From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 6 09:01:27 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Visit to california/gearbox removal
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:54:08 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Hi net.landy.people,
I live in the UK, but will be visiting San Jose in
California for two weeks 21 Feb - 5 March: Are there any landy/other 4WD
event going off out there at this time? Does anyone on the list live out
there?
I'll have a free weekend whilst out there and would love to do some off-road
stuff. How do I go about finding a vehicle for rent and which routes I can
take? Is there maybe some organisation or 4WD school I can contact? Over here
there are places where you can go for a weekend's 4WD tuition, must be some out
there, what's the legal situation as far as access to the land goes?
Well, there's a few questions for you. Looks like this post is full of them,
here's another one: Just how heavy is the gearbox on a SIII? I'm going to take
mine out to do the clutch, and since I have a military Landy with a bolt on
gearbox X-member, I'm considering lowering it to the floor rather than taking
out the seatbase and floor and bringing it thro' the door. Could two people
lower it to the floor or not?
Cheers,
Steve 74(79) SIII Lightweight V8
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From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 6 11:38:12 1993 Return-Path: <neilson@mprgate.mpr.ca> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:31:23 PST From: neilson@mprgate.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Land Rovers / bhp / etc Hi. A long while back I inquired about Land Rovers, and a bunch of you sent great information regarding the styles/models of Land Rovers. At that time I was looking for a basically stock 88" model. I drove a few and gave up because I just found them much too slow (these had the 2.25 (or thereabouts) litre 4). Off road I am sure the engine would be fine, but for use as a wintertime commute vehicle I think not - for me anyway. I gave up on looking for 4wd's (I also like Land Cruisers and older Jeeps). Well - it's been about a year since then, and I've aquired Land Rover fever again. It happened during the past three weeks, which I spent in Thailand. There were lots and lots of LR's over there, and most were in brilliant condition. After seeing these trucks on and off for three weeks, I realized that this is what I want to have. But ... the power problem ... I remember a bunch of postings from not too long ago in which people were looking at swapping in different engines. Maybe this is the solution? How about a Cummins diesel! Unfortunately I didn't save these messages. If you happened to save them maybe you could forward them to me? What was the general concensus? Was there a preferable swap (from a reliability and power point of view)? What about a full engine/tc/trans swap? And finally - these axles that I keep hearing about - they seem to break a bit too easily. Are there any diffs with beefier axles that can be bolted into a LR? You see, I am definately not a stickler for originality. I just want a neat and interesting truck that goes *anywhere*, and is usable in and around town. Basically I am looking at the LR's and at Land Cruisers. Now I know some of you don't like the LC's - but they do have a certain character - not at all like the LR - but certainly more than the Jeeps. The plus side of these trucks is reliability and power. Their straight six engines never stop, and power is just about perfect for the vehicle (5200lbs dry, 5700lbs loaded). But I like the look and feel of the Land Rover - they are much more stable off road - maybe that's the price I have to pay? But I have babbled long enough ... if you have any ideas that would get me into a LR, I'd love to hear them. See ya, Rob PS: does anyone make a limited slip ... or an air locker equivilent for the LR?
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 7 18:12:44 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:06:48 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: wheel kick Folks- My '60 '88 series II has a bit of a wheel wobble problem. I have recently replaced two of the four ball joints-the lower two that connect the drag link to the swivel pin housings-and ascertained that the upper two (on the steering control arm) are in reasonably good shape. I have also ruled out the steering box as being a source of excessive play (it was, in fact, LOOSE in its mounts!- I tightened it and adjusted the play as per the factory manual) and have also ruled out all of the remaining ball joint connections, etc. There is no play between the steering wheel and the swivel pin housing. This past summer I disassembled the swivel pin housings in order to replace the seals and at that time did a thorough inspection/cleaning/lube of all the bits. Lower bearings and cones "appeared" to be in reasonably good shape and it was all reassembled with the original (except for the seals, of course) bits. At that time I did not have an adequate spring scale to adjust the side-to-side tension, so it was reassembled with all of the original shims as well. Since then, I have obtained such a spring scale (it's a fish scale, of course) and have checked the tension-it came in at about 18 lbs, which is two higher than the manual suggests, but this measurement was made with the seal in place (unlike the diagram and directions in the manual, in which the adjustment is apparently made without the seal). (Before going further I should also mention that the toe- in was adjusted as per a Rovers North suggested method.....jack up the front wheels about one inch off the ground, paint a strip around each front tyre, mark the tyres using a jig composed of a nail in a 2 X 4, and adjust so that the distance at 9 o'clock-on the front-is 1/16" shorter than at 3 o'clock-in the rear). ok.....but here is the catch (and possibly the clue to my problems)-when the drag link bar/lower ball joint is removed from the swivel pin housing and side-to-side torque is applied there is about 5-10 degrees of absolutely FREE play in the swivel pin housing before that 18 lbs of tension is encountered. The play appears to be independent of position. I am not sure if this is play in the splines within the cones that the swivel pin arm rides in or if it is elsewhere. I am also not sure if this play is inherent to the spring- and cone type setup......my manuals (factory and haynes) both state that a certain amount of wheel kick is unavoidable and I wonder if this free play is the source of that "unavoidable kick". Further, I wonder if replacing the cone and spring setup with railiko bushings (just what are railiko bushings??)- as suggested by both manuals-will solve this problem. sorry for the lengthy question. I hope that one of you who is still with me has encountered this problem before and has a useful suggestion. I really don't want another wheel wobble at speed ever again (well, the at speed wobble has not occurred since I correctly adjusted my toe in, but a discernable amout of kick remains). thanks much in advance for anyones advice, r.dushin and nige, the '88.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 8 03:53:40 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Wheel Kick/Gearbox Removal To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 9:51:54 GMT Dushin,the Railko Bush is the replacement upper swivel,fitted to later models than Nige.They offer better friction damping,among other things.Sounds like a set could cure your problem.Incidentally you dont *need* the spring balance,there is a backwoods method of setting up the swivel friction,which I use,and it *is* succesful. Simply remove the road wheel,and remove shims by trial and error until you *just* get the tiniest amount of side to side play on the swivel joint,i.e.grasp the housing at top and bottom and push and pull.Save fiddling about removing ball joints. Steve,a mate of mine removed the gearbox on his S111 diesel through the top,just him and his father and some rope.He said it wasnt all that heavy for two people,and he had the job done in a day.So if the airportable has a similar box,I cant see you having much trouble dropping it down.Wish I had a bolt on gearbox cross member! Hope this helps Mike Rooth 88"S11A Diesel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 8 06:23:05 1993
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Wheel Kick/Gearbox Removal
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:19:57 GMT
Dushin,The Railko Bush is the "modified" (that is,later) upper steering
swivel.I have them in my ,71 11A.Among other things,they offer better
friction damping,so a set could well cure your problem.You will need a
pair of Railko bushes,two "thrust washers" and a pair of upper swivel pins.
Incidentally,you *can* get away without the spring balance when setting
up your swivels.The "backwoods" method which I use,(and it works)is to
remove the road wheel,and add and subtract shims until there is the
merest suggestion of play on the upper swivel.Trial and error.One hand on
the top of the housing,and t'other on the bottom,and push and pull,watching
for movement.Saves having to fiddle about removing ball joints.
Steve,a mate of mine removed the gearbox on his S111,in the usual manner
upwards,with just him,his father,and some rope.He said it wasnt too heavy,
and the job was done in a day.So you should be O.K getting it out downwards.
Wish I had a bolt on cross member.
Hope this helps.
Mike Rooth ('71 11A diesel)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 8 08:36:27 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: LR/bhp/etc To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:33:08 GMT Bob One of the popular engine swaps over here is the Rover (originally Buick) V8.Ask Steve,he's got one.But you have to have a good chassis,*and* make sure the thing will stop!Otherwise,there are all sorts of diesel conversions Nissan,Mazda,etc that are fitted with the relevant adaptor kits,if you *must* have a Jap engine! As for axles,the Salisbury axle fitted....I think...to later 109" is stronger than the Rover axle on earlier 88",and will fit with,if I remember correctly, a mod to the spring platforms on the axle casing.Something to do with the distance between spring centres.Frankly,we rarely hear of half-shaft failure over here,and I'm a bit taken aback that it is apparently so common with you. It rather sounds like what you are after is a S111 88",with an ex Range Rover engine,and a late S11A gearbox.The S111 back axle is a bit stronger,and the late 11A gearbox is stronger than the all synchro S111 box.With ex 109" brakes (bigger)and a servo worked in somehow? Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 14 05:34:37 1993 Return-Path: <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Engine swapping etc....... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 11:32:18 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Mike Rooth: > Bob > One of the popular engine swaps over here is the Rover (originally Buick) > V8.Ask Steve,he's got one. Yup, I have an SD1 V8 fitted running theoretically 130 bhp or so. Everyone knows this is 2-3 times what the 2.25 engine delivers, so everyone assumes there will be trouble. Not so in my opinion and experience. The 2.25 engine is said to be overengineered yielding great robustness and reliability, so who's to say the drivetrain isn't? As for half-shaft breakages; if you drive off road badly with a 2.25 you can break half-shafts, usually caused by the sudden spinning of a previously stuck wheel- rapidly reversing the torque transmitted by the shaft thus shearing it. I use very aggressive mud tyres yet have never broken a half-shaft. The V8 will trickle thro' mud and clay where smaller engines need to rev a lot. Maybe my half-shafts will thus actually last longer? To up the gearing I have Range Rover diffs fitted into the LR axles, upping the roadspeeds about 30% (4.7/3.54). This is where I have had the only drivetrain trouble: Whoever fitted the diffs did not use the correct locking method for the crownwheel bolts and they all fell out, leaving a spinning prop but no rear drive. No damage whasoever resulted!! Fitting of the V8 looked very straightforward (done by previous owner). I've replaced all engine/box mounts with original LR rubber bushes with no trouble whatsoever. There are welded-up brackets to adapt the V8 engine mounting points to the LR chassis points and of course an adaptor bell housing. Clutch plate is often 9.5 inch LR on these conversions with a cover from SII/III/RR/SD1/Jag depending on what flywheel you have, whether you want to drill it or not and whether you have the SII or III release mechanism (there's a lot more adjustment available in the SII mechanism). Hope the above is of some use. Cheers, Steve. Ex-military SIII lightweight, made '74, released '79, V8 fitted. BTW, Mike, what's your email, maybe if you live close we could meet up for a chat?
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 14 12:15:09 1993 Return-Path: <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Engine swapping etc....... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 18:12:15 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Hi Rob, > Hi, and thanks for the info. It does help quite a bit. One thing you mentione > was that you have "aggressive mud tires". I am curious as to the size, and if > you had to flare or cut the rear wheel wells to accomadate them (I am making > an assumption that they are larger than stock). They are 7.50x16 Firestone SATs (Super All Terrain) on Range Rover rims modified to fit LR axles. If you don't know these they are a little more aggressive than General Grabber Mud Terrains. The 750 is the standard size fitted to LWB's, so fits the SWB fine. BTW they are 6-ply's; I would prefer radials like the General above for roadwork too, but they are too expensive for me. The Lightweight has cut away panels anyway, so fouling doesn't really come into it. > btw, how much should I expect to pay for a SIII that is in good to excellent > condition? I guess from your email header that your're on the pacific coast of Canada (?). I really don't know how much they go for over there. Engine conversions here generally put a few hundred pounds on the price if they've been done right, if not the vehicle price plummets (check!). My V8 Lightweight is probably worth >~2k pounds, although Lightweights add a premium as does the engine. Over here there are plenty to choose from. BTW, common sellers of conversion kits here are Parker, Milner (mine) and Phillips. Cheers, Steve.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 14 14:08:28 1993 Return-Path: <Fadushin@top.cis.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 15:00:48 EST From: Fadushin@top.cis.syr.edu To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: address update Sorry to bother eveyrone with this request, but could the lro mailinglist administrator change my mailing address from fadushin@rodan.acs.syr.edu to fadushin@top.cis.syr.edu rodan has moved to MHMail, which I am convinced was designed for the sole purpose of frustrating its users. Fred Dushin Syracuse, NY
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Jan 16 23:06:31 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: engine swaps From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 18:04:14 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Terriann, so you are waiting to swap an engine too... :-) At the annual general meeting of the Ottawa Valley Land Rover club I came up with the idea of "technical" parties where a member supplies the LR and the beer, and in return the more knowledgable members of the club fix something on the donor vehicle. Of course, making the suggestion, I had no option but to be the first guinea pig. Tentatively I am looking at a March engine swap followed by a maiden drive across the backyard into the fields. Errr, well snowdrifts at that time of year... :-) Oh yeah, the editor types at the club newsletter has changed. If all goes well there, I will be supplied with an ascii copy of the March newsletter which will be posted into the newsgroup. If I am keen I will type in the February newsletter now that I have the ok to proceed. Rgds, dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 03:20:12 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Engine swap.... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 9:17:51 GMT Steve, My E-Mail is M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk.If I assume correctly,you work for H.P.Bristol.I am at Loughborough University,Computer Centre thereof. Since we are an HP site,a phone call would not seem odd?Phone no is 0509 222306.No ext,its a DDI no. Cheers Mike
From shute!caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 07:59:09 1993
To: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com>
Subject: Re: Verify my subscription status please.
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Jan 93 13:59:06 CST."
<9301041959.AA04030@shute.monsanto.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 08:59:12 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> My node was down for a week with a fried cpu - can you verify
> that I am still subscribed to lro? I know many lists dump you
Yep, you're still here.
(Personally, I just dump the error mail, it takes me a couple weeks to get
about to reading non-work mail.)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 10:44:06 1993 Return-Path: <leefi@microsoft.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: new LRO member Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 08:31:14 PST From: leefi@microsoft.com hi, i just joined the list. Land Rover Owners list. i've got a 1969 Series IIA 88" and a 1993 Defender 110". it is nice to know that there's a place for Rover owners on the Internet... (moderator, in your welcome message, you can now add the US state of WA to your list of states covered by this list.) my first question: i'm wondering if anyone knows of a place that sells sandmats and raised air intake systems for Rovers. hopefully a place in the Seattle area, :-), or at least a place that sells it mail-order. and i question i realize i'm probably not going to get any answers for this question, but i'll ask anyway. does anyone know where to get adapters to fit the Thule/Yakima-style of snowboard rack attachments to the US '93 Defender 110 Safari Cage? i'll probably have to take it to a welder and have one made... thanks, __ Lee Fisher, Microsoft Corp, leefi@microsoft.com, (UCT-8): +1.206.868.2383 (home), +1.206.936.8621 (work)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 10:55:20 1993 Return-Path: <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com> Subject: Re: new LRO member To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:51:39 CST In-Reply-To: <9301180840.aa02206@ingate.microsoft.COM>; from "leefi@microsoft.com" at Jan 18, 93 8:31 am > hi, i just joined the list. Land Rover Owners list. i've got a 1969 > Series IIA 88" and a 1993 Defender 110". ... > > my first question: i'm wondering if anyone knows of a place that sells > sandmats and raised air intake systems for Rovers. hopefully a place > in the Seattle area, :-), or at least a place that sells it mail-order. Hi Lee, welcome to the list. I also have a 1969 IIA 88". I know that Rovers North sells the original Land Rover Raised air intakes (for deep water operation, etc). Do you have their catalog? I've been buying my stuff for them mailorder with no problems at all. All original Land Rover stuff (mostly). What the heck is a sandmat? Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 11:03:59 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:00:26 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: engine swaps Dixon, You surmised correctly. As you know then engine on my Land Rover's engine h been tired enough that I have not taken it very far for the last 4 years. Just before Christmas, it gave up. Compression from 4 to 1 is: 105, 90,9,0. Compression is supposed to be around 170. Opps #2 should be 95 not 9. I have asked Scotty for help & he has come up with an engine for me that he will go through. The engine is from a 74 Series III that is supposed to be in very good working condition. Scotty will pull the head & have new seats & guides put in & pull the pan & replace as necessary. He has offered a good condition transfer case to replace the one he last described as very worn. I will also bring by the transmission & have him go through it to make sure it get any new parts it needs. I hope to get it done before my trip to Yosimite scheduled for late Feb. I do not really want to take the MG into the snow on steep hills with 1000 ft+ dropoffs. Pulling an engine next weekend outside come rain or shine.., TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 11:35:25 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 18 Jan 1993 10:31:07 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <LRO@transfer.stratus.com> Subject: New member I just wanted to give a little information on myself since I am new to the mailing list. I have owned 4x4's for nearly 10 years now. But, it was not until I move to Arizona that I have learned to enjoy them. Within a two hour radius of the Phoenix Metro area, I can enjoy a wide range of terrain from desert to mountains. This has allowed me to constantly increase my offroad skills with new challenges. A little than three years ago I saw the light, I bought a Range Rover. It has received some of the standard modifications: Rhino Bars & rear tail light guards. I have also found a company that makes a customized rear window deflector (badly needed) and some other interior accessories. *============================================================================* * * __________ * * Paul Anderson * / \___ Exceptional Vehicles * * ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM * :__Range_Rover__: are for * * * (_) (_) Exceptional People| * *============================================================================*
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 18 11:51:48 1993
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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Tyre(tire) Survey
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 17:48:17 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Hi Folks,
I'm real interested in tyres at the moment for highway and off road
use. I suspect there are many brands particularly American of which I have
never heard. Please would you respond (via email rather than the list) to the
questions below? I'll collate and post the results to the list.
1. Tyre and rim presently used
2. What you'd really like for an all purpose tyre/rim
3. What you'd really like for an out and out off-road tyre/rim
--
Best Regards,
Steve. SIII Lightweight V8 on Firestone SATs/RR rims
sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 02:09:36 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: engine swaps From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 23:43:39 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > I have asked Scotty for help & he has come up with an engine for me that he > will go through. The engine is from a 74 Series III that is supposed to be in > very good working condition. I intend to pull the current engine apart once it is out of its happy nest. New pistons and rings will no doubt be in order, but to have a spare working engine somehow makes me feel better. At least that is better than the $200 RN offered me for the thing. It has been a poor week car wise. I have made the mistake of taking on 1 '79 Rabbit as this years winter beater (the price was right... free.) However, last Monday the fuel line went (fixed on Tuedsay), Thursday the front brakes started to go (fixed this evening), and now getting home with new brakes, the alternator has died and I am without power... :-( > Pulling an engine next weekend outside come rain or shine.., I must begin to make preparations. Get a chain hooked up, lift the engine a 1/2" to one inch, block the gearbox, and then undo all of the bolts and any other thing that may get in the way. At least the head is already off, eaving the starter for the most part to deal with. I guess the right wing should come off too, along with the front. Left wing is off & radiator is already out. It seems I do the most work on the beast when it is at least 15f out there... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 02:52:59 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: engine swaps From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 23:43:39 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > I have asked Scotty for help & he has come up with an engine for me that he > will go through. The engine is from a 74 Series III that is supposed to be in > very good working condition. I intend to pull the current engine apart once it is out of its happy nest. New pistons and rings will no doubt be in order, but to have a spare working engine somehow makes me feel better. At least that is better than the $200 RN offered me for the thing. It has been a poor week car wise. I have made the mistake of taking on 1 '79 Rabbit as this years winter beater (the price was right... free.) However, last Monday the fuel line went (fixed on Tuedsay), Thursday the front brakes started to go (fixed this evening), and now getting home with new brakes, the alternator has died and I am without power... :-( > Pulling an engine next weekend outside come rain or shine.., I must begin to make preparations. Get a chain hooked up, lift the engine a 1/2" to one inch, block the gearbox, and then undo all of the bolts and any other thing that may get in the way. At least the head is already off, eaving the starter for the most part to deal with. I guess the right wing should come off too, along with the front. Left wing is off & radiator is already out. It seems I do the most work on the beast when it is at least 15f out there... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 04:23:45 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Tyre Survey To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:05:00 GMT Steve, Tried to reply to your survey.Mail bounced. Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 10:13:10 1993 Return-Path: <ccm!Bruce_Harding@intelhf.intel.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 08:11:48 PST From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com> To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Introduction I just joined the LRO mailing list and wanted to give a little information on myself. I purchased a 1970 series IIA 88" 2 months ago. It has overdrive, weber carb and header. The 'beast' has come in handy as we have had a lot of snow and ICE this winter (at least for Portland, OR). I have been a british auto addict all my life. My first auto was a 65 MG Midget. I currently have a 57 TR3, 75 TR6, and 80 TR8. I have a couple of questions: 1) Where is the best place to get parts from. I have purchased some from British Northwest Landrover. I know thw names of the major suppliers but would appreciate any information concerning their performance. 2) The engine runs smooth except for a sutter when taking off from a standing stop. The vacum advance appears to be operating correctly (I have had to replace it on all my TR's). I haven't received the manual on the carb yet... will it be easy to rebuild/adjust? Thanks, Bruce Harding Intel Corporation
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 12:17:14 1993 Return-Path: <bellas@gamma.tti.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:06:14 PST From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation > I know that >Rovers North sells the original Land Rover Raised air intakes (for deep >water operation, etc). How deep can you get a Rover to operate (assuming you prepare it properly)? How deep with minimal preparation (like water proofing the ignition). This last fortnight here is southern California has been a deluge and the creek that I have to cross has been 70 feet wide by 2 - 2.5 feet deep! My little 4x mini truck failed to make it twice stranding us in the middle of a raging torrent. This has propted my wife to agree to accelerate the plans of getting my 67 109 back on the road (yeah!). I would like to hear from people who have run their Rovers in deep water so that I know this is a good plan for getting home in the rainy months. -Pete- ps. I know it is crossable as my neighbor with the 1 ton Ford 4x4 Crew Cab (diesel) did it with ease. * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com *
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 12:55:59 1993 Return-Path: <bellas@gamma.tti.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:06:14 PST From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation > I know that >Rovers North sells the original Land Rover Raised air intakes (for deep >water operation, etc). How deep can you get a Rover to operate (assuming you prepare it properly)? How deep with minimal preparation (like water proofing the ignition). This last fortnight here is southern California has been a deluge and the creek that I have to cross has been 70 feet wide by 2 - 2.5 feet deep! My little 4x mini truck failed to make it twice stranding us in the middle of a raging torrent. This has propted my wife to agree to accelerate the plans of getting my 67 109 back on the road (yeah!). I would like to hear from people who have run their Rovers in deep water so that I know this is a good plan for getting home in the rainy months. -Pete- ps. I know it is crossable as my neighbor with the 1 ton Ford 4x4 Crew Cab (diesel) did it with ease. * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com *
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 13:02:57 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 19 Jan 1993 11:54:00 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/01/19 18:41:33 UT from (BELLAS) Bellas" Subject: Re: High water operation The Range Rover is officially at 20", but one of their chief engineers at the proving grounds here in Arizona said upward to a meter (approx 3 feet). As for yours, I have seen videos from Land Rover that shows water lapping in the windows. Paul ___Original Letter _______________________________________ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:06:14 PST From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) Message-Id: <9301191806.AA00708@gamma.tti.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation > I know that >Rovers North sells the original Land Rover Raised air intakes (for deep >water operation, etc). How deep can you get a Rover to operate (assuming you prepare it properly)? How deep with minimal preparation (like water proofing the ignition). This last fortnight here is southern California has been a deluge and the creek that I have to cross has been 70 feet wide by 2 - 2.5 feet deep! My little 4x mini truck failed to make it twice stranding us in the middle of a raging torrent. This has propted my wife to agree to accelerate the plans of getting my 67 109 back on the road (yeah!). I would like to hear from people who have run their Rovers in deep water so that I know this is a good plan for getting home in the rainy months. -Pete- ps. I know it is crossable as my neighbor with the 1 ton Ford 4x4 Crew Cab (diesel) did it with ease. * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com * ___End of Original Letter_________________________________
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 13:55:43 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 19 Jan 1993 11:54:00 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <lro@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 93/01/19 18:41:33 UT from (BELLAS) Bellas" Subject: Re: High water operation The Range Rover is officially at 20", but one of their chief engineers at the proving grounds here in Arizona said upward to a meter (approx 3 feet). As for yours, I have seen videos from Land Rover that shows water lapping in the windows. Paul ___Original Letter _______________________________________ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:06:14 PST From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) Message-Id: <9301191806.AA00708@gamma.tti.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation > I know that >Rovers North sells the original Land Rover Raised air intakes (for deep >water operation, etc). How deep can you get a Rover to operate (assuming you prepare it properly)? How deep with minimal preparation (like water proofing the ignition). This last fortnight here is southern California has been a deluge and the creek that I have to cross has been 70 feet wide by 2 - 2.5 feet deep! My little 4x mini truck failed to make it twice stranding us in the middle of a raging torrent. This has propted my wife to agree to accelerate the plans of getting my 67 109 back on the road (yeah!). I would like to hear from people who have run their Rovers in deep water so that I know this is a good plan for getting home in the rainy months. -Pete- ps. I know it is crossable as my neighbor with the 1 ton Ford 4x4 Crew Cab (diesel) did it with ease. * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com * ___End of Original Letter_________________________________
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 15:40:16 1993 Return-Path: <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu> From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Ben Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:31:55 -0800 To: bellas@gamma.tti.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation In a petrol Rover you can ford waters until your distributor gets wet. You can increase your fording depth if you drive at a cetain speed and build up the water in a bow wave leaving a trough in your engine compartment. With a diesal engine Rover, the limitation of fording is not the electrical system. (Although you may loose your headlights and other running lights if their wires get wet.) The limitation with a diesel engine is the height of your air intake. This is why in many Rovers used in extensive off road driving, the air intake (and air filter) are raised to the above the windsheild. I have seen video from the Camel Trophy in which most of the steering wheel would be under water. Of course at some point the Rover may float off the bottom. Ben Smith 1972 88 Ser III ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 16:53:48 1993 Return-Path: <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu> From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Ben Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:31:55 -0800 To: bellas@gamma.tti.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation In a petrol Rover youcan ford waters until your distributor gets wet. You can increase your fording depth if you drive at a cetain speed and build up the water in a bow wave leaving a trough in your engine compartment. With a diesal engine Rover, the limitation of fordin is not the electrical system. (Although you may loose your headlights and other running lights if their wires get wet.) The limitation with a diesel engine is the height of your air intake. This is why in many Rovers used in extensive off road driving, the air intake (and air filter) are raised to the above the windsheild. I have seen video from the Camel trophy in which most of the steering wheel would be under water. Of course at some point the [24~Rover may float off the bottom. Ben Smith 1972 88 Ser III ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 17:21:53 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 23:14:22 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: deep water Pete Bellas asks: >How deep can you get a Rover to operate (assuming you prepare it properly)? Nearly a year ago in a Rovers North newsletter there was a photo of two guys crossing a river in a Rover equipted for aqueous environments. About all you could see was the passenger sucking water with a distraught look on his face and the grin of the driver having the time of his life. If you looked real close, you could make out the steering wheel (the rig had no top and the wind screen was down). Personally, I have no firsthand experience fishing in a land rover, although I may have tossed my fly into a river from the wing at one time or another..... rdushin/nige (who's doin' just fine, incidentally).
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 18:42:57 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com>
Cc: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: parts places
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jan 93 08:11:48 PST."
<930119081148_549@ccm.hf.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 19:34:47 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
Atlantic British Mechville, NY 518.664.6169
British Pacific Pasadena, CA 213.681.9783
- land rover parts (go direct to rovers north)
+ lots after market parts
DAP Wareham, MA 508.291.1311
+ mostly after market parts
Rovers North Westford, VT 802.879.0032
+ offical land rover north america parts importer
(I prefer to go here for mechanical parts -- Bill)
For trim parts, frame parts, mud shields, get on the phone and call for the
Best Deal...
Rovers North and Atlantic British both have catalogs and newsletters
(get them !)
Robert Bently Publishers (Cambridge, Ma) still produces and stocks the manuals
so call there for a price if you want those...
--bill wpc@caloccia.net caloccia@Stratus.Com
N R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase
| +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." '69 Mk.IIa 88"
OD 2 4 4 L land-rover-owners-request@Team.Net
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 18:48:07 1993
Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: High water operation
In-Reply-To: Your message of "19 Jan 93 11:54:00 MST."
<"ACUS05 93/01/19 18:54:00.999594"@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 19:40:43 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
> As for yours, I have seen videos from Land Rover that shows water lapping
> in the windows.
For severe under water crossings, they mount the dash instruments at
the top of the windshield, and the wiper motors too, the raised air intake
is at the top of the windscreen, and then all you need to do is do the
appropriate thing with the clutch housing drain plug, and check all the fluids
more frequently for water contamination (the alternate service schedule is
in the manuals).
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 19 22:34:43 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:32:59 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: New member I just joined the LRO mailing list. I have a 70 88 IIa with overdrive. I have had it for about 6 months. I bought it in Santa Fe, NM, but at the moment I have it here in Austin, TX. I have no real problems with it other than oil consumption - about 1/2 to 3/4 quart per tank. It only smokes when you start it. The oil pressure is good but it drops to zero if you stop sudenly. (comments?) Any comments about the use of unleaded gas (valve wear)? Thanks and I'm glad I found the group - Greg
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 11:59:54 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 09:48:37 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: bellas@gamma.tti.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation Pete, During the floods of '81 & '82 I lived on 12 acres where much of the 1/2 mile long driveway was under water. When not flooding there was a little stream going to the slew. During the floods, The greek became a 300 yard wide river. I drove it while it was deep enough for my peddles to be at water level. This was with no water proofing. You need to drive slowly. Otherwise a bow wave can build up and push more water into the engine compartment than flows out. I never trusted the water proffing kit to work submerged. It is very difficult to install & I am not sure it is 100% water tight. If you do find yourself swimming a Land Rover, there are a number of things you should do after the trip/ rainy season. You should change the 90 wt throughout the car. You do not want water sitting in your bearings or gears. You should also check each of the brake wheel cylenders. I had a couple get water bekind the seals and rust the pistons to the cylinders :*( Swiming Land Rovers can be fun, but take care of it afterwards, row...row...row.. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 12:35:07 1993 Return-Path: <ACUS05@WACCVM.corp.mot.com> Date: 20 Jan 1993 11:24:13 -0700 From: Paul Anderson <ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com> To: <LRO@transfer.stratus.com> Subject: Fair Price I have come across a '72 88 III. I understand it is in good condition, but before I go check it out I wanted to know your views on pricing. They are asking $5,400. What should the ballpark be. This Rover is fully functional. Thanks for you help and advice.......... *============================================================================* * * __________ * * Paul Anderson * / \___ Exceptional Vehicles * * ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM * :__Range_Rover__: are for * * * (_) (_) Exceptional People| * *============================================================================*
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 12:57:59 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 09:48:37 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: bellas@gamma.tti.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation Pete, During the floods of '81 & '82 I lived on 12 acres where much of the 1/2 mile long driveway was under water. When not flooding there was a little stream going to the slew. During the floods, The greek became a 300 yard wide river. I drove it while it was deep enough for my peddles to be at water level. This was with no water proofing. You need to drive slowly. Otherwise a bow wave can build up and push more water into the engine compartment than flows out. I never trusted the water proffing kit to work submerged. It is very difficult to install & I am not sure it is 100% water tight. If you do find yourself swimming a Land Rover, there are a number of things you should do after the trip/ rainy season. You should change the 90 wt throughout the car. You do not want water sitting in your bearings or gears. You should also check each of the brake wheel cylenders. I had a couple get water bekind the seals and rust the pistons to the cylinders :*( Swiming Land Rovers can be fun, but take care of it afterwards, row...row...row.. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 13:58:04 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 09:48:37 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: bellas@gamma.tti.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: High water operation Pete, During the floods of '81 & '82 I lived on 12 acres where much of the 1/2 mile long driveway was under water. When not flooding there was a little stream going to the slew. During the floods, The greek became a 300 yard wide river. I drove it while it was deep enough for my peddles to be at water level. This was with no water proofing. You need to drive slowly. Otherwise a bow wave can build up and push more water into the engine compartment than flows out. I never trusted the water proffing kit to work submerged. It is very difficult to install & I am not sure it is 100% water tight. If you do find yourself swimming a Land Rover, there are a number of things you should do after the trip/ rainy season. You should change the 90 wt throughout the car. You do not want water sitting in your bearings or gears. You should also check each of the brake wheel cylenders. I had a couple get water bekind the seals and rust the pistons to the cylinders :*( Swiming Land Rovers can be fun, but take care of it afterwards, row...row...row.. TeriAnn
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 14:43:35 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 12:34:22 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: New member Greg check the input to your oil pump. A bad 'O' ring & slightly low oil level would cause your problem. TeriAnn 109 Series II two door.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 20 15:57:53 1993 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 12:34:22 -0800 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: New member Greg check the input to your oil pump. A bad 'O' ring & slightly low oil level would cause your problem. TeriAnn 109 Series II two door.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 21 03:26:20 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Oil Usage To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 9:19:53 GMT Greg, If you arent burning oil,you must be losing it.Suggest ckecking crankshaft rear oil seal,timing chain case oil seal etc.Also are the sump bolts tight,and is the sump drain plug washer in good condition. The latter is copper and hardens with use and age (mine has). Do not use unleaded petrol.You. will get valve seat regression,ie your valves will bash their way into the seats,reducing tappet clearances,and will eventually ruin the head.It is possible to run unleaded if you have hardened valve seats inserted. Cheers Mike Rooth '71 88" 2.25 diesel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 21 14:58:21 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:50:03 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: unleaded Mike (and others) have said: >Do not use unleaded petrol. but you may not realize that here in the usofa it is all we can get. a few years ago gas companies selling petrol in the us had to gall to rename their low-grade unleaded fuels as "regular", a term that had previously been reserved for those grades of gasoline that contained lead. given that many a "regular car driver" now has no choice but to put unleaded in the tank, and given also that many a "regular car" does not have the fancy smancy valve seats installed, one is left with but one option-lead substitute fuel additives. I currently use "them"-and by them I mean a variety of those that are on the market-in blind faith that they do actually do some good (but I really do NOT know for certain that they do since I have never done a before-and-after valve seat inspection with the appropriate control experiment-ie w/out additives). the question for this posting is: a) do these lead substitutes really do any good? and b) which particular brand/formula/ingredient is the best? just wondering, while my valves pound away. r.dushin/nigel.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Jan 21 15:59:40 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:50:03 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: unleaded Mike (and others) have said: >Do not use unleaded petrol. but you may not realize that here in the usofa it is all we can get. a few years ago gas companies selling petrol in the us had to gall to rename their low-grade unleaded fuels as "regular", a term that had previously been reserved for those grades of gasoline that contained lead. given that many a "regular car driver" now has no choice but to put unleaded in the tank, and given also that many a "regular car" does not have the fancy smancy valve seats installed, one is left with but one option-lead substitute fuel additives. I currently use "them"-and by them I mean a variety of those that are on the market-in blind faith that they do actually do some good (but I really do NOT know for certain that they do since I have never done a before-and-after valve seat inspection with the appropriate control experiment-ie w/out additives). the question for this posting is: a) do these lead substitutes really do any good? and b) which particular brand/formula/ingredient is the best? just wondering, while my valves pound away. r.dushin/nigel.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 22 04:14:43 1993 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Unleaded To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:01:51 GMT Uh oh! Is my face red,or what! Sorry people,I didnt realise that you could only get unleaded in the States. Right,I've been doing a bit of reading on this,and the outcome seems to be that you can tell whether a lead substitute is working or not by checking the tappet clearances at intervals.If the substitite *is* working the clearances will be either the same or greater(normal behaviour in other words).If not the clearances will reduce.You dont have to take the head off.There is nothing fancy about a hardened valve seat insert. Its just a ring of whtever metal press fitted into the seat,which has been machined out to take it.I hesitate to say this,but I would think it *should* be relatively easy to get this done,even simpler if you can get hold of a secondhand head,so you stay on the road while the work is carried out.I would put new valves in,and new valve seals.As to rebiulding the rest of the engine,well,it depends,doesnt it?What you are doing is really nothing more than a decoke and valve grind job.If the big ends and mains are knackered anyway,they ought to be seen to,whether or not you do a top overhaul.What has to be keplt in mind is that the 2.25 petrol engine started life as the 2 litre diesel.The petrol enginewas developed from it.So the crankcase,crankshaft,etc were designed for a compression ratio of 19.5 to 1,(later raised to 23 to 1 in the 2.25 diesel).Now the petrol version operates at 7 or 8 to 1,so it is *really* overbiult.I reckon,in the words of the immortal bard,"you pays your money and take your choice". There again,my advice is worth what you paid for it:-) Greg,sorry but I got overenthusiastic clearing out my mailbox,and the message has gone. Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Jan 23 11:17:02 1993 Return-Path: <hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:14:26 -1812 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Oil Filters Is there a readily available oil filter in the states that will fit a '70 IIa (gas) engine. I hate to send all the way to Rovers North for an oil filter. Also - what would you do to attain the best performance from a 2.25 liter gas engine at high altitudes (7,000'). I got the car with a Rochester carb. Any thoughts? Greg
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Jan 23 18:52:19 1993 Return-Path: <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu> From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Ben Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 16:46:45 -0800 To: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Oil Filters I bought an adapter plate for my 72 Series III 88. I bought it at the Atlantic British Rally few few years back. The adapter plate allows me to use a standard oil filter by fram which can be bought in any auto parts store. I don'tremember the size exactly,but the same filterfits my fathers 1980 Datsun 510. The drawback (according to the British Pacific mechanic) is that the oil pressre averages about 5psi lower than the normal Rover Oil filter. Ben Smith ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 08:24:43 1993 Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Overdrives ? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:15:51 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: <allen@msbcs.enet.dec.com> Message-Id: <9301212057.AA07002@us1rmc.bb.dec.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:05:20 EST >From: "Michael Allen, 226-6231" <allen@msbcs.enet.dec.com> >I've recently purchased a 1971 Series IIa 88 Model > with no overdrive. Can anyone out there tell me if spending the extra money > for an overdrive installation is really worth it? Info I'm looking for is: > 1) RPM reduction with OD vs 4th gear in high range, and > 2) the OD top speed in high range w/15" rims (theoretical and terminal > velocity for the Series IIa). Many Thanks, Mike ------- End of Forwarded Message
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 09:16:43 1993 Return-Path: <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Subject: overdrives To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:05:02 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Michael Allen via William Caloccia asks: > I've recently purchased a 1971 Series IIa 88 Model > with no overdrive. Can anyone out there tell me if spending the extra money > for an overdrive installation is really worth it? Info I'm looking for is: > 1) RPM reduction with OD vs 4th gear in high range, and > 2) the OD top speed in high range w/15" rims (theoretical and terminal > velocity for the Series IIa). Overdrives are expensive, but they give you around 23% roadspeed increase for given revs, if I remember rightly. You can get an increase by at least two other methods: 1. Fit secondhand Ranger Rover diffs into your LR axles. Up-gearing is 4.7/3.54 = 32.7%. 2. Fit larger tyres, eg going from 600's to 750's buys you around 10% I have both the above since I run a big engine, consequently my speedo reads 40 when I am doing 60 ;-) Hope this helps some. Cheers, Steve (79(74) Lightweight V8)
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 09:47:58 1993 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Overdrives... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:40:39 GMT From: Simon Lewis <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> > I've recently purchased a 1971 Series IIa 88 Model > with no overdrive. Can anyone out there tell me if spending the extra money > for an overdrive installation is really worth it? Info I'm looking for is: > 1) RPM reduction with OD vs 4th gear in high range, and > 2) the OD top speed in high range w/15" rims (theoretical and terminal > velocity for the Series IIa). Overdrives are definitely worth having, if you can afford one. Not only do they give you 20% odd on top of 4th gear, but the overdrive acts as a splitter, because it can be used on any gear. My old 2 1/4 series II had an overdrive, and I would regularly change up 1, 2, 3, overdrive-3, 4, overdrive-4, in order to keep the engine 'on song' during acceleration. With the right lever, and a little practise, both overdrive and main gearlevers can be moved in one movement to give very quick changes. Given the choice, I would take an overdrive on a four-speed 'box in preference to the five-speed with no overdrive on my current LR. Besides this, how else are you going to be able to say "My car has 16 forward gears (and 4 reverse)!"? Simon. PS> Terminal velocity on my overdrive equipped 2 1/4 was about 70 mph.
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 11:43:31 1993
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:33:11 -0800
From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>
To: hiner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, lro@transfer.stratus.com,
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: Oil Filters
Changing the subject:
I know have a rebuildable 2-1/4 petrol engine for sale. I removed it from
my Land Rover last weekend and am replacing it with a fresh engine form a
'74 Series III. My old engine would require a complete rebuild.
Compression is 0-95-90-105. The o is believed to be a burnt valve.
If no one is interested in a rebuildable core, I will offer parts for sale.
I also have a transfer case for sale. It works fine & is resonably quiet.
I am looking for a front left wing in excellent condition. Needs to be early
wing without head light.
The brass top to my LR radiator has developed several cracks. I'm told that
the top needs to be replaced. I am looking for either a readator with
a trashed core and good top (Center top hose entry), or a good condition
radiator.
I am looking for 2 deep flange ceiling vents for the front of an 88
tropical top.
Come on Down & Letys make a deal!
TeriAnn
twakeman@apple.com
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 15:05:17 1993 Return-Path: <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu> From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Ben Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:59:19 -0800 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com Subject: Re: Overdrives... Actually, I've found a high top speed with my 2 1/4 petrol SerIII 88 with roofrack and overdrive. Loaded down and with the Webber single barrel carbeurator I maintain 65-70mph on the flat and slight inclines. On most hills, the speed drops to 55 and I have to shift out of overdrive. When I had the Rochester carbfitted, 80 mph on a slight hill was easily attainable. (I did hit 85 once trying to catch up to a Rover on a flatbed) Ben Smith ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Jan 25 16:04:01 1993
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:53:17 -0500
From: richard@einstein.dartmouth.edu (Richard Brittain)
To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Subscribe
Please subscribe me to this mailing list.
Vital info: 72 Ser IIa model 88 (non functioning :-( )
Richard Brittain, Dept of Physics and Astronomy, Wilder Laboratory,
Dartmouth College, Hanover NH 03755
INTERNET: richard@einstein.dartmouth.edu
SPAN: nsfgw::"richard@einstein.dartmouth.edu"
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 26 10:06:21 1993 Return-Path: <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: caloccia@lectroid.sw.stratus.com Subject: 50 people now on the list ! Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:57:25 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com>
From the start in May 1990 to the present, the Land-Rover-Owner mailing list
has grown to 50 people (not quite as many Rovers though).
Here is what I know of for trucks, whos owners belong to the list:
88" II ('59), Ca
109" II? ('61), Santa Cruz, CA
109" II? PU ('61), Boulder, CO
88" IIa ('64) (daily driver), restoring 88" pick-up ('66) San Ramon, Ca.
109" IIa ('64), CA
109" IIa ('66), Ca
109" IIa ('67), (formerly had '48 I 80") Santa Monica, CA
88" IIa ('69)
88" IIa ('69), Ma
88" IIa ('70), Tx
88" IIa ('71)
88" IIa ('71) diesel, UK
88" IIa ('72) [not working] Hanover, NH
88" III ('70)
88" III ('72), Ca
88" III ('73), Ut
88" III ('73), Ma
109" III ('79), NO
V8 III Airportable, Bristol, UK
Range Rover
Range Rover
90" V8 (current), (formerly had a '66 88") Bristol, UK
110" Defender ('93), US
I can send out a list of people/trucks if no one objects...
-- Bill
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Jan 26 12:11:20 1993 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:01:09 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: overdrives Simon saiz (sorry, couldn't resist): Given the choice, I would take an overdrive on a four-speed 'box in preference to the five-speed with no overdrive on my current LR. Besides this, how else are you going to be able to say "My car has 16 forward gears (and 4 reverse)!"? but wait-don't forget about all those different neutral combinations!! I think there may be 42 (including those in high range 4wd)! r.dushin/nigel
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 27 00:52:25 1993 Return-Path: <leefi@microsoft.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: snowplow blades for US '93 Defender? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:50:49 PST From: leefi@microsoft.com does anyone have a contact for snowplow blades for the US '93 Defender? the only places i've been able to contact in the US (Fischer, Western, Snoway, etc) don't have any that will fit the new-to-US-soil-Defender. if anyone has any info on this, i'd appreciate it. thanks, __ Lee Fisher, Microsoft Corp., leefi@microsoft.com, +1.206.936.8621
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 27 07:13:12 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fearful!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: 50 people now on the list ! From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:58:26 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec William Caloccia <caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> writes: > I can send out a list of people/trucks if no one objects... No objections from me... :-) Most people include their vehicle in their signature line anyway. <1> On a tangent... I am amazed by the fact, at least locally, that LR owners seem to be a group who have little or no knowledge or interest in computers and computer networks. All of my attempts to get some of the 50+ Ottawa Valley Land Rover club members to use this mailing list seem to have failed. I must add however, that they greedily read the printouts of this mailing-list when I drop a copy by at the regular monthly meeting. Oh well, I have a few nibbles, and hope to expand participation here <grin> [the new newsletter editor is a prime candidate] Oh yeah, my statement that there were some 70 LR's in the Ottawa area was in error. The actual number I am informed is in excess of 100 of our aluminium friends within a 70 mile radius on me. This error can be simply explained that all good LR or LBC owners can not bear to have *only* one of a vehicle sitting about. A good example would be one friend who has a Military lightweight, two 88"'s, and a 109". I have a pair of Mini's, a pair of TR-7's and am searching for a 88" LR. I understand that there were 16,000 LR's sold into North America. Does anyone know the distribution of them between Canada and the United States? That I see a message from someone in the St. Louis area who has ever seen one, and the price of one for sale was ludicrous (more on that later), yet we seem to have them coming out our ears. Even Toronto, Ontario seems to have quite a few. [This months Land Rover Owner magazine has some photos of the Toronto LR's with the Cross-Canada bunch playing in Lake Ontario] As for pricing, did anyone see the recent price list of LR's from Rovers North (on blue paper)? Though they are LR's being privately sold, the reaction up here was one of amazement that they would be so expensive. A working LR shouldn't cost more than $2,000. Upwards of $5,000 if it is in really good shape. Oh well... [if there is interest, I will see if it can be scanned into an ascii text file] In other LR related news, I went by a friend's this past Saturday (he had come by here to take a look at my 109 and see what additional parts would be required for the planned "technical party in March" and I to look at a 1968 Mk II Cooper 'S' he is selling.) and on the ruturn visit we stopped by one '61 88" undergoing a ~frame-up restoration (pick-up). Upon arriving at his home, discovered a series III (working), a 109" pick-up in his back field (working, but in need of some tlc and a rear spring), and a second 88" (owned by the owner of the 88" undergoing the restoration work, and no longer a donor vehicle, as it will probably be fixed too...) beside his garage. I must admit that moving an additional two 2.25l petrol engines from the back field to his garage was softened by thrashing the LR through the snow drifts and fields around his place... <grin> Oh yeah, those engines are *heavy*... January OVLR newsletter to follow later this week... Regards from the frozen tundra Dixon '64 109" Station Waggon 1. One of the members on OVLR insists that we do not own trucks. The only LR owner of a truck is someone who owns a military version, as they were legally designated as trucks, while ours were designated as automobiles. -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 27 07:41:17 1993
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From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Ben Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 05:37:18 -0800
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: List of Rovers
Feel free to inlcude my vehicle on you list. I have a 1972 Series III 88
with hard top, Warn 8000 lbs winch and roofrack.
If your's making a snail mail list. I can be gotten at
Box 645 Blacker Hovse
Caltech
Pasadena, CA 91126
(818)578-9545
Ben Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Jan 27 18:44:05 1993
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: December Newsletter, Ottawa Valley Land Rover club
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:56:32 -0500
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
Note: Below is the December newsletter of the Ottawa Valley Land Rover
club. Any typos et cetera are probably mine. This is not the
entire newsletter, as generally the newsletter contains articles,
old advertisements etc. which have graphics which do not translate
well into simple 'ol ASCII. dk
===========================================================================
OTTAWA VALLEY LAND ROVERS
1016 NORMANDY CRES., OTTAWA, ONT., K2C OL4
G'day eh: Dec 8/92
FIRST THE HEADLINES: We have a record number of members nominated
for positions on the 1993 executive, the X-mas party program is in
the bag, the newsletter looks for a new driver next year and we
take a gander at some potential Lugnuts.
Now the details. Nine members returned nomination forms this
year, not many for an eligibility list of 40, but better than
previous years. In all, 13 members were nominated for the four
executive positions but nine declined to run for the one-year term.
Deadline for nominations was midnight, Nov. 30 at the letterhead
address. Two nominations were disqualified when they arrived late.
Several members were nominated for more than one position. The
members and the positions for which they have been nominated are as
follows:
President: Yves Fortin (current VP), Dale Desprey and Lynn Leduc.
Vice President: Yves Fortin, Harry Bligh (current secretary)
Treasurer: Tom Mayor (current treas.), Lynn Leduc.
Secretary: Harry Bligh, Fred Barrett (perennial hopeful)
Jason Dowell, who steered the club through the last two years
as president, declined nominations for a third term.
The election will be held during the Annual General Meeting,
Thursday, Jan. 7, beginning at 7 pm. at the National News building,
2655 Lancaster Rd. Members in good standing living within the
Ottawa Valley may cast their ballots by mail to the letterhead
address before the AGM or deliver them in person at the meeting.
Ballots will not be opened until election time.
All members are invited to attend the annual meeting. It's a
great time to poke fun and abuse at this year's exec, throw a
little praise their way for a job well done or take them to task if
you think they screwed up. Besides the election and a discussion on
activities past and future, come and examine Treasurer Tom's books,
check out the club's tool and equipment inventory and put some
faces on those names you've read in the newsletter. National News
is down the road behind the National Museum of Science and
Technology. Park in the National News lot and enter through the
side door. After the meeting we'll retire for a jar.
Have you got the babysitter picked out? Pressed your formal
dinnerwear? Studied the appropriate rules of etiquette and
polished your charm? If the answer is yes, then you're all set for
the OVLR X-MAS party and spitball exchange, Saturday, Dec. 19 at
the Navy Association Mess, 150 Middle St, Victoria Island (off
Chaudiere Bridge). Veterans of last year's thrash will remember
the warm glow from the fireplace, (or was that Fred Joyce's face?)
the cultured and courteous Maitre'D Louis, (" Shut up, sit down and
eatn) and of course the well stocked bar reflecting the military's
global insight into fine drink, ("We got Labatt's 50, sissyboy.
Youse got a problem wit dat?").
Foodwise this year, we're sticking to one choice--which of
course means no choice--but it's cheaper and in these times of
fiscal restraint it seemed like the proper thing to do. Besides,
chef Clyde said it was left over from Hallow'een and he'd cut off
the blue bits and give us a good deal. So it's roast beef and spuds
with all the trimmings, rolls, coffee and dessert. Al "Bates"
Pilgrim, our seasoned un-events non-co-ordinator, will not be the
Master of Ceremonies again this year. And once again he won't be
assisted in his efforts by newsletter editor Mike NMcD" McDermott.
(Boy, that's really starting to hurt my brain.) The exec and some
members have put together a full evening of fun and frolic,
complete with the traditional awards honoring the really stupid
among us. Cocktails at 6 pm, dinner at 7:30 and the bunfight should
get started about 9. We'll wrap things up around ll but Louis says
he won't toss us in the snowbank until l am. Price is $15 at the
door. (Why not get all the pain over with for the year and pay your
dues at the same time?)
Speaking of dues, the exec managed to hold it to last year's
level of $15 in spite of a raise in costs for paper and postage.
Under the constitution, dues may be used only for production of the
newsle tter, thereby guaranteeing its delivery regardless of the
club's financial condition. Other activities are financed through
the club's fund raisers. There's a one-time initiation fee of $5
for new members. Deadline for renewal is Jan. 7 at the letterhead
address or at the AGM. If you haven't yet paid, do it now. Your
January newsletter depends on it.
On the topic of newsletters, Editor McD (that's me) is taking
a little sabbatical after four years at the helm. The vice
president--responsible for projects and committees--is looking for
volunteers to handle things through 1993. It'll probably be a
cooperative effort so if you can help give VP Yves a call. We're
looking for people to read the mail, compile information, write,
photocopy and lick stamps. There's no money in it, but you get to
poke fun at your friends a lot.
A regular newsletter is a major part of keeping a club Iike
ours together. While some of us see each other on a routine basis,
our club spans Canada, the US and overseas. In many cases, the only
connection some members have to OVLR, is through the newsletter.
Come lend a hand. One day you might live in the boonies.
The search for Lugnut of the Year is nearly over and, thanks
to last month's frantic call for members to fink on a friend, we
have a growing list of contenders for 1992 honors. For newcomers
amonq our little organization, the Lugnut Award is the club's
highest honor and goes to that member who distinguishes himself (or
herself in the 90s) by doing something so stupid as to leave the
rest of humanity speechless and dumbfounded---and laughing
hysterically. Being the warm, caring, sensitive group we are, the
awarding of this honor is carried out with much fanfare and
publicity coupled with a complete disregard for the poor bastard's
pride and self respect. Against that background the awards
committee has narrowed the list to a few members who really stand
out. Here's a quick look so far:
-Fred Barrett: Now on his 234th engine rebuild this year, is
convinced he's found the solution after his 88 squeaked to a halt
returning from Montreal. Oblivious to the pool of antifreze and
engine oil rising around his ankles, Fred "just gave the
distributor a twist and it started up againn. Stay tuned.
-Al "Bates" Pilgrim: (You know he just HAD to be on the list)
Managed to disengage his PTO winch propshaft from the engine
crankshaft WITHOUT removing the winch first. Much clatter and
flying bits involved. Then he ignored "that pinging noise" in his
recently-rebuilt 2-1/4 until the hole in number one piston was
complete. He Ran out of gas so often he's lost count...except two
weeks ago when it happened twice in one day. And, several days ago,
while working on a seized clutch pedal that resulted from a missing
mud shield, (for five years) he almost disconnect all the BRAKE
lines at a junction before being caught. His response: "All those
stupid lines look the same. Why aren't they different colors or
something."
-James Kirkpatrick: While spinning a jacked-up tire, got his thumb
caught in a lug, which promply twisted it into the ground. ouch.
-Tom Hammond: For loading son's 88 to the bumpstops with dead LR
pieces, groaning onto the weigh scales at Baker Metals Ltd.--and
running out of gas.
-Fred Joyce: For becoming the first member in memory to have a full
scale collision with another vehicle in dense bush. And for
following that act several days later by blowing his clutch and
breaking an axle.
-And a certain lady who had difficulty negotiating a sharp turn--
but more on that at the X-mas party.
NEWS...RUMOURS...HIT TIPS...FOR SALE...WANTED...OTHER STUFF...
*-Phil Tuba is selling his 73/88. Call him at (819) 827-4471.
*-Lesslie Kohalmi of Manitoulin Island is selling two Landies...a
72/88 and a 64/109. He's asking $3,500 for a package deal. Phone
him at (705) 859-3369.
*-Derrick Hammond calls with these tips: A 59/88 in Barry's Bay
area (613) 756-2294. Two more in the Huntsville area: A 1950 and a
55. Both these Series ls are hardtops. $695 for both. (705) 789-
3469.
*-Derrick's own 88 is undergoing an engine rebuild at Prez Jason's
shop. Main problem is a burned valve. It'll be ready for the spring
drag races.
*-Michel Bertrand's correct phone number is ( ) . He has
two 88 cabs, a Series 2 exhaust manifold and lotsa other parts for
sale.
*-Non-member Roy Parsons is selling a 6,000 lb Warn electric winch.
No price mentioned. ($400 sound fair) ( ) .
*-Toronto Area Rover Club's newsletter is out with a nice new
cover. Highlights include a look at the first 110 on sale in
Canada, dues increased to $25 to finance some projects and a review
of Rover get-togethers at Grimsby, Bronte and Lode Lane.
*-VP Yves continues to freeze his pinkies with an outside brake job
now that the kayaking season is over. Help from McD, Bates and Dale
Desprey is limited to peering out through frosted windows.
*-Non-member John Pritchard, who operates a mostly British car shop
in Hallville, Ont., has some Land Rover parts for the taking---
free. (613) 989-2121
*-James Kirkpatrick ("Lefty" to his friends), is looking for a set
of those small jump seats found in the rear of some 88s. (519) 438-
9083.
*-Check out the membership phone list in this package. We waited
until the December edition because that's when membership is at
it's highest. It drops off dramatically in the new year until the
deadbeats realize they're not getting their newsletter unless they
pay their dues.
*-OVLR members Pam and Charlie Haigh, she of "Moon over Vermont"
dog biscuits and he of Rovers North mechanical magicshop, send
their regrets. The RN X-mas party is on the same night as ours.
Rats. Merry Christmas guys.
That's all folks.
Editor "McD"
AND A MERRY X-MAS
GENERAL SERVICE By Robin Craig
= = = = = = = = . = = = = ,
First of all, a very Happy Christmas too you all, and may Canta bring you
all the parts for your Land Rover that you asked for.
Well, last month I berated the slowness of Land Rover Owner magazine and
how because of that it was hard to justify its cost. I think the Gods must
have been listening 'cos mine showed up about four days later! Taking only
two weeks to get here instead of the usual month. Lets hope they can keep
it up.
Charlie Haigh, the mechanical saviour of many an OVLR member and Rovers
North (RN) staff member, says that RN is doing quite a bit of work on the
new DEFENDERS that are being sold in the US. Apparently a number of owners
are fitting Michelin XC4 235 85 16's all round. The other major upgrade is
the addition of a Warn 9,000 or 10,000 pound winch. If you were expecting
to see Pam and Charlie at the Christmas party your going to be disappointed
as this year RN are having their own party on the same night as ourS.
Dave Meadows is going to be taking a trip to England next year and has been
investigating the re-build programs offered in the UK by various companies.
should you have any questions Dave can be reached at home.
A large number of members own ex military Land Rovers, so for their benefit
below is a listing from the E M L R A giving the civilian equivalents of
all the military oils and greases that are quoted on your "TRUCK"!
OILS CIV EQUIVALENT COMMON USE
OX8 Brake fluid Hydraulic brake and clutch system
OM13 Light mineral oil Hydraulic power systems
OM33 Hydraulic fluid Hydraulic power systems
OMD45 Two stroke oil (2T) Two stroke cngines
OMD75 Multigrade SAE 10w/30 Engine oil
OMD330 SAE 50 Gearbox oil
OEP220 Hypoid 90 EP Gearbox oil, axle oil
OTHERS
XG279 General Purpose grease Wheel bearings / propshafts
ZX38 Molybdenum Disulphide grease Heat resistant anti seize compound
PX7 Petroleum jelly Battery -terminals, preservative
AL14 Methyl alcohol Air brake system anti-freeze
AL39 Anti-freeze Coolinq system anti--freeze
McD will be taking a year away from OVLR next year as he intends to
demolish his house and rebuild on the same site, at least that is what he
says. To the rest of us that will mean taking up the slack as need be.
Expect to see the newsletter remain on its monthly schedule in its same
format as always but with a different pair of hands at the keyboard. Rest
assured there is no shortage of volunteers for this already.
Have a great time over the holidays and see you in the new year, Robin
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 29 05:58:21 1993
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: People/Rovers List
To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 11:47:50 GMT
Bill,
No objections from me,either.
Details follow,
Name:Mike Rooth
Address:11 Herrick Road,Loughborough,Leicestershire,LE11 2BP,UK
Tel:0509 263199 (Home)
0509 222306 (Work)
Rover:1970 (not 71,I looked it up at the weekend)
Series 11A 2.25 Diesel Hardtop.
Chassis No.27113461G
Colour:Deep Bronze Green/Limestone
Absolutely bog standard,used every day.Owned by me for past
five years.Rebored engine in situ four years ago due to dropped
valve.New pistons,big ends,one new con rod,s/h cyl head,new valves,
valve guides,valve springs,valve oil seals.Worth noting that at that
time,the pistons were the originals,and the big end journals miked up
spot on factory spec,so the big end shells I fitted were standard dia.
Not bad for a twenty yr old power unit?
Cheers
Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Jan 29 23:57:56 1993 Return-Path: <jory@Athena.MIT.EDU> From: jory@athena.mit.edu To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Subject: differential query Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 00:45:12 EST several members of the list have mentioned using range rover differnetials for gear changes ala over drive... could anyone provide more specifics, as regards both the installation, and the driveability... also, are there any other technical considerations (durability, etc.)... in the same vein... i know you can get arb air-lockers for the land rover... are these total replacements for the differential, and could they be gotten in alternative gearings... anyone have any experience with these units... thanks, jory
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