From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Mar 1 05:39:31 1993
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Door Seals
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 11:28:58 GMT
Dushin,
Craddocks do supply rubber door seals (which is what we call them if
I havent got it totally wrong).However,I am almost certain that the
sealing strip is not predrilled wherever you get it from.Seal strip
for a S111 should fit 2's,2A's or 3's.I've never heard of anyone having
great trouble refitting this stuff.Was yours imported,or made out there?
The only problem I have come across is the bit that goes from the
windscreen base down the wing to the floor.It tends to get nipped by the
curved bit of the door,and stick out,thus actively channeling water inside.
Apparently you are supposed to stick this bit down with masking tape until
it "remembers"its shape.The other method I have seen used is to fit it
backwards,i.e with the lip pointing forwards.It works,too!
In fact I can see the S11A now from my office window in the next car park
to mine.
Must admit I've never heard of *white* seats before.Wonder how long they
stayed white on a farm?Could have been ordered specially I suppose.It
would be interesting to find out what colour options Solihull *did* offer
as standard,and whether "specials" were available at extra cost.
Raises a whole new vista.Land Rovers with Connolly hide seats......whoo!
Sheer decadence:-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth ('70 88" which he reupholstered himself.Who says blokes cant
drive hand powered sewing machines?)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Mar 1 17:19:00 1993 Return-Path: <@UA1VM.UA.EDU:MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 17:02:05 CST From: Mike Davis <MDAVIS@ua1vm.ua.edu> Subject: LR's for Farm Use To: lro@transfer.stratus.com I have heard a fair amount on the list about folks using their LR's for duties commonly assigned to tractors. Am I interpreting these comments correctly? What kind of work can one do with an LR? Can I avoid buying a tractor for bushhogging and occasional disking? Am I nuts? Thanks
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 02:12:27 1993 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Land Rovers in farms... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 08:07:24 GMT From: scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com >I have heard a fair amount on the list about folks using their LR's for duties >commonly assigned to tractors. Am I interpreting these comments correctly? >What kind of work can one do with an LR? Can I avoid buying a tractor for >bushhogging and occasional disking? Am I nuts? When the Land Rover was originally designed, it was intended for farmers. This came about because the Wilkes brothers who conceived it had a WWII Jeep on their farm which was worn out and they needed something to replace it. That, combined with the Rover company needing a stop-gap product after the war, and rationing of steel supplies (hence aluminium bodies), gave rise to the LR. Even the original 80" 1600cc Series I was designed to be able to tackle `light ploughing' (who knows how?). Today, they are usually used to transport equipment, dogs, or a couple of sheep or bags of fertilizer around the farm. In fact, if you say "Land Rover" to most people in Britain, the first thing they will think of is the local farmer's battered old SWB the tootles around with straw sticking out of every orrifice. Out of interest for our American readers, the Range Rover you know today started the same way. It was intended to be able to do the farm Land Rover's jobs by day, but take the farmer out to <wherever farmers go> by night. It even had a "hoseable" interior. It's taken 20 years of evolution for it to migrate to the (completely different), market segment it occupies today... Simon.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 04:49:55 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Farming Rovers To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 10:42:13 GMT I hope Simon wont mind if I expand a bit on what he's said. When the 80" first came out,towed farm implements were almost the same as their horse drawn forebears.Harry Ferguson had yet to invent the three point hydraulic linkage that revolutionised ploughing etc. So all you did was hook the kit on the back of your tractor (or Land Rover),and off you went.Despite this,from what I,ve read there is no record of a Land Rover ever being used for ploughing in anger,or for that matter,in desperation.Of *much* more use were the various PTO applications for driving barn machinery,threshing machines,etc,most of which were originally designed to be driven by steam (which is easily as much fun as even a Land Rover:-)).I think the way to put it is that,in England at any rate,the Land Rover *complemented* the tractor rather than replaced it.I have seen a photo of a S11A ecquipped with the modern three point tractor linkage,but there was no room left behind the cab for anything else.As Simon says the Land Rover became the workhorse on the farm,and was (is) used for any job that doesnt need a tractor.And lets face it,although you *could* take your International 1056 down to the pub after work,you would be much more likely to use the Rover! Even the Land Rover is becoming less farm orientated,though.The current Defenders have only *two* seats in the front,with a silly (IMO) cubby box between.Land Rover have clearly not been to market for a long time,or they would have seen for themselves the SWB with the back full of kids,dogs eggs chickens,hay,straw etc,and with three or even four people crammed in the front seats.The driver *has* to have his elbow out of the window,theres no room for it in the cab.How the hell do they think a fully grown adult can ride on a cubby box?Sign of the times,perhaps. Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 06:18:57 1993 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Land Rovers on farms... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 12:13:10 GMT From: scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com Mike Rooth writes >I hope Simon wont mind if I expand a bit on what he's said. Not at all. Please do. >Defenders have only *two* seats in the front,with a silly (IMO) cubby box Gosh, I love the cubby box in mine. I actually swapped the middle seat in my old SII for a home built cubby-box years before Land Rover came out with them. And have you tried sitting in the middle seat with all those gear levers getting tangled up in your legs? Despite that, your point is well taken, but isn't the middle seat still an option on new vehicles? I can well remember travelling with my brother, both of us aged <8, both strapped into the centre seat of a SIII. >The driver *has* to have his elbow out of the window What I *DO* miss in the current vehicles are the old sliding windows. Yes, wind-up ones may be `modern', but they are much more difficult to open/close, more drafty, and you can't put your arm out without having them fully open. I have seriously considered retro-fitting sliding windows from a military 90, which for a while still had them. Simon.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 08:49:47 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: 90 to be imported
In-Reply-To: Your message of "22 Feb 93 09:13:27 MST."
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 09:42:39 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
>> I don't know if this is general knowledge or not but I saw in a couple of
>> articles while doing some searching on Lexus that Land Rover is talking
>> about importing a 90 to complement the 110 they brought over earlier. List
>> ~ $30,000 with V8, 4 wheel disk brakes, and soft top. Greg
Looks like Greg spotted it first, somewhere...
Autoweek, 15 Feb, states that LRNA will be importing some Defender 90"s,
for ~30,000, basically stripped versions (compared to the 110's they
brought in), which will include cloth seats. Dealers will be able
to run the prices up $5,000 with options such as Bull Bars and winches.
--bill wpc@caloccia.net caloccia@Stratus.Com
N R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase
| +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." '69 Mk.IIa 88"
OD 2 4 4 L land-rover-owners-request@Team.Net
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 09:03:11 1993
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To: scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Land Rovers on farms...
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Mar 93 12:13:10 GMT."
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 09:55:33 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
>The driver *has* to have his elbow out of the window
> What I *DO* miss in the current vehicles are the old sliding windows.
> Yes, wind-up ones may be `modern', but they are much more difficult to
> open/close, more drafty, and you can't put your arm out without having
> them fully open. I have seriously considered retro-fitting sliding
> windows from a military 90, which for a while still had them.
> Simon.
Do I take that to mean that you can't remove the door tops on the
newer vehicles ?
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 09:27:58 1993 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Door Tops Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 15:22:49 GMT From: scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com > Do I take that to mean that you can't remove the door tops on the > newer vehicles ? That's right. For a while after they introduced wind-up windows (about 5 years ago), they fitted a galvanised (now painted!), trim piece across the one-piece doors to make them look like two-piece. Then they gave up the pretence and just left the surface of the door above the `flare' smooth. All the old galvanised body cappings are now painted instead (bumpers are black, the rest are body colour). Mine were going rusty after about a year. Ah well... Simon.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 2 11:09:51 1993
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 08:59:54 -0800
From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>
To: MDAVIS@ua1vm.ua.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: LR's for Farm Use
The Land Rover has one .. well two very serious drawbacks to being the
Farmers best friend. One it does not have a three point hitch, two
you can't hook a front loader to it. There is supposed to be an
optional rear PTO you can get for a Land Rover, but I've never seen one,
nor have I seen on listed for sale. The three point hitch is what allows
you to lift an implement; a box scraper when you have come to the end
of your cut, a post hole digger inbetween holes, a disk at the end of a
row or when you want to turn. Without a three point hitch, about the only
usful implements are old horse drawn, or pre-WWII tractor implements {they
didn't have 3 point hitches on most tractors back then}.
Mind you, my Land Rover has been a big help supplimenting my tractor,
but it could never replace it. My 109 holds 7 bales of hay with a full top
on. Alomst every weekend for 14 years it has been filled with 7 bales of hay,
and a number of bags of grain. It holds 5 adult goats easily for long trips
& in a pinch you can stuff 10 or so for a short trip.
I have used the winch atached to a board clamp to strach fence when stringing
it. I have had the LR filled up to the roof with manure while mucking the
barn (Thankfully it is spartin enough to hose out). I have had
it filled with frshly cut firewood numerous times. Its been usefull
once or twice on winching the tractor out of tight spaces {On the
flip side the tractor's front bucket has been used as a cherry picker for
engines}.
Since I sold the goat herd, the Land Rover has retired to a life of taking the
great Pyrenese for rides, and me out to take photos, and the Tractor is up
for sale {if I ever get around to advertizing it}. SHe has worked hard for
14 years & very much deserves the new engine and rebult transmission
she is getting.
A Land Rover is not good at the things a tractor is good at, but then again,
a tractor is not good at the things a Land Rover is good at. If you are in
to agraculture, its best to have both!
TeriAnn
And have I got this deal for you on a good condition Ford 631 tractor
with front loader, post hole digger, 7 foot scraper, rear fork lift.
and single point plow ....
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 3 16:57:12 1993 Return-Path: <@UA1VM.UA.EDU:MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 93 16:43:49 CST From: Mike Davis <MDAVIS@ua1vm.ua.edu> Subject: Land Rovers on Farms To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Thanks to Mike, Teriann, and Simon for clearing this up for me. Now I know what you mean, I guess can't get around purchasing a tractor to do tractor work. Makes perfect sense now. Mike
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 3 21:24:35 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 03:12:03 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: farmers friends I'd of liked to get my two cents worth in on this farmer talk but alas, I seem to be a bit late (been REAL busy and haven't got to play with my mail). About all I'd like to add to all your insightfull comments is the following: to Simon's comment: <I can well remember travelling with my brother, both of us aged <8, both strapped into the centre seat of a SIII. This reminded me of many a day cramped in the front of the family's first '88 (a '60). We didn't have seatbelts in that rig, and you had to get quickly used to the 'rent elbow smashing into you upon any abrubt decelleration, not to mention bashing into the dash and other assorted internal components. On the farm, the most prized spots were a) in the rear seat where you got to watch the manure fly high and occasionally directly at you, and b) within the tyre on the bonnet (the dah used to let us ride there in exchange for an occasional but timely warning about any upcoming obstructions-rocks mostly....not that the rover wouldn't clear them, but mostly because the manure spreader, with a 14 inch sprocket-that drove the guts of it-about a 16 inch wheel, would not). THOSE were the days. and to TerriAnn's: <And have I got this deal for you on a good condition Ford 631 tractor with front loader, post hole digger, 7 foot scraper, rear fork lift. and single point plow .... If you'd consider bringing the whole thing east......... (We currently struggle with a '39 Ford 9N and a mid 50's Ferguson TO30. The underpowered and overburdened 9N does the bucketloading work, while the Fergy does most of the haycutting/bailing.)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Mar 4 10:23:24 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: LR's for Farm Use From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 22:51:03 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Mike Davis <MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU> writes: > I have heard a fair amount on the list about folks using their LR's for dutie > commonly assigned to tractors. Am I interpreting these comments correctly? > What kind of work can one do with an LR? Can I avoid buying a tractor for > bushhogging and occasional disking? Am I nuts? In the history of the Land Rover, it states that the original idea behind the vehicle was not only to be a replacement for the Willy's Jeep, but to also serve as a tractor for the mechanisation of farms. The LR has the pto output points available to handle older, non-specific, farm machinery. If you wish to use a LR for this purpose, providing the furrows are spaced properly, you can use it this way. BTW, the width of a LR was arrived at by Rover sending people out to the farms in England and measuring the average width of stone gates into fields. The LR was designed to fit through the majority of them. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Mar 11 04:36:38 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Side Windows in 88" To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 10:28:19 GMT I have recently bought a pair of side windows (non-opening type) for my currently "blind" hardtop.They were on special offer at 6pounds ea as against 35 puonds each,(fitting rubber not included).They are actually made,I think,for army 109" FFR hardtops,to which were fitted two each side,but will fit an 88" nicely.Has anyone ever fitted such windows,and, if so,come across snags etc that I should be aware of before I take the nibblers to my top?Any warnings,tips,how to's gratefully received.The windows are 27 1/2" long by just over 11" deep. Thanks Mike Rooth (88" S11A hardtop,shortly to see the light!)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Mar 12 16:00:58 1993 Return-Path: <0002995555@mcimail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 21:42 GMT From: "Sheldon T. Hall" <0002995555@mcimail.com> To: Aa Fake Address <lro@transfer.stratus.com> Subject: Test - please ignore Sorry to waste bandwidth; I'm just testing the link from here to there.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Mar 15 10:49:24 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: An engine is swapped... From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 22:33:29 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec The week started out, with the realisation that not only was the temperature dropping from last weekends 30f to a midweek 14f, but that the state of the garaged beast was unsuitable to that agreeded upon for a planned engine swap. That I was coming down with the flu didn't seem to bode well for the coming week. Monday night I shovelled out the driveway from the second dump of snow in three days. What is another two feet of snow, from the previous Friday dump of 2-3 feet... Tuesday showed more snow to deal with (only about six - eight inches this time), but hey, I was getting into practice. An hour of shovelling and I was ready to take on the Land Rover... There it sat upon its axle stands, without brakes, hubs, and a still attached front coweling and right wing. Off to work in the frigid night I went. One evening replacing the rear brakes, hubs and drums. What came off very easily with a crowbar, did not go back so happily. Yes, I am referring to those over built springs holding the shoes together. (Why is it that 99% of the work I have done on the Land Rover has occured at a maximum temperature of 25f?. Maybe the summer Mini should suffer for a few weeks in the summer, so more important things can be done.) Wednesday evening, I decided to at least present the appearence of progress. in other words, I probably should put the rear wheels back on, completing that task, before moving forward. A slight problem came to light. The four tyres leaning against the garage wall had several planks across the top of them. Atop these planks was my table of parts and tools. On the far side of the 109 was another table, (wedged between a stored Mini and the LAnd Rover) covered with the assorted junk of several years piled high. Thus an evening was spent sorting out, and cleaning one table to make room for the LR table to be moved. Many hours later, the rear wheels were attached and I went off to bed. Thursday evening was written off by the flu, now raging in full force. People were beginging to make fun of me at work in my sorry state, and several project deadlines kept me away from bed where I probably should have been. No work that evening. Friday could have been a repeat of Thursday, but the engine swap was now twenty four hours away. A snow storm in the States moving north? Naw, the club members were coming in Land Rovers. They would be there, and this has been planned since the beginning of January. Thus again, did I trek out into the garage. This evening was to be the front end, readying the vehicle for the anticipated 10am arrival of the club members. So off to put the front brakes on. After putting one side on, in the same order that it gets taken off, I discovered that the flexible hose should be attached to the wheel cylinder first, then the stationary line (not the other way around <sigh>), and that one should not snuggly put on the lower wheel cylinder before one tried to put on the connecting pipe from top to bottom cylinder <double sigh>. I then spent quite a while sworking at the springs as I tried to get the shoes onto their mounting points. Now for the drum to go on. Would it fit? Of course not. The adjustors, those happy items that I had ignored for the past three years were adjusted all the way out, and the new shoes were just a wee git to wide. Let us just say that they did succumb to my assault. Not to put the hubs back on... Terryann, you had an excellent method for adjusting the large nut, by looking for a shimmer in the grease and you wiggled the hub. It worked perfectly on a rear hub, as I had replaced that one as a test back in September. You can imagine how well the method works, and how well grease slides when the temperature of everything is in the mid teens... At 2am, I called it a night, the left tyre on the vehicle, the right ready to go on. I left the right off, as I knew that it would just get in the way in removing the right wing the next morning. So inside I went, boiled up some water, added rum and lemon and went to bed. Saturday had arrived. At 7am I dragged myself out of bed, and went to work on the Land Rover. No, the temperature had not improved any, the weather station was giving out yet another blizzard warning (what a wimp of a blizzard it turned out to be too...) and settled in on removing the coweling and wing. By 8am David Huddleson (british cars mailing list, TR-8 nut and wannabe Land Rover owner) had shown up and the race to remove the wing was on. 28 years of rust on the bolts didn't stop us, and by 10 am the wing and coweling was off, just as the first Land Rover showed up, bearing extra tooks and an engine crane. Shortly there after, a second LR, and several other vehicles arrived, bringing our party to six, the rest chickening out in the face of a bunch of fear mongering stories from the weather service. we undid all the ancillary bits that were still attached to the engine, removed that starter, undid all of the bolts holding the gearbox in place, got the engine ccrane under the vehicle, a chain attached, and quickly pulled the engine. (moving the engine crane back across packed snow in the front of the driveway was fun and required the massed manpower that was about). It was at this time that we discovered that the engine mounts were shot, and we had no replacements. (Next week, yeah right...) While the engine was being prepared for the lift out, we also manhandled the replacement engine from its corner in the garage (a chain and a 2x4 and two people served to drag it across the gravel floor into the driveway) Out there, the shattered cover plate was removed was well as a very sorry looking clutch plate. When the dead engine was pulled, the cover and clutch plate were in such good condition (the previous owners estimate, or claim or replacement 100 miles before it was laid up turned out to be pretty accurate) that they were fitted onto the new engine. On interesting thing that we did, that I would not have thought of, was to take a spare gearshaft and shove it through the cover and clutch plates and into the engine before bolting the thing together. No adjustment or pain need be experienced when it came to mating the engine to the gearbox. This much done, we retreated into the house for a couple pots of hot coffee and tea, discussions of Land Rovers, where the two wannabe owners should go and get one, and where we had obtained our collections of them. (two people had three, a second had five, and I am planning on a second) It was generally agreed that the maximum price one should pay for a good condition working Land Rover was about $3-4k and the price list from Rovers North is way out of line. Catalogues from PAddock and Merseyside were examined and and prices compared to RN. Big difference, including duty & shipping. Upon returning out side, the time had come to put the engine back in the vehicle. The crane was dragged/wheeled across the snow and positioned in place to drop the engine. With little pain the engine slid into place, and the nuts on the bell housing tightened so there is only a 1/4" gap for me to play with over the next week or two. A timely retreat, this time for beer was called... By 6pm, all had fled, and I could continue to nurse my flu in peace. Thus, the current status is that the hydraulic system needs to be filled and bled, the ancillary bits added and connected to the engine, the wings and coweling reattached, and it is off to the races. On down point was a bell housing filled with the remains of dried 90wt oil. Seems the bearing at the end of the gearbox is loose and needs to be replaced. Another dockyard job. Maybe it is time to go back to Hallsville and pick up that extra gearbox sitting around at a cost of $0.00. (I knew I should have taken it last September when I had the chance) So, after months of procastination, some progress has been made and an end is in sight, the major stumbling block out of the way. In two or three weeks, the dead engine is of to get rebored, and a spare will be awaiting the next transplant session. Next months technical session will be engine tuning, but unfortunately it will not be here, but at a garage in Ottawa. Oh well, there is the club Maple Syrup Rally to a maple sugar farm about 20 miles from here in the middle of April to aim for... :-) Rgds, Dixon '64 109" -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Mar 15 11:57:55 1993
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 17:23:33 GMT
From: moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV)
To: lro@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: Replacing brake shoes
> I then spent quite a while sworking at the springs as I tried to
> get the shoes onto their mounting points. Now for the drum to go on.
> Would it fit? Of course not.
I've found that the claw end of a hammer makes the perfect tool for
mangleing the shoes into position on the brake cylinders.
As for the rest of the description, thanks Dixon. It's nice to see
another beasty on its way to road worthiness.
Mark
--0-
moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA - Boulder, CO USA
1961 Land Rover 109 1967 Triumph TR6C
1974 Norton Commando (soon)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 16 09:27:50 1993
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Subject: British parts suppliers
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:13:52 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
As several have asked, here are the addresses of Paddock and Merseyside.
Both operations have been dealt with by members of OVLR and they have no
complaints that I have heard of from either of them. Both of these firms
will send you a free catalogue. A third large parts supplier, Craddock
will not have a catalogue available for another three months or so.
A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd.
The Showground, The Cliff
Matlock, United Kingdom
DE4 5EW
tel 0629 584499
fax 0629 584498
Merseyside Land Rover Services Ltd.
Bridge Industrial Estate
Speke Hall Road, Speke (Nr. Airport)
Liverpool, United Kingdom
L24 9HE
tel 051 486 8636
fax 051 486 5986
Rgds,
Dixon
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 16 09:58:12 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Replacing brake shoes From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:05:45 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV) writes: > I've found that the claw end of a hammer makes the perfect tool for > mangleing the shoes into position on the brake cylinders. Hmmm, Never thought of that... I have been used to the Mini where a screw driver will work easy wonders. If the end of the shoe had been a straight edge, I would have had fewer problems, but being angled, things tended to slip off. I'll have to try the hammer approach next time, though hopefully it will not be for a while. Yeah, with the hammer available, you can do some bashing when one begins to get frustrated... :-) Rgds, Dixon BTW, We are expecting yet another 8 inches of snow tomorrow... <triple sigh> -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
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Subject: British parts suppliers
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:13:52 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
As several have asked, here are the addresses of Paddock and Merseyside.
Both operations have been dealt with by members of OVLR and they have no
complaints that I have heard of from either of them. Both of these firms
will send you a free catalogue. A third large parts supplier, Craddock
will not have a catalogue available for another three months or so.
A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd.
The Showground, The Cliff
Matlock, United Kingdom
DE4 5EW
tel 0629 584499
fax 0629 584498
Merseyside Land Rover Services Ltd.
Bridge Industrial Estate
Speke Hall Road, Speke (Nr. Airport)
Liverpool, United Kingdom
L24 9HE
tel 051 486 8636
fax 051 486 5986
Rgds,
Dixon
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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 16 12:18:46 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 10:08:57 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: British parts suppliers Changing the subject.... I'm looking for the following parts: 109 rear drive shaft with good condition splines 109 front drive shaft (takes the larger 'U' joint) with splines in good condition. Radiator in very good condition (mine is sprouting cracks in brass top at corners). Both rear side doors from a 4 door 109, good condition above the galvanized horz. trim, can be trashed below the line (looks like I want to cut the tops off to make a weird top for a 109 pickup). Dixon, that donnor LR near you have these parts? Anyone? TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 16 17:29:19 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 23:15:10 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: farmers revisited Been real busy as usual and haven't had the chance to respond to TeriAnn's: >Geeee I I thought I was the only one who ever towed a manure spreader with a Land Rover. Our big snowfall is about to melt....the $hit will be flyin' in these parts real soon! >Alas, it would be cheaper to purchase one in your area than for me to have it shipped. Yes, this is true....besides I have this god forsaken trait of being a glutten for punishment and want something older.....perhaps an ol' 8N to round out the collection (and take on the bucket loader that weights down the poor old 9N....the Lord loader we have was made for an 8N anyway). Much congrads to Dixon for getting the beast breathable again. I presume you placed the new motor atop the wasted mounts, no?? I recently did the mounts in Nigel and the driver's side (US model) was not easy....nimble fingers and an ideal bend on the box end were required to fix the top nut and washers on the bracket (bracket-to-motor, not motor mount to frame). You may not have experienced that problem upon disassembly since the motor came up and out. Good luck and be patient. As for tips on brake shoes....I have found that an old trick used on motor- cycle brake shoes can work on rovers as well. Take both shoes and place the springs upon them, in concert put the top ends into their positions on the wheel cylinders, place one shoe on its lower pivot, then pries the other onto its pivot. Be careful not to mangle or break the slots on the piston of the wheel cylinders while you do this....a good initial starting point and a steady hand are essential. I have found that it is easier to pries the shoe with springs attached than to futz around trying to get a spring into its hole....bloody knuckles usually follow. And about that Norton Commando out there....buy it! I got one on the line myself and am thinkin' it might line the entry hallway of my dreamhome someday-that is, if I can ever get it to stop leaking! rdushin/nigel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 17 10:31:36 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: British parts suppliers From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 19:32:46 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: [TeriAnn] As of October when I was last there, and with the massive piles of snow, I will be unable to check for another month or so, but with those limitations... > 109 rear drive shaft with good condition splines > 109 front drive shaft (takes the larger 'U' joint) with splines in good > condition. Yes and yes. > Radiator in very good condition (mine is sprouting cracks in brass top > at corners). No. > Both rear side doors from a 4 door 109, good condition above the > galvanized horz. trim, can be trashed below the line (looks like I want > to cut the tops off to make a weird top for a 109 pickup). Yes. As above, it will be a month before I can confirm if these parts are actually still there. As for other parts, aparently a garage some 300 miles from here wishes to donate a lorry load of parts to the club. More on this in the months to come... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
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Subject: Land Rover Defender oddball but practical
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 20:03:40 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
From: Toronto Star; Wheels section, January 23, 1993
Column: Trucks Plus, by Cam McRae
Title: Land Rover Defender oddball but practical
The Defender 110 is one of the most eccentric vehicles I've ever driven.
Yes, even more so than the Citroens, Subarus, Ladas, hot rods, inept
homebuilts and cranky race cars.
This attention-grabbing amalgam of an ancient body and modern
underpinnings, festooned with umpteen metres of steel tube, is delightfully
oddball.
Oddball?
Well, how many vehicles can you list that make use of a body style
essentially unchanged for more than 40 years? Crafted in aluminium? And
in a shape that is instantly recognizable as the supporting character in a
thousand wildlife shows?
Add to that an "expedition cage" and cargo rack originally designed for a
little excursion entitled the Paris-Moscow-Beijing Rally, and you've got a
hey-look-at-me device unmatched by anything else on the road.
I felt less conspicuous driving around in a fully be-decalled Player's/GM
Motorsport Challenge Camero with the exhaust caps open.
Perhaps that's the point. The Defender will certainly make its presence
felt in the parking lot of any ski resort, golf club, horse farm or marina.
Can you imagine passing the LAnd Rover keys to a parking valet? Panache or
what?
Panache or not, for those whose needs are more practical, the 110 is
practical in the extreme. The underpinnings are familiar Range Rover
stuff; robust ladder frame; straight axles; deep, compliant coil springs.
Even the anti-roll bar and the German Boge load-levelling device have been
carried over from the Defender's luxo-brother.
The result is legendary off-road proficiency combined with adequately
civilized highway manners.
The Range Rover also supplies the 110 with a 180 horsepower 3.9 L V-8 that
might haul the bix box up to as much as 140 km/h (87 mph). Anything over
100, however, gets a bit noisy.
Off the pavement, the 227 pounds-feet of torque are assisted by a five
speed manual transmission and a two speed transfer case that, with the 3.54
final drive, can provide an over-all ratio in first gear of 43:1.
Properly driven, a Defender should be able to go darn near anywhere.
Convenient, if the path between your house and horse barn includes a
granite hill and a section of muskeg.
But it won't go into most parking garages in Toronto. Barred, as it were,
by the 90 inch (227 centimetre) height of that otherwise very practical
cargo basket.
The rest of the cage structure is pure whimsy. I can't imagine bouncing
the Defender on its roof hard enough to need all that protection.
Whimsy, however, does not quite capture the flavour of some of the
interior appointments. Eccentric is as kind as I can be. Dumb is more
like it, at least with regard to the controls and instruments, which are
haphazardly grouped or strewn across the dash.
Land Rover has a history of ill-designed dashboards, but this one is simply
undesigned. The various components are just stuck where they happen to
fit. The minute, cute, 52 millimetre (two-inch) tachometer manages to be
both dumb and eccentric.
The steering wheel is contrastingly huge, but there is no panic handle for
the passenger and no left-foot dead pedal bracing point for the driver.
Unfortunately, seating comfort cascades downward as we move to the rear,
passing a just adequate bench on the way to four rear jump seats that are
side mounted, facing each other. Don't accept a ride back there.
Although 110-inch (279 cm) wheelbase Land Rovers are common in the rest of
the world, the Defender 110 is a North American model, equpiied with
heating and sound system to suit.
Only 500 have been imported, a numbered collector's series, with a mere 25
coming to Canada.
Since they rolled off the boat in November, almost three-quarters of
Canada's allotment has been sold.
If profound eccentricity and one-in-25 exclusivity appeal, your Defender
110 awaits, $55,875, in a colour choise of white, white or white. Be the
first on your block.
- 30 -
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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
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Subject: February Newsletter, OVLR
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 20:28:51 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
Note: A month and a half late. Well I have been busy recently... :-)
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OTTAWA VALLEY LAND ROVERS
1016 NORNANDY CRESCENT, OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA K2C OL4
8 FEBRUARY 1993
G'day eh.
McD GOES ON ELEVEN MONTH SABBATICAL......Mike is going to have a
brief respite from his formal duties with OVLR. Rumour has it,
that Mike and Kelsey are going on holiday this winter. Mike's
travel agent (BATES) is looking for a nice warm spot for Mike and
Kelsey to watch the world from. The problem is, Bates is missing.
He was last reported in the southern U.S. Mike is sure he will hear
from Bates soon. Mike has promised Bates he will not remove the
shifting spanner from his NEW radiator until he hears from him.
Mike's news letter duties will be split between David Meadows,
General Editor and Robin Craig, Technical Editor. To think it will
take two to replace you Mike, must make you feel an inch or two
taller.
THANRS MIKE for the many hours you have spent on behalf of OVLR.
SOME THOUGHTS FRON THE EDITOR...Although some may disagree, I for
one, am convinced that Land Rover automotive engineers must have
started with Meccano Sets. The two technologies are certainly
similar. In both cases, you start with a large bag of nuts and
bolts complete with a zillion different washers, keeps etc.,then
stuff them in suitable holes in bits of steel, iron and aluminum.
With any luck you will end up with the worlds most versatile
vehicle. The vehicle generates so much interest that clubs such
OLVR come into existence.
CANADIAN RANGE ROVER SALES.......Land Rover Canada reports brisk
sales of Range Rovers in Canada. The short wheelbase Country at
$59 000 and long wheelbase model at $64k are in demand. Alan
Manessy, General Manager of Land Rover Canada is quoted as saying
"We can't supply demand at the moment," Cheer up chaps, until now
you thought the hard part was finding the money.
OVLR BIRTHDAY PARTY....This year is Birthday Party Number 10. The
event is scheduled for the 11,12 and 13th of June. Mark your
calendar now for a weekend of good fellowship, fun, food, and Land
Rovering. Vice-President Harry has given Bates the responsibility
of camp security. Bates assures us any marauding bears will be shot
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A WORD FROM THE PRESIDENT....The way I view the club is... a medium
through which local Land Rover owners can help each other. (From
the CONSTITUTION - THE OBJECTIVES of the club shall be: to promote,
support and protect the interests of Land Rovers and their owners
in the Ottawa Valley.) I see members grabbing the phone list and
call other members simply asking for help lifting and fitting a
transmission, picking up an engine... The worst (or almost worst)
that can be answered is NO. Don't feel shy asking: the guy/gal may
need your help the following weekend!
One striking fact about our group is how heterogeneous-or eclectic,
I should say-it is. People of all backgrounds love Land Rovers and
this is true in our club inasmuch as it is all over the world.
This means that all of us have something to offer. Please don't
think that you can't help the rest of us because you have no
mechanical knowledge or little skills. Nothing can be further from
the truth! Anybody can help bolt-in a seat box and floor boards or
bleed brakes. Some jobs will be more than two times faster with
one helper (imagine more than one!). The point is that it is much
more fun to do while sharing a brew and a good chat. And the same
is true for the help you can provide to your executive. YOU may be
the expert word processor we need, the pre-event phone caller we
always look for, a bush-survival expert that can give us a session,
an expert on plants, rocks, beer... Your contribution is important
so that executive members don't run out of gas... The more everyone
does, the less each one has to do. With this in mind, the
newsletter crew will be calling a couple of (different) members
each month, soliciting 60 to 90 minutes of their time after which
we traditionally have a bite and a b... (BYOB).
In 1993, OVLR members should see a whole bunch of activities
offered to them... A series of technical sessions are in the
planning and more frequent off-road events are being considered.
Moreover, the club's 10th anniversary will be celebrated this
summer: BIG BASH! (probably the weekend of June 11,12 AND 13). We,
the executive crew, will attempt to let you know well in advance
about the date of each event in order to keep you from outside
engagements. By the way, the Christmas party will be held on
Friday December 3rd-with a real cook behind it-at the same location.
Members, this club is yours! To stay together and grow, this club
will always need new ideas. Please do not hesitate to write to us,
call a member of the executive with your suggestions, or, even
better, come to the exec. meeting-the first Wednesday each month,
7:00 pm-and share your views. (For members interested in a ride,
don't be shy to call other members that can pick you up on their
way.) Don't forget that we are working for you and that, in order
to do a good job, we need to know what you would like done.
YVE8 FORTIN, PRE8IDENT, OTTAWA VALLEY LAND ROVER8
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GENERAL 8ERVICE by ROBIN CRAIG....It certainly pays to get out and
about. The other weekend I was in Russell so I arranged to call in
on OVLR member Tony Fowler and family. Last year while in Scotland
he had the chance to sit in a Cuthbertson tracked 109" Series 2.
This track system was designed to fit onto the vehicle to give it
improved cross country performance. All wheels are removed and
replaced with drive cogs which power individual tracks at each
corner of the vehicle. The whole vehicle is supported on a
subframe. The steering system is unchanged as the tracks are only
under each wheel. Wanting to share this with us, Tony took
photographs of it from all different angles including the running
gear underneath. Lastly, he used slide film rather than prints,
which those of us who collect pictures appreciate. I'll try to put
a Picture in next months issue.
If you have not seen the Fowler family NADA 109" station wagon
around that is because it has been sent south of the border into
Vermont where Tony keeps a cottage. A very smart blue 88" station
wagon has replaced it in the driveway. Hope to see it out and about
this year.
Gerry Dowell was looking into buying a 109" Dormobile in Quebec
somewhere, if it is good enough he plans to put it back on the road
complete. Michelie Bertrand one of our newer (hence more
enthusiastic) members also in Quebec at school in Montreal. He
linked up with member Denis Chartier who got rid of both his Land
Rovers a couple of years ago and has now replaced them with a pair
of Range Rovers. He says, that his '87 Range Rover is more reliable
and comfortable than his Land Rovers were. He says, that his wife
approves of them more as well.
Michelle Bertrand suffered the indignity of having the family
Suburban stolen whilst in Montreal the other week. It was found a
few hours later with some damage to the interior. If you'd been in
the 109 they would never have taken it Michelle!
Not one to waste his time, Michelle spends his spare time combing
the Quebec countryside looking for Land Rovers. His hard work paid
off the other week when he found a Series 3, 88" Station Wagon in
uze at a locai car garage. It has not been butchered or had Iots of
ugly bits added. It looks completely original and has been kept
indoors every night. It has only 7,000 miles on it which appear to
be absolutely genuine! The owner of the garage has no intentions of
selling so please leave him alone folks.
Michelle and I are doing some research into the numbers of
remaining Rovers around in Eastern Ontario and Western Quebec. If
you get a call please try to help if you can with the few details
that we need. Thank you all in advance.
There has been precious little happening elsewhere on the military
scene lately. Hence the emphasis on local stuff.
ROBIN
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CLUB EVENTS.... The Executive have been busy planning a minimum of
one club outing for eAch month.
MARCH.... Engine swap at Dixon Renner's place is scheduled for the
second weekend in March. Why not come out a learn from Ted Rose and
Jason Dowell how to properly swap an engine!!!! Dixon is located
neAr Aylmer P.Q. More details in the next news letter.
APRIL.... Maple 8yrup Rally. V-P, Chef Harry will prepare a feast
to remember. Bring the family. We understand Harry has enroled
Bates in A six week sausage cooking course. More details later.
MAY....sounds like A good time for an engine tune-up. Our two
trusty mechanics, Ted and Jason will conduct an engine tuning
session. Bring yourself, your Land Rover and some old cloths.
Just think how good you will feel when the constable gives you a
ticket for speeding in 25 MPH zone. We guarantee a better running
vehicle and lots of grease under your finger nails. An OFF-ROAD
event is also planned for May. More details later.
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NEWS...FOR 8ALE...NEW MEMBERS
MEMBER8HIP RENEWAL.... If you have a friend who is wondering what
happened to his OVLR NEWS LETTER, and you have yours, ask him if he
remembers sending in his measly fee of fifteen dollars. Remember
your fifteen is used exclusively for this magnificent NEWS LETTER.
No PAY....NO READ!!!!
FOR SALE.... 1974 SIII 88" STATION WAGON, rebuilt engine, solid
frame. Call or write, David Bateman, 4324 Beaconsfield Avenue,
Montreal, PQ, H4A 2H6. Tel. (514) 481-3152.
FOR SALE....SNOW BLOWER Contact V-P, Harry Bligh, RR 6, Smith
Falls Ont. K7A 4S7 Tel. (613) 284-0228. Harry claims the snow
blower is in perfect condition because it has only been used in the
summer.
BULK PARTS PURCHASE.... If you are interested, contact Rob Ferguson
NEXT EXECUTIVE MEETING.... Wednesday, 3 March 1993, at the Papagus,
281 Kent Street. Tel. (613) 233-3626. The meeting is now on the
first Wednesday rather than the first Tuesday of each month. All
members and quests are welcome.
HATS AND OTHER STUFF FOR SALE...Why don't you get on the phone and
buy some of this quality merchandise. We will be forever grateful
if you call Tom Mayor and make him an offer he can't refuse.
NEW MEMBERS....
Don Miller, of Regina is a new associate member. Don has a 1955
Series I in the process of restoration.
Rob Ferguson, of Kanata is a new member. Rob has Series IIA, 88"
he is trying to bend back into shape.
Land Rover Canada Inc. is a new associate member. When can I order
my new Defender 90 TDI or should I plan on a Discovery ???
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DOWNEAST LANDROVER
RALLY....
I have been to
Owls Head and
toured the museum.
There is a fine
collection of [graphic of the event poster]
automobiles and
aircraft well [event is at Owl's Head, Maine]
displayed. The
Land Rover part
sounds like fun.
Any takers for
the expedition?
Roy Bailie is in the early stages of organizing
a Land Rover group tour of England in 1994. The tour is open to all
people who are interested in Land Rovers. The plan is to fly as a
group from Canada and then embark on a tour, hitting the Land Rover
high spots. The possibility of a visit to the Land Rover Works and
the Land Rover Owner weekend show exists. There is going to be free
time available to do as you like. All we need to get started is
a show of interest from Land Rover types by sending the attached
information slip to Roy Bailie. This has to be a pay now fly later
arrangement. You will be expected to make monthly payments that are
refundable up to the cut off date.
CUT HERE AND SEND TO ROY BAILIE
Name _____________________________________ COMMENTS ______________
Address __________________________________ _______________________
Post Code/Zip ____________________________ _______________________
Tel. No. _________________________________ _______________________
How many People __________________________ _______________________
Send to Roy Bailie
1074 Wiseman Crescent
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada. KlZ 8J4
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FROM THE ROVER REGISTER OF ALBERTA....OFF-ROAD DRIVING TIPS
1. When winching or towing hang a heavy item like a coat or blanket
over the chain, rope or cable. That way if it breaks,it is more
likely to hit the ground sooner, rather than coming back through
your windshield or radiator. It is easier to get the coat cleaned
than rebuilding your rad (or face for that matter).
2. When driving through the woods watch out for the dreaded
suicidal trees. These trees were unheard of until the early part of
this century, but have claimed many victims since then. They jump
out in your way, never out of your way.
3. When driving on steep angles or side slopes make sure that
anything you are hauling can not move around in the vehicle. A
sudden transfer of weight can make the difference of traversing the
hill and turning over. Keep the wife or girlfriend buckled in, or
better yet have her hang out on the high side for counterweight.
NOTE: if you do this make sure she doesn't bang her head on a
marker stick, as this will cost valuable penalty points!!.
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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 17 17:30:10 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 23:18:03 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: radiators Within the last six months or so there have been at least two requests for radiators. About two years ago I picked up a used one for $75 that was pressure tested and thereby "guaranteed" not to leak...it was in decent although not pristine condition and I considered it to be a reasonable deal....I am not certain, but I think at the time new ones WERE still available-are they really THAT hard to come by??? Mine remains a spare so if they are tough to get I'll put it under lock and key. rd
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Mar 19 02:49:23 1993 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Radiators for old Land Rovers. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 08:45:44 GMT From: scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com Following on from Russell Dushin's message about the supply of second-hand radiators in the US, I thought some of you may like to be re-assured that it is still possible to obtain new radiators in the UK. The Series III radiator fits the Series II, and there are so many Series III's (and II's actually), still in everyday use in the UK that supply is no problem at all. I would have thought that anybody REALLY needing one wouldn't find it too hard to persuade a UK dealer to ship one (I know of one, MJ Fews in Gloucester, who do ship overseas). Alternatively, is it not possible to obtain parts from the UK via a Range Rover dealer in the US? Of course, a second-hand or US-sourced radiator is bound to be cheaper, but like the men from the big Cola company say, "You can't beat the Real Thing". Simon.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Mar 19 11:06:38 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: radiators From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 23:16:56 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu (dushin russell) writes: > reasonable deal....I am not certain, but I think at the time new ones > WERE still available-are they really THAT hard to come by??? Mine remains > a spare so if they are tough to get I'll put it under lock and key.
From Merseyside they are 66 pounds, from Paddocks 62 pounds, and from Rovers North US$269 in there 1991 catalogue <ahem> Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Mar 19 13:28:06 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 08:14:47 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com Subject: Re: Radiators for old Land Rovers. Simon, Rovers North advertizes a new series III radiator for $260 + the cost of series III radiator hoses (they are different). I was hoping to find a good series II radiator for around $50. Also, I think I'm the only person asking about radiators. I think the earlier one was mine too. I've known mine was going belly up for sometime. its just when I put the new engine in I do not want all that water messing my nice clean engine. I would ruther do it myself by wading the LR in a river :*) TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 23 04:17:00 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Status report for the Swamp Beast From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 22:48:07 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Well, overall a pretty poor showing this week, vis-a-vis progress on the garaged beast. The rather large snow storm last week resulted in a fair amount of snow getting blown into the garage. I guess the 80 kilometre winds had a little to do with that, as well as some of the larger drifts across the driveway. (An average of three feet there all the way to the road, some 100 feet away) This snow, tied to a recent summer wonderland of California-like temperatures (it went slightly above 32f over the past couple of days) has resulted in the messiest swamp appearing underneath the vehicle. Melting snow, ancient grease and oil all mixed to a sludge that would make British Leyland proud. I will refrain from discussing the additional eight inches of snow we received over the past two days... <ahem> This unsightly mess has produced a reluctance arising from my sub-conscious to actually crawl amoungst the muck to put the nuts in place on the lower half of the bell housing for the gearbox. [Ahh, but there is the Maple Syrup Rally on the 18th of April. Let us hope for a quick freeze before then...] But what have I managed to do. Well, the pedal boxes are in, the master cylinders all hooked into the rest of the hydraulic system, and the clutch has even been bled. [scenes of Dixon stretched across the front seats, one hand on the clutch pedal, the other reaching the other way to play with the bleed nipple] Even the clutch slave has made it into the vehicle. We will omit detailed coverage of the point in time when I *thought* it was all together, poured brake fluid into the can, and then listened to the fluid draining out of the clutch line as I had omitted to put the flexible hose in... There was also the previous incident when I had the brake master all done up and decided to pour some brake fluid into its' half of the can. Unfortunately, I picked the wrong half and the fluid promptly fell out through the bottom. I managed to correct that mistake rather quickly though... <cough> No matter, all I need now is a second sucker, er, person, and the LR will have brakes. Not that it will be going anywhere... Maybe it is time to take a look at the electrical system. There is an aspect that I have never examined... Engine mounts. Now there is amnother thing that I forgot to order last week. US$8.75 from RN. Not bad I guess, but at 1.45 pounds I know where the next set will be coming from... Spark plugs. Hmmm, anyone know which size they are off hand? Rgds from the frozen North... Dixon PS, It is snowing outside again... <sigh> -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 23 08:50:31 1993
Return-Path: <moore@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 14:32:25 GMT
From: moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV)
To: lro@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: Brake Bleeding
> Subj: Status report for the Swamp Beast
>
> No matter, all I need now is a second sucker, er, person, and the LR will
> have brakes. Not that it will be going anywhere...
>
Brake bleeding. I'd rather have root canal than have to even _think_
about it.
On the ole 109", bleeding the rears, the master, the clutch and the
slave all went swimmingly. What hung me? The massive dual cylinders
on the front. You know, the ones that the have the bleed screw on the
BOTTOM, so that all of the air is trapped in the UPPER cylinder. Normal
bleed methods just don't hack it. By the time I was done, I owned stock
in Castrol.
The solution to the problem is to either a) park the truck on a rather
steep incline (hopefully changing the angle enough to force the air
into the connecting line), or [trumpet fan-fair] b) get yourself an
E-Z Bleed kit. Sold at some of the (slightly) more arcane automotive
shops.
This kit also eleminates the need for a net, hunting license, and
sedatives required to find someone else to help you :-).
Rotsa Ruck!
Mark
--0-
moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA - Boulder, CO USA
1961 Land Rover 109 1967 Triumph TR6C (for sale)
1974 Norton Commando (It's HERE!)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 23 11:39:05 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 09:07:39 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Status report for the Swamp Beast Gee, Dixon, & I was starting to feel bad because it may rain this weekend & I may be getting an engine delivery for the Land Rover then. My worst weather nightnare dosn't come up to your day to day winter reality. Of course now, without any sort of shelter, its difficult to get headway on th LR & TR when its raining (wet sanding is a snap though). I'm not sure if it even got down to 32 this winter. No instead of feeling blue beacuse the impending rain might put a stop to my weekend LR engine instaaling plans (assuming the engine shows up), I can feel guilty about living in such a better climate. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 23 12:02:31 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: Re: Status report for the Swamp Beast To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (land-rover-owner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 11:52:40 CST Hi Dixon: > Well, overall a pretty poor showing this week, vis-a-vis progress on the > garaged beast. The rather large snow storm last week resulted in a fair > amount of snow getting blown into the garage. > ... > This snow, tied to a recent summer wonderland of California-like > temperatures (it went slightly above 32f over the past couple of days) has > resulted in the messiest swamp appearing underneath the vehicle. Melting > snow, ancient grease and oil all mixed to a sludge that would make British > Leyland proud. Calling this situation a "garage" is either hopelessly optimistic, or reflects an enormous cultural difference in the definition of a garage. :) When the weather gets below about 40F here, almost all outside vehicle maintenance becomes optional, I find... :) Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Mar 23 20:31:57 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Posted-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Land Rover List I have received some more additions to the list of suppliers and such that I compiled with the help of others, but to tell you the truth I'm not sure anybody really wants it. If you do - let me know and I'll send you a copy. Otherwise I'm sure I don't need to clog up the mail with the list if you don't want it. Or if somebody wants to archive it somewhere we could just leave it at that. Greg
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 00:39:29 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 23 Mar 1993 23:29:23 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: Greg Hiner <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/03/24 06:11:47 UT from (HINER) Greg Hiner" Subject: Re: Land Rover List I would like to keep receiving your updated versions. Paul ___Original Letter _______________________________________ Posted-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 Message-Id: <9303240216.AA21046@emx.cc.utexas.edu> Received: from slip-138.ots.utexas.edu by emx.cc.utexas.edu (5.61/1.12) id AA21046; Tue, 23 Mar 93 20:16:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Land Rover List I have received some more additions to the list of suppliers and such that I compiled with the help of others, but to tell you the truth I'm not sure anybody really wants it. If you do - let me know and I'll send you a copy. Otherwise I'm sure I don't need to clog up the mail with the list if you don't want it. Or if somebody wants to archive it somewhere we could just leave it at that. Greg ___End of Original Letter_________________________________
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 01:33:32 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 23 Mar 1993 23:29:23 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: Greg Hiner <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/03/24 06:11:47 UT from (HINER) Greg Hiner" Subject: Re: Land Rover List I would like to keep receiving your updated versions. Paul ___Original Letter _______________________________________ Posted-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 Message-Id: <9303240216.AA21046@emx.cc.utexas.edu> Received: from slip-138.ots.utexas.edu by emx.cc.utexas.edu (5.61/1.12) id AA21046; Tue, 23 Mar 93 20:16:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:19:42 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Land Rover List I have received some more additions to the list of suppliers and such that I compiled with the help of others, but to tell you the truth I'm not sure anybody really wants it. If you do - let me know and I'll send you a copy. Otherwise I'm sure I don't need to clog up the mail with the list if you don't want it. Or if somebody wants to archive it somewhere we could just leave it at that. Greg ___End of Original Letter_________________________________
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 03:50:02 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Brake Bleeding From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 23:01:52 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV) writes: > Brake bleeding. I'd rather have root canal than have to even _think_ > about it. Hmmm, when was the last time you went to visit the dentist? *That* long ago! Well, Dr. Dixon has the cure for you. One quick and painless plane ride to a winter wonderland of white, such a pristine white that you shall be blinded until you stand before a... > On the ole 109", bleeding the rears, the master, the clutch and the > slave all went swimmingly. What hung me? The massive dual cylinders > on the front. You know, the ones that the have the bleed screw on the > BOTTOM, so that all of the air is trapped in the UPPER cylinder. Hmmm, bleed screw, front... Yeah they are on the bottom. Double hmmm, which way will the air move? Oh no... <sign> Time for a couple of phone calls to various members of OVLR. One must have the EZ Bleed kit to play this little party out... Thanks for the warning, I shall address this design feature <ahem> forthwith. > This kit also eleminates the need for a net, hunting license, and > sedatives required to find someone else to help you :-). I find that when some aspects, brake bleeding comes to mind, of general restoration comes to the fore, that most prey, er, nice helpful individuals are suddenly out of season. Hence a license is generally not required. Nets and sedatives generally are requirements. I found at the engine swap party that hot coffee and beer generally lulled the assembled "game" into a trance where they managed to perform miracles... :-) Of course, care must be made when one uses the game "calls". Billing the adventure as a "party", where they will "watch and learn" does lure them in. One just omits to tell them that the best way to learn is by actually participating... :-) :-) Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 04:06:04 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Status report for the Swamp Beast From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 23:07:48 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > Gee, Dixon, & I was starting to feel bad because it may rain this weekend You should feel thoroughly guilty after, not only reading about conditions up here, but writing that a little spring mist may put off your engine installation plans. (Now how to lay on a guilt trip here... :-) ) I expect a full account of your engine installation on Monday, assuming that the engine arrives in time for the swap meet. Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 04:19:59 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Status report for the Swamp Beast From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 23:18:48 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> writes: > Calling this situation a "garage" is either hopelessly optimistic, or > reflects an enormous cultural difference in the definition of a garage. :) Well, it does have four walls and a roof. Unfortunately there are a few 'slight' gaps between the top of the walls and the roof. It is certainly better that having to deal with the beast out in the elements... :) > When the weather gets below about 40F here, almost all outside vehicle > maintenance becomes optional, I find... :) Ahhh, I have done some of my finest work on the LR when it has been hovering slightly abouve -40f. It creates insentive to get things done. When the nice weather arrives, probably after at least another snowfall or two, it is time to go out and play. Not hide in a damp draughty garage doing something constructive. Oh well, as I believe that my place has just sold, I have to be out of here by June 1st. The 109 is going to be the primary moving vehicle, so there is now real incentive to get it working again. The thought of doing a move in a Mini smehow seems to be a little ecentric, even for me... One draw back, is that the place were I will reside for a temp. time is a lack of parking space. I have only been give three of the four spots in my friend's driveway. So the TR-7 must go to another friend's driveway, the Jeep to the scrap yard, and a home found for the '72 Cortina. The LR, Mini, and Rabbit shall stay with me... And no, he does not have a garage. If he did, I would have something in there tout suite. Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 07:34:14 1993 Return-Path: <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 08:24:42 -0500 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer) Subject: Prices on pre-1968 LRs I noticed an Ad in Hemmings for LandRovers from a company in my area code. Well, I finally made the call and was given pricing on pre-1968 Series II and IIa LRs that this company imports-to-order from the UK. Without broadcasting an ad for the company (although, I'll provide details to anyone interested), I'm curious whether these prices are pretty good for Series II LRs: Series IIa 109" 5-door gas $6300; diesel $6100 Series II " " " $6100; " $5900 Generally, the vehicles are recently inspected (UK MOT), have 65-75k miles, and have good frames with only minor, properly done, reconstruction. Looking at the ads for the other LR dealers tells me nothing since they seem to sell more specialized models at stratospheric (by my standards) prices. All I want is a driver that doesn't need major surgery. Finding one on a lot or in the paper around here is next to impossible. Thanks for any interest, Glenn Stauffer
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 10:49:12 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: Re: Land Rover List To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (land-rover-owner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 10:40:31 CST Greg: I for one found your Land Rover list to be very helpful. I would think (looking for other input here) that a periodic posting stating that it is available would be very reasonable. For minimum effort, perhaps putting it on hoosier.cs.utah.edu for ftp access might be a good alternative. Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 10:52:38 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Prices To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 16:40:00 GMT Glenn Those prices sound like a rip-off to me.Looking through the current issue of LRO (Land Rover Owner International Mag),top whack for 11's & 11A's in ~England,private sale,shouldnt be more than $2250 to $2500.Thats allowing about $1.50 to the pound sterling.Of course you have to put shipping charges on top of that,plus ?import duty?,but even so..... As a comparison,a firm in England is offering the following:- Refurbished S3,88" with 90style rear windows,door mirrors,Alpine roof glass & rear mud flaps.Finished in current LR colours,fully fitted washable headlining,county cloth seats,carpets &cubby box (yuk!),3 months warranty, 6 months road tax (worth abt 60quid),12 months MOT,price 4000pounds on the road.This isnt a one off,they are sourcing the vehicles,doing them up,and selling them at the fixed price.As I say,that is for comparison,so you can make up your own mind whether to give the bloke his profit.In any event,I would steer clear of the diesels.I've got one and it siuts me fine,but for the sort of mileages I understand are normal for you folks,well,I just think you wont like them.They are *not* fast,but they *are* noisy,and with your fuel prices you might as well run the petrol version. Advice worth what you paid for it. Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 11:12:20 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 08:53:30 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Dixon, You really do want an EZ Bleed. LR hydrolics are very good at hiding air in crannies. EZ bleed provides a low pressure bleed that shoves the bubbles down & out. The biggest mistake people make when they first use it is to connect it to a tyre with too much air pressure in it. It blows the plastic EZ bleed cap off the resavour and splatters DOT4 fluid all over the place. EZBleed makes bleeding brakes fun... especially if you have done it the old way before. Now that the EZBleed commercial is over... Scotty says my engine is done and he is working on my transmission with hopes of finishing it before the weekend. He is rebuilding a '74 petrol engine for me to replace my completely worn out '60 petrol engine. Just for the fun of it (call it I had that feeling), I brought my perfectly good transmission to him to have him go through it with new seals, through out bearing & replace any bushings that look worn. He later showed me a washer that keeps second gear in place on the shaft. It was worn to the point that almost a third was missing. Had it popped off, the second gear would have mosied on down the shaft to have a brief but noisy visit with the other gears. Also, the hardened surface was worn off the second gear dog ears & there was a cracked first gear tooth that was slowly getting to the point of separating. I do trust my uneasy feelings about things. I bit the bullet and ordered a new radiator & hoses as well as a new clutch disc. They should be showing up Friday or Monday. Like so many of my jobs, this one has had its share of ship fitter's disease. While the engine was out, i noticed surface rust on parts of the front frame and around the battery holder. So the frame bulkhead forward got stripped, de rusted and painted. Parts of the harness where the outer wrap had fallen off got taped. I'm looking for a loud horn to replace the original which can't be heard form more than 20 feet away. I purchased a new front bumper and overridders to replace the multiple time bent & unbent sculpture that was impersonating a functional bumper (poorly). I should pull the fuel tanks to get them boiled out & the high up leak on one fixed. The radiator bulkhead is getting some serious rust. I will need to derust it & paint it before I attach a new radiator to it. I was hoping to get the TR3 done before I started the Land Rover because it is soooo easy to say "While I have this part off, I really should..." Racing Dixon, to see who has a functional Land Rover first, TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Mar 24 12:58:40 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: Free Land Rover Parts in Seattle To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (land-rover-owner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:44:30 CST Thought there might be some interest in the following post I found on the british-cars list: > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 93 16:09:12 PST > > TWIMC, > > Seen this morning in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (no jokes about the > paper's name, you guys...): > > FREE - Landrover Parts. Must Take All! (206) 285-7912 > > I thought some of you landies might be interested. I haven't called, but > could act as local broker or something if necessary. > > John > ______________________________________________________________________________ > John Dombey dombey@plato.ds.boeing.com | /// > MailStop 19-ML | __ /// > P.O. Box 3707 FAX: (206) 662-4404 |~~~~~~~~ \\\/// > Seattle, WA 98124 TEL: (206) 662-4468 | and Bob's your uncle! \XX/ At 1800 miles away, I just can't swing it... :( Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Mar 28 17:32:02 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!uuaficom@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 16:04:54 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > The biggest mistake people make when they first use it is to connect it > to a tyre with too much air pressure in it. This is what I have heard about them. Oh well, the process of locating one of these devices continues. I think I have a line on one already. Now you pursue an early hunting season for a "helper". :-) > EZBleed makes bleeding brakes fun... especially if you have done it the old > way before. This is the only way that I have done it thus far. Granted dealing with Mini's is a little easier. > Scotty says my engine is done and he is working on my transmission with hopes > of finishing it before the weekend. He is rebuilding a '74 petrol engine > for me to replace my completely worn out '60 petrol engine. So tomorrow I shall read about a successful transplant? <grin> My dead engine is going to go off to a friend's for a rebuild. Well, he is going to deal with the seized pistons and bores. I'll handle the rest... > Just for the fun of it (call it I had that feeling), I brought my perfectly > good transmission to him to have him go through it with new seals, > through out bearing & replace any bushings that look worn. A dockyard task if there was one. Those bearings and seals need to be changed on my LR, but not for a little while. I will suffer for the time being. The house has sold here, so the LR will be rushed into service. Cosmetic effects and further dockyard chores can wait for later in the summer... > I bit the bullet and ordered a new radiator & hoses as well as a new clutch > disc. They should be showing up Friday or Monday. The clutch disc and pressure plate were in the pristine state that had been advertised. Thus, we only swapped the dead engine ones to the replacement engine, leaving me the proud owner of a spare set for next time. > Like so many of my jobs, this one has had its share of ship fitter's disease. > While the engine was out, i noticed surface rust on parts of the front frame > and around the battery holder. So the frame bulkhead forward got stripped, > de rusted and painted. You are more ambitious that I. I shall do that later on. For now, it is just put the thing back together. Frame et cetera can be addressed later on. Winter is passing out, a swamp is breeding in my front yard, and the salt should be history before long. Rust should not be a problem until the Fall... > I purchased a new front bumper and overridders to replace the multiple time > bent & unbent sculpture that was impersonating a functional bumper (poorly). You are going to town on this one... Overriders are definately something that is useful, especially when some modern toy wishes to argue who owns the road. I would rather my nice straight wings stay in that condition. Hmmm, maybe a second set to act as underriders should be thought out... > I should pull the fuel tanks to get them boiled out & the high up leak on > one fixed. Fifteen years and my tank should be rather interesting. I wonder what the chances are that I can get away without going to this effort... > I was hoping to get the TR3 done before I started the Land Rover because it i > soooo easy to say "While I have this part off, I really should..." I was hoping to have the restorative work done on the Summer Mini first... > Racing Dixon, to see who has a functional Land Rover first, You are farther ahead than me. I can only hope for some terrible 50 'ish weather with a slight mist to hold you back. Up here, weather really does not affect operations. It is usually awful. This past week however has been a summer-like joy of California-style weather. In the high 40's, sunny... Excellent. To bad we still have at least one more snow storm to go... Rgds, Dixon Procrastinator extrodinaire... -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Mar 28 17:50:07 1993
Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!uuaficom@micor>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Land Rover List
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 16:19:02 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) writes:
> I have received some more additions to the list of suppliers and such that
> I compiled with the help of others, but to tell you the truth I'm not sure
> anybody really wants it. If you do - let me know and I'll send you a copy.
> Otherwise I'm sure I don't need to clog up the mail with the list if you
> don't want it.
A list like this should probably be posted to the mailing list twice a
year. Doing so will:
- allow all of us to ensure that we have a recent copy
- bring the subject to the fore for corrections, additions etc.
- raise discussion on whether or not some of these places are
excellent sources of parts, or should be avoided like the plague.
- allow those with InterNet mail access, but no ftp access to get
a copy of the list.
The list is small enough, and with a low enough volume that general posting
such as this do not add to overhead, and provide the list members with a
valuable source of information. Too many times in other lists, or at club
meetings, I have seen people who were really lost in such matters, and
providing such information on a regular basis will only help them.
A related example would be the OVLR newletter. While it might not be
welcome on such a large, high volume list as British-cars, here I believe
it provides an interesting look into what another club is doing, as well as
provide some information and interesting reading. Besides, we can then all
write off to get their catalogues and drool over the various options that
we would love to add to our vehicles. :-)
As I do not have ftp access, a copy here would be appreciated, as well as
providing me with an ASCII copy to send off to the editor of the OVLR
newsletter.
I would suggest posting the list in the Spring and Fall, the two times when
members shall again turn their thoughts to routine maintenance or major
dockyard style work.
Rgds,
Dixon
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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Mar 29 11:47:40 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 09:40:27 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Dixon, I ended up not having transpertation to get the engine home. I did drive the MG up to Scottys & picked up the rebuilt transmission, & misc engine parts (intake & exhaust manafolds, fan & water pump) that were not on the new engine. I still need to get the finished engine & transfer case home (engine would not fit into the MGB). I now have a reason to expidite the LR, on the way home with the transmission, the car started popping. I stopped looked it over & decided the only thing I could do was replace the grungy looking fuel filter & hope that was it. I stopped at an auto parts store, put a new filter in and discovered that it wasn't the problem. I limped the MG the last 60 miles home over the mountain range, & put the compression gauge on it. 150, 5 147. 147. This morning I joined a van pool, but need the MG (minus the spark plug wire for #2) to get to the van pool. Soo, an number of things I was going to do are now on hold. Its going to be drop in the engine, connect the trans& rear drive shaft & get the puppy mobile so I can pull the head on the MG to see whats going on with #2 cylinder. Only problem right now is I do not have a way to get the engine & transfer case home :*( TeriAnn (To the tune of three blind mice) Three dead cars, Three dead cars, See how they sit, see how the sit, There was only suposed to be one down at a time but three dead cars, ....
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