mark
--0-
--------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Moore moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA/ERL/FSL/FD Systems Administrator
R/E/FS2
325 Broadway
Boulder, CO 80303
USA
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 17:31:48 1993 Return-Path: <growl@terminous.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:18:49 PDT From: growl@terminous.eng.sun.com (William L. Grouell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, moore@fsl.noaa.gov Subject: Re: Weber Carburetor Air leak Regards, bg
> From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 14:58:56 1993 > Subject: Weber Carburetor > To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Lan Rover Owners) > Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] > Content-Length: 1312 > X-Lines: 41 > > > So, the questions are.. > > 1) Any thoughts on why the idle is so high, with no > power? > > Thanks! > > > -- > > Mark > --0- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Moore moore@fsl.noaa.gov > NOAA/ERL/FSL/FD Systems Administrator > R/E/FS2 > 325 Broadway > Boulder, CO 80303 > USA >
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 18:06:52 1993 Return-Path: <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com> From: Richard Worthington <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com> Subject: Re: steer me straignt... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:14:10 PDT In-Reply-To: <9309281808.AA13083@lulu.cc.missouri.edu>; from "ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu" at Sep 28, 93 1:08 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] > My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern. There is ... > Another, but separate, steering problem is that (when at rest) > when I turn the steering wheel I sometimes get popping and > crackling from the steering wheel column. I had a problem with somewhat similar symptoms. It turned out that the upper ball bearing on the steering shaft (just under the steering wheel) had worn out in such a way that the balls were allowed to roll down the steering tube into the steering box. Several of the balls were shattered by the meshing gears and ground into bits. This metalic gravel setteled to the bottom of the box and chewed up the thrust bearing on the bottom end of the steering shaft. If you suspect something similar, fix it soon. I had my steering jam. I couldn't turn the wheel. I guess one of the balls was wedged between the gears. Luckly, I was only trying to park. I dread to think what would have happened had I been on the freeway. -- Richard Worthington richard@venice.sedd.trw.com TRW (310) 764-3573 Software Engineer TRW DH5/2638 Maneuver Control System Project One Space Park, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 19:09:49 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:09:43 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: steer me straignt... To whomever asked the question about steering (please put your name down next time so I can know whom I writing to ... please) There are a number of things you should check to decide what all is causing wondering. The best way to do most of it is to have someone turning the wheel while you are out looking. Tie rods. 1. make sure the tie rods themselves are straight and have not been bent (wouldn't cause your problems but your down there anyway :*) ) 2. With all wheels and you on the ground have someone move the steering back and forth. Look at each tie rod end one at a time. When th direction of the steering movement changes, both rods connected by the tie rod end should move in the same direction at exactly the same time. If there is any movement of one without the other its time for a new tie rod end. Opps actually this should be step #3. #2 should be a visual inspection. Mine had the rubber boots missing and you could see the rust in the ball of the end. They were almost ready to fall out :^0 If your tie rod ends look good, the rods are straight, and both arms/rods connectd by each end move together without any slop your tie rods are cool. Hubs. Jack up the front end and try to vigerously shake each wheel top to bottom then side to side. If it wiggles you ether have loose wheel bearings, or the swivel ball pins are loose. It escapes me at the moment how to tell which is which, but its in the mail & I'm sure there will be followups by someone explaining this. Steering box If the wing splash shield or the wing is removed, the steering box is easily adjustable. mine was VERY sloppy. Another thing to check is the bolts that hold the steering box onto the Land Rover. Mine were loose and contributed not only to a lot of free play but to an occasional snapping sound. Steering relay mine was actually good so i do not have much experience with it. With both front wheels off the gound, turing the wheels from the front of the car the movement should be smooth and easy. If its not you may want to disconnect both ends of the steering relay and isolate the problem. You add oil by removing two bolts securing the top. Put oil in one; air escapes out the other. To drain oil, remove one of the bottom bolts. Some people have stuffed these things with grease which can lead you to panic when no oil comes out the bottom and you cannot add oil from the top. Best of luck, TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 21:01:11 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: test posting to land rover owners
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:43:34 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> writes:
> Is that 800Kg of rear light lenses Dixon,and 77Kg of assorted?:-)
Unfortunately not. 877 kilogrammes of just about everything you
can think of split between five people. I only have six lenses and
two complete assemblies in the order. Judging from experience, I
was too modest in my order... :-)
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 28 22:28:44 1993 Return-Path: <Martin@icarus.curtin.edu.au> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:15:51 +0900 To: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> From: Martin@icarus.curtin.edu.au Subject: Well, I'm someone who's after a Landie or a Rangie Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com >Mart, >The title doesn't quite say it all.... Who are you & what kind of Land Rover >do you have? Please take a minute out to introduce yourself & your Landy. Yo, ok, I'm a rabid windsurfer and occasional outdoor camp organiser when not being Mac and multimedia consultant for Curtin University here in Perth, Western Australia. As you possibly know, our sveral thousand miles of coastline is just about one continuous stretch of sandy beaches and sand dunes, with heaps of bush, windy sandy tracks, heaps of gravel roads off the main highways, heaps of sun the year round (too much at times :-) and a sea breeze that blows in most summer afternoons around 1pm to cool everything off along the coast and a fair way inland. A windsurfer and campers' paradise perhaps? Then there's the untamed heart of Australia, the outback... (gee I think I'd better cross-post to alt.poetry or something :-) And, guess what, I don't have a 4WD to take advantage of all this! :-) I'm basically considering buying either an old second hand Range Rover or Land Rover to get to some of the best wave-jumping spots on the planet (Coronation Beach up at Geraldton is Bliss and Margaret River... well!). I also love off-roading for its own pleasures by the way! The aluminium bodies and extraordinary off-road abilities of the Rover clan have always attracted me, and now I'm wondering if I should take the plunge and buy one! Last night I drove a 73 Range Rover which was nicely outfitted with heavy duty roof rack, rear wheel carrier, roo bar, CB, spotties, air con, power steering, etc, but I'm pretty sure it's been down the Canning Stock Route and Gun Barrel Highway in the interior of Australia, which rate fairly high on the offroad scale here in Oz. The engine sounded good, chassis rust wasn't bad, but the transmission had an amazing amount of slack in it. I understand this is usual? Anyway, that's me and where I'm at. Um, one last thing, noone's told me yet how to subscribe to this list... :-) -Mart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Hill Internet: M.B.Hill@info.curtin.edu.au Mac User Consultant QuickMail: Martin_Hill@3517415 Computing Centre AppleLink: AUST0176 Curtin University GPO Box U 1987, Ph:(09)351-3200 Perth 6001, Fax:(09)351-2673 Western Austalia ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 29 01:46:42 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Weber Carburetor
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 22:54:10 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
Mark Moore <moore@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:
> 1) Any thoughts on why the idle is so high, with no
> power?
Leaks, worn Solex.
> 2) Any thoughts on the Pierce manifold vs. the
> adapter plate?
Never seen a Pierce plate.
> 3) What's the best method for adapting the linkage to
> the Weber.
I have a single barrel Weber. I turned the linkage around so it
would fit on and work the carb. correctly. BTW, Why the double
barrel Weber? The single works just fine.
Rgds,
Dixon
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 29 01:46:54 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: steer me straignt...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 21:28:49 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu writes:
> My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern.
> When on the road, I constantly have to correct for wander,
As others seem to be addressing the specifics of your steering
problem quite well, I though I might address this sub-point and
give the various reasons that it could be happening. From your
description is is most certainly the steering, but with other
people, other factors might be at play. So, why might a vehicle
wander?
- You could have incorrect tire pressures or worn tires
(easy to check)
- Loose axle U-bolts
(easy to check)
- Incorrect toe-in of the front wheels
(check the alignment. At edge of hubs, the rear part of the
hub should be some 3/64 to 3/32 inches greater (yeah right...))
- The steering box is too tight
(check the oil level, it might be low or empty. Check the
adjuster. With the steering in the straight ahead position,
screw in the adjuster by hand until there is no end float
between the adjuster and the rocker shaft. Tighten the
adjuster locknut ensuring the adjuster down not move.)
- Worn front wheel bearings
(When the vehicle is lifted, jerking the wheel sideways, up and
down etc. will give an indication here. The only real way is
to remove the hubs and take a look. It's only a couple of big
nuts, lock washers, and a bit of sworking. Worse if you have
free-wheeling hubs installed, but not impossible. The whell
will kind of rattle with really worn bearings while the swivel
assemble stays still.)
- Worn swivel pins and bearings
(Lift vehicle and firmly grasp the top of the tire.
move it in and out sharply. You may get *some* movement, and
this is acceptable. Excessive movement could indicate worn
swivel pins or bearings. Have asomeone step on the brakes if
there is excessive movement. If the movement continues, check
the bearings, as the swivels are probably working well)
- Incorrect castor (settled springs, damage to front suspension
and axle unit)
(Note, you cannot adjust caster, camber, or swivel pin
inclination in a Land Rover)
- Bent or broken chassis
(Easy to check)
> it adds to the thrill of driving and the wander should probably be
> considered dangerous.
A thrill is not the word for it. Fix it before you drive it
anywhere, otherwise you are going to be less one Land Rover, as
well as whatever you hit. In another vein, if you wreck your Land
Rover, it will be a lot harder for you to find another in Missouri
than for me to find one in Canada. A lot more expensive too...
> 1. Have other people gone thru this and have new track-rod ends
> cured most of the wheel play and road wandering problems.
Maybe. See above and the other suggestions posted here. My
steering problem was under inflated tires. Bias ply will give you
more wander than radials.
> 2. Should I replace all 6 or can I just get by with 2 or 4.
They cost 6.50 pounds from the UK, $26 from Rovers North. If it
looks worn, replace it even if you have to do all six. You can't
"get by" with two or four if all are gone. Replace all if
necessary.
> 3. Should I stick with the genuine LR track rod ends (these
> have lasted for years) at a higher purchase cost or switch
> to cheaper after-market ones that have a grease fitting but
> cost less.
Stick with the real thing. Genuine may cost more, but they will
also last a lot longer and are designed and built for that vehicle.
What were there, some 16,000 Land Rovers imported into North
America? I don't think that aftermarket tie-rod ends would have
been made over here for that few vehicles. You will end up with
something designed for something else.
> 4. Has anyone had any luck adjusting the steering relay box.
There isn't much there to adjust beyond making sure all of the
fittings are tight. If the splines on the top and bottom of the
shaft are worn, then a rebuilt, or new, relay is probably in order.
Removing the relay is a major chore, and there really isn't any
point unless it is to be replaced. The relay isn't something you
want to open up and play with, as there is a large wound spring
inside under a lot of tension. When it lets go... Haynes et al.
say to send it out to someone who knows what they are doing. To
quote the Factory Manual "During the following procedures use
extreme care, the relay housing contains a large compressed spring,
which is automatically released during dismantling".
> 5. How hard is it to remove the steering column without
> stripping the car too far.
Not very difficult. Just a lot of rusty bolts. If you still have
the heat shield on the exxhaust manifold, add more work, as life is
easier without it in the way.
Rgds,
Dixon
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 29 03:23:25 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: steer me straignt...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 21:28:49 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada
ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu writes:
> My SIIa 88 steering is causing some concern.
> When on the road, I constantly have to correct for wander,
As others seem to be addressing the specifics of your steering
problem quite well, I though I might address this sub-point and
give the various reasons that it could be happening. From your
description is is most certainly the steering, but with other
people, other factors might be at play. So, why might a vehicle
wander?
- You could have incorrect tire pressures or worn tires
(easy to check)
- Loose axle U-bolts
(easy to check)
- Incorrect toe-in of the front wheels
(check the alignment. At edge of hubs, the rear part of the
hub should be some 3/64 to 3/32 inches greater (yeah right...))
- The steering box is too tight
(check the oil level, it might be low or empty. Check the
adjuster. With the steering in the straight ahead position,
screw in the adjuster by hand until there is no end float
between the adjuster and the rocker shaft. Tighten the
adjuster locknut ensuring the adjuster down not move.)
- Worn front wheel bearings
(When the vehicle is lifted, jerking the wheel sideways, up and
down etc. will give an indication here. The only real way is
to remove the hubs and take a look. It's only a couple of big
nuts, lock washers, and a bit of sworking. Worse if you have
free-wheeling hubs installed, but not impossible. The whell
will kind of rattle with really worn bearings while the swivel
assemble stays still.)
- Worn swivel pins and bearings
(Lift vehicle and firmly grasp the top of the tire.
move it in and out sharply. You may get *some* movement, and
this is acceptable. Excessive movement could indicate worn
swivel pins or bearings. Have asomeone step on the brakes if
there is excessive movement. If the movement continues, check
the bearings, as the swivels are probably working well)
- Incorrect castor (settled springs, damage to front suspension
and axle unit)
(Note, you cannot adjust caster, camber, or swivel pin
inclination in a Land Rover)
- Bent or broken chassis
(Easy to check)
> it adds to the thrill of driving and the wander should probably be
> considered dangerous.
A thrill is not the word for it. Fix it before you drive it
anywhere, otherwise you are going to be less one Land Rover, as
well as whatever you hit. In another vein, if you wreck your Land
Rover, it will be a lot harder for you to find another in Missouri
than for me to find one in Canada. A lot more expensive too...
> 1. Have other people gone thru this and have new track-rod ends
> cured most of the wheel play and road wandering problems.
Maybe. See above and the other suggestions posted here. My
steering problem was under inflated tires. Bias ply will give you
more wander than radials.
> 2. Should I replace all 6 or can I just get by with 2 or 4.
They cost 6.50 pounds from the UK, $26 from Rovers North. If it
looks worn, replace it even if you have to do all six. You can't
"get by" with two or four if all are gone. Replace all if
necessary.
> 3. Should I stick with the genuine LR track rod ends (these
> have lasted for years) at a higher purchase cost or switch
> to cheaper after-market ones that have a grease fitting but
> cost less.
Stick with the real thing. Genuine may cost more, but they will
also last a lot longer and are designed and built for that vehicle.
What were there, some 16,000 Land Rovers imported into North
America? I don't think that aftermarket tie-rod ends would have
been made over here for that few vehicles. You will end up with
something designed for something else.
> 4. Has anyone had any luck adjusting the steering relay box.
There isn't much there to adjust beyond making sure all of the
fittings are tight. If the splines on the top and bottom of the
shaft are worn, then a rebuilt, or new, relay is probably in order.
Removing the relay is a major chore, and there really isn't any
point unless it is to be replaced. The relay isn't something you
want to open up and play with, as there is a large wound spring
inside under a lot of tension. When it lets go... Haynes et al.
say to send it out to someone who knows what they are doing. To
quote the Factory Manual "During the following procedures use
extreme care, the relay housing contains a large compressed spring,
which is automatically released during dismantling".
> 5. How hard is it to remove the steering column without
> stripping the car too far.
Not very difficult. Just a lot of rusty bolts. If you still have
the heat shield on the exxhaust manifold, add more work, as life is
easier without it in the way.
Rgds,
Dixon
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 29 04:01:34 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: steer me straignt... To: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 9:32:43 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309281808.AA13083@lulu.cc.missouri.edu>; from "ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu" at Sep 28, 93 1:08 pm The most likely cause of what you describe is track rod ends.Because there are six of them between steering wheel and road wheels,there is always a certain amount of play (working clearance) even when they are all new.But not *that* bad.Get someone to waggle the steering wheel while you look at each track rod end in turn.If you cant *see* anything amiss try wrapping your hand round the ball joint and the end of the rod.You may be able to feel the play. If all OK,make sure the steering relay is secure on its mountings.This is another cause of wander. Again,if all OK,jack up the front end,and check your swivel joints by pushing in the top of the road wheel towards the engine.There should be little or no movement.If there is,take the wheel off,and repeat the experiment with the top of the brake assembly,watching for relative movement between the swivel ball and the outer housing.There should be *very*,*very* little. IMO you will be most unlucky if the steering box is loose,but its always worth checking.The British annual MOT test says there should be a max of 1" free play measured at the steering wheel rim. You can adjust the steering box,but not the relay.Warning!Dont take the relay to bits,it contains a bloody great spring! If you are on cross ply tyres(unlikely I would guess)you *will* get a certain amount of what I call "terrain following",ie the thing tends to try and fall down the camber of the road,but you shouldnt get this on radials. As for spares,I use whatever reputable make of ball joints comes to hand.With grease nipples.Have a look at the joints first,or take one with you when you buy replacements,there are two sorts.Mine are threaded full length where they screw into the steering rods,but some arent,check which youve got.I didnt,once,but *only* once! Best of luck Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 29 17:11:35 1993 Return-Path: <u10122@sdsc.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:53:38 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: steering Many have suggested remedies to your steering problems-I will only give you what fixed mine. Nigel (the '60 ser II '88) had two problems-wandering and wobble. The wandering was primarily due to a loose steering box-easily fixed-and a dire need for adjustment (of the steering box)-also easily fixed. While I was at it I did four of the tie (track/steering) rod ends (the ones between the box and the relay seemed fine......I did the four in pairs because I was cheap, but in retrospect should have done all four at once). My steering relay was a tad on the stiff side (was dry of oil, still won't hold it, but gets occasional doses of 90 wt....just don't want to hassle with replacing that seal on the bottom end-just yet, anyway) but no matter- it still works (freely once oiled up). The excessive wheel wobble was due to improperly adjusted (shimmed) swivel pin housings-one was too loose, one too tight (as measured by the spring balance or "fish scale" method listed in your manual-got one??). Addition/subtraction of the appropriate shims solved the problem (although they are very close to but not exactly within specs-something like 16-20 lbs of force to start movement-they are each very nearly identical, and I think that is what is really important). On my way to solving the wobble problem I discovered that very slight changes in alignment had a drastic effect upon driveability (and, potentially, my lifespan). A crude but effective way of measuring/adjusting your alignment follows: a) place a clean mark around each tire.......eg paint the roadside surface of your tire in one thin strip all the way around (jack it up first, obviously- 1/2" off the road will due just fine) and then scratch a mark in the fresh paint (a clean, sharp, even mark-use a nail in a piece of wood that you can hold real still while you rotate the tire). b) take a measurement at 3 and 9 o'clock (front and rear) of the distance between your two marks. the distance at 9 should be 1/16" longer than the distance at 3. adjust as neccessary. I think this may be easier and more precise than trying to measure at the hubs themselves, or measuring the track rod end-end distance shown in your manual (after you've figured out if you've got pendant or non-pendant type, and figured out where to measure from and to). Good luck-and get it fixed! rdushin/nigel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 30 06:51:41 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Steering Wrinkle To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:38:39 BST If I can add a "wrinkle" to rd's steering how to? This was passed on to me by a mechanic at a garage that got all the local farmer's Land Rovers to MOT test/service (and you cant get filthier,more neglected,downright *abused* Land Rovers anywhere, not even your lot,Dixon:-)).When setting up the swivels,it isnt necessary to use a spring balance.The swivels need the tiniest amount of free play.So you jack up,remove road wheel,get a box to sit on,and add/remove shims until by pushing inwards at the top of the assembly,you can detect the *slightest* movement.I did mine that way,and have no wheel wobble and nice light steering.Also you dont have to disconnect the track rod ends,AND you can do the job comfortably seated(which has to be worth something,particularly at my age). The aformentioned mechanic told of one farmer who,like most of them would spend far more on getting their machines through the annual test than they were worth to buy,whose Land Rover an early S11,was a nightmare.Hardly anything on it worked,it always arrived totally clagged up with pig,cow and other muck,half the topsoil on the farm underneath,with a chassis that,was more weld than original metal etc etc.It always took two days at least to sort out,most of the first day being spent "gardening" underneath,just so you could FIND the damn thing.They spent years telling the old boy that he should get a new one,that it was costing him more than it was worth, all to no avail,he'd only had it twenty years after all. They even considered going sick when he rang,but it *is* a village after all,so he could sort them out at home or down the pub. So the old boy rang,"Ayup,young man,I want me Land Rover MOT'ing". "Oh no!how many years are we expected to keep it running?" "You've no need to worry,young man,Ah've done what yer said and got a new un".Happiness! Until he drove up.He'd got a S111,totally clagged up underneath, chassis more HOLES than metal,nothing worked.......... Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 30 08:45:40 1993
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From: Mark Moore <moore@fsl.noaa.gov>
Subject: Weber Carburetor (fwd)
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Lan Rover Owners)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 7:28:57 MDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]
>
>> 2) Any thoughts on the Pierce manifold vs. the
>> adapter plate?
>
> Never seen a Pierce plate.
The Pierce manifold comes from Mike Pierce (some place in
California). I think this is the same one supplied by
Rovers North as part of their kit. Cost is $150 US.
After talking to a few people, it seems that the adapter plate
may be the preferred method, as the Pierce doesn't offer the
pre-heating ability or constricted jetting of the stock
manifold.
>
>> 3) What's the best method for adapting the linkage to
>> the Weber.
>
> I have a single barrel Weber. I turned the linkage around so it
> would fit on and work the carb. correctly. BTW, Why the double
> barrel Weber? The single works just fine.
The two barrel doesn't have the ambidextrous throttle linkage. I
reckon that means I get to do a little metal work.
As for the two barrel...had a new one lieing around unused, didn't
feel like buying a one barrel, a two barrel on a 2.25 litre Rover
engine appeals to my sense of humour, :-)....
>
>--
>dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
>FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada
>
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Mark
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NOAA/ERL/FSL/FD Systems Administrator
R/E/FS2
325 Broadway
Boulder, CO 80303
USA
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 30 12:06:35 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:52:30 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, moore@fsl.noaa.gov Subject: Re: Weber Carburetor (fwd) At the Palo Alto All British meet I asked several Land Rover people a about the Weber 2 barrel conversion. One person compalained that his had a big flat spot & was going to dump it. Another said he already had because of that. Someone with a 2 barrel on an adaptor said he couldn't tell and difference. One person said he really liked it. He had a fresh engine with a 'bit' milled of the head, the 2.5 L LR cam, and a header. For what its worth. TeriAnn Now if I can only find that rebuild kit for the Solex..
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 30 13:14:11 1993
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From: Mark Moore <moore@fsl.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: Weber Carburetor (fwd)
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Lan Rover Owners)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 11:55:28 MDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]
>
>At the Palo Alto All British meet I asked several Land Rover people a about
>the Weber 2 barrel conversion. One person compalained that his had a big
>flat spot & was going to dump it. Another said he already had because of that.
>Someone with a 2 barrel on an adaptor said he couldn't tell and difference.
>One person said he really liked it. He had a fresh engine with a 'bit'
>milled of the head, the 2.5 L LR cam, and a header.
>
Hmmm, sounds possibly like the flow problem. Maybe the adapter is the
way to go. Since I'll eventually have both an adapter and the
manifold, maybe I'll swap the two next spring to see if there is
any difference.
>For what its worth.
>
>TeriAnn
>Now if I can only find that rebuild kit for the Solex..
>
Gee, at $98.50 for a rebuild kit from Rover's North (when they have
it) I'll be dumping my Solex real soon....
Anybody need a paper weight? :-)
--
Mark
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Mark Moore moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA/ERL/FSL/FD Systems Administrator
R/E/FS2
325 Broadway
Boulder, CO 80303
USA
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 30 15:38:31 1993
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From: rsrose@juliet.caltech.edu (Randy Rose 818-395-3840)
Newsgroups: mlist.lro
Subject: Past Posts
Date: 30 Sep 1993 13:21 PDT
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Does anyone have a log of the posts from 27,28,29 September? Our server was
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Thanks,
Randy Rose -- True Land-Rover Junkie with a 1957 107 Station Wagon
Pasadena, California
(818)395-3840
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