From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri Jun 1 05:12:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f519C6N01372 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:12:06 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f5189oR14347 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 04:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f5189oW14344 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 04:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04878 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 04:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f517rUk22783 for lro-gone; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:53:30 -0400 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f517rO622777 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:53:24 -0400 Received: from SFmms@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 3.14.1507ea1e (4250) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:53:15 EDT Subject: LRO: Re: Graphite lube and asbestos To: lro-digest@works.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi --part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David writes: > One of the worst offenders is WD-40. > That's because it leaves a light but oily residue which captures dust as you pointed out. The graphite lube I use is a spray in a hydrocarbon carrier that evaporates leaving only fine relatively dry graphite particles. I used it on the advice of a locksmith who was an off road enthusiast. As far as asbestos, the current approach is more to encapsulate rather than just remove it, as removal tends to spread the particulate contamination more in some cases. A lot of people's varying reactions to exposure are related to the sensitivity of their immune system to the foreign material. A similar case is beryllium metal particles which can lead to a fatal condition called berylliosis when inhaled. However it is estimated that only 5% of the population will have the reaction to exposure. (It's just that that they can't predict who those folks are.) Karen Sindir --part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David writes:

One of the worst offenders is WD-40.

That's because it leaves a light but oily residue which captures dust as you
pointed out. The graphite lube I use is a spray in a hydrocarbon carrier that
evaporates leaving only fine relatively dry graphite particles. I used it on
the advice of a locksmith who was an off road enthusiast.

As far as asbestos, the current approach is more to encapsulate rather than
just remove it, as removal tends to spread the particulate contamination more
in some cases. A lot of people's varying reactions to exposure are related to
the sensitivity of their immune system to the foreign material. A similar
case is beryllium metal particles which can lead to a fatal condition called
berylliosis when inhaled. However it is estimated that only 5% of the
population will have the reaction to exposure. (It's just that that they
can't predict who those folks are.)

Karen Sindir --part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary-- From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri Jun 1 21:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f521E3N03021 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:14:03 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f520Bn305442 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f520BmW05439 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13903 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f51NdN232358 for lro-digest-gone; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:39:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:39:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200106012339.f51NdN232358@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #393 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 393 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:38:53 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: very slight LR content This sounds like some misguided moralist prat's idea of "justice"... aj"Assholes R' Them!"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:43:54 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Royce (was Tuning by eye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:50:00 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye >BTW last week I went to the Bolton Steam Museum, full of really old, big, engines that used to power the old cotton mills in the 19th Century ( a rough job mine, but someone has to do it). In a corner was a generator and board built by Royce in the days before he met Rolls. I read short biographies of Rolls and Royce, and the one who was the hands- on engineer/mechanic/etc, who I believe was Royce, served his apprenticeship, if memory serves, in the locomotive shops at Crewe. But I definitely remember the description of his "final exam." The apprentices were given a flat piece of steel and a round bar. Using only hand tools and no measuring devices of any kind, they had to create a square hole in the flat sheet and square the round bar so that the bar fit in the hole perfectly no matter how you inserted it. I doubt there are many people today who could accomplish such a task (Royce apparently did it quite easily). _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:10:06 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird Salisbury leak (again) Bill, I'd be damned surprised if there wasn't some kind of a fuzzy cog (felt washer) in there. If there's a path for the 90-weight to go there has to be something stopping it. Have a look at the exploded parts diagram - that should show something. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:18:35 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Royce (was Tuning by eye) At 10:43 31/05/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote >the description of his "final exam." The apprentices were given a flat >piece of >steel and a round bar. Using only hand tools and no measuring devices of >any kind, >they had to create a square hole in the flat sheet and square the round bar >so that the bar fit in the hole perfectly no matter how you inserted >it. I doubt there >are many people today who could accomplish such a task (Royce apparently >did it >quite easily). When I was going to university I had a part time job in a cabinet makers shop. The entire hiring process (resume, application, interview etc) consisted of being handed a lump of rough lumber, a square, handsaw, and a plane, and told to produce a near as perfect cube as possible. The dimensions didn't matter but it had to be a cube. The exercise remains to this day as the most difficult woodworking I've ever done. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:11:33 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird Salisbury leak (again) > Have a look at the exploded parts diagram - that should show > something. > > ajr Where do I find one of these? Not that I've looked, but I'm guessing there ain't one in the SII/IIA green bible, seeing as how Salisburies (is that the plural?) didn't come on 'em. Maybe I'll dig into Mr. Haynes manual and then go see what mid-70s F250s had on them. Headed out to garage now to poke around in my manuals. . . bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:04:58 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Salisbury diagram OK, now I actually checked my manuals and there ain't an exploded diagram in any of 'em. Anyone know where I can view one of these? bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:47:18 -0700 From: Tom Gross Subject: LRO: Overworked and underpaid Ok that's it. I've listened to this crap long enough from Olgive and Faure. I worked for the government, United States Forest Service, as a fire fighter until I was 39. I don't recall feeling particularly fat or underworked after pulling 24 or 48 hour shifts digging hand line in steep mountain terrain, breathing smoke that seared my lungs. I was burned over once. I don't remember feeling coddled when I wondered if that final roiling, broiling, coppery colored cloud of dust and smoke was going to be hot enough to kill me. I don't remember feeling particularly lazy when I was running 5 miles a day so that I could be in good enough shape to last through 45 minutes of initial attack on fires in the Sonoran Desert in the summer before I got sick from the heat. I don't remember looking around and seeing too many slackers on the line. My father was a non-union carpenter in Phoenix, Arizona (a "right-to-work" state) until the day he said piss on it, and retired at 63. He was grateful for unions so that the wages paid to non-union carpenters would be a little more than what they would have been had there not been unions. He worked hard and got laid off at 55 after an idiot who had enough money to buy the business where he worked, but not enough brains to keep it afloat ran it into the ground. There wasn't any health insurance for him, my mom and the 4 kids still at home while he scrambled to look for work at his age. If he'd been in a union, he'd have had health insurance. Today he'd at least have had some protection thanks to those bleeding-heart tax-and-spend liberals who worked for COBRA. In 1966, when I was 18, and just out of high school, my father got me a job working at the mobile home factory where he worked. About 2 weeks into my new job I stuck my middle and index fingers into a radial arm saw. Most of it was my fault, but some of it was due to an incorrectly set up saw. Afterall, you can get a couple more inches of cutting travel if you set the backstop back under the blade a little farther. That way you don't have to buy a bigger saw. Think of it, I might not be able to flip off Faure and Olgive with the short middle finger if there had been an OSHA around in those days. You know boys, "Survival of the fittest." has its place, but humans are conscious beings. We can see that maybe the carnage left from laissez faire in an industrial society may not be in the best interests of everybody, and certainly not in the interests of those that aren't fit enough. So, please keep your warmed over Ronald "S-head" Reagan rhetoric off a list that's supposed to be about keeping our vehicles going down the road. I apologize to the list for this rant, but these guys don't seem ever to get called on this stuff. Tom Gross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:35:22 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Friend's tranny problem Hi folks, A good friend of mine in Italy just got a SIII 109SW. I got this e-mail from him today. While I'm exhorting him to join the list, can anyone offer any sage advice re. his problem, which I can fwd. to him? thanks, bill Paul says: Had no problems the 800 or so miles from > London to Vicenza. But now the gearbox locks up once in a while. > Sometimes I have to stop it, turn off the engine, and shift the > gears while it is off to get it smooth again. Any suggestions? I > have seen this before on old stick shift vehicles. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:01:25 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: Overworked and underpaid Superbly well said. Best cheers, Andrew "Macka" MacGowan New Zealand Landrover Owners Club Moderator http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/nzlromacka/NZLROC/ R.E.M.L.R Member 115 1971 Ex NZ Army Series IIA 88 Softop FV2343 "Skippy >Ok that's it. I've listened to this crap long enough from Olgive and Faure. >I worked for the government, United States Forest Service, as a fire fighter >until I was 39. I don't recall feeling particularly fat or underworked >after pulling 24 or 48 hour shifts digging hand line in steep mountain >terrain, breathing smoke that seared my lungs. I was burned over once. I >don't remember feeling coddled when I wondered if that final roiling, >broiling, coppery colored cloud of dust and smoke was going to be hot enough >to kill me. I don't remember feeling particularly lazy when I was running 5 >miles a day so that I could be in good enough shape to last through 45 >minutes of initial attack on fires in the Sonoran Desert in the summer >before I got sick from the heat. I don't remember looking around and seeing >too many slackers on the line. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:03:07 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Friend's tranny problem Check for the plastic ball on the end of the gear lever. It often disintegrates and the too small end remaining can slip between the selectors cause a gearbox lock up. Solution is to replace the ball or use a Series II/IIA gearlever. Or weld a nut on the end of the stick and file it to shape so it fits the selectors. > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Rice [SMTP:jarvis64@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:35 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: LRO: Friend's tranny problem > > Hi folks, > A good friend of mine in Italy just got a SIII 109SW. I got this e-mail > from him today. While I'm exhorting him to join the list, can anyone > offer any sage advice re. his problem, which I can fwd. to him? > > thanks, > bill > > Paul says: > Had no problems the 800 or so miles from > > London to Vicenza. But now the gearbox locks up once in a while. > > Sometimes I have to stop it, turn off the engine, and shift the > > gears while it is off to get it smooth again. Any suggestions? I > > have seen this before on old stick shift vehicles. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:02:26 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Salisbury diagram Bill, I have a diagram in the parts catalogue. William J. Rice wrote: > > OK, now I actually checked my manuals and there ain't an exploded diagram > in any of 'em. Anyone know where I can view one of these? > > bill - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:06:22 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Salisbury diagram Are you sure the nut isn't loose? Off hand, I don't see anything that looks like it would seal there. I think most diffs seal by the mating surfaces of the flange and pinion shaft. William J. Rice wrote: > > OK, now I actually checked my manuals and there ain't an exploded diagram > in any of 'em. Anyone know where I can view one of these? > > bill - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:55:28 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Overworked and underpaid Well, now that we're well and good-ly off topic, I'll pitch in my $.02. I agree w/ Tom to a point--As an government employee in the U.S. Army infantry, I've never felt particularly underutilizied. I think this is one of those things that most gov't employees let slide off their back, always assuming that the comment is ref. those OTHER gov't employees (many DA civilians, for instance) who really are getting over. Kind of like officer jokes--I don't get real riled up about them. When the enlisted guy doing the ribbing gets his own platoon/company he'll realize that the responsibilities and tasks are bigger than he ever could've imagined while humping his own ruck and watching his section of the perimeter, imagining that the platoon leader is loafing in the middle. However, the rest of his missive I find hard to agree with. I certainly agree that watchdog/compassion organizations need to exist, but I completely disagree that they should be gov't agencies. Though these agencies do perform many desireable deeds, regulatory/bureaucratic costs (EPA, OSHA, Workman's comp, Social Security, DOT) are an ever-growing millstone around the necks of American business and, I believe, are largely responsible for our transition from a manufacturing to a service economy (which may seem dandy now, but doesn't hold up too well in tough times). I think that were government not forcing us all to be involved in mandatory relief/regulation (via taxation), we would not have blue collar workers dying on the streets. We would have a lot more community-based, voluntary, EFFECTIVE intervention to help those in need. Before the FDR and LBJ this happened a good bit, albeit after some industrial revolution nastiness (which was FAR worse in GB where things weren't nearly as lazziez faire). There are almost always market-based reforms that will be more effective and far cheaper than establishment of a regulatory leviathan to oversee the crisis of the moment. OK, now I'll shut up about this and go see if that nut on my pinion is tight. bill ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 2001 17:10:47 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Overworked and underpaid Interesting contrast in subject delineation between Tom's point of view and the opinions apparently held by Marin and Peter. Tom has referred to social/political action and effect only with respect to his personal situation. While Marin and Peter have discussed the effects on all of us as a whole. Probably not a Rover topic, but interesting none the less. (especially after a few beers on a hot day :-) Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" On Thu, 31 May 2001, Tom Gross wrote: > > Ok that's it. I've listened to this crap long enough from Olgive and Faure. > I worked for the government, United States Forest Service, as a fire fighter > until I was 39. I don't recall feeling particularly fat or underworked > after pulling 24 or 48 hour shifts digging hand line in steep mountain > terrain, breathing smoke that seared my lungs. I was burned over once. I > don't remember feeling coddled when I wondered if that final roiling, > broiling, coppery colored cloud of dust and smoke was going to be hot enough > to kill me. I don't remember feeling particularly lazy when I was running 5 > miles a day so that I could be in good enough shape to last through 45 > minutes of initial attack on fires in the Sonoran Desert in the summer > before I got sick from the heat. I don't remember looking around and seeing > too many slackers on the line. > > My father was a non-union carpenter in Phoenix, Arizona (a "right-to-work" > state) until the day he said piss on it, and retired at 63. He was grateful > for unions so that the wages paid to non-union carpenters would be a little > more than what they would have been had there not been unions. He worked > hard and got laid off at 55 after an idiot who had enough money to buy the > business where he worked, but not enough brains to keep it afloat ran it > into the ground. There wasn't any health insurance for him, my mom and the > 4 kids still at home while he scrambled to look for work at his age. If > he'd been in a union, he'd have had health insurance. Today he'd at least > have had some protection thanks to those bleeding-heart tax-and-spend > liberals who worked for COBRA. > > In 1966, when I was 18, and just out of high school, my father got me a job > working at the mobile home factory where he worked. About 2 weeks into my > new job I stuck my middle and index fingers into a radial arm saw. Most of > it was my fault, but some of it was due to an incorrectly set up saw. > Afterall, you can get a couple more inches of cutting travel if you set the > backstop back under the blade a little farther. That way you don't have to > buy a bigger saw. Think of it, I might not be able to flip off Faure and > Olgive with the short middle finger if there had been an OSHA around in > those days. > > You know boys, "Survival of the fittest." has its place, but humans are > conscious beings. We can see that maybe the carnage left from laissez faire > in an industrial society may not be in the best interests of everybody, and > certainly not in the interests of those that aren't fit enough. > > So, please keep your warmed over Ronald "S-head" Reagan rhetoric off a list > that's supposed to be about keeping our vehicles going down the road. > > I apologize to the list for this rant, but these guys don't seem ever to get > called on this stuff. > > Tom Gross ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:39:16 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Overworked and underpaid Thanks Tom Chris hall only thing worse than a union is management that them necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:28:11 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye Isn't the materiel supposed to be disposed of safely? If you just scrape it off onto the shop floor, you'll get fibres in the air when the waste dries. Brake and clutch linings are still made with asbestos. Yes, I just assumed that was a given. Not very bright on my part. The current rule proposal is for periodic annalists of shop floor dust, with results filed with OSHA to ensure no asbestos loose in the shops. It is getting so the best part of the professional car business is getting out. Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:43:38 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) Presumably under the assumption that a couple of inches of pencil lead is going to alter the mass of the pad/shoe enough to actually alter it's vibration characteristics? So let's get this correct. Brake shoe weighs what 8oz. Drilling out 20 holes and put in pencil 'lead' maybe adds 0.01 of an oz. Total change in mass about zero. Can't see that doing anything to alter vibration characteristics. I'm sure someone who can remember their A level Physics can put this into figures better than me (too long ago I'm afraid) but it's doesn't sound correct to me. Just my opinion :-) On 31 May 2001, at 10:36, Faure, Marin wrote: > Actually, the graphite does not do anything to lubricate the lining. The > purpose of the lead "inserts" in the edge of the lining (not the face) is to > dampen the high-frequency vibrations that are the actual source of the squeal. > It works for both pads and shoes. You drill a series of holes in the leading or > upside edge of the shoe or pad lining parallel to and as close as possible to > the backing plate. Insert the lead cores that you cut from pencils. It's > important to make sure the holes face up, otherwise the lead cores might fall > out, although under the high heat generated in the brakes, they probably become > pretty well bonded to the lining material in a short time. The lead "breaks up" > the vibration in the pad or shoe, and no more squeal. Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:53:15 EDT From: SFmms@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re: Graphite lube and asbestos - --part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David writes: > One of the worst offenders is WD-40. > That's because it leaves a light but oily residue which captures dust as you pointed out. The graphite lube I use is a spray in a hydrocarbon carrier that evaporates leaving only fine relatively dry graphite particles. I used it on the advice of a locksmith who was an off road enthusiast. As far as asbestos, the current approach is more to encapsulate rather than just remove it, as removal tends to spread the particulate contamination more in some cases. A lot of people's varying reactions to exposure are related to the sensitivity of their immune system to the foreign material. A similar case is beryllium metal particles which can lead to a fatal condition called berylliosis when inhaled. However it is estimated that only 5% of the population will have the reaction to exposure. (It's just that that they can't predict who those folks are.) Karen Sindir - --part1_14.1507ea1e.2848a3eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David writes:

One of the worst offenders is WD-40.

I have a Dormo= bile that I'm finally getting funds to work on. My
question is = around the wiring and electrical load.

I have extensive plans (rea= d dreams?) on what I want this vehicle to
do and I think I want extra= capacity for the electrical load. Dual-
batteries, wiring to th= e back for a small spare marine-type panel for
various lights, ham ra= dios, etc. are all under consideration.

Like any old = LR, the wiring is in horrible shape. Would I be better
served g= oing to a generic wiring harness (Painless comes to mind:
http://www.painlessperformance= .com/ ) OR would a new LR IIA harness
with mods be more app= ropriate?

Seems like TeriAnn Wakeman did hers from scratch. = That appears to
have served her well.

I am fairly well versed = in electricity and have no real fear of
digging into it so that's not= a huge consern.....I know which end of the solder
iron to grab unles= s it lands in your lap at which point jumping up is sufficient. :-)<= BR>
Advice from you knowledgeable LR folks is appreciated!

Chee= rs,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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