From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 1 09:04:32 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: RR diffs
To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (landy list)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 14:55:13 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
jory asks:
> several members of the list have mentioned using range rover differnetials
> for gear changes ala over drive...
> could anyone provide more specifics, as regards both the installation, and
> the driveability...
I have RR diffs in my standard SWB LR axles. Because I didn't fit them myself
I can't give a blow by blow account, but I am led to believe it's just a
straight drop in job. The only point I know about is that the crown wheel
bolts are held by locking tabs on LR and thread locking compound on RR. If you
get it wrong the wheels fall off (Guess how I know ;-)).
You mention driveability, well I know only for my V8 engine, which seems
absolutely fine: I get the impression that w/o higher gears I wouldn't need 1st
or 3rd on the 'box! I don't know how the 2.25 would cope, maybe you'd find the
torque lacking.
A point already pretty much made on the list, but worth repeating is that with
diff conversions the low ratio too is affected. If you have the standard
engine you may not like this. An overdrive does not have this problem, neither
does a modified transfer case (you can modify just the high ratio of a transfer
case.)
I too would like info on Air-Lockers.......(price/performance etc)
Hope this helps.,
Cheers,
Steve. ('79 V8 AP)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 1 09:31:48 1993
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To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Cc: caloccia@lectroid.sw.stratus.com
Subject: people, trucks, mailing addresses (as known)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 10:17:52 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
This isn't meant to be a complete list, but merely info picked up from
subscription requests, signartures, and mail on the list, updated as
time permits. It is also a back-up in case I would ever need to
re-create the list from scratch (so if you are not on here, you would
be lost in that event).
Person vehicle(s) mail address / location
----------------- ----------------- ----------------------
Joel Abbot no rover abbott@ms.uky.edu
, Ky
Paulus Suryono Adisoemarta 109" S III ('75) mil yono@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
109" S III ('81) Austin, Tx
Michael Allen 88" S IIa ('71) allen@msbcs.enet.dec.com
Paul Anderson Range Rover ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
, Az
Grettir Asmundarson pension!rover@wicat.com
, Ut
Jon Auringer looking to buy '64 jja%astroatc@spool.cs.wisc.edu
, Wi
Chris Barbeau 88" S IIa ('69) barbeau@io.eecs.umich.edu
Rod Barman rodb@salmon.ee.ubc.ca
British Columbia, CA
Pete Bellas 109" ('67) bellas@ttidca.tti.com
(formerly had '48 S I 80") Santa Monica, Ca
Jory Bell 88" S III ('73) jory@Athena.MIT.EDU
Boston, Ma
Monty Brandenberg brandenberg@3d.enet.dec.com
Richard Brittain 88" S IIa ('72) richard@einstein.dartmouth.edu
not working Hanover, NH
Russ Burns Range Rover burns@cisco.com
Bill Caloccia 88" S IIa (G'69) caloccia@stratus.com
Troy, NY / Worcester, Ma.
John Colasante looking for 109" johnc@gdstech.grumman.com
NYC, NY
Mike Davis MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Fred Dushin no rover (2 in family) fadushin@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Syracuse, NY
Russell Dushin 88" S II ('60) u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu
OD, L hubs, tailgate garrison, ny
88" S IIa ('67) farm vehicle
88" S IIa ('67) restorable
Lee Fisher 110" Defender ('93) leefi@microsoft.COM
88" S IIa ('69)
Frank Gehrke gridley@snow.water.ca.gov
, CA
Mark Grieshaber mvgrie@mtcamm.monsanto.com
Bill Grouell 88" '(64) (daily) growl@elephino.Eng.Sun.Com
restoring 88" pick-up ('66) San Ramon, Ca.
Shel Hall no rover 76701.103@CompuServe.COM
Bruce Harding 88" S IIa ('70) Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com
weber carb, header, twin tanks, OD, 110K mi. Beverton, OR
hartza@niksula.hut.fi
, FI
Joel Haylock joelh@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
Edinburgh, UK
hikel@maine.maine.edu
, Me
88" S IIa ('70) hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
, TX
Kenton A. Hoover shibumi@joes.garage.com
SF, Ca
Dixon Kenner 109" S IIa ('64) dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Breckenridge, Quebec, CA
Chris A. Kent Kantarjiev no rover kent@parc.xerox.com
(wants a '58 lwb with a safari roof or a S IIa)
Ketil Kirkerud 109" S III ('79) ketil@ifi.uio.no
, NO
Lewis Knapp 88" S II ('59) knapp1@hypermail.apple.com
, Ca
Alan Lancendorfer 109" ('66) al@sun.com
, Ca
Dan Latenser latenser@hoss.unl.edu
Jay Lepreau 88" ('73) lepreau%mancos@cs.utah.edu
, Ut
Simon Lewis 90" V8 (current-UK) scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com
(formerly had a '66 88") Bristol, UK
Steve Methley '74 S III Airportable sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com
V-8 Bristol, UK
Steve Margolis 107" S I ('57) SZM@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu
Ithica, NY
Mark Moore 109" PU ('61) moore@fsl.noaa.gov
Boulder, CO
Aki Namioka anamioka@atc.boeing.com
Iain Reeman S150@cpc865.east-anglia.ac.uk
, UK
Robert Neilson neilson@mprgate.mpr.ca
Burnaby, BC, CA
Mark Richard-Fogg mfogg@druwa.att.com
Mike Rooth 88" IIa (G'70) diesel M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
daily driver 'bog standard'
11 Herrick Road,Loughborough,Leicestershire,LE11 2BP,UK
Atul Saini atul@hal.com
Jim Shank looking for range r. shank@cbsgi1.bu.edu
Boston, Ma
Ben Smith 88" S III ('72) ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
Warn 8000# winch, roof rack Pasadena, Ca
Kevin Spooner britcars@hpfckjs.fc.hp.com
Glenn Stauffer stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA
Teriann Wakeman 109" ('61) twakeman@apple.com
Santa Cruz, Ca
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 1 09:55:00 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: RR diffs
To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (landy list)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 14:55:13 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
jory asks:
> several members of the list have mentioned using range rover differnetials
> for gear changes ala over drive...
> could anyone provide more specifics, as regards both the installation, and
> the driveability...
I have RR diffs in my standard SWB LR axles. Because I didn't fit them myself
I can't give a blow by blow account, but I am led to believe it's just a
straight drop in job. The only point I know about is that the crown wheel
bolts are held by locking tabs on LR and thread locking compound on RR. If you
get it wrong the wheels fall off (Guess how I know ;-)).
You mention driveability, well I know only for my V8 engine, which seems
absolutely fine: I get the impression that w/o higher gears I wouldn't need 1st
or 3rd on the 'box! I don't know how the 2.25 would cope, maybe you'd find the
torque lacking.
A point already pretty much made on the list, but worth repeating is that with
diff conversions the low ratio too is affected. If you have the standard
engine you may not like this. An overdrive does not have this problem, neither
does a modified transfer case (you can modify just the high ratio of a transfer
case.)
I too would like info on Air-Lockers.......(price/performance etc)
Hope this helps.,
Cheers,
Steve. ('79 V8 AP)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 1 23:44:21 1993 Return-Path: <jory@Athena.MIT.EDU> From: jory@athena.mit.edu To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: changing ratio:xfer case gearing Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 00:37:06 EST in response to my questions about differnetial gearings, Steve Methley ponts out some shortcomings of using differentials to achieve ratio changes and suggests" "An overdrive does not have this problem, neither does a modified transfer case (you can modify just the high ratio of a transfer case.)" i have never heard of this... it seems that modifying just the higher range would be a perfect solution.. steve, do you (or anyone else) have experience or any info at all about modifying a transfer case in this manner... as an aside, i already have an OD, but would really like to be able to use the rover for longer drives with lower engine rpms (i have the 2.25 petrol v4) finally, (and i think i may be a bit dense here) i am a little confused as to how any changes in the differential would allow the wheels to fall off... could someone explain this to me (one of these days, i should probably replace my haynes manual... again...).. but i was never any good at looking at those annoying little pictures they show anyway... thanks, jory pps what are the regulations concerning importing to the US from the UK items such as seats, rook racks, other accessories... i know importing more serious parts are a pain, but how about these more generic items... the prices here are outrageous, and the selection of serious aftermarket or even original stuff is limited and the quality is absolutely terrible (unless this has just been my experience)... for example, i was asking rovers north about seats with head rests (paranoia about neck problems after a recent accident... non-rover related accident) and although they had just gotten one aftermarket seat-back replacement with headrest in... it sounded cheesy and was not that cheap... i could special order a pair of cloth seats with headrests... for over $800... this was just ridiculous... i used to get parts (in general) from DAP, back when fred monsees was running his shop near them, and i was stupid... their stuff was pretty much factory reject... i could tell you stories you wouldn't believe... for this headrest example, i will probably just bolt on some salvaged volvo headrests or something... but i would really love to be able to look through a real catalog anbd pick out high quality stuff for my vehicle... well, i think i've beat this horse to death... feedback? -jory
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 3 12:54:30 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Rovers West
From: pension!grettir@wicat.com (Grettir Asmundarson)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 23:14:37 MST
Organization: The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679
In all the talk of North American parts suppliers I haven't heard any
mention of Rovers West. I've never ordered from them, I've just noticed
the ad that they run in the back of British Car magazine. Here are the
stats:
Rovers West
4060 E. Michigan
Tucson, AZ 85714
(602) 748-8115
The ad states that they carry parts for the Rover Sedan, Range Rover,
and Land Rover. Does anyone know anything more about this place?
--
pension!grettir@wicat.com ..or.. "Waltzing's for dreamers
grettir@pension.UUCP And losers in love"
The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679 - Richard Thompson
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 3 13:17:41 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 03 Feb 1993 12:11:32 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/02/03 18:57:35 UT from (PENSION!GRETTIR) Grettir Asmundarson" Subject: Re: Rovers West X-Post: RSFLAGS Grettir Asmundarson (pension!grettir@wicat.com) writes: >In all the talk of North American parts suppliers I haven't heard any >mention of Rovers West. I've never ordered from them, I've just noticed >the ad that they run in the back of British Car magazine. Here are the >stats: > > Rovers West > 4060 E. Michigan > Tucson, AZ 85714 > (602) 748-8115 > >The ad states that they carry parts for the Rover Sedan, Range Rover, >and Land Rover. Does anyone know anything more about this place? Being in Arizona, I have heard mixed comments about them. In talking with them, they state that they are heavier on the Rover Sedan. Besides the logical connection to Land Rovers, their involvement has increased since the Land Rover dealer in Tucson closed about a year ago. That leaves only one dealer in Arizona. I also know that they do some cooperative work with D.A.P. Enterprises in MA. Mostly dropship assistance back and forth. There is a company in town which makes accessories for the Range Rover that list them as a distributor along with D.A.P. and Rovers North. Unless someone else has any direct experience, I would proceed cautiously. *============================================================================* * * __________ * * Paul Anderson * / \___ Exceptional Vehicles * * ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM * :__Range_Rover__: are for * * * (_) (_) Exceptional People| * *============================================================================*
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Feb 6 15:35:47 1993 Return-Path: <SZM@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 93 16:13:28 EST From: Steve Margolis <SZM@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Differentials To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com In trying to get caught up on my mail reading, I've noticed some correspondence on the list about overdrive units vs. changing gear ratios in the differentials. In the 70's, I had a friend in Maine who had a collection of Land Rovers that would bring joy to any of our hearts. He had a farm and over a hill in a little used pasture was LR after LR - most of them placed there for their donor vehicle value. Anyway, I ran into him one day in Portsmouth, NH where he was connecting a tow bar behind on of his 109" station wagons to the front bumber of a Rover 3000 sedan. I asked him if he was going to restore the sedan - it didn't really look bad - and he said nope, he was getting it for the differential. He had already picked up another one, so he now had a matched pair of Rover 3liter sedan diffs which he used to replace those on his favorite road 109 SW. I don't know which might be easier to find - a pair of used RR diffs, or a pair of Rover 3000's. It might be feasible for our friends on the other side of the pond. Steve Margolis, Ithaca is gorges, NY Land Rover: 1957 Series I StationWagon (currently in kit form)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 9 15:41:23 1993 Return-Path: <ccm!Bruce_Harding@intelhf.intel.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 13:33:52 PST From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com> To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Window Channel Replacement I'm about to replace the window channels on my 88" LR. The PO had purchased all the window channels but not installed them. I'm tired of looking at the moss that's growing in them. It appears that to get the front channels out you need to drill out the 2 rivets that hold the window lock in place. Are all the channels screwed in? The only holes I see on the new channels for screws is the channels that go in the back side window. Any hints or advice is welcome. Thanks, Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com 1970 88" Series IIa
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 10 04:41:32 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Test To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 10:33:16 GMT Take no notice,just testing Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 10 05:54:49 1993
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Window Channels
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:37:14 GMT
Bruce,
I came up against this job about a year or so ago,so here goes.
Incidenatally,my 88" is a hardtop,not a Station Wagon,so back
windows are a mystery to me,I havent got any.....yet!
Drillout the window locks.I reckon you *could* just manage without,
but it probably isnt worth it.
Do ONE SIDE AT A TIME.Important,this,because you have then got the
other side for reference.Also,dont rush it.Allow plenty of time,and
no distractions.Forgive me for stating the obvious,but it *is* a
fiddly job,and the next stage depends on the last,so to speak.
The channels are held in by small self tapping countersunk screws.Scrape
off the crap in the old channels until you find them,and try to get one
out intact so you can go and get some new ones.You will be very lucky to
get them all out complete and suitable for re-use.I would recommend slot
headed screws,not phillips or posidrive.Within reason,the smaller the better.
Must be C/S head to clear the glass,when screwed into the new channel.
Take off the alloy glazing strip at the front of the fixed glass.Remove the
top old channel.You will probably have to drill out the screws,or knock the
heads off,or something.You should now be able to remove the glass,and with
luck,get the other channels out in siutable condition to use to measure the
new stuff for length.This is assuming your new stuff is in one long strip.
If alredy cut to length,well and good.Be careful when removing the aluminium
spacer strips,they have to go back in.Mark them "top" "bottom" etc as you
get them out,with pencil or whatever,for reference.
You need two drill bits,one tapping,one clearance for the self tappers.
Start by replacing the fixed glass,going through the neww channel and door
with the tapping size drill,removing the channel and opening out the small
hole in it wuth the clearance size.Bed each piece of channel in sealant,
clear if possible,and screw the screws right down so they clear the glass.
I didnt use sealant and wish now that I had!Dont forget the alloy packing
strips,they should be in place as you drill through the new channel,and
will have to have their holes opened out like the channel.
Finish off with the vertical rear piece,the sliding window shuts into
this bit,and its easier to get a snug fit if you do it last.
If in doubt,refer to the other side.
Hope this helps a bit.Best of luck,and draught free motoring!
Cheers
Mike Rooth ('70 11A 88")
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 10 09:59:54 1993
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To: "Teriann J. Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com>
Cc: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: changing ratio:xfer case gearing
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Feb 93 08:53:14 PST."
<9302021653.AA14036@apple.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 10:49:26 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> While on the subject of parts from the UK, does anyone overthere know about
> availability and cost of the gray 'rihno hyde' upolstry that was original on
> the earlier Land Rovers??? I can get it from Rovers North but it makes Silk
> look cheap.
Hi Teriann,
I don't know how close a match it would be, but the automotive-seat
vinyl is available in a number of colors (I've seen it bulk in fabric shops).
I would think there would be some sort of gray, I know I've seen it in black
and other colours.
Another place that may be able to help you find a similar material
would be an Automobile re-upholstery shop.
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 10 11:38:26 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:27:39 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: changing ratio:xfer case gearing Cc: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Bill, I have checked several automotive upholstry places including some that specialized in vintage autos. No one comes close to the pattern. The later model IIAs had black upholstry. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 10 12:51:26 1993 Return-Path: <bellas@gamma.tti.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 10:34:44 PST From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: upholstry >Bill, I have checked several automotive upholstry places including some >that specialized in vintage autos. No one comes close to the pattern. >The later model IIAs had black upholstry. The closed thing I have found is a vinyl called "Shark Skin", my recently used it to reupholster a waterbed frame. I looks fairly close but I have doubts as to it's durability with reapect to the original. BTW, I thought the original was called "Elephant Hide", live and learn. -Pete-
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Feb 11 04:20:46 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: January Newletter, Ottawa Valley Land Rover Club
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:47:18 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
note: follows is the January newletter of the Ottawa Valley Land Rover
Club. Typos are mine, and this rendition omits reproduced
articles of advertisments which have appeared in the newsletter.
===============================================================================
OTTAWA VALLEY LAND ROVERS
1016 NORMANDY CRES., OTTAWA, ONT., K2C OL4
G'day eh: Jan. 8/93
HIGHLIGHTS: Yves Fortin is OVLR president for 1993; Fred Joyce
wins lugnut of the year; Dave Meadows takes over the editor's
pencil and time is running out for 1993 dues.
Now the details: Former VP Yves Fortin beat out two other
candidates in the Jan. 7 election to become OVLR's seventh
president, replacing Jason Dowell who declined to seek a third
term. New vice president is Harry Bligh, who has been holding down
the secretary's job for the past several years. Harry retains his
other title as "Chef de Cuisine du club", so members who look
forward to his outdoor palate-ticklers can relax, he's still head
cook. Tom Mayor remains as treasurer for another year, while Fred
Barrett finally got his wish and won an election...as secretary.
Resident loon Dale Desprey and former treasurer extraodinaire
Lyne Leduc provided stiff competition and the race changed hands
several times during counting. Both Dale and Lyne are experienced
members and the new exec will be looking for their help this year.
With six candidates contesting the four executive positions, and
two of them running for two different positions, it was the busiest
election in years. Twenty-three members from an eligibility list of
40 filed ballots. (Only members living within the Ottawa Valley may
vote and hold office in OVLR.) The election enthusiasm was a far
cry from our situation a few years ago when nobody ran for office
and the outgoing president had to appoint an executive under an
emergency clause in the constitution.
Seventeen members attended the Annual General Meeting, one of
the largest turnouts ever. Outgoing president Jason thanked his
executive for its support during his two-year term, offering
special thanks to VP Yves for his organizational skills. The VP is
responsibile for overseeing events and Yves was in with both feet
during the T-CAT rally and the club's birthday and Christmas get-
togethers. Jason also thanked editor Mike (McD) McDermott for
tending the newsletter the past four years and never letting facts
get in the way of a good story. All present however conceded that
everything ever written about Bates was absolutely true.
Editor McD, in handing over newsletter chores to Dave Meadows,
reported the monthly missive totalled 80 pages in 1992 and
circulation reached 90 with 18 going to other clubs and suppliers.
He said production costs are still under the $15 per member that
determines annual dues but the hike in postage rates and materials
could mean a fee increase next year. Dues has remained unchanged
for two years.
=======================================================================
The exec decided that this newsletter would be the last sent
to members who have not paid their dues for 1993.
New editor Dave, assisted by Robin Craig, makes his debut with the
February newsletter. If you've got something, call him.
[LRO-mailing-list readers, you can send submissions to me,
dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca if you feel the itch to contribute.]
In the bearpit session members got a chance to tell the exec
what they liked--and disliked--about things. The Christmas party
took a little flack for the quality of food and lack of a "party
mood". Suggestions included dance music, better decorations and
atmosphere and an earlier date to avoid conflicting with other
Christmas parties. (The Navy Mess has already dumped the caterer
and promises better grub next -Christmas.) Some said the annual
frame oiler should be held earlier in the Fall to avoid bad
weather. Others wanted more off road trips, technical seminars and
better publicity surrounding events to attract other clubs. The
exec noted all were good ideas and what was needed were a few
volunteers to help set them up. The outgoing exec got full marks
for the year and a promise of "pints" later that night.
In the final event of the evening, outgoing prez Jason was
presented with the traditional engraved pewter beer mug honoring a
term in office that saw OVLR grow to 72 members. Jason steered the
club through the busiest period in its nine-year history,
overseeing activities that included more events than ever, the
construction of a kitchen trailer and the hosting of an
international cross-Canada rally.
AMID HOOOHAAAAAS, arggghhhhs, lotsa guffaws and the occasional
smirk, 44 members and friends attending the club Christmas party
heaped abuse on Ottawa member Fred Joyce for taking top honors in
the annual race for Lugnut of the Year.
Fred, AKA "Fried", was honored with a plaque reading "Rear
Rammer" in commemoration of that day several weeks earlier when he
became the first member in the club's history involved in a two-car
smashup--in the bush. On a "mud safari" with several other LRs in
nearby Larose Forest, Fred shifted into carreening gear while
rounding a sharp turn between the mighty oak and proud maple tree--
and got a real close look at the military bumperettes on Bruce
Ricker's 109 pickup. A couple of gibbled fenders, scratched winch
housing and a lot of snickers totalled the damage on Fried's 88.
The 109 didn't notice but Bruce is holding his neck while he waits
for the lawyers to show.
====================================================================
The awards committee, searching for an appropriate
inscription, originally picked "Bum Basher" but, while fitting, it
already belonged to a local TV personality and gerbilmeister. The
plagues are mounted on a handcarved 88 replica carved in butternut by
Vern Fairhead.
This marks the first year the plaques were professionally
done. Until now, the winners were scratched on a chunk of scrap
aluminum (no, not Bate's truck). The professional touch also
allowed us to correct all the misspelled words on the originals.
(Another Bates contribution.)
Winner of the Towball Award was Roy Bailie, a new member who
has jumped in with both feet, already collecting several LRs in
"kit" form. Roy, who hails from Ireland where Land Rovers come with
the popular bomb proof and machine gun options, flatbedded his
treasurers to his body shop in Kanata.
Partyers got a look at election candidates in a quick slide
show and if it prompted anyone to vote for a particular candidate,
we can't imagine why. We saw Dale wondering around in the dark,
Lynn and Freddie Barrett sleeping (not together), Yves modelling
some spiffy ski togs, Tom picking someone's pocket and Harry curled
coquettishly on a couch. Definitely not the stuff of leaders.
Just about everyone who attended the party in the Navy
Association Mess on Victoria Island was visited by Santa. There
were T-shirts, calendars, hats, LR bits, a bottle of wine, books
and theatre tickets. Special thanks for their generoeity go to
corporate donors Rovers North and Atlantic British Parts Canada.
OVLR donors included Sean McGuire, Tom Hammond, Dave Meadows and
Robin Craig.
United Parcel Service managed to delay the Rovers North
package almost two weeks, making it too late for the Christmas
party. Not bad for UPS but no match for the two months they took to
deliver an axle from RN to McD several years ago. If they keep this
up, we're gonna start thinking the Post Office isn't so bad after
all---scary thought. No worries though, the huge box of stuff is
locked away and will be used for prizes at upcoming events.
One disappointement at this year's Christmas party, was the
lack of human representation from Rovers North. In year's past,
owner Mark Latorney and chief Mechanic Charlie Haigh and wife Pam
have made the trek from Westford, Vermont to share a dram with us.
This year, we failed to check with the RN crew when making plans
and our party night clashed with RN celebrations. We'll make sure
it doesn't happen again.
Jerry Dowell and Yves were the only members to actually bring
a Land Rover to the party. They would have received an award for
courage until we realized they had no choice. It's the only
transportation the poor beggers have.
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MOUNTAIN SKIING, "fast wimmin" and cheap beer. Sounds like a
weekend heaven for a bunch of "wild and crazy" guys eh?. Well,
what if there was no snow, some of the old fogies had gas and they
all needed their nappies by 9 pm. OVLR members Jerry Dowell,
Bates, McD and Roy Bailie, accompanied by the lovely but annoying
Mark Van Dusen of CBC fame, made a whirlwind tour of Vermont hot
spots recently. Billed as a Christmas getaway, the fivesome snuck
away from their frozen Land Rovers to tour in comfort, thanks to
Roy's eight-seater land yacht repleat with cruise control, stereo
and HEAT. A little "pubbing" in Burlington (where Jerry discovered
his new, bargain-bacement underwear had the fly sewn shut), an old
John Wayne movie back at the hotel, and a visit to Rovers North
before dropping in to see Pam and Charlie Haigh's new post-and-beam
house, rounded out the overnighter. A highlight of the trip was a
minor scuffle back at the Canadian border when the boys had to
explain to Canada Customs what the phrase "duty free" meant. Chalk
one up for the good guys.
...NEWS...VIEWS...FACTS...BOLDFACE LINES...HOT TIPS...FOR SALE...
*-First meeting of the 1993 exec is Tuesday, Feb.2 at 7 pm in the
Olive Garden Resturant, Meadowlands at Merivale Road. Join them.
*-Looking for a 1966 Doormobile?. Try Luc Racicot at (514) 466-6633
on the South Shore about 45 miles east of Montreal. It's a tip and
we know very little except he's asking $2,500.
*-Check out the review of the North American 110 in the current
edition of Truck and Trail Magazine.
*- OVLR veteran Sharon Cregier is off to Australia and the Middle
East and so is parting with her loyal friend of 18 years, the QE
II. The four cylinder, 1974/88 is going for $7,000 without all her
spares...and $6,500 with them. Yep, you heard that right. Before
April, call (902) 566-0621. Good luck Sharon. Drop us a line and
piX .
*-Dave Place, of sister club "Prairie Rovers", is looking for a
running 2-1/4 engine, fewer miles the better. Also wants a deluxe
bonnet (204) 482-7461.
*-Cudos to Yves and Bates for freezing their fingers with Freddie
Barrett installing a transmission for the ride home to Montreal for
Christmas. He made it. He's looking for a good four-banger too.
(613) 731-1294.
*-Toronto Area Rover Club newsletter editor Nark Stefanovic is
giving up the pen and heading for university in BC soon. He's
looking for someone to share the ride...and the gas. (416) 825-
8662.
*-Montreal member Michel Bertrand joined us for the general meeting
and borrowed an armload of LROs for his reading pleasure.
*-McD struggling to get Bates' 107 out of his garage so he can get
back to work on the kitchen trailer. The long-suffering "Sally" is
in for the repair of countless "discipline sessions" (hammer blow )
and "routine maintenance" (rebuilding the gas tank, carb, firewall,
exhaust, rad, side windows, wheel hubs, winch and sundry other
items that have failed under Bate's relentless driving habits over
the last six years and 42 miles.) Al, meanwhile, is off to Vegas
and Florida to pretend he's somebody else.
*-Rescuers visited Jerry Dowell's Series 111/88 "Edna" recently.
Problem: Ignition wires, points and a very cold day. Changing the
electrics did the trick. Not so lucky was "Desperate" Dale Desprey.
Come January, the Fires of Hell won't warm up a diesel.
*-The Rovers North Fall newsletter has an interesting photo of our
own Bates being towed INTO the off-road course. Sigh. Dale and the
OVLR members received honorable mention for their artful sprawl
under and around his deisel "Old Smokey" at the British Invasion
ceremonies. Dale took top prize for "Most Humorous Tailgate
Display" .
*-One more reminder to get your dues in, if you haven't already
done so. It's $15.00 to the letterhead address. (This does not apply
to other clubs, suppliers and Life Members John Hart and Harold
Huggins who received complimentary newsletter subscriptions.)
*-And did you hear authorities are banning blind folk from bungee
jumping? Seems it's too hard on the guide dogs.
That's all folks. I'm taking a little rest but remember, the camera
never blinks .
Best Regards;
McD
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Happy New Year folks, here we go for anothe. Land Rover filled year.
Thanks to all of you who tried your hand at the Rover Pecognition at the
Christmas party. an excellent job by Peter Whitworth in getting ten out of
ten, also credit to Dave Meadows, Michel Gagnon and Fred Barrett for their
efforts. I will not divulge their scores as some might get embarrassed if I
mention they only got one and a half! As for the rest of you stumps, well
you ask for new games and then you do not participate, figure that.
Thls year sees "General Service" heading south at the request of the Land
Rover Owners Association of North America. Their journal the ALUMINIUM
WORKHORSE (A.W) ls going through a bit of an ovcrhaul. You will note that
the group name has changed to include us North of the Border. Sadly we must
understand that Canada alone will not support a magazine like Oileak
Illustrated. So Brad Blevins the editor of A.W. is looking to widen his
audience to include the likes of you. The magazine will continue to offer
round ups from all Land Rover groups across North America. As well there
will be a summary of world Land Rover news and technical articles covering
the topics that you want to see.
Currently the cost for a year is USD $20 I understand, the LRONA can be
reached at PO BOX 6836, OAKLAND CA 94603 USA. Editor Brad Blevins can be
reached directly at 2998 Atlantic St, Concord, CA 94518 USA and if you get
the urge to call or fax him, you can on 1 510 687 1188.
From Bob Morrison in the UK comes the news that the British Army's truck replacement program is rolling along with Land Rover being contracted to provide a total of thirteen vehicles for the trials phase of the program. These vehicles cover the light and medium range capacity of the program. Land Rover are the only one in these two categories being asked to tender vehicles
for the trials stage. From this one can be certain that they are the winner of these two classes. In the heavy duty class where many had expected to see the 130 or 6 x 6 to dominate, Steyr Daimler Puch have also been asked to provide a trials vehicle. It seems that the SDP 4 X 4 vehicle may be the favourite at this stage for this job. Despite all the gloom and doom about the recession it seems to have escaped Land Rover. To keep up with world wide demand for their three products the factory is now producing more vehicles every week. Current Discovery numbers are up 10% to 550 units per week, Range Rover up from 350 to 370 and Defender constant at 320 a week. Land Rover are capitalising on the success of their "Tdi" (turbo charged direct injection) diesel engine by offering a retrofit package that allows owners of pre 1983 90 and 110's to buy this engine and drop it in to give their vehicle a new lease on life. The Tdi engine has been widely acclaimed since its inception and is now the standard fit for British military Land Rovers. The Tdi gives 107 bhp and returns an incredible 32 miles per gallon. Imagine if a retrofit package was available for Series 2's and 3's? Finally I would like all the faithful snitches out there to call in with who is taking the longest to rebuild their Land Rover. Also any good quotes of those pathetic excuses would be useful for adding insult! I think the current leader is Bob Wood. By the way he has a 109 frame for sale, for details call
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Feb 11 04:38:00 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: another new addition to the mailing list From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:35:06 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec As a method of pulling people from the woodwork, I would like to introduce David Meadows to the mailing-list. David is the latest lurker here, suffering the ancient technology of a UUCP system transported to a DOS based platform. He joins at least one other OVLR (Ottawa Valley Land Rover) club member who is making the leap into this forum. <1> I'll leave it to him to figure out how to respond to your messages... :-) rgds, Dixon, '64 109" station waggon 1. There is the possibility that a number of OVLR members can access this mailing list through my system which gates this mailing-list into a local newsgroup on FourFold Symmetry. -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Feb 11 14:30:28 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: oil seals... From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 11:36:18 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Just a quick question. I will be changing the clutch in the spare engine in the next couple of days and wonder if I should replace the rear oil seal while I am at it. It is currently not leaking, but for US$12.50 from RN, it might be worth doing anyway. rgds, dixon '64 109" station waggon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 12 08:41:04 1993
Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Sticky Steering Wheels
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:29:59 GMT
If your steering wheel,like mine,goes all yucky after the Land Rover has
been left out all night in wet or damp conditions,and the black muck has
to be wiped off before driving,try the following (if you havent got a better
solution).In dry conditions,polish the wheel rim with Brasso or similar
brass cleaner.Must be abrasive,but not violently so.Use plenty of "elbow grease"and be sure to rub off well.Then polish with furniture polish.I use the spray on type but assume any will do as well.It works.Repeat when necessary,or before.
Not oonly have I used this method,but a mate of mine uses it on his vintage
cars,which are worth a hell of a lot more money than my Land Rover,so he isnt
about to do them any harm!
For what you paid for it
Mike Rooth ('70 11A 88" Diesel)
:wq
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 12 09:39:10 1993
Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Sticky Steering Wheels
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:29:59 GMT
If your steering wheel,like mine,goes all yucky after the Land Rover has
been left out all night in wet or damp conditions,and the black muck has
to be wiped off before driving,try the following (if you havent got a better
solution).In dry conditions,polish the wheel rim with Brasso or similar
brass cleaner.Must be abrasive,but not violently so.Use plenty of "elbow grease"and be sure to rub off well.Then polish with furniture polish.I use the spray on type but assume any will do as well.It works.Repeat when necessary,or before.
Not oonly have I used this method,but a mate of mine uses it on his vintage
cars,which are worth a hell of a lot more money than my Land Rover,so he isnt
about to do them any harm!
For what you paid for it
Mike Rooth ('70 11A 88" Diesel)
:wq
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 12 10:04:27 1993 Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Transports of Delight Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:22:05 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> A friend of mine forwarded these excerpts to me: The cavers' digest had a few entries from Britons about their favourite vehicles for caving trips... -- Bill ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 15:01:17 +0000 From: Glenn.Jones@barclays.co.uk Subject: CAVING VEHICLES From: NAME: GLENN M JONES,BNS,RADBROKE HAL FUNC: CISD TEL: 0565 621000 extn 2529 <JONES,G1 AT A1 AT ZRHL16> To: "CAVERS@VLSI.BU.EDU"@RHL080@MRGATE@ZPLE91 In September '91 I changed my vehicle. I had previously, over a period of about four years, run three different, low slung Lancia's. Certainly long enough to establish that Italian cars, whilst being VERY nice to lob down motorways, have absolutely no useful ground clearance whatsoever. Major running costs (apart from loadsa fuel) were exhausts and shocks. So I decided to buy something from new that had to comply with the following: Very good ground clearance - Four wheel drive (full or part time) - Turbo diesel engine - Potential for a VERY long life (I hope to keep it at least for ever) - Practical (OK it was a caving vehicle, but I still need to drive to work and go to the super market) - Basic mechanicals, for self servicing - Enough room to cart around upto five hairy arsed cavers and all the associated kit. So what did I get? (An apology here for US readers, as I do not believe the following is available in the States). After a lot of research I narrowed the field down to three Land Rover products and an outsider from Portugal. I could not afford a Discovery, and anyway, they're far too posh. The Land Rover 90 is a little bit short, whilst the 110 (90 and 110 represents the wheelbase in inches) is a little bit long (OK I maybe nit picking, but I'm looking for my ideal vehicle). So, with the benefit of three separate test drives behind me, the outsider from Portugal, at about 2,500 UK pounds less than the LR 90 can now be seen frequently in the Yorkshire Dales. Pardon? What did you say? Oh! What is it? Yeah, most people say that. The UMM (pronounced U-M-M as in BMW, not as in umm! what is it?) Alter II is a 100 inch wheelbase, intercooled 2.5ltr Turbo Diesel built in Portugal. Well, at least it's put together there. The body is manufactured in Lisbon, whilst ALL the mechanical bits (including engine and drive train) are sourced from Peugot. It looks a bit like a Land Rover apart from an incredibly ugly drop nosed front, which provides superb forward visibility and lots of laughs. But the laughs are on me. The chassis rails consist of two lengths of 6 inch X 2 inch X 4mm walled steel box section, with cross pieces of the same material. The body is 2mm steel, completely welded to the chassis for a rattle free, hewn from granite like construction. (LR chassis is 2mm steel!). Suspension is trouble free leaf springs with single or double shocks per wheel, discs on the front, drums on the back. Transmission is part time 4X4. M.P.G. is about 30 to and from work dropping to about 26 at 70 MPH on the motorway (thanks to the aerodynamics of a brick). And it goes just wherever the hell I point it! Maybe after that I can get away from Bernies a bit quicker in the mornings, without having to go through the salesman routine, explaining to people who always ask the inevitable, "What the hell's that?!". Glenn. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 11:59:56 +0000 From: ramsden@vax.ox.ac.uk Subject: Transports of Delight While I can appretiate the necessity of a sturdy off road vehicle in many parts of the US and Mexico, the average british caving vehicle tends to be more biased toward the bottom line. Is it cheap? will it get you to the roadhead. This particularly applies to expedition owned vehicles (This is where University caving really does get dangerous!). My favourite to date was "Pandora" This was a long wheel-base Land Rover with several interesting features. 1) Fear of the dark. Pandora's first trip underground in the Dartford Tunnel (Under the Thames) was so scary that the electrical system underwent spontaneous conbustion. Once rewired she made it safely to Morocco. 2) Limited Head Room. The raised back seats made wearing a helmet offroad a serious proposition if you were over 5'6". We unfortunately forgot to tell a couple of police officers we gave a lift about this. 3) Inadequate Ventilation. Much more useful than air conditioning is the abillity to drive thru H.M. Customs after several weeks in Morocco. This require stuffing a few cavers and their kit in the back of Pandora, driving across Spain and France in two days. No Customs officer is going to subject his nose to the results for more than a few minutes. It is symptomatic of british caving vehicles that most photo's I have of van's I've had part ownership have the hood up. Jim Ramsden (AA member) - ------------------------------ ------- End of Forwarded Message
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Feb 13 21:29:19 1993 Return-Path: <leefi@microsoft.com> From: leefi@microsoft.com To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 19:15:06 PST cool, in an article release in "Corporate Computing", Land Rover North America's network administrator (Art Silverglate) is quoted in a statement about the Intel Pentium chip. the first time i've seen Land Rover in a computing trade publication... of course he must be referring to Pentium machines running Windows NT. :-) -- Lee Fisher Windows NT group, '69 Series IIA 88, '93 Defender 110 > Desktop Vendors Blast into Midrange Space (Corporate Computing) >
> From Corporate Computing for February, 1993 by Alice Laplante ... > Intel also hopes to capture workstation manufacturers formerly loyal to > RISC and to convince more corporations to shift to a distributed > computing environment using Pentium machines as host systems in client- > server configurations. "I see Pentium as having the potential to blow > away systems like IBM's AS/400 that sell for $250,000 to $300,000," says > Art Silverglate, network administrator for Land Rover North America of > Lanham, Md. ...
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Feb 14 16:21:39 1993 Return-Path: <@wicat.COM:pension!grettir@wicat.COM> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Top speed of 4-cylinder 109? From: pension!grettir@wicat.com (Grettir Asmundarson) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 13:35:40 MST Organization: The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679 I understand that the top speed of a 4-cylinder (petrol) 109" is somewhere in the area of 65 MPH. I assume that this speed can't really be maintained for any great distance, so what is the top "maintainable" speed? Is long-range freeway travel in a Land Rover really feasable? The reason I ask is that I'm ominously close to purchasing a '67 109" station wagon and, since this will be my _only_ vehicle, I am trying to get as much information as I can so that there are no surprises. I'm still a bit worried about having the Land Rover as my only means
of transportation. From my reading of the list these last few months, Land Rovers seem to be down quite a bit for maintenance. And there's always the chance that I'm going to break down in the middle of Southern Utah, a few thousand miles from the closest parts supplier. But, if nothing else, I figure it will add an element of danger and unpredictability to my appallingly boring life. -- pension!grettir@wicat.com ..or.. "Waltzing's for dreamers grettir@pension.UUCP And losers in love" The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679 - Richard Thompson
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 11:26:38 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 09:18:10 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: leefi@microsoft.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium Thats strange, My Land Rover prefers the 68040 chip and thinks the 68060 specs are way cool. Just last Sunday, as I was fitting her new front bumper, she was saying that with the new engine, rebuilt transmission and all she might just go with the new RISC chip Motorola is building for Apple. What she said about imitation graphic interfaces is unprintable. How 'bout it Lee, would you like to call a truce & keep computers out of the Land Rover mail list????? I would ordinarily let some things slide, but people who don't know better actually belive what Microsoft says about windows. TeriAnn (Have you ever noticed how little specs on unreleased products have in common with reality?)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 12:29:53 1993 Return-Path: <leefi@microsoft.com> From: leefi@microsoft.com To: twakeman@apple.com Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: re: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium Date: Mon Feb 15 10:21:26 1993 relax, i was just suprised to see anything about Land Rover in a computing magazine. i would've posted the message even if it was about an Apple chip or a Commodore Vic20. my apologies if caused anyone to get offended or insecure. [ps: i saw a bright red Hummer this weekend in the Cascades, pretty wild.] -- Lee Fisher, not a Microsoft spokescreature > From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> > To: leefi@microsoft.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com > > Thats strange, My Land Rover prefers the 68040 chip and thinks the > 68060 specs are way cool. Just last Sunday, as I was fitting her new > front bumper, she was saying that with the new engine, rebuilt > transmission and all she might just go with the new RISC chip > Motorola is building for Apple. > > What she said about imitation graphic interfaces is unprintable. > > How 'bout it Lee, would you like to call a truce & keep computers out > of the Land Rover mail list????? I would ordinarily let some things > slide, but people who don't know better actually belive what > Microsoft says about windows. > > TeriAnn > > (Have you ever noticed how little specs on unreleased products have in > common with reality?)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 13:04:24 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Top speed of 4-cylinder 109? From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 10:00:01 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec pension!grettir@wicat.COM (Grettir Asmundarson) writes: > I understand that the top speed of a 4-cylinder (petrol) 109" is > somewhere in the area of 65 MPH. My understanding that the top speed is about 55mph and that it can do this speed for hours on end. Of course, if you add an overdrive, this speed will increase somewhat. > I'm still a bit worried about having the Land Rover as my only means
> of transportation. From my reading of the list these last few months, > Land Rovers seem to be down quite a bit for maintenance. And there's > always the chance that I'm going to break down in the middle of > Southern Utah, a few thousand miles from the closest parts supplier. > But, if nothing else, I figure it will add an element of danger and > unpredictability to my appallingly boring life. There are a couple of LR's here in Ottawa that are used for daily transportation year round. In fact, for a pair of the chaps, they are the only vehicles that they have. With regular maintenance, preventative maintenance, et cetera, you really should not have any problems beyond breaking a half shaft or something. Just carry a box of spanners and a few spare parts, and all should be fine... :-) Rgds, Dixon '64 109 sw -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 16:58:06 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 14:50:53 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: leefi@microsoft.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: re: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Let me publically appologize for my reply to Lee. I had a bad weekend and his posting caught me at the exactly wrong time. I should not have started a computer or system software war. If I needed to flame, it should have been privatly and not to the whole group. With appologies TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 17:25:59 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:18:42 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Top speed of 4-cylinder 109? I have had my 109 crusing at over 65 mph on occasions when I was on a rush, but the car did not feel happy doing it. Mine seems happiest crusing are around 3200 RPM. I think this is around 55ish (look ma no speedometer). I have tall tyres on the Rover & this helps. I have crused all day at 3200 without any problems. My particular Land Rover seems to have a minimum of vibrations around that RPM/speed, and the engine does not feel it is being over taxed. I do not cruse above 3500 unless I am in a rush for something. The Land Rover is not your optimum car for being in a rush. About all the Land rovers on the list that are being constantly worked on: I think if you ask & get honest answers these cars are basically worn out, and people are putting just enough energy and money into them to keep them on the road. Parts are expensive & good professional Land Rover mechanics are VERY difficult to find. I think some people may not know how to put a LR into optimum shape, others like myself are (for me was) trying to postphone that expensive & time consuming rebuild until later. I have put over 200K on my Land Rover, and it has been a farm work car as well as a trip/ holiday car. During that time I replaced 4 axles (the only one I think I deserved was from towing a shead uphill), 3 diffs (chips from axles crunched ring & pinion before I could stop car, rebult the brakes & clutch hydrolics numerious times, replaced a break line that had pin hole rust through, replaced the clutch a couple of times, replced the starter motor and carb (a pice I could not replace fell off, replaced leaky seals & that was about it except for tune ups & oil. You don't notice the people who have Land Rovers in good condition because they probably don't have stories to tell about their breakdowns. I would suggest purchasing the best quality Land Rover you can afford, have a GOOD Land Rover mechanic look it over & fix everything the mechanic finds, regularly check fluids & do scheduled maintnenence when it is due & you have a very dependable car that does not get very good gas milage. If you live any distance from work, i might suggest an inexpensive MG or spriget for your main commute car & save the LR for those nasty days & trips. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 15 17:35:23 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 14:50:53 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: leefi@microsoft.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: re: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Let me publically appologize for my reply to Lee. I had a bad weekend and his posting caught me at the exactly wrong time. I should not have started a computer or system software war. If I needed to flame, it should have been privatly and not to the whole group. With appologies TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 17 00:40:34 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Land Rover likes Intel Pentium From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 20:47:20 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > (Have you ever noticed how little specs on unreleased products have in common > with reality?) Sounds like a lot of car ads. Fortunately the spec sheets on the LR were the opposite, in the sense that our aluminium friends outperform the spec sheets by a mile... :-) Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Feb 17 00:55:09 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Top speed of 4-cylinder 109? From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 20:44:11 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > About all the Land rovers on the list that are being constantly worked on: > I think if you ask & get honest answers these cars are basically worn out, > and people are putting just enough energy and money into them to keep them on > the road. Looking at the great number of Land Rovers in the Ottawa Valley, there seems to be an even split between those that are undergoing extensive work, general regular maintenance, and flying along waiting for the $$$ to allow them to undertake either of the first two. When I see the people in OVLR, they are the dedicated few how truly love their aluminium friend and do spend an inordinate amount of time with them. Those outside a club, lack the impetus to undertake the challenge to accomplish the necessary maintenance work. Considering the rarity of these machines, the new buyer, without knowledge of a local club or others with the same vehicle will really not know what to do with it. There are exceptions of course, but the trend is there. I guess we are lucky in Canada for the much greater number of LRs that were sold here, and the much smaller and concentrated population that have kept them going. British cars like the Mini were sold here for a much longer period of time, and PhlegmSucking British Leyland [tm Scott Fisher #1] had a much greater market penetration in Canada for a much longer period of time. > Parts are expensive & good professional Land Rover mechanics are VERY > difficult to find. The price of parts is really no worse than any other LBC, and generally a lot cheaper than the latest product out of Detroit or Japan. The Toronto Star ran an article costing out a dozen new cars last summer. The article looked at what it would cost to keep all of the vehicles on the road for a fifteen year period, costing out such things as brakes, alternators, etc. in current day prices. For fun, I added the same maintenance for my Mini and Land Rover. The total was about half of the cheapest current car. Labour was not included in any of the calculations, if it was, the LBCs would do even better considering their simplicity and general lack of something resembling an electrical system... :-) Reading through the Land Rover International magazine [from the UK], the price of parts, including shipping and duty [zero percent for Canada if the car is over twenty-five years old] is far less than Rovers North if one wishes to go overseas for the parts. In fact the price difference is so great that OVLR is discussing getting a container to be filled with the orders of club members and shipped direct to Ottawa. Send a letter off to Merseyside in the UK asking for their price catalogue. After leafing through it, you will be appauled the next time you pick up the Rovers North catalogue. RN and AB are for those parts you need yesterday, not for the parts you will need next month, or as future spares. As for the mechanic, for the most part the vehicles are straight forward, and any *good* mechanic, preferably with shop manual, should be able to fix anything on it. Related to this is the aspect that this is an apple and orange question. Someone who wishes a LR or other LBC should realise that what they are getting themselves into. These are no "reliable" <ahem> Honda Civic et al. > I think some people may not know how to put a LR into optimum shape, All drive and the Haynes or factory shop manuals... :-) They are just oversized Mechano sets requiring a few more tools to assemble. > others like myself are (for me was) trying to postphone that expensive & > time consuming rebuild until later. Doubly expensive. You need a spare to drive while the other undergoes restorative work. <grin> Hence, if I don't buy the '68 Cooper 'S' (sitting outside a garage in the countryside and available for a reasonable price) this summer, it will be a Series II or IIA 88" to restore over time. > During that time I replaced... Quite a list! It sounds like many a LBC that I know of up here... :-) > I would suggest purchasing the best quality Land Rover you can afford, have > a GOOD Land Rover mechanic look it over & fix everything the mechanic finds, > regularly check fluids & do scheduled maintnenence when it is due & you have > a very dependable car that does not get very good gas milage. If you live > any distance from work, i might suggest an inexpensive MG or spriget for > your main commute car & save the LR for those nasty days & trips. Wise advice and very true. I know a few people who have "cheaped" it out in the beginning, just to put the balance, if not more, into the vehicle over the next couple of years. Of course, these people are contributing to keeping a greater number of LRs et cetera on the road that would have otherwise gone for scrap. Rgds, Dixon Hmmm, 101 lines. Your messages generally get me writing far more than I probably should... :-) Four more weeks until the transplant! And we just got another two feet of snow! This is going to be fun! <grin> BTW, LBCs are the command line operating systems of the automotive works. Clunky, but reliable, unfriendly, yet with a certain je ne sais quois. The windows & NT cars of the world are the Porches & other beasts that generally are expensive to run, expensive on hardware, and generally look fantastic until you have to do something tricky or useful with them... :-) Give me DOS or UNIX & a LBC or six any day... <grin> -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 19 09:32:15 1993 Return-Path: <burns@cisco.com> From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Land/Range Rover Magazines To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 7:19:43 PST Does any one have some addresses for Land Rover/Range Rover magazines, on either side of the pond ? Thanks Russ Burns Range Rover abuser
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 19 12:06:03 1993
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 10:00:33 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com>
To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Land/Range Rover Magazines
Does any one have some addresses for Land Rover/Range Rover
magazines, on either side of the pond ?
Thanks
Russ Burns
Range Rover abuser
I just started receiving Land Rover Owner magazine. It
contains lots of Range Rover stuff also. It's published in
the UK. I don't have a copy at work...I'll bring in the
address on monday and send out. I would also be interested
in any other publications on the LR.
Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com
1970 SeriesIIA 88" LR
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Feb 20 10:27:30 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 10:24:32 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: 90 to be imported I don't know if this is general knowledge or not but I saw in a couple of articles while doing some searching on Lexus that Land Rover is talking about importing a 90 to complement the 110 they brought over earlier. List ~ $30,000 with V8, 4 wheel disk brakes, and soft top. Greg ALSO - and forgive me if this is already available - but I would think that a list containing addresses of suppliers, publications and other rover related stuff might be worth putting together for all involved. What do you think? If there is interest I would be happy to put it together if you all would mail me the info that you have.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 09:43:37 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: uunet!mailrus!samsung!ulowell!ai.gtri.gatech.edu!offroad@tin
Cc: mailrus!ai.gtri.gatech.edu!offroad@tin, lro@transfer.stratus.com,
caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Welcome to offroad - Hello from Paul
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 Feb 93 08:29:47 CST."
<9302201429.AA02764@rwasic17.aud.alcatel.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 10:34:36 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> Paul Anderson said he would answer specific questions on Range Rovers,
> but I'm afraid I scared him off by asking for the life history of Rovers...
History, you want ?
Basicly Land Rovers started production sometime about '48,
generally they come in two wheelbases, short and long, and
are referred to by their wheel base length (in inches), and
the 'series', consider it a model number...
All have steel frames, and aluminum bodies, though I think some
later models have gone to some steel panels (roof ? hatch ?) for
structural reasons.
The years here are best guesses:
Series years short long notes
I '48->57 80 107
II '58->63 88 109
IIa '64->72 88 109 negative earth electrical system
III '73->7? 88 109 last US imported in '73
Above came in either body style: Pick-Up or Station Wagon.
Most had 4cyl, some 109's had a 6 cyl, leaf springs, part-time 4wd.
Current Models, range of engine options, only V-8s imported to US:
'77-> 90 110 aka 'the Defender', 500 imported in '92/3
Range '74?-> 100 108 SWB Imported to US since '87,
LWB created for US, since '92?
Discovery '89?-> ? possibly imported after '94
I think all the current models have coils at all 4 corners, and full-time 4wd.
The Range Rover also has ABS, Traction Control and electronic controlled air
suspension in the current models.
Yes, not unlike other small volume European manufacturers, and may US ones,
the basic body style remains the same for long periods of time.
--bill wpc@caloccia.net caloccia@Stratus.Com
N R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase
| +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." '69 Mk.IIa 88"
OD 2 4 4 L land-rover-owners-request@Team.Net
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 09:55:38 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com
Subject: Re: 90 to be imported
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 Feb 93 10:24:32 -1812."
<9302201618.AA05799@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 10:43:02 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> I don't know if this is general knowledge or not but I saw in a couple of
> articles while doing some searching on Lexus that Land Rover is talking
> about importing a 90 to complement the 110 they brought over earlier. List
> ~ $30,000 with V8, 4 wheel disk brakes, and soft top. Greg
That would be interesting...but I would think that they would be unable
to bring in 90"s for the same reason they can't bring in 110"s after '93
I think I hold out for the Disco, that is rumoured to be a good
possibility for a future import...
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 10:22:51 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 22 Feb 1993 09:13:27 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/02/22 16:01:33 UT from (CALOCCIA) William Caloccia" Subject: Re: 90 to be imported X-Post: RSFLAGS >> I don't know if this is general knowledge or not but I saw in a couple of >> articles while doing some searching on Lexus that Land Rover is talking >> about importing a 90 to complement the 110 they brought over earlier. List >> ~ $30,000 with V8, 4 wheel disk brakes, and soft top. Greg > > That would be interesting...but I would think that they would be unable > to bring in 90"s for the same reason they can't bring in 110"s after '93 > > I think I hold out for the Disco, that is rumoured to be a good > possibility for a future import... The reason for not bring the Defender (110") in after the '93 model year is the US regulations on air bags. According to Rover, they will not retrofit them to the Defender. My same Rover sources confirm that the Discovery (90") is coming. The date is still not yet set, but '94 is becoming more likely. The date for the Discovery has bounced between '93 and '96. Land Rover is having great concerns over the use of air bags in what is to be an offroad capable vehicle. I have not asked the question since last April, but major questions and technical challenges were facing their engineering staff. They want to make sure that it will not deploy by accident while offroad at the same time meet on road standards. Product Liability is the major concern. The last printed report I seen on the Discovery placed a $30K base on it. Remember, it will receive the 25% tariff since it is two door. The top end of the vehicle is to be $35K. *============================================================================* * * __________ * * Paul Anderson * / \___ Exceptional Vehicles * * ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM * :__Range_Rover__: are for * * * (_) (_) Exceptional People| * *============================================================================*
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 10:38:20 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com>
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: 90 to be imported
In-Reply-To: Your message of "22 Feb 93 09:13:27 MST."
<"ACUS05 93/02/22 16:13:27.611084"@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:30:45 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> The reason for not bring the Defender (110") in after the '93 model year
> is the US regulations on air bags. According to Rover, they will not
> retrofit them to the Defender.
> My same Rover sources confirm that the Discovery (90") is coming. The
> Land Rover is having great concerns over the use of air bags in what is
> to be an offroad capable vehicle. I have not asked the question since
> last April, but major questions and technical challenges were facing
> their engineering staff. They want to make sure that it will not
> deploy by accident while offroad at the same time meet on road standards.
> Product Liability is the major concern.
Well air bags to seem a bit silly when you might be lurching about
to begin with and what pray tell, what does one do when you want to do
the push bumper thing ?
It seems like passive belts would be a better way to go than air-bags,
(as awful as those damned motorized mice are.)
Just something else to put a disconnect switch in line with.
> The last printed report I seen on the Discovery placed a $30K base on it.
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 12:05:51 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: FAQ/supplier/publication list (was 90 to be imported) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:58:05 CST In-Reply-To: <9302201618.AA05799@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>; from "Greg Hiner" at Feb 20, 93 10:24 am Greg Hiner said: > ALSO - and forgive me if this is already available - but I would think that > a list containing addresses of suppliers, publications and other rover > related stuff might be worth putting together for all involved. What do you > think? If there is interest I would be happy to put it together if you all > would mail me the info that you have. WONDERFUL idea! As a neophyte Land Rover owner, this would be extremely valuable to me, and I am sure to many other people as well. My dealings so far have been exclusively with Rovers North; I just sent off for a catalog from Atlantic British. Perhaps patterning this on the Supplier list available on the British Car list would be good? That list also includes personal endorsements/warnings/etc regarding experiences with the suppliers, etc. Unfortunately, other than addresses of the above two suppliers, and generally good reactions to Rovers North (other than prices... :) I don't know much of anything. :( Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 12:44:35 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: FAQ/supplier/publication list (was 90 to be imported) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:58:05 CST In-Reply-To: <9302201618.AA05799@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>; from "Greg Hiner" at Feb 20, 93 10:24 am Greg Hiner said: > ALSO - and forgive me if this is already available - but I would think that > a list containing addresses of suppliers, publications and other rover > related stuff might be worth putting together for all involved. What do you > think? If there is interest I would be happy to put it together if you all > would mail me the info that you have. WONDERFUL idea! As a neophyte Land Rover owner, this would be extremely valuable to me, and I am sure to many other people as well. My dealings so far have been exclusively with Rovers North; I just sent off for a catalog from Atlantic British. Perhaps patterning this on the Supplier list available on the British Car list would be good? That list also includes personal endorsements/warnings/etc regarding experiences with the suppliers, etc. Unfortunately, other than addresses of the above two suppliers, and generally good reactions to Rovers North (other than prices... :) I don't know much of anything. :( Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 13:43:15 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: FAQ/supplier/publication list (was 90 to be imported) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:58:05 CST In-Reply-To: <9302201618.AA05799@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>; from "Greg Hiner" at Feb 20, 93 10:24 am Greg Hiner said: > ALSO - and forgive me if this is already available - but I would think that > a list containing addresses of suppliers, publications and other rover > related stuff might be worth putting together for all involved. What do you > think? If there is interest I would be happy to put it together if you all > would mail me the info that you have. WONDERFUL idea! As a neophyte Land Rover owner, this would be extremely valuable to me, and I am sure to many other people as well. My dealings so far have been exclusively with Rovers North; I just sent off for a catalog from Atlantic British. Perhaps patterning this on the Supplier list available on the British Car list would be good? That list also includes personal endorsements/warnings/etc regarding experiences with the suppliers, etc. Unfortunately, other than addresses of the above two suppliers, and generally good reactions to Rovers North (other than prices... :) I don't know much of anything. :( Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 14:45:18 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: FAQ/supplier/publication list (was 90 to be imported) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:58:05 CST In-Reply-To: <9302201618.AA05799@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>; from "Greg Hiner" at Feb 20, 93 10:24 am Greg Hiner said: > ALSO - and forgive me if this is already available - but I would think that > a list containing addresses of suppliers, publications and other rover > related stuff might be worth putting together for all involved. What do you > think? If there is interest I would be happy to put it together if you all > would mail me the info that you have. WONDERFUL idea! As a neophyte Land Rover owner, this would be extremely valuable to me, and I am sure to many other people as well. My dealings so far have been exclusively with Rovers North; I just sent off for a catalog from Atlantic British. Perhaps patterning this on the Supplier list available on the British Car list would be good? That list also includes personal endorsements/warnings/etc regarding experiences with the suppliers, etc. Unfortunately, other than addresses of the above two suppliers, and generally good reactions to Rovers North (other than prices... :) I don't know much of anything. :( Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 14:49:47 1993
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 12:35:39 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com>
To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Land/Range Rover Magazines
Does any one have some addresses for Land Rover/Range Rover
magazines, on either side of the pond ?
Thanks
Russ Burns
Range Rover abuser
I just started receiving Land Rover Owner magazine. It
contains lots of Range Rover stuff also. It's published in
the UK. I don't have a copy at work...I'll bring in the
address on monday and send out. I would also be interested
in any other publications on the LR.
Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com
1970 SeriesIIA 88" LR
Here's the address:
LRO Publications LTD.
The Hullies, Botesdale, Diss, Norfolk IP22 1BZ
UK
When I received the 1st issue it included order forms
for books and other LR/RR items. The subscription
price is 25 pounds UK, 32 pounds western europe, 35
pounds USA and Canada, and 45 pounds all other
countries. The magazine is very good quality.
Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 15:11:04 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: new member
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:00:39 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
I took the liberty of forwarding Peter's intro note from the offroad mailing
list of a few weeks ago...
The forward control is a cab-forward, or 'cab-over' engine configuration,
typical with many trucks, LR did these mostly for the military.
-- Bill
------- Forwarded Message
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:17:05 -0400
From: Peter van de Landen <uunet!mailrus!samsung!ulowell!frg.eur.nl!landen>
To: mailrus!ai.gtri.gatech.edu!offroad
Subject: Introducing myself.
X-Envelope-To: offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu
X-Popmail-Charset: English
Vehicle(s) : '92 Landrover Discovery
INTERNET address : landen@cvx.eur.nl
I read about this list in rec.autos. I bought my 4x4 half a year ago, I
haven't done much offroad driving with it yet. I'm not sure if I will in
the future, but perhaps reading this list will change my mind. Holland is
not very well suited for off road driving, the few 'rough' spots are
jealously (and justifiably) guarded by environmentalists. The car taxes in
Holland make it very attractive to own a 4x4 (without rear seats) , in my
case it is about 60% cheaper than a comparibly priced 'normal' car.
I bought the Landrover because I found it to be a very comfortable, stylish
and attractive car compared to the American and Japanese alternatives.
Peter van der Landen
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 21:05:12 +0100
From: Peter van der Landen <landen@frg.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: About the land-rover-owner list !!!
???? Only this weekend I learned of this list and I subscribed immediately,
I haven't received anything yet, though. I own a '92 Discovery Tdi, by the
way. How come you read my intro just now? It must be a few months old.
Am I the only one with a Discovery? What about the "forward control", I
never heard of that.
Thanks for the info,
Peter van der Landen
+----------------------------------+---------------------------------+
| J.P. van der Landen | Home address |
| Centre for Computers and Law +---------------------------------+
| Erasmus University | J.P. van der Landen |
| PO Box 1738 | Rochussenstraat 135-C |
| 3000 DR Rotterdam | 3015 EJ Rotterdam |
| The Netherlands | The Netherlands |
+----------------------------------+---------------------------------+
| Tel 31-10-4082187 | Tel 31-10-4367143 |
| Fax 31-10-4532920 | Fax 31-10-4367600 |
+----------------------------------+---------------------------------+
Electronic mail Landen@cvx.eur.nl
------- End of Forwarded Message
From shute!caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com Mon Feb 22 15:11:31 1993
To: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com>
Cc: lro-request@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Problems with mail at your end (I think)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Feb 93 15:05:57 CST."
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:11:23 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
Hi Bill:
> After sleuthing about a bit here at Monsanto, I think I can say that there
> seems to be a problem at your end regarding duplicated copies of lro
> postings.
> I posted one message this morning, and instead of the single bounceback I
> expected, I got four copies, spaced about 25 minutes apart.
> I can confirm that my message only went out once from Monsanto. Has
> something changed recently on the list handling? I have also noticed this
> effect occasionally with other peoples postings as well. If supporting
> documentation like mail headers would be useful, just give a yell. All my
> copies are identical up to the "Received: by transfer.stratus.com" line.
> Mark Grieshaber
> mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
Hi Mark,
There was an addition this morning which appears to have a bad address,
sometimes the sendmail trips on it self trying to send out mail when the
initial request fails. 25 minutes is a bit short, as our sendmail process
on that machine is scheduled to re-run only once an hour.
I've since fixed the erronious address, and hopefully it won't happen
again.
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 23 09:16:45 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Discovery To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 15:09:01 GMT Just acouple of points to clear any possible misunderstandings. The Disco is a 100",i.e it is on the Range Rover chassis. Also Ther are two and four door models,in fact most of the Disco's knocking about their homeland are 4dr Tdi (turbo diesels). A question.Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the current range sold by Land Rover are the diesel option (at home that is),are there regulations in the USA that preclude their export,or is it just that petrol is cheaper over there? Just Wondering Mike Rooth '70 88" 21/4 diesel.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 23 10:37:18 1993
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To: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Discovery
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 93 15:09:01 GMT."
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 11:28:09 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> Just acouple of points to clear any possible misunderstandings.
> The Disco is a 100",i.e it is on the Range Rover chassis.
> Also Ther are two and four door models,in fact most of the Disco's
> knocking about their homeland are 4dr Tdi (turbo diesels).
> A question.Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the current range
> sold by Land Rover are the diesel option (at home that is),are there
> regulations in the USA that preclude their export,or is it just that
> petrol is cheaper over there?
1. Petrol is much cheaper than your petrol ($1.10 to $1.40 per US Gal,
depending on Octane grade, and state taxes) Diesel is usually
priced at the lower end of that range.
2. Americans have this inane idea that diesels polute more
than petrol engines, because (a) you can see the carbon,
(b) there are still fleets of all old, ill-maintained public
buses smell awful.
3. General Motors converted gas engines (v-8's) and put them in
some car models, and sold Americans diesels that got worse
fuel economy than petrol engines... and were expensive to
maintain.
4. Marketing geeks only remember #2 and #3.
In the seventies and eighties, Land Rover, Mercedes and Volkswagen
imported their diesels, however, in this decade, neither does.
No Volkswagen 'green' turbo diesels (no Westfalia campers either).
No Mercedes Turbo Diesels (no Glenderwagens either).
Ranger Rovers, only top-of-the-line leather covered models with
the biggest petrol engine they make.
We can't get 90"s, or 110", or stripped Range Rovers with cloth seats,
or anything with a diesel power plant.
We can't get Eurovans or other Volkswagens with diesel power plants.
I think I could acutally live with the better fuel economy of a
Disco Tdi, but I don't think we'll ever see them over here unless
someone turns of the gas pipeline again, like in the early '70's.
- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 23 11:13:08 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Disco's and Thse Smelly Diesels To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 17:01:57 GMT Thanks Bill,that explains it.Like you we are starting to get this "Oooh it smells *awful* so it must be twice as harmful"brigade.So much so that our revered and utterly stupid Ministry of Transport has decreed that diesels should have their emmissions tested in the annual.....well,safety check I suppose you'd call it,we call it the MOT test.Petrol engines under a certain age are alredy checked,but over that age are exempt.Not so diesels.ALL diesels,they say. The method is *most* scientific.You bung the probe up the exhaust and then run the engine FLAT OUT until a reading is obtained. Needless to say,a good many engines have expired under this treatment. It first came into force on Jan 1st this year.The garages that run this scheme have had to take out extra insurance,and the Ministry has wriggled out of any responsibility.Needless to say,the practice has now ceased,and the Ministry is now scratching its collective knees trying to find an alternative.The interesting thing is that they werent looking for CO emmissions:'cos there arent any;or NOX;'cos there isnt bugger all of that either,but for SOOT,for god's sake!The Germans,in their typical Tutonic efficiency have the problem sorted.You dont like ze schmell of ze diesel?Right ve vill scent it!And they have!Reports say you can have a choice of what your emmissions smell of.I LIKE it:-) Cheers Mike Rooth (And an unrepentantly Ponging 2 1/4 Diesel)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 23 13:13:56 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: LOR magazine
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 19:38:55 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
For those who have excess cash burning a hole in their pocket, here is the
address to subscribe to Land Rover Owner International...
LRO International
c/o Mercury Airfrieght Int.
2323 Randolph Avenue
Avenel, New Jersey
07001
Cost $50 US/year
Rgds,
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Feb 23 22:59:33 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 22:58:25 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: More on the 90 Just thought I would pass this along to clarify my earlier comments on importing the 90 to the states. Greg
From Autoweek - Feb. 15, 1993 via Nexis
$ 30,000 ROVER. Land Rover ''sometime later this year'' will import the
Defender 90, a short-wheelbase, two-door version of last year's four-door
Defender.
The truck will start at $ 30,000, which includes a 25-percent import duty.
The base price is for a bare-bones version. Dealers will carry options such
as winches, fabric tops and brush guards. Plan on a loaded model costing
more than $ 35,000.
PR Newswire, February 8, 1993 via Nexis
Encouraged by the surging popularity of its products, Land Rover North
America, Inc. announced it is developing the Land Rover Defender 90 soft
top for possible import as the next phase of its product expansion plans in
North America.
The success of the limited edition Land Rover Defender 110, which was
introduced in August 1992, prompted the move. "We have received countless
requests asking us to bring in the two-door Land Rover Defender 90,"
Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America, Inc., said today
at the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) convention.
"So, to satisfy this demand, we are developing a very special soft top
version of the Defender 90 to tackle the North American market."
The Defender 90 under
consideration for the U.S. will be mechanically similar
to the limited edition Defender 110 previously
imported. With a 3.9-liter, 182 hp V-8 engine, five-speed manual
transmission, power steering and four-wheel disc brakes (ventilated
front), the vehicle will be highly capable on and off-pavement.
Outside, the Defender 90 will feature a two-door, convertible body style
with half-height doors for true open-air motoring. As an option, a unique
roll-up soft top with integral "safari cage" support is being developed to
keep out the elements. Built on a 92.9-inch wheel base, the highly
maneuverable Defender 90 features Land Rover construction hallmarks
including permanent four-wheel drive, rigid ladder frame construction
and lightweight aluminum body panels.
A two-door Land Roverwas last sold in the
U.S. in 1974. Many examples are still running and commanding premium
resale prices. The U.S. model is a descendant
of the Land Rover Ninety Series that is world-renowned for its sturdiness
and versatility. No official launch date was announced, though Hughes
did say the new model would be available in limited numbers primarily
through existing Land Rover Defender dealers.
Hughes, who unveiled anartist's rendering of the
proposed Defender 90 at the NADA pressconference, said that a pricing
target of "around $30,000" has been setfor the vehicle. Defender 90 will
be supported by a full array of
accessories to allow an owner to outfit the vehicle as desired.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 26 08:06:33 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Upholstery To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:17:58 GMT Following the recent enquiry about Grey upholstery,I notice in this months LRO,an advert which says "for 23 years we have specialised in replacement trim for Land Rover-any trim,any *colour*(my "italics"),any variation, WE CAN HELP!" The firm is well known and respected in the UK.The name is John Craddock Ltd, 70-76 North Street,Bridgtown,Cannock,Staffs.WS11 3AZ,UK.Tel0543 577207,or 0543 505408,Fax 0543 504818.The advert also states export enquiries welcome. I cant remmber who was asking,I'm afraid,but hope this is some help. Cheers Mike Rooth (88" 11A Diesel)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 26 21:28:28 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 01:49:42 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Upholstery and trim Mike- By "any trim, etc" do they imply that they can supply door trim (ie rubber stripping) that actually fits early LR's?? The stuff I recently bought seemed to be fit for a series III and required much modification. I elected to drill through the new trim and not my body (despite the added pain in the ass) since I figured one fine day I might find the properly drilled trim and refit it. rdushin/nigel ps I think TerriAnn was asking about the Rhino-Hide, but I've been paying close attention to this discussion since I also have a resto-rig that originally came with it (a '67 88). Also, I was recently browsing through some oldold family slides that included a '60 series II that had white seats. Nige, also a '60 '88, has been refitted by a previous owner with black seats and I've begun to wonder whether white ones were the standard for the '60 model year-any super-buffs out there know if this was so??
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Feb 26 22:24:10 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 01:49:42 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Upholstery and trim Mike- By "any trim, etc" do they imply that they can supply door trim (ie rubber stripping) that actually fits early LR's?? The stuff I recently bought seemed to be fit for a series III and required much modification. I elected to drill through the new trim and not my body (despite the added pain in the ass) since I figured one fine day I might find the properly drilled trim and refit it. rdushin/nigel ps I think TerriAnn was asking about the Rhino-Hide, but I've been paying close attention to this discussion since I also have a resto-rig that originally came with it (a '67 88). Also, I was recently browsing through some oldold family slides that included a '60 series II that had white seats. Nige, also a '60 '88, has been refitted by a previous owner with black seats and I've begun to wonder whether white ones were the standard for the '60 model year-any super-buffs out there know if this was so??
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Feb 28 14:33:05 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 14:28:48 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Land Rover List (long) Here is a collected list of suppliers, dealers, and such pertaining to the Land Rover. Please comment as to any typos and especially any comments you would like to pass along as to the various suppliers listed (so we can have an annotated list). At the end is a long list of Land Rover dealers. You may find this extraneous - I thought it was a good idea - let me know what you think. I can always remove it. Also this list cannot be complete and that is why I'm posting it now - in hopes of getting some more feedback. It would be nice to have the names of some of the bigger suppliers in England. Greg Thanks to - Paul Anderson - ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com Mark V Grieshaber - mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com Bruce Harding - Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com Dixon Kenner - dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca R. Glenn Stauffer - stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu ******LAND ROVERS - RESTORED, USED, & PARTS****** ---------- Atlantic British Ltd Box 110 Rover Ridge Drive Mechanicville, NY 12118 (800) 533-2210 ---------- The British Northwest Land-Rover Co. 1043 Kaiser Rd. SW Olympia, WA 98502 parts - (206) 866-2254 sales - (206) 866-2381 ---------- D.A.P. Enterprises, Inc. 7 Kendrick Road Wareham, MA 02571 (508) 291-1311 Range Rover and Land Rover parts & accessories - warehouse distributors for Lucas & Girling ---------- Rovers North Box 61 Route 128 Westford, VT 05494 (802) 879-0032 Authorized Land Rover parts supplier ---------- Rover's West Eight Parts 4060 Michigan Tucson, AZ 85714 (602) 748-8115 ---------- Roverworks - New York 800-999-6402 Land Rovers available: 1959-1974 Full Restorations, All Components rebuilt Base Model 88 $17,000 109 Regular $19,500 109 Safari $24,000 Used Models (currently importing a wide range of models from the UK. Prices start at $5,000) 1967 88 hardtop (VG) $ 8,000 1961 109 Safari $19,000 1967 109 Safari $12,000 Roverworks also sells restoration kits and new and rebuilt parts. ---------- UK Imports (don't know if this is the company name or not) LH & RH drive, all models $2,100 - $6,500 (215) 437-6125 fax (215) 435-2107 ******MAGAZINES AND OTHER PUBLICATIONS****** LRO International c/o Mercury Airfrieght Int. 2323 Randolph Avenue New Jersey 07001 Cost $50 US/year also this address LRO Publications LTD. The Hullies, Botesdale, Diss, Norfolk IP22 1BZ UK ******LAND ROVER CLUBS****** Land Rover of North America (LRONA) PO BOX 6836 OAKLAND CA 94603 USA. Editor - Brad Blevins 2998 Atlantic St Concord, CA 94518 USA voice or fax (510) 687-1188. ******LAND ROVER DEALERS****** Andrew Cadillac Company (615) 373-3800 Maryland Farms Brentwood, TN 37024 Aristocrat Motor Company, Inc (913) 677-3300 9400 West 65th Street Shawnee Mission, KS 66203 Ascot Imported Cars, Inc. (412) 741-3300 418 Walnut Street Sewickley, PA 15143 Autohaus Tischer, Inc (301) 498-7400 3225 Ft. Meade Road Laurel, MD 20707 Automaster (802) 985-8482 Route 7 Box 220 Shelburne, VT 05482 Baker Motor of Charleston, Inc. (803) 577-3885 1081 Morrison Drive Charleston, SC 29403 Barney Garver Motors (713) 869-4855 7025 Katy Road Houston, TX 77024 Bauer Motors (714) 971-5550 2025 South Manchester Avenue Anaheim, CA 92802 Baxter Chysler-Plymouth, Inc. (402) 493-7800 11910 West Dodge Road Omaha, NE 68154 Benson Motor Company (504) 522-2365 2001 St. Charles Avenue New Orleans, LA 70130 Berndt Classic Imports (414) 543-3000 2400 South 108th Street Milwaukee, WI 53227 Bill Jacobs Motorsport, Inc. (708) 357-1200 1564 West Ogden Avenue Naperville, IL 60566 Bluff City British Cars, Inc. (901) 743-4422 1810 B Getwell Road Memphis, TN 38111 Bob Moore Cadillac, Inc. (405) 232-0381 400 North Walker Oklahoma City, OK 73102 Brandywine Motor Cars, Inc. (215) 696-1220 715 Auto Park Boulevard West Chester, PA 19382 British Motor Car Distributors, LTD (415) 776-7700 901 Van Ness Avenue San Francisco, CA 94109 Carousel Automobiles (612) 544-9591 8989 Wayzata Boulevard Minneapolis, MN 55426 Chaisson Motor Cars (702) 871-1010 2333 South Decatur Boulevard Las Vegas, NV 89102 Cherry Hill Imports, Corp. (609) 665-5370 2261 Route 70 West Cherry Hill, NJ 08002 Cole European (415) 935-2653 2103 North Main Street Walnut Creek, CA 94596 Continental Cars Limited (808) 537-5365 1069 South Beretania Street Honululu, HI 96814 Don Rasmussen Company (503) 226-0380 2001 SouthWest Jefferson Street Portland, OR 97201 Don Snell Buick, Inc. (800) 231-3445 11400 North Central Expressway Dallas, TX 75243 Fields Range Rover (407) 695-9100 265 North Highway 17-92 Longwood, FL 32750 Foreign Motors West, Inc. (508) 655-5350 235 North Main Street Natick, MA 01760 Frankel Cadillac Company (410) 484-8800 201 Reisterstown Road Baltimore, MD 21208 Fred Lavery Company (313) 645-5930 499 South Hunter Boulevard Birmingham, MI 48009 Frederick Cadillac, LTD (206) 728-7900 2301 6th Avenue Seattle, WA 98121 Gengras Motor Cars (203) 522-6134 One Weston Park Road Hartford, CT 06120 Great Britains (215) 443-5900 Old York Road & Penn Turnpike Willow Grove, PA 19090 Gregg Motors (805) 682-2000 402 South Hope Avenue Santa Barbara, CA 93105 Grubbs European Motors, Inc. (817) 560-9000 2900 Alta Mere Drive Fort Worth, TX 76116 Gunn Infinity/Range Rover (512) 824-1272 750 N.E. Loop 410 San Antonio, TX 78217 H.B.L., Inc. (703) 442-8200 8545 Leesburg Pike Vienna, VA 22180 Haron Motor Sales (209) 237-5533 2222 Ventura Avenue Fresno, CA 93721 Haywood-Clarke Rover (804) 379-3510 11650 Midlothian Pike Midlothian, VA 23113 Hendrick Imports (704) 535-0885 6950 East Independence Boulevard Charlotte, NC 28227 Hennessy Cadillac, Inc. (404) 261-5700 3040 Piedmont Road Atlanta, GA 30305 Holiday Automotive, Inc. (806) 359-2886 4600 Canyon Drive Amarillo, TX 79109 Holts House of Vehicles, Inc. (716) 334-0880 3925 West Henrietta Road Rochester, NY 14623 Hornburg Jaguar, Inc. (213) 272-7737 9176 Sunset Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90069 Hornburg Jaguar, Inc. (213) 453-3377 3300 Olympic Boulevard Santa Monica, CA 90404 Hubacher Cadillac, Inc. (916) 929-2777 #1 Cadillac Drive Sacramento, CA 95823 Jack Kaplan's, LTD (401) 461-2000 206 Elmwood Avenue Providence, RI 02907 Keller Motor Car Company (518) 785-4197 1111 Troy-Schnectady Road Latham, NY 12110 Knauz Continental Autos, Inc. (708) 234-1700 1044 North Western Avenue Lake Forest, IL 60045 Ladd Hanford Jaguar-Volvo (717) 272-9500 2247 West Cumberland Street Lebanon, PA 17042 Larry Dimmitt Cadillac, Inc. (813) 797-7070 25191 U.S. Highway 19 North Clearwater, FL 34623 Leith, Inc. (919) 876-5432 5601 Capital Boulevard Raleigh, NC 27629 Lyle Pearson Company, Inc. (208) 377-3900 351 Auto Drive Boise, ID 83709 Midwestern Auto Group (614) 889-2571 5016 Post Road Dublin, OH 43017 Newport Imports, Inc. (714) 722-4000 3000 West Pacific Coast Highway Newport Beach, CA 92663 Palm Beach Motor Cars (407) 659-6206 915 South Dixie Highway West Palm Beach, FL 33401 Paul Miller, Inc. (201) 575-7750 250 U.S. Route 46 Parsippany, NJ 07054 Pepe Autos Ltd. (914) 949-4000 50 Bank Street White Plains, NY 10606 Phillips Oldsmolbile, Inc. (804) 499-3771 4949 Virginia Beach Boulevard Virginia Beach, VA 23462 Pioneer Centres (619) 695-3000 9020 Miramar Road San Diego, CA 92126 Pioneer's Land Rover Centre (303) 920-9888 109 Aspen Airport Business Center Aspen, CO 81611 Pioneer Centres, Inc. (303) 751-1500 2950 Havana Street Aurora, CO 80014 Plaza Motor Company (314) 569-1311 11830 Live Street Road Creve Coeur, MO 63141 Prestige Motors, Inc. (201) 265-7800 405 Route 17 Paramus, NJ 07652 R.A.B. Motors, Inc. (415) 454-0582 540 Francisco Boulevard West San Rafael, CA 94901 Land Rover Land (516) 674-8500 350 Glen Head Road Glen Head, NY 11545 Range Rover of Darien (203) 655-7451 1335 Post Road Darien, CT 06820 Range Rover-Clevland (216) 932-9460 3020 Mayfield Road Cleveland Heights, OH 44118 Red Noland Cadillac, Inc. (719) 633-4633 1260 Motor City Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80906 Riverside Motor, Inc. (501) 666-9457 1403 Rebsamen Road Little Rock, AR 72202 San Jose British Motors (408) 246-7600 4040 Stevens Creek Boulevard San Jose, CA 95129 Sandia Imports (505) 884-0066 3400 Menaul Boulevard NorthEast Albuquerque, NM 87107 Schneider & Nelson, Inc. (908) 389-1000 270 Highway No. 36 West Long Branch, NJ 07764 Scott Motor Company (702) 826-0661 2401 South Virginia Street Reno, NV 89502 Scottsdale Jaguar, LTD (602) 990-9000 6925 East McDowell Road Scottsdale, AZ 85257 Shelton Imports, Inc. (813) 263-6070 850 North Tamiami Trail Naples, FL 33940 South Bay Autohaus (310) 534-3333 3233 Pacific Coast Highway Torrance, CA 90505 Symes Cadillac, Inc. (818) 795-3381 3475 East Colorado Boulevard Pasadena, CA 91107 Terry York Motor Cars (818) 990-9870 15800 Ventura Boulevard Encino, CA 91436 Tom Williams Motors, Inc. (205) 252-9512 2200 3rd Avenue South Birmingham, AL 35233 Tom Wood Range Rover (317) 848-7447 3473 East 96th Street Indianapolis, IN 46240 Volkswagen Intermountain - Range Rover (800) 748-4689 3711 South State Street Salt Lake City, UT 84115 Warren Henry Automobiles, Inc. (305) 654-3900 20802 NorthWest 2nd Avenue Miami, FL 33169 Willians Ford Sales, Inc. (513) 891-0500 9260 Montgomery Road Cincinnati, OH 45242 Zumbach Sports Cars, LTD (212) 582-5613 629 West 54th Street New York, NY 10019 Range Rover on Bay (416) 928-9096 76 Davenport Road Toronto, Ontario M5R 1H3 Budd's Imported Cars (416) 845-1443 513 Speers Road Oakvill, Ontario L6K 2G4 Automobiles Elegante (514) 374-6550 4350 Boulevard Metropolitain Est. Montreal, Quebec H1S 1A2 David Morris Fine Cars, LTD (403) 484-9000 17210 103rd Avenue Edmonton, Alberta T5S 1N1 Lone Star Inc. (403) 253-1333 100 Glendeer Circle, SouthEast Calgary, Alberta T2H 2S8 MCL Motor Cars (604) 738-5577 1730 Burrard Street Vancouver, British Columbia V6J 3G7 Chapman Motors Limited (902) 453-2110 3363 Kempt Road Halifax, Nova Scotia B3K 4X5
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