From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 00:06:15 1992
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To: lro@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: Half way there...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:18:43 -0400
Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec
Status: RO
<car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes:
> Dixon, you'vebeen reserecting that Land Rover for what a year now? I have
> enjoyed corresponding with you about it, but I would like to send a
> congrats for a working LR. Hope this engine works out for you!!!!!!
It was happily working when it was in the other LR. We did manage to
mangle to clutch cover in the process of removing the engine (it was a race
to get the engine up, before the engine crane sank any lower into the
ground...), so I now have to move the clutch bits from the currently dead
engine to the new one. Well, at least the clutch in the current engine was
replaced 100 miles before it came off the road...
Yes, it has been about a year now. Almost exactly I believe. It has been
one of those cases where you have this thing apart. Hmmm, this thing
behind it. What condition is *it* in? Well, let's take that apart next.
A simple example. I took the brake cylinders off to clean and rebuild.
Well, the drums were off, but I remembered quite a fight in -40f weather.
Didn't like that very much. So what else is back here? Hubs! Hmmm, they
have oil seals don't they. So off they came. Boy, these hubs were heavy,
and they didn't come very easily either. So lets take them apart and clean
and regrease them. You get the idea... :-)
Despite this tendency to overhaul more than I had expected, I am still left
with a feeling that I should be doing even more. The front swivel balls
for example... But I am now at a stage where I can put the hydraulics back
in, finish off the hubs, drop in a replacement engine and be off to the
swamps. I think a few things can wait until next year... :-)
The frame needs sandblasting and painting... Ouch... Next, next year...
Rgds,
Dixon
BTW, Once I have the cluch off, how difficult or advisable is it to change
the rear oil seal? :-)
I need this thing on the road. A friend called telling me about a second
88" sitting 250 miles east of here in a field... A vehicle to tow with
would be nice... :-)
--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 01:58:03 1992 Return-Path: <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Free Wheel Hubs... Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 07:55:11 BST From: Simon Lewis <scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Status: RO Dixon writes... >> Do all Land Rovers have lockable front hubs? I was under the impression >> that some were full time four wheel drive, no option about it. How >> does one distinguish? How do you lock the front wheels? What makes >> it wobble a bit on dry pavement? > >No. Rover does not believe that it is possible to have a reliable locking It's true that LRs never game from the factory with free wheeling front hubs, but the Fairy (sorry, that's not the right spelling, but I can't think what is!) hubs were factory approved accessories. You could even buy them with a Land Rover part number, at franchised dealers, and probably still can. >Thus all of the Series I - III were originally full-time four wheel drive. I know you don't mean that. The series I - III were of course PART TIME four wheel drive, but the front axle was connected through to the transfer box FULL TIME. Just proving your messages are read with care... :-) Simon.
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 11:27:09 1992
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:16:44 GMT
From: moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV)
To: lro@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: Familiar story
Status: RO
>> one of those cases where you have this thing apart. Hmmm, this thing
>> behind it. What condition is *it* in? Well, let's take that apart next.
>> A simple example. I took the brake cylinders off to clean and rebuild.
>> Well, the drums were off, but I remembered quite a fight in -40f weather.
>> Didn't like that very much. So what else is back here? Hubs! Hmmm, they
>> have oil seals don't they. So off they came. Boy, these hubs were heavy,
>> and they didn't come very easily either. So lets take them apart and clean
>> and regrease them. You get the idea... :-)
>>
What you are describing is commonly referred to in the psycology
journals as "6-more-bolt-syndorome." :-) Having contracted this
disease myself, I've found that it never quite goes away. The only way
to induce remission is by applying seriously cold showers, or mass
quantities of alcoholic libations.
>> Despite this tendency to overhaul more than I had expected, I am still left
>> with a feeling that I should be doing even more. The front swivel balls
>> for example... But I am now at a stage where I can put the hydraulics back
>> in, finish off the hubs, drop in a replacement engine and be off to the
>> swamps. I think a few things can wait until next year... :-)
>>
>> The frame needs sandblasting and painting... Ouch... Next, next year...
>>
Ditto me. I've owned mine for 2 years, never quite had a good garage
to work in, and the truck has never been on the street. But there's
this one trail that just has to have a Rover on it by the end of
month... We'll see.
Good luck.
Mark
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moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA - Boulder, CO USA
1961 109" Land Rover Pickup
PS. TeriAnn - 1961 was supposed to be the start of the IIA's, but this
truck has so many non-IIA pieces-parts, and more than a few that
look II-ish, I was wondering if this was a cross-over year?
Just curious.
MM
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From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 11:55:45 1992 Return-Path: <twakeman@apple.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:52:42 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Half way there... Status: RO Dixon, Sorry I have never done a rear engine seal. I thought about it once & got the idea that it might be a difficult job. I made the guess that my leak was the transmission & replaced the transmission front seal. Luckally the easy one to replace was the leaker. Compaired to my TR3 you land Rover is going at break neck speed :*( I have learned the feeling when you remove a part to find the one under that needs at least as much attention. Like layers of an onion, I removed layer upon layer of TR3 until I came to nothing. Now I have the fun of dealing with bare sheet steel and heavy drippy coast fogs. The fight to remove old rust & reseal the metal without new rust starting is a hard one along the coast. I'll be happy when I get the TR3 back to where I was going to take it appart to TeriAnn
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 12:56:04 1992
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:28:29 GMT
From: moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV)
To: lro@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: 109 Blues
Status: RO
>> So whats with your 109 that you have had it for 2 years and have not had it on
>> the road??
>>
>> TeriAnn
TeriAnn:
You may re-call some of my postings from earlier this year dealing
with the possibility of replacing the engine with a Chevy. (Don't
anyone flame, again, please. We've *all* been through it.)
As a brief re-cap...it was in some guys back yard for nigh on 13 year.
I bought complete with non-running engine and weeds in the tranny.
Every once in a while I still find some small bit of vegetation. The
coup d' grace, thought, was the mud-dobber nest in the instrument
cluster. I'm going to verithane it for posterity.
After getting into the engine I found a piston cracked at the oil ring.
What took so long? Loki taking an un-welcome interest in my personal
life. The tides of change swept through, but I managed to hold onto
the Rover. Last weekend was the first time I've been able to work on
it in 4 months.
All of the cylinders are out, ready for new rings. The bores are all in
good condtion (surprisingly enough), and I'm just going to hand-hone
them, rather than pulling the block and having it machined. The fire
wall is pretty much gone, so at the moment it gets aluminum cut-outs
fitted in, rather than the Rovers North replacements. (Where did I put
that catalogue?).
Anyway, the head should be back from the machine shop this week. And
with a 3-day weekend coming up, it just might run. (All fingers
crossed, appropriate offerings made, and a bow to Mecca). We'll see.
As with other things, I'm deeply interested in this list, and reading
the responses, especially yours, are always entertaining, if not
informative. Hopefully I can contribute more in the future.
Mark
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moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA - Boulder, CO USA
1961 109" Land Rover Pick-up.
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 13:15:07 1992 Return-Path: <caloccia@blublaze.sw.stratus.com> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, rally@transfer.stratus.com Subject: list administration stuff Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 14:12:00 -0400 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@blublaze.sw.stratus.com> Status: RO Hi Folks, I'm going on Vacation, so if the list breaks (like it did last time I went on vacation, just save the mail and we'll get it going when I return. Sorry for any delays in processing Add/Drop requests, mangling the list comes after work and all. If you know of any fun car things happening in San Francisco/North CA this weekend, drop me a line right away... Thanks, -Bill
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 14:07:29 1992 Return-Path: <u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:04:24 GMT From: u10122%y1.sdsc.edu@Sdsc.Edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: steering box Status: RO Mike and/or anyone else who's listening in.... You've reccomended using molybdenum disulfide as steering box lube (and I am unsure where to get some.. my local autoparts store, perhaps)....just what is the reccomended lube to use (by LR) in the steering box?? Will good ol' 80wt gear oil do?? Also, I am hesitant to drain the steering box via the adjuster screw that is located on the outside (of my US rig) near the bottom of the unit. I should probably drain (and then flush) via the plate that bolts on to the lower front end of the box, no?? I may also be able to inspect it from there if I remove the roadwheel and poke my head inside..... thanks, rdushin ps as a former equestrian myself I can fully appreciate the safety with which you are able to mount your horse (from the left side, as ALWAYS).......without having to worry about being taken out by some hotshot from behind.
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 1 16:13:13 1992
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:55:50 -0700
From: Teriann J. Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>
To: caloccia@blublaze.sw.stratus.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com,
rally@transfer.stratus.com
Subject: Re: list administration stuff
Status: RO
Your timing is terrible!!!!!!!!!!!
This 3 day weekend the portland All British meet is happening with lots of
Land Rovers. The following weekend (the one after you asked about) is the
Palo Alto all British car meet that often brings 30+ Land Rovers out of the
woods.
Oh well,
TeriAnn
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 2 11:43:17 1992 Return-Path: <mvgrie@mtcamm.monsanto.com> From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@mtcamm.monsanto.com> Subject: 1993 Land Rover Defender 110 specifications To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:40:00 CDT Status: RO In case there are others out there who have not yet seen the specifications of the new 1993 Land Rover Defender 110, I repeat the full details of a small summary given in todays St. Louis Post-Dispatch: 1993 Land Rover Defender 110 Wheelbase 110.0 inches Overall length 181.1 inches Curb weight 4840 pounds Antilock brakes not available Air bag not available Engine size 3.9 liter V8 Horsepower 180 at 4750 rpm Transmission manual 5 speed Drive four-wheel drive EPA est City/Hwy 10/12 miles/gallon Built at Solihull, England Base price $39900.00 (USD) The accompanying photo shows a rather nice looking 109ish station wagon sort of vehicle with safari roof, roof rack, and front end grill guard. This was the first time I had seen any published info on the Defender. At such a bargain price, I might just buy two so as to have a spare. ;) Mark mvgrie@mtcamm.monsanto.com
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 3 06:20:12 1992 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Half way there... From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:05:49 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Status: RO <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > Sorry I have never done a rear engine seal. I thought about it once & got th > idea that it might be a difficult job. I made the guess that my leak was the > transmission & replaced the transmission front seal. Luckally the easy one > to replace was the leaker. I am still undecided on this one. The gearbox of the donor vehicle was not coated in oil, so the rear seal may be fine. My fear is that if I begin to tinker with the new engine, it will be another year before it is back together. Maybe I'll just leave it and concentrate on rebuilding the original engine. That sounds like a much wiser course of action... > Compaired to my TR3 you land Rover is going at break neck speed :*( > I have learned the feeling when you remove a part to find the one under that > needs at least as much attention. Like layers of an onion, > I removed layer upon layer of TR3 until I came to nothing. At least a TR-3 is not the massive chunk of aluminium and iron that a Land Rover is. At least both are nice and simple. Not to worry, a friend had had a TR-3 up on axle stands for the past 15 years. Granted just about every room in his house is filled with British motorcycle parts. He started on his TR-3 by simply going to change the head gasket. One thing lead to another... > I'll be happy when I get the TR3 back to where I was going to take it appart > to My adventure started when I asked a simple question here on what I should change before I fired it up. I should have checked if it would even fire before embarking on this adventure. Oh well, when the first big blizzard arrives here, I will be in heaven, assuming it is ready... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 3 06:23:16 1992 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: list administration stuff From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:10:00 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Status: RO <car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > Your timing is terrible!!!!!!!!!!! > This 3 day weekend the portland All British meet is happening with lots of > Land Rovers. The following weekend (the one after you asked about) is the > Palo Alto all British car meet that often brings 30+ Land Rovers out of the > woods. For those in the northeast, the weekend of September 19-20 is the British car show in Stowe Vermont. There are usually quite a few Land Rovers to be found there. Now will I be there in a Mini or the Land Rover? Hmmm, probably the Mini... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 3 06:23:17 1992 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Familiar story From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:57:57 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec Status: RO moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV) writes: > What you are describing is commonly referred to in the psycology > journals as "6-more-bolt-syndorome." :-) Having contracted this > disease myself, I've found that it never quite goes away. The only way > to induce remission is by applying seriously cold showers, or mass > quantities of alcoholic libations. In the -30f weather I must admit that significant quantities of the libations were consumed in front of a roaring fire after a "session" coaxing the beast. When one was suitably warmed up, one goes for another machocistic session until the one part you are trying to liberate decides to co-operate. As for the cold showers, I found that they really didn't remove the gallons of Britain's finest quality oil and grease as well as a nice hot shower... :-) > Ditto me. I've owned mine for 2 years, never quite had a good garage > to work in, and the truck has never been on the street. But there's > this one trail that just has to have a Rover on it by the end of > month... We'll see. Best of luck. I am now awaiting the pedal boxes to return from a trip to Mr. Sandblaster. A little paint and the hydraulics go back in. Then it is just the engine... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Breckenridge, Quebec, Canada
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 3 09:38:14 1992
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:33:01 GMT
From: moore@profsc.fsl.noaa.gov (Mark Moore MOORE@FSL.NOAA.GOV)
To: lro@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: More Brit events
Status: RO
>> For those in the northeast, the weekend of September 19-20 is the British
>> car show in Stowe Vermont. There are usually quite a few Land Rovers to be
>> found there. Now will I be there in a Mini or the Land Rover? Hmmm,
>> probably the Mini...
>>
The same weekend finds the British Motoring Conclave in Denver, CO.
My goal is to have the Rover there. If not then it will be the Triumph
2-wheeler.
And if I'm really lucky, the Triumph *in* the Rover.
Come along Todo, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.
Mark
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moore@fsl.noaa.gov
NOAA - Boulder, CO USA
1967 TR6C: 'Intrepid' Safe Ride Home! :-)
1961 109" Land Rover pickup
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 11 16:56:55 1992 Return-Path: <caloccia@zen.cac.stratus.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:52:15 EDT From: caloccia@zen.cac.stratus.com (Bill Caloccia) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: test message - checking for bad addresses (no need to reply) - Bill
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 14 12:24:19 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Neophyte... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:00:45 BST TeriAnn, Bit late to "chip in",I have just got back off holiday,but I noticed a couple of things in yours of 28Aug. The steering kick you mention in 4WD,is more than likely caused by the use of "universal"joints in the front axle.These joints (proper name Hooke Joints) should *really* only be used in pairs as in the prop shafts.They are not constant velocity joints,but when used in pairs one cancels the other out.When going straight ahhead they are OK,but when you introduce angularity the output side varies speed. Bet you *really*wanted to know that:-) The other thing is the 11A gearbox.You can do anything with the "crash" (11A) box that you can do with the S111 synchro box. The difference is that you have to double de-clutch to do it. I regularly change down into first while on the move,and achieve a nice quiet change.Ditto third to second,and bottom to second. Cant honestly claim 100percent success,it needs *some* concentration but with a little practice it becomes second nature,almost. Trouble is,there arent many people who remember how to do this,which makes me feel my age (50).My father insisted I learned to drive this way.:-) Regards Mike
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 29 03:49:11 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: New Range Rover To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 9:48:27 BST Announced in the Daily Telegraph,todays date,a new Range Rover. Before you all rush out and place an order for two or three,the price is 40,000 pounds.With the dollar at about $1.75 to the pound, that works out at $70,000. It looks pretty much the same,but has air suspension,electronically controlled for height.The suspension can be lowered by push button so that loading is easier,and raised for off road work.The chassis is eight inches longer (108"),pretty close to a familiar number,that, and the vehicle also has electronic traction control.It is called the Vogue LSE (presumably Long,Special Equipment).Standard 100"models are continued,with the traction control available on the Vogue SE,but not the air suspension.Pwer unit is the 4.2litre V8,rated at 200bhp,max speed 112mph. Bet you all *really* wanted to know that:-) Mike Rooth
From mtcamm!car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 30 08:48:34 1992 Return-Path: <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Work Horses (New Range Rover) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:29:57 BST Teriann, I agree.However,the new RR and the Defender 110 you saw,(presumably one of the five hundred due to be exported abuout now,with external roll cages etc)are really aimed at the leisure market. The Defender 90 and 110 are available in workhorse form as you describe,there are a good many knocking about around here.Not that that is much consolation to you!:-)The only non-hoseable bits as far as I can make out are in the cab,where the old three vinyl seats have been replaced by two cloth ones and a "cubby box"in the middle.Must admit I'm not keen on that,like you've got a horse trailer on the back,tack etc *in* the back,and three people...... I still think Land Rover should have an optional three vinyl front seats option.Engines are either V8 petrol or the new Tdi diesel,the latter being by far the most popular over here. As far as I know there are no plans to export these versions to the US,probably (this is guesswork)because a)they couldnt compete pricewise with your trucks, and b)because of tighter US legislation.The Defenders currently over there will be the only ones because it is currently considered too difficult to fit them with air bags. Having said all this it occurs to me that you might know this anyway.If so my apologies for "trying to teachgranny to suck eggs".(English saying,no comment on age or sex) Cheers Mike
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