From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Oct 22 04:20:03 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Off Charge To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:16:18 BST Well,Steve,you *did* ask what the charging problem was! Here goes.When any of the electrics are used,(lights,wipers, flashers,etc)the charge warning light glows.It is not at full intensity,anything like,but you *can*see it.Further,the flasher warning light glows faintly all the time,when not signalling a turn. I reckon the only way this can happen,is that the bulb is getting some juice via its earth connection.Now I think there are two possibilities here.One is that there is a frayed wire somewhere connecting an earth to power.The other is that the warning light means what it says.Lately the battery has shown signs of tiredness.Red face time now!The fan belt needed tightening!Aaaaargh!!!Battery performance has improved a bit,but the fault still exists.The battery is about a year old,and *huge*,so I reckon it is not that.Likewise the dynamo (not alternator,I HATE electronics on motor vehicles,and dont much like them anywhere else,either)is a replacement. I have looked for frayed cables had a multimeter on the starter/electric switch,to check for shorting there,since the wiring diagram suggests that is the only place likely for such a misconnection.The switch is OK,but I *do* get a circuit between the battery connection spade on the switch and any wire on the switch WHEN THE WIRE IS DISCONNECTED!That is,shove one probe up the lucar on the wire,and touch the battery connection point with the other. Bingo!A circuit where there shouldnt be one.I'm stumped.BTW the vehicle has been converted to one single 12v battery from two 6v units.It is a 2.25 11A diesel.Generator O/P is 22 amps max as per the book.It has an ammeter fitted,incorrectly,but OK for giving the genny O/P when not using any electrics.When I've got time I'll wire it in properly(I hasten to add it wasnt me that put it in,it was there when I bought the Rover). Well,there it is.If anyone has had a similar fault,or has any ideas,please speak up 'cos I'm chasing my tail on this one! Cheers Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Oct 23 04:28:25 1992 Return-Path: <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Live wires..... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:26:03 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Re: Mike Rooth's charging problem: I have an alternator system, which I much prefer for it's higher o/p, but I'm used to working on a VW Beetle with a dynamo. I presume you have a separate regulator for the dynamo o/p - does this work correctly? What voltage does the battery show when you rev the engine? > The switch is OK,but I *do* > get a circuit between the battery connection spade on the switch and any > wire on the switch WHEN THE WIRE IS DISCONNECTED! I may have misundersood you here, but this sounds normal. Surely the feed wire from the battery goes via a thick cable to the starter and then onwards via a thinner cable to the fusebox and ignition switch (?). The wire is always 'hot'. Quite why the other contacts show a connection is a mystery, but are you sure you are measuring what you think you are measuring?: If you are doing continuity checks with an ohmmeter on a live circuit, false readings can occur. The ohmmeter has an internal battery to drive the needle over when there is a connection, but an external battery could drive it over too. If you are using a voltmeter with one end to ground you will not get false readings. > It has an ammeter > fitted,incorrectly,but OK for giving the genny O/P when not using any > electrics. Ammeters are generally fitted to show what goes into the battery after the other components have taken their power, this is why ammeters show +ve and -ve current. If the ammeter reading goes negative then the battery is giving up its stored energy, otherwise you are charging. What does yours do? Well. there's my $0.02's worth as a first attempt. Maybe you can give a few more details. Hope I havn't got the wrong end of the stick: My advice is worth what you paid for it! Cheers, Steve. SIII Air Portable with V8. BTW, has anyone ever sheared off all the crownwheel bolts in the rear diff, I just did - looks for all the world like a broken half-shaft, but cheaper! It wasn't due to a heavy right foot on the V8, but rather due to the fact that Range Rover diffs had been fitted with the wrong locking washers.....
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Oct 23 09:39:13 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Live Wires.... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 15:10:24 BST Thanks Steve, No,you havent got the wrong end of the stick,I think I stated the problem badly. When I had the meter in use,the battery was disconnected.With the "starter"switch in the "run" position there *should* be no circuit between the supply on the switch and,for instance,the heater(glow)plug takeoff from the switch.The heater plugs are active only while the starter is engaged.Now,if I pull off the lucar form the heater plug supply and put the meter across the supply terminal and the now empty spade I get open circuit.If I then shove the probe up the end of the disconnected wire,leaving the other probe on the supply I get a full scale deflection reading. And so on..... Since the battery performance is now much improved following the fan belt adjustment,I am nearly certain that the fault is not a charging problem.As far as I can tell, the current voltage regulator is working OK.I am inclined to the view that the charge warning light *and* the indicator warning light are getting a feedback through an earth.In fact,that is the *only* way the indicator lamp could possibly get any power when in the non use position. The ammeter is a real hoot!Whoever put it in just broke into the wire between battery and the CVR (regulator box).Consequently it only registers the genny O/P.It *totally* bypasses the lighting load.Switch on the lights with the engine running and increased +ve current is shown,qiute rightly with this connection.What I have to do is to take the light connection from the starter switch and rewire it into the -ve side of the ammeter. Luckily,the lights on this model arent fused so it is a simple matter to do this. The overiding problem with all this is that although the wiring daigrams in the Rover manual are brilliant (transated as even I can understand them:-)) the reality of 22years of people fiddling about with the wiring,makes cable tracing a nightmare.And why the heater is run off the instrument voltage stabiliser is beyond me! Remember the heater is an optional extra and doesnt appear in the wiring diagram.Any idea where the wiring diagram for extras can be found? Thanks for your thoughts Steve. Regards Mike Rooth
From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Oct 23 10:38:00 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Dead Wires? To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 16:28:29 BST Steve, I keep getting returned mail user not known on this list,but you are obviously receiving it.I also get confirmation it has gone on the list.Are you in the UK? Are you getting a similar glitch? Alternatively is there anyone outside UK can confirm receipt of this? Puzzling, Mike Rooth
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