From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Jun 7 12:08:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f57G86N24269 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:08:07 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f57F64o12882 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f57F63W12879 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25196 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f57E2c930026 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:02:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:02:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200106071402.f57E2c930026@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #399 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 399 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:35:39 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Rain-X > Agreed. I just came home from the marina as it started to pour. Rain-X was > > reapplied to the Zit yesterday and it worked perfectly on the way home. I > always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system > like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and > moves > side to side with only a slight arc. > > Niall Forbes > Now your thinking. With the Rover's flat screens you could fit a linear track across the top of the frame attach both wipers to this track and use either an electric motor, vacuum or air to traverse the wipers side to side. This would effectively clear the entire area of each pane. The screen wash nozzle could be attached to the wiper arm and direct its blast straight onto the window next to the top of the blade where it could do most good. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jun 2001 11:52:23 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion Thanks to the efforts of one or two infamous innovators out here in the west, you more or less can't swing a dead cat without hitting a hybrid. It's getting worse, as they are becoming more and more common. I feel somewhat unique in trifling over a frame over on the 109 and not opting to go coily. I have instead opted to go parabolic, and spend disproportionately on the engine, trans and axles. I do not weld well enough to pull off the frame mods for coils, and therefor would have to spend hugely to do the conversion. But for those with the money and or the skills, it has become de rigor. Bryan 62 88 70 109 On Wed, 06 June 2001, "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > > How do you fit RR axles to a Series? > I have heard it is almost impossible due to suspension. > > Weld spring perches to the axle casings maybe? Might have to swap around > some bits on the front axle to move the armsaway from the springs...but I > believe this is a not-uncommon conversion in the UK. > > ajr ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:03:40 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Rain-X Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:14:05 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X >I always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and moves side to side with only a slight arc. If you actually want to investigate this idea, you might try some of the marine suppliers in your area if there are any. Wiper arms as you describe are very common on boats of all sizes these days, and there may be a set small enough for a Series Land Rover's windscreen. An even better setup, though, would be the high-speed centrifugal "wipers" used on ships and high-speed boats. This consists of a circular section of glass fitted into the center of a window. The mount is such that the glass disk can rotate, and it's driven by a belt from an electric motor mounted below or above the window. When you turn this thing on, the glass disk spins at a very high rate of speed, several thousand rpm I would imagine. Any rain, snow, sleet, spray, etc. that hits the spinning disk is thrown off instantly. The advantage is that there is no wiper blade to leave streaks or clog up with snow or salt. The glass disk remains clear no matter what's hitting it. In addition to marine use, some of the larger airport fire trucks and snow plows also have been fitted with this sort of "wiper," particularly at airports where heavy winter snowfall is the norm. These centrifugal wipers are usually a couple of feet in diameter, but I have seen a very small one, about eight or nine inches, fitted to the forward cockpit window of a sailboat. The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield that, while transparent and not a problem during the day, can cause a very annoying glare at night when hit by oncoming lights. I used to use Rain-X on all our vehicles, but have stopped because I do a lot of night driving, and the blurry glare from the haze or film on the windscreen is just too annoying and masking. We do use Rain-X on the windscreens of our two boats, however, and it's very effective, particularly in salt water where the use of a wiper tends to build up streaks pretty quickly. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:43:33 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion > How do you fit RR axles to a Series? > I have heard it is almost impossible due to suspension. > Scott Just > Rochester Hills, MI > '68 109 reg. > Aloha. It is actually a pretty straight forward do, just need to get spring perches welded on and cut off all the other stuff. Now converting a leaf axle to a coil axle can be ... well difficult. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:51:50 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion That's exactly it... I am fitting suspension and axles at the same time. Suspension, AND sway bars... ;-) Aloha Jean-Leon. where are you sourcing the sway bars? My suspension flex is great on the trails, but I really should have some anti-sways with quick disconnects for road use Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:56:53 -0500 From: "Carl Kinkade" Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime Hey Group, My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise. Normally when you start the vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just disconnecting it, but I can't find it. I did figure out that the fuse for it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things. Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy. Thanks, Carl '95 RR LWB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveB Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X - --- "Faure, Marin" wrote: > The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield > that, while transparent > and not a problem during the day, can cause a very annoying glare at > night when hit > by oncoming lights. well, I only had a glare problem with rain-x at night when trying to rely on the rain x alone (dead SIII wiper motor). this was from other vehicles' lights' glare hitting the droplets on the windshield, and not from the rain-x's haze. If you can still see the haze I suggest you use a little more elbo-grease in your rain-x application formula. I have noticed residual haze sometimes from rain-x, but I can usually buff it out. I also noticed that rain-x is good for dissolving the excess silicone from my atttempts to seal the windshield area. I was amazed at how much water came in through the windshield last downpour. It's a little disconcerting to see a steady stream of water running out from behind the guage panel. You know, the one that holds all those wires in... later __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:33:49 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Faure, Marin wrote: :The problem with Rain-X is that it puts a haze on the windshield :that, while transparent and not a problem during the day, can cause :a very annoying glare at night when hit by oncoming lights. I used :to use Rain-X on all our vehicles, but have stopped because I do a :lot of night driving, and the blurry glare from the haze or film on :the windscreen is just too annoying and masking. We do use Rain-X on I've found that if the glass is clean when you put the rainx on, the haze is much less. I do mean *clean*, too. Windex isn't enough, windex followed by some solvent (I've used MEK and acetone with good effect), followed by rubbing with a clean, dry, soft cotton rag. Scratches and such on the glass will also increase glare from Rainx. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:06:52 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X but this wouldn't give you a dirty smeared bit to pear 'round. What do you want to lose that bit of "character" for?? PhilN - -----Original Message----- From: Easton Trevor A To: 'lro@works.team.net' Date: 06 June 2001 19:43 Subject: RE: LRO: Rain-X > > >> Agreed. I just came home from the marina as it started to pour. Rain-X was >> >> reapplied to the Zit yesterday and it worked perfectly on the way home. I >> always wanted to rig up a sort of parallelogram-linkage type wiper system >> like they use on buses. The wiper remains in the vertical position and >> moves >> side to side with only a slight arc. >> >> Niall Forbes >> > Now your thinking. With the Rover's flat screens you could fit a >linear track across the top of the frame attach both wipers to this track >and use either an electric motor, vacuum or air to traverse the wipers side >to side. This would effectively clear the entire area of each pane. The >screen wash nozzle could be attached to the wiper arm and direct its blast >straight onto the window next to the top of the blade where it could do most >good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:49:48 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: LRO: Re: Annoying Door Chime My '85 110 has some annoying noises on starting too, I gather it's called "character"!! Windows rattle, exhaust taps, thrust bearing grind/squeeks... Sorry Carl, couldn't resist....!! PhilN - -----Original Message----- From: Carl Kinkade To: lro@Works.Team.Net ; rro@Works.Team.Net Date: 06 June 2001 21:09 Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime >Hey Group, > >My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise. Normally when you start the >vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go >off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just >disconnecting it, but I can't find it. I did figure out that the fuse for >it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things. > >Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy. > >Thanks, > >Carl >'95 RR LWB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:48:24 -0400 From: Jeff Berg Subject: RE: LRO: Slowing down windscreen wipers >Actually, adding the variable delay to that one would likely have been a >matter of swapping a fixed resistor for a potentiometer...how much did you >pay for the black box again? 8*) Maybe a little more complicated then you think. The interval is controlled as follows: Flick the wiper stalk to the first position--"Interval" After the wipers have completed their cycle flick the stalk to off. Allow the windshield to mist up, then set the wipers to interval again... You've now set the interval time. Sounds complex but actually works quite nicely and is a very organic method of setting the ideal interval when you think about it. I paid $45 (I think) for the black box as part of a group buy. About a five minute job to swap the boxes--mostly because you have to remove the glove box to get at the "panel-o-black boxes." I have the single wiper motor. jeff - -- == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:49:45 -0400 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: Rain-X >I've found that if the glass is clean when you put the rainx on, the haze is >much less. Agree totally--and this same discussion came up recently on one of the BMW lists with the same answers coming forth. My system is to use either Simple Green or "Orange Citrus" spray to degrease and remove the heavy soil from the glass, followed by two applications of a good, commercial glass cleaner (Not partial to Windex myself, but not trying to make a religion out of cleaning windows either.), which at this point is removing mostly degreaser and de-streaking. I use blue shop towels, not paper towels as they do a better job of removing dirt and grease without leaving lint all over the glass. The apply the Rain-X and buff the hell out of it... Never had the glare problem Marin refers too--or at least have never been bothered by it. An other advantage of Rain-X is that the wipers work better when used--they hardly ever get stuck midway through their wipe pattern or move on their drive spindle when the glass is slickery with R-X. I do like the acetone idea though, maybe I'll give it a try tomorrow--this project has been on the agenda for a week or so. jeff - -- == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:58:49 -0500 From: "Carl Kinkade" Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Annoying Door Chime I don't mind character, but man the radio barely drowns out this noise and only if I have it turned up loud. It is one of those noises that goes right through your head. Carl - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On Behalf Of Phil Norris Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:50 PM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: LRO: Re: Annoying Door Chime My '85 110 has some annoying noises on starting too, I gather it's called "character"!! Windows rattle, exhaust taps, thrust bearing grind/squeeks... Sorry Carl, couldn't resist....!! PhilN - -----Original Message----- From: Carl Kinkade To: lro@Works.Team.Net ; rro@Works.Team.Net Date: 06 June 2001 21:09 Subject: LRO: Annoying Door Chime >Hey Group, > >My 1995 RR just started an annoying noise. Normally when you start the >vehicle, there is 3 chimes, but now on the third chime it doesn't go >off.....talking about driving you crazy!!! I wouldn't mind just >disconnecting it, but I can't find it. I did figure out that the fuse for >it is number 12, but number 12 is also for a lot of other things. > >Any help would be very appreciated, this noise is driving me crazy. > >Thanks, > >Carl >'95 RR LWB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:39:14 -0500 From: "CW - Carey Woodings" Subject: Re: LRO: Hilton Head Island [ DaveB [ I'll be in Hilton head, SC for a week...I'm trying to [ figure out if there's likely to be any need for it(109). I was there a year and a half ago and wished I had my 88. Not because there was anywhere to drive it offroad (there may be but I didn't go looking, maybe off the island), but just to show it off to all the other rover owners I saw on the island. I got the impression that they wouldn't be impressed however, as they didn't look like the offroad type. I saw three different Range rovers and several Discoveries. They probably would have looked at me and thought I was one of the many people who commute in and out each day to work in the service industry. On second thought, maybe I wouldn't want to take my truck there. It would be a shame to polute the island with 90 weight. And anyone following me in their BMW, Mercedes, or Cadillac would curse me for misting them liberally with oil. Planning to go back later this year. Now what should I drive? Hmmmm ____________ /____________\ Cheers, CW ! !! ! !_____!!_____! O !===[[[]]]===! O \__ -------- __/ !..!( )##( )!..! Carey Woodings ! !########! ! "Nessie the Antique ! !#O####O#! ! Monster" Bronze Green ================ 1962 SIIA SWB SW !! ~ !! !! ~~ ~ ~~ !! 1968 SIIA LWB Marshall Bodied ~~ Ambulance awaiting restoration _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:19:29 -0400 From: "Hank Rutherford" Subject: LRO: Rovers for sale Two Land-Rovers for sale in Central NY. A recent ad in the Utica paper ( and a follow up phone call) lists two 88" Rovers, one a Station Wagon, for sale, $3000 the set. Station wagon has deluxe bonnet, winch, safari top, etc. Both vehicles are in serious need of restoration. Tom Coker is the seller, his phone # is 315-861-7636. His e-mail is TCoker2552@aol.com. I have no interest in the sale, just passing this along to the community. Hank Rutherford Ruthrfrd@borg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:38:25 -0400 From: "Neal P. Dion" Subject: LRO: Half Shafts Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of? Are they forged or turned from bar? Anyone make a higher tensile strength version? Thanks......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:38:16 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: Rangie Fuel Pump Rangie is cured. Cause of problem was failed wiring at connector. Thin wire going into heavy connector with moisture trap results in corrosion of wire. Gradual loss of conductors results in heating of wire as resistance increases,heating of wire hardens plastic cover, cover cracks allows more moisture etc etc. Replaced connectors with bullets and sleeves. Suffered mild attack of shipfitters resulting in removal of tank and skid plate, cleaning and painting of both with Por 15. I also found a soft spot in the bottom of the tank that was a leak waiting to happen so was able to put off the impending failure with a coating of epoxy and fine mat. Thanks for the information and advice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion J-L, Would you share your knowledge so that others don't have to "reinvent the wheel" to get to the point where you stopped? As I recall price and availability were high on the list of criteria, and last I heard all you needed was a caliper mount fabricated, if I remember correctly. So you have wowed us all with your thinking before how about sharing your thoughts on a disk brake conversion. It would be much appreciated. thanks Chris hall > > > On Tue, 05 June 2001, "Jean-Leon Morin" wrote: > > > > > Uhh. Sorry, all you folks hoping out there. Disc brake kit has > been on the > > back burner for quite some time. I'm going range rover axles, > baby! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:26:09 -0500 From: "Andrew H. Litkowiak" Subject: LRO: 3 point hitch Hello the list, A spiffy little item came with the IIa 109 Pickup I just purchased. It's a Stratton Model 56 Hydro Implement Lift 3 point hitch. Apparently it bolts right up. Does anyone have literature or info on this beast? Andy Litkowiak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:33:58 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion - -----Original Message----- From: N Forbes :Well shit. Talk about a bad typo. I think Al deserves some credit though as :he spotted this first. He said: : :>Now there is a Freudian slip if ever I heard one....... :> :> aj"Are you commenting on the design or the typical RR owner?8*)"r : :As I told him, the design of the brakes seems sound, so.....;-) : :Anyway JL and Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying this. You know what they say :"small things amuse small minds". Get it? Hehehehe....sorry JL ;-) Hehehehe........ Niall, Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award" :-) Bruce F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:36:38 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: Re: LRO: Slowing down windscreen wipers - -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Leon Morin :I find application of -20C weather seesm to slow them down very nicely... Not if you put your door tops on :-) Bruce F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:59:20 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion Hmm. It takes a inline six to turn my crank, as well as a Long Wheel Base landie. You have youy fun with your 4 banger and 88"... Hihihihi. J-L - ----- Original Message ----- From: N Forbes To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion > Well shit. Talk about a bad typo. I think Al deserves some credit though as > he spotted this first. He said: > > >Now there is a Freudian slip if ever I heard one....... > > > > aj"Are you commenting on the design or the typical RR owner?8*)"r > > As I told him, the design of the brakes seems sound, so.....;-) > > Anyway JL and Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying this. You know what they say > "small things amuse small minds". Get it? Hehehehe....sorry JL ;-) > > Niall Forbes > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm > > "See the happy moron, > He doesn't give a damn. > I wish I were a moron. > My God! Perhaps I am!" > --author unknown > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:57:37 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: LRO: IIa for sale Brethren, This is the toughest thing I have ever had to do and I know one person who is surely going to question my sanity, but here goes. I'm looking for offers on my 1965 Series IIa soft top (with regular hard top also). She's mostly stock and in very nice shape. Some tweaking on the carburetor is all I have done lately and she's run very nicely around town. Here's the deal. SWMBO wants us to get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the trail and long distance drives. I live about 100 miles south of Atlanta and there is no off-roading around here to speak of. Nearest fun trails are in the northern part of the state and that's some 3 hours away, at highway speeds. So, the point is, I just don't get to use the truck for more than around town driving and that can get tough in the summer in a soft top. I have a 1995 RR Classic also and use it now for almost all trail riding simply because I can take it up the highway and back in a day. The 88 is pastel green. I've got tons of parts, all new hoop set and tan canvas top, and low miles on a strong engine and tranny. Regular hard top included (Bill Rice has the door that goes with it so you can't have that). New tires (5). Only three problems I have ever had were the points burnt out on me once, a rear brake cylender crapped the day of the SOLAROS rally in north Georgia and most recently the Solex blew an artery the day before the British Motor Car show in Atlanta. No clutch, brake (new brakes by the way) or engine trouble at all. Interior is very good and heat / sound proof (well, damn good for a IIa soft top). I'm looking for $9500 - or more ;> I have an ad on the LRX also (search on "IIa" and you can see a good photo) and I can email pictures to anyone interested. Thanks, Ron Ward 1995 RR Classic SWB (ex-EAS) 1965 IIa 88" that I bet won't start in the morning jst because I sent this post and she's pissed at me now for trying to replace her with a disco. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:59:48 -0400 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion >Hmm. It takes a inline six to turn my crank, as well as a Long Wheel Base >landie. You have youy fun with your 4 banger and 88"... Careful their J-L, you're also picking on your allies... jab ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:38 -0400 From: Jeff Berg Subject: LRO: Megatester Thought this might be of interest to some. I was flipping through this month's issue of Water Flying and found an ad for this device that converts a Mini Maglite into a continuity checker for unenergized circuits and devices while maintaining it's functionality as a flashlight. Personally, I think it should be called the Minitester as it really performs only one function--but I'm not saying that's a bad thing. The MegatesterdDoesn't replace a multi-meter...but might make a nice addition to one's emergency kit--just add a 12-volt test lamp. (Go ahead, treat yourself to a viewing of the hoaky "boat show demo" video and check out the product at .) I confess. I'll probably order four of them and add it to all of the mini-mags that are sitting around. Just when I was switching over to plasic bodied "penlights" too... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:36:45 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion Folks, don't worry. I'm still working on it, sort of. Dr. Detroit is still very much locked in his underground lab. As you may remember, I wanted an overbuilt brake system for series axles that would use easily sourced parts. Where I ended up is kinda weird. Well, I still have a very much working proto, using a 77 chevrolet caliper, Ford F 350 rotors, and a master from an LTD with four wheel diskies. This is a braking system fit for a vehicle with a GVWR of about 6500 lbs, and a 1 ton capacity. 8500lbs. That's a lot of 88" rovers. It might be overkill for anything other than Valdez. The only problem is that the massive assembly does not fit behind the stock wheel. I have two routes I can follow - change the wheel design, which is costly, or simply go for a smaller rotor and caliper, which is definitely not a big deal, except the Land-Rover wheel hub is fiendishly huge, and I haven't found a suitable part. Of course, I could spin up some custom alloy steel wheel hubs, and use Toyota 4x4 rotors, but that would cost oodles in machining costs, which is free for me, but damn expensive to mass produce (read expensive for YOU). I have thought about reworking the L-R hubs to include a rotor mount, but they are soft cast iron, and I can't work them at all. I had a really good design using a mix of all kinds of parts, which are still held secret, but it needed a custom hub. The material costs were astronomical for my very tight budget at the time, and it stopped me dead. Hubs are relatively easy to spin up, all flat surfaces, can be out of mild steel, relatively few close tolerances. The crushing truth is that 720$ canadian is damn good for a complete kit. The last prices I had were about 300$ of parts, calipers, rotors, bolts, studs, etc. That's not including raw materials, and machining. of course, I could build one for about 400$, but where's the profit margin in that case? I'd have to make at least 150$ a kit to break even. _____________________ The range rover axle thing looked like a done deal, but all kinds of little things are going wrong in the sale of the parts, and I might simply get the heck out of that situation, and try and improve the stocker L-R axles. I'll know in the next month or so. J-L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:41:31 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion Yes, I did think about that for a moment... I apologise Jeff. Definitely do NOT want to get the master of treachery to turn on me... Finsup may be a shorty, but it sure gets around. Shod with questionable aquatreds, it runs circles around Valdez, which goes to prove, It's not what you got, it's what you do with it... J-L P.S - what's a youy anyways? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:24:23 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and it is quite solid. He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro (well, OK, me) put on new brake lines. It's a really nice 88, tho. bill, who lives nowhere near ron now nor will receive any kickbacks from the sale of ron's truck. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:24:56 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale Bill, by the way, I'll need some time to come up with the cash for your ancient Benz.... ;) >>> jarvis64@juno.com 06/06/01 22:43 PM >>> A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and it is quite solid. He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro (well, OK, me) put on new brake lines. It's a really nice 88, tho. bill, who lives nowhere near ron now nor will receive any kickbacks from the sale of ron's truck. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:32:06 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Megatester On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote: : :I confess. I'll probably order four of them and add it to all of the :mini-mags that are sitting around. Just when I was switching over to :plasic bodied "penlights" too... : I'd start with one. It looks very much like one of those "That's neat, but..." things. And, of course, it interferes iwth my favorite mini-maglite accessory, the lite bite (as seen at http://www.stagehandtools.com/main/flashlight_accessories.htm ). Admit it. It's how you hold the thing. Let us know, though. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:35:55 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts Not sure what the stock ones are, but Bill at Great Basin has some that I personally guaranty are much stronger than the stock half shafts. greatbasinrovers.com I am not getting anything for promoting these by the way, just talking from my experience with them. Neal P. Dion wrote: > > Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of? Are they > forged or turned from bar? Anyone make a higher tensile strength version? > Thanks......... - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:41:06 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Megatester On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Jeff Berg wrote: : :The MegatesterdDoesn't replace a multi-meter...but might make a nice :addition to one's emergency kit--just add a 12-volt test lamp. : Oh, if you're going to carry a test lamp, it's absolutely trivial to make one will work as a powered continuity tester using a 9V battery and an extra piece of wire and a couple gator clips. Of course, if you've planned ahead to actually *carry* these things, (instead of making one out of bits at the sidwe of the road. Not that *I* have ever done that. Oh, no. Not me!) why not spend a few more dollars and get a multimeter? I paid all of $10 for the one I carry around in the rover. It's good enough for the electrics in a series, and even has some things that are perfectly useless in a series, like a diode tester... - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:42:42 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, William J. Rice wrote: :A little unsolicited praise for Ron's truck--it is pretty darn nice and :it is quite solid. He's put lots of $$ into it and he had a real pro :(well, OK, me) put on new brake lines. It's a really nice 88, tho. Er, doesn't that reduce the value of the truck? David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jun 2001 20:49:13 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale On Wed, 06 June 2001, "RON WARD" wrote: > > Brethren, > >Here's the deal. SWMBO wants us to >get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the >trail and long distance drives. Ron, Disco's are soul-less beasts. Outfit SWMBO for a long trip (very long), send her on her way, and keep the series :-). I did see the 88 on LRX, very nice. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:52:29 -0700 From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" Subject: LRO: San Diego Rover fans I'm heading to SD in the am and would like to hoist a Harp or Bass w/a Rover enthusiast. I'm leaving before checking e-mail so drop a line and phone number to this address and I'll give you a call. I'll probably be at the North Island NAS BOQ but that is not certain as yet. Steve Rochna - Fallon, NV 1972 88" 'MR. Leaky 1968 110" FC 'Beast Rover' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:11:52 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts "Neal P. Dion" wrote: > Anyone out there know what alloy the stock shafts are made of? EN9 is about the closest. > Are they forged or turned from bar? Both. > Anyone make a higher tensile strength version? You then end up trashing your drive flanges which have no elastic limits at all. The side/half shafts can at least twist a little to absorb torque. In fact the ideal would be to have them be able to twist even more (without testing their elastic limits). Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:39:46 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Re: so I pull in the parking lot here at work.... >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:00:21 -0400 >From: Matt Peckham >Subject: LRO: So I pull in the parking lot here at work.... >and park right next to another 88". Fred Dushin decided to >park >outside >with the peions and now it's the beginnings of a Rover meet! >Definitely a good start to the day... >Matt Peckham >74 Lightweight. So, which one broke? ;>)) ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 05:37:37 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion >Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award" >:-) > >Bruce F. Niall "Romero" Forbes......got a ring to it, it does. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:00:37 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts The Great Basin shafts have the drive flange as part of the shaft, so that isn't an issue. The next weak link is the spider gears. Paul Oxley wrote: > You then end up trashing your drive flanges which have no elastic limits > at all. The side/half shafts can at least twist a little to absorb > torque. In fact the ideal would be to have them be able to twist even > more (without testing their elastic limits). - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:15:20 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: Re: LRO: Half Shafts Jim Hall wrote: > The Great Basin shafts have the drive flange as part of the shaft, so > that isn't an issue. Ah! Asked and answered then. > The next weak link is the spider gears. Or any of the retaining pins andshafts, or the crown wheel, or the pinion gear.... all the way up to the back of the crankshaft :-{)} Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:06:08 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: IIa for sale Thought about that, but... I'd like to haul the kids from time to time and they just can't bounce around in that rear tub for long... Somebody buy this truck. >>> bhoult@peoplepc.com 06/06/01 11:49PM >>> On Wed, 06 June 2001, "RON WARD" wrote: > > Brethren, > >Here's the deal. SWMBO wants us to >get a Disco 1 and outfit it for the >trail and long distance drives. Ron, Disco's are soul-less beasts. Outfit SWMBO for a long trip (very long), send her on her way, and keep the series :-). I did see the 88 on LRX, very nice. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:59:38 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: disk brakes conversion >Hehehehe........ >Niall, >Think that Freudian slip puts you in the running for a "Peppermill award" >:-) > >Bruce F. > Whoa there. Now Bruce, some things are funny, but that's taking it too far. I want nothing to do with the Peppermill. ;-) Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:59:58 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: LRO: RE: Re: so I pull in the parking lot here at work.... I gues Fred's, because on day 3, I am the only one left in the lot... and it's not because I couldn't start it when I went to go home. See you Boston area Roverites at the Museum of Transportation in Brookline on Sunday, 10am- 2:30pm for British car day. www.mot.org Matt Peckham 74 Lightweight. _____ ||===||| | \ _||___|||__|__\_{EE}_ | ____ ____ \ | / \ / \|) [||( () )\_____|( () )[ ] ~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~\~~/~~~~~~~~~ www.crossmember.com - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Ries [mailto:robert_ries09459@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:40 AM To: lro@Works.Team.Net; uk-lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: LRO: Re: so I pull in the parking lot here at work.... >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:00:21 -0400 >From: Matt Peckham >Subject: LRO: So I pull in the parking lot here at work.... >and park right next to another 88". Fred Dushin decided to >park >outside >with the peions and now it's the beginnings of a Rover meet! >Definitely a good start to the day... >Matt Peckham >74 Lightweight. So, which one broke? ;>)) ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #399 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Jun 7 23:55:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f583tHN25707 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:55:17 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f582rGF29979 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f582rFW29976 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14483 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f582VtT06367 for lro-gone; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f146.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.146]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f582Vr606363 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:31:53 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:31:44 -0700 Received: from 200.24.66.105 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:31:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.24.66.105] From: "Camilo Osejo" To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO: gear and transfer teach please Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:31:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2001 02:31:44.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[28ADBDB0:01C0EFC3] Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Gentleman,\ Could please anyone explain how do the gear and transfer box levers work in a series vehicle (to be used in a sIII santana)? A friend of mine just bought one and asked me to teach him how does it work, but I am not shure. Another friend said when one engage the low gears (red lever), the double traction lever (yellow one) pops up, leaving you 4x2 in low gear. I find that kinda hard to believe...help please. Thanks a lot. Cam. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.