From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 31 03:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4V7a4N30109 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 03:36:04 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4V6XkN12424 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4V6XkW12421 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02078 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4V6DxE08253 for lro-gone; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:13:59 -0400 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4V6Ds608249 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:13:54 -0400 Received: from SFmms@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 3.f9.ab1d852 (4183) for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:13:39 EDT Subject: LRO: Re: Pencil lead and LRs To: lro-digest@works.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marin Faure writes: > Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our > Range Rover, > The "lead" in pencils is graphite, which is a good lubricant. I regularly spray graphite lube on my SIII and SIIa leaf springs to reduce friction between the leaves. Good in locks too. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros '95 Disco EFE --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marin Faure writes:

Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our
Range Rover,

The "lead" in pencils is graphite, which is a good lubricant. I regularly
spray graphite lube on my SIII and SIIa leaf springs to reduce friction
between the leaves. Good in locks too.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'66 SIIa 88 Barbaros
'95 Disco EFE --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary-- From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 31 04:07:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4V87ZN30224 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 04:07:35 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4V75Hk12860 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 31 May 2001 03:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4V75HW12857 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 03:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06161 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 03:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4V6kdj08616 for lro-gone; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:46:39 -0400 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4V6kX608610 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:46:33 -0400 Received: from SFmms@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 3.6b.151f571f (4183) for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.151f571f.284742bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:46:19 EDT Subject: LRO: Re: Smiths temp sender To: lro-digest@works.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi --part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike writes: > To me it looks like the > sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The > liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle. > The "liquid" is actually ether vapor, which would be hard to refill yourself. If you are in the US, Nissonger in the Northeast US (NY or NJ area?) rebuilds these and a company called Momar in the Western US (Nevada, Colorado?) does also. British Pacific has used the latter company for a while and could probably get you in touch with them (they rebuilt one for me that sprang a leak during installation). Hope that helps, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros '95 Disco EFE --part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike writes:

To me it looks like the
sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The
liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle.
I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line.

The "liquid" is actually ether vapor, which would be hard to refill yourself.
If you are in the US, Nissonger in the Northeast US (NY or NJ area?) rebuilds
these and a company called Momar in the Western US (Nevada, Colorado?) does
also. British Pacific has used the latter company for a while and could
probably get you in touch with them (they rebuilt one for me that sprang a
leak during installation).

Hope that helps,

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'66 SIIa 88 Barbaros
'95 Disco EFE --part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary-- From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 31 10:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4VExoN30742 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 10:59:51 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4VDvXb19172 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 31 May 2001 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4VDvWW19169 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13022 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4VDX3N15076 for lro-gone; Thu, 31 May 2001 09:33:03 -0400 Received: from cefni.aber.ac.uk (cefni.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.40]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4VDWx615072 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 09:32:59 -0400 Received: from pcdjjb.dbs.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.112.238] helo=daffodil) by cefni.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1) id 155SZL-0003ky-00 for lro-digest@works.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2001 14:32:55 +0100 From: "Andy Woodward" To: lro-digest@works.team.net Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:34:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel Message-ID: <3B16567F.31448.459910@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi \gasoline in this country (US). I'm curious if the owners of \2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the \sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out? Our trawler, which was built \in 1973, is fitted with two, large, six-cylinder diesels. These \engines \were designed to be run on fuel containing sulfur. I don't know why \the fuel companies put sulfur in diesel fuel, but they did. Now the \sulfur \content of diesel fuel is being reduced, and in some cases \eliminated to reduce harmful emissions. I have been told by the \shop that \works on our engines, and I have read in several boating articles, \that it's \important to use a fuel additive with older diesel engines like ours, \to restore \the lubrication of the fuel injectors and parts of the injector or \distributor pumps \that used to be provided by the sulfur in the fuel. The pumps \themselves are \lubricated with engine oil, but there are apparently components \within them \that get their lubrication from the fuel passing through. The shop \didn't say \anything about the importance of sulfur to the valves and valve \seats, however. We've had these problems over here where we've had Ultra Low Sulphur Deisel for a while. According to the guy in the local deisel service place, its more common than folk realise. But the fix is apparently simple, according to the UK-lro list, who have discussed this over teh last couple of years. Just add a cup of cheap engine oil to each fill up. This then lubricates teh pump. Probably puts the emissions back wher they were before, or worse, but who cares if the damned stuff is wearing out your DPS pump?????? DPS pumps cost a LOT of money. From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 31 15:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4VJXDN31205 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:33:13 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4VIUuO27818 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 31 May 2001 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4VIUuW27815 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25569 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 14:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4VHbn116637 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 31 May 2001 13:37:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:37:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200105311737.f4VHbn116637@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #392 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, May 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 392 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:01:16 -0400 From: Nick Danger Subject: LRO: Wobbly (?) distributor - Series III I just got back from a california trip on business and I parked the Rover before I left. A week later I came back and she started up great! Let her warm up and away I drove, kinda. It was as if I wasnt getting enough gas, or it was way out of tune. It was chocking and doing strange things when trying to drive forward, it idled fine and revved fine just not when in gear. At first I thought I broke the clutch or something but I chalked it up to something in the fuel line or the float in the carb clogged. I just cleaned the carb lines and it seemed fine. (Zenith; I blew cleaner into all the jets and watched them squirt out the other holes. The intake hole still seems a little clogged but I might just be a bozo there) I also checked the points and thats when I noticed the distrib shaft is a little wobbly. I think wobbly might not be the right word as I cant really wiggle it out of line but I can rotate it a few degrees in either direction with zero resistance and a noticable "clink" noice when I do so. And that has me nervous. The behavior is still there, less so then it was before, but still very noticable. And Im running very rich, I can hear the popping in the exhaust. So before I try to bring this to the mechanic (i've been meaning to do so and perhaps its finally time its out of my league), am I looking at this wrong, and is my dist shaft supposed to rotate a little by hand? I dont remember it ever doing that, but then it hasnt even been a year yet that I've had it :-) Im not so sure my ear is in the range for tuning by ear yet. Thanks all! - -Nick Series III PS - Saw some very nice Rovers around CA! A few defenders and a Series that was in polished aluminum. (outside San Francisco) This was all around the Santa Cruz, San Jose and San Francisco areas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:14:52 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) Rich, Will probably go about the same time as you. Spent my wastrel college days working at a name brand company that makes kidney dialysis and blood transfusion products. The plastic was extruded from polyvinylchlorate (PVC) plastic. Eight hours a day for months, for multiple summers sucking down the fumes from the extrusion heads (plus history of cancer in the family) probably does me no good. But hey!, enjoy life while you can!!! Look at Steve McQueen. Lots of good life between the ship builders' asbestos of the '40s and his death. As the bikers like to say - - Live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse! Larry Smith Chester, VA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Williams II" To: Sent: 30 May, 2001 02:40 PM Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > No LR related but here's a good one. My folks recently had one of their > bathroom floors replaced recently due to water damage. The house was built > in 1980 which is around the same time that asbestos use was banned in > residential flooring. Yet there was still quite a lot of asbestos-laden > flooring in the supply chain through the very early eighties. Anyway, some > poor laborer took a power saw to the flooring and unknowingly filled the > house with asbestos dust (as well as his lungs - yikes!). That night I was > laying on the floor looking down into the framing to inspect the damage > (I've built several homes in the past and was keeping an "eye" on things for > my parents). When I stood up from the prone position I looked at one of the > floor scraps laying about and thought it looked suspicious. The test is to > bend the flooring. If you take a corner and bend it up and it easily > flexes, no problem. But if you bend it over and it snaps and breaks as if > it were brittle then it is likely positive for asbestos. I immediately had > it tested and sure enough - loads of the junk. And I was white with dust > from laying on the floor - so who knows what will happen in the future. And > how many old bathroom floors does this other guy saw up in an average year, > not knowing anything about what he is cutting into?? $55,000 later the > insurance company (who recommended the contractor who did the bathroom > repair) had the house cleaned up. But that still left carpet with a lot of > asbestos so that had to be replaced at an additional cost of many thousands > of dollars. The contractor immediately filed for bankruptcy protection and > left town. Apparently, with several of the insurance company's jobs in a > similar state of chaos with asbestos problems and the like. > > And so life goes on.... > > Rich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Treanor > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:47 AM > Subject: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > > > > What about the poor mechanic taking off a brake drum filled with 40,000 > > miles worth of asbestos brake dust? On any brake assembly that needs a few > > whacks to loosen the drum, a cloud of brake dust fills the air. Do you > know > > anyone that wear a respirator while doing a brake job? > > > > The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead > to > > the pads? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > > Behalf Of Faure, Marin > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:00 PM > > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > > Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > > > > > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200 > > From: jos de vries > > Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye > > > > Marin Faure wrote: > > >>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. > > > > >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the > pavement > > and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short > > after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The > > asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. > > > > I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those > instances > > where people are actually working with the material. But the hysteria > over > > asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and > > clutch > > linings which are machine-made. If the manufacturing facility is set up > > properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within > > safe limits. I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's > just > > a > > greasy rock. Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots. > > Asbestos is a very useful material. Like nuclear power, the trick is to > > work > > with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear. When they took > > asbestos > > out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, > but > > it > > created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches. > > > > _________________________________________ > > C. Marin Faure > > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > > telephone (425)393-7721 > > mobile (206)650-5622 > > fax: (425)393-7741 > > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:17:14 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: Re-lashing cleats Mike, I detect an odor of Secrecy about this "FART' Do we need to call "60 Minutes"? Seems they can smell out a story most any place. Larry Smith Chester, VA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rogers" To: "LRO List" Sent: 30 May, 2001 04:37 PM Subject: LRO: Re-lashing cleats > >>>>nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" > square > chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in > place. Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes.!). I have heard > rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue. Anyone know where to get > them<<<< > > SSSSSHHH don't shout about these things. These latest British MOD Flush > Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns are still on the secret list and subject to > official secrets act (subsection 223b "Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns" > restrictions). > > This post has already lead to the start of an SIB investigation to see how > information on this new innovation has become public knowledge. Beware a > "FART" (Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns) investigation team may be on > its way, > > Mike Rogers > Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid > LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) > (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:57:33 -0700 From: "Paul Quin" Subject: LRO: Re: REAR MAIN SEAL PANIC The oil seal set the I used came with two sets of cork "T" pieces. One is for the 2&1/4 engine which you have, the other is for the 2.6 six cylinder engine. Both are included with the kit as a convenience. By your description it sounds like you did all right... Paul in Victoria. - ----- Original Message ----- > The project that will not end. > > I pulled the motor to replace the rear main seal. > The replacement was a IIa set up, so needed the retainer... > then the timing chain and the bloody front cover and,well... > > > There was mention of the cork "T" pieces for the rear seal set up in a > digest entry I got today. > > WHAT the HELL are they for? > > I replaced the black "t" 's along the side of the heavy metal below the rear > crank. I have leftover cork looking "T" 's!!!! > > Of course, I have everything back together now and am just waiting for a day > to rent the lift for the third time. I thought the cork was just a IIa vs > II thing and did not look too hard for the old ones. > > DO I NEED TO TAKE IT ALL APART AGAIN???? > > > -Rik in Minnesota > 1960 Ser II SWB SW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:27:30 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak TeriAnn writes:>>>It has something to do with what an English chemist named Boyle came up > with<<< oh right, blame THAT on us as well. The English, cause of all the world's woes. Isn't it enough that we invented the damn' vehicle, now you're saying it's our fault it leaks... er... It's been a long day :-(> Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:40:53 -0700 From: "G. Mugele" Subject: LRO: conspiracies (was Re: weird Salisbury leak) >oh right, blame THAT on us as well. The English, cause of all the world's >woes. Isn't it enough that we invented the damn' vehicle, now you're saying >it's our fault it leaks... er... > Well.... speaking of conspiracies: I happen to know that Michael Faraday was English and so was Joe Lucas..... Gerry Mugele Peat 95 D90 SW *** Practice safe eating, always use condiments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:21:44 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye I believe the gov't just announced that you still need to be careful of brake shoes as they still contain asbestos. Apparently the mfg's are just now getting around to removing the stuff. Asbestos is not the big bugaboo that the health nuts would have you believe, by the way. Asbestos is a naturally occurring substance, especially in the Western American Desserts. It does not cause lung cancer, ala cigarettes, but a cancer of the the lining of the outside of the lung. The molecular structure of asbestos looks like one of those spiked balls like the old knights used as a Mace and Ball. Very sharp edges. Apparently it irritates the lining of the lungs and eventually causes cancer, in a few people. But its far, far from a 100% certainty that exposure will lead to cancer. That's why it took so long to associate asbestos with the peculiar form of cancer it causes. In the first place it must be ground down to a molecular level dust to cause any damage. Unfortunately thats the state it was in for the pipefitters to make up a slurry that they'd wrap around pipes. Probably high concentration of the stuff in the air in the bowels of a ship. You also may notice that's the state the remains of your brake pads/shoes are when they are worn down. Wearing a simple particle mask is more that adequate protection from asbestos dust. The hysteria about asbestos in building materials is mostly completely unwarranted. All you have to do, to be safe, is encapsulate it so it can't be broken up. A simple paint covering is enough. We've wasted billions of dollars ripping out asbestos, when it could have been noted, safely encapsulated and left in place. It then could have been removed when there was an actual need like the offending parts had to be removed, or demolition of the building. Asbestos in floor tile is almost an absolute non problem as the asbestos remains bound up with the filler in the tile so it doesn't break down into its pure molecular structure and its spiky nature is not exposed. So asbestos was an especial hazard for those working directly with it, in its powder form, in construction or other manufacturing, but not a danger to the general public in its finalized form. The big problem with Asbestos was that the Manufacturers did not act quickly when they knew it could be a health hazard. More than 10 years, might have been 20, passed between the determination that it caused cancer in some people, and the time the word was put out. When I worked in the Boat Building industry in the '70's they used powdered asbestos as a thickener in resin. Stuff was left on the shop floor, uncovered, in 50 gallon drums. We used to scoop it into ordinary grocery bags to carry to the job site. Don't know how many of the bags broke and the contents blown around the boat yard. The area around the drum was covered in grey powder. No one knew, at that level, that precautiouns needed to be taken and you shouldn't be breathing the stuff. As far as the poor laborers breaking their backs on a union, government job laying tile. I haven't seen a government and/or union job where anyone was overworked. Biggest health hazard is from getting fat. Construction workers DO earn their pay, but I wouldn't be crying over how they are overworked ad especially being under paid. So don't sweat your past exposure to asbestos. Best to wear a particle mask and thoroughly clean brake areas with approved cleaner when working on your brakes. Don't worry, be happy. Even if you snorted the stuff, you probably wouldn't get lung cancer. Aloha Peter Asbestos suit in preparation. >From: jos de vries >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement >and small roads were found to have a lot of astbestos in there lungs, short >after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The asbestos >level is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. >Jos de Vries >Delft, Holland >Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 >Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:53:57 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye >But >its far, far from a 100% certainty that exposure will lead to cancer. >That's why it took so long to associate asbestos with the peculiar form of >cancer it causes. Mesaspeloma (sp?) is the cancer traced to asbestos. Far more common is Asbestosis, an emphysema like condition, just as deadly. >Wearing a simple particle mask is more that adequate protection from asbestos dust. Just not true and you should know better. All masks are not created equal. The mask must be an effective filter of the fiber size in question, as not all fiber sizes cause the conditions. The mask must also have an effective seal on the face. I don't know of a single strap mask that can do that. Any facial hair in the seal area will negate the best masks. >The big problem with Asbestos was that the Manufacturers did not act quickly >when they knew it could be a health hazard. More than 10 years, might have >been 20, passed between the determination that it caused cancer in some >people, and the time the word was put out. More like 60 years. The correlations were first made in the 20's.. Best to wear a particle mask and thoroughly clean brake areas with approved cleaner when working on your brakes. Don't worry, be happy. Even if you snorted the stuff, you probably wouldn't get lung cancer. > Best to wear a particle mask >and thoroughly clean brake areas with approved cleaner when working on your >brakes. The current OSHA approved method is to spray the brakes from at least 18" with an aerosol can of cleaner until the dust is wet then you can clean at close range. > Even if you snorted the stuff, you probably >wouldn't get lung cancer. How about asbestosis? Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:40:38 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: LRO: Lead pencils and brakes I'm not sure that I follow this properly, however, is it the idea that one drills a series of holes vertically near the leading edge face of the shoes and inserts bits of graphite pencil leads? If so, then isn't the efficiency of the braking system compromised because after all, graphite is a lubricant? I reduced brake squealing to next to nothing by chamfering the leading edge of the shoes to a 30 or 45 degree angle on the advice of someone who had dealt with similar problems in MG's. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:52:23 -0700 From: "Gerry Elam" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C0E94A.6D7352E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >oh right, blame THAT on us as well. The English, cause of all the world'= s >woes. Isn't it enough that we invented the damn' vehicle, now you're say= ing >it's our fault it leaks... er... >It's been a long day :-(> I remember a thread from about 4 or 5 years ago when the subject was remo= ving rust or something from gas tanks. The suggestion was to put in a ch= ain with a solvent, shake it over your head and yell, "bring out yer dead= ... bring out yer dead...." This post from Frank ranks up there with great posts like the "bring out = yer dead"-post that I'll remember for years. Good on you Frank! Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ =20 - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C0E94A.6D7352E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>oh right, = blame THAT on us as well. The English, cause of all the world's
>wo= es. Isn't it enough that we invented the damn' vehicle, now you're saying=
>it's our fault it leaks... er...

>It's been a long day = :-(>

I remember a thread from about 4 or&= nbsp;5 years ago when the subject was removing rust or something from gas= tanks. The suggestion was to put in a chain with a solvent, shake = it over your head and yell, "bring out yer dead... bring out yer dead....= "

This post from Frank ranks up there with g= reat posts like the "bring out yer dead"-post that I'll remember for year= s.

Good on you Frank!

Cheers,
Gerry Elam

PHX AZ

- ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C0E94A.6D7352E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:23:51 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye It is best not to ingest asbestos dust, period. But if you did, its not a death sentence. Some people worked around, in and on top of asbestos their whole lives and weren't effected. I did it innocently for more than a year. Others have had problems with relatively brief exposures. In almost all cases, we're talking intense involvment with airborn particles, however. You'd have to be damn unlucky to get either cancer or asbestosis from the brief encounters of the typical Rover hobbiest. Steve McQueen was one of the unlucky ones. He probably was exposed racing dirt bikes in the California Deserts. Now doesn't that make all you Mojave habitue's feel good!! We've wasted billions of dollars on a witch hunt for asbestos in its stable, non powder state. Hell the State Legislators here in Hawaii blew 65 million dollars (Initial estimate was $16,000,000) on de-asbestosing the capitol building. Just the group that might of benefited from a good whiff of the stuff. I think the term is 'frangible', but in any case, if its not ground down to a fine dust, its harmless. Aloha Peter O. >From: christian147@juno.com >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:53:57 -0700 > > >But > >its far, far from a 100% certainty that exposure will lead to cancer. > >That's why it took so long to associate asbestos with the peculiar form >of > >cancer it causes. > >Mesaspeloma (sp?) is the cancer traced to asbestos. Far more common is >Asbestosis, an emphysema like condition, just as deadly. > > >Wearing a simple particle mask is more that adequate protection from >asbestos dust. > >Just not true and you should know better. All masks are not created >equal. The mask must be an effective filter of the fiber size in >question, as not all fiber sizes cause the conditions. The mask must >also have an effective seal on the face. I don't know of a single strap >mask that can do that. Any facial hair in the seal area will negate the >best masks. > > >The big problem with Asbestos was that the Manufacturers did not act >quickly > >when they knew it could be a health hazard. More than 10 years, might >have > >been 20, passed between the determination that it caused cancer in some > >people, and the time the word was put out. > >More like 60 years. The correlations were first made in the 20's.. Best >to wear a particle mask >and thoroughly clean brake areas with approved cleaner when working on >your >brakes. Don't worry, be happy. Even if you snorted the stuff, you >probably >wouldn't get lung cancer. > > > Best to wear a particle mask > >and thoroughly clean brake areas with approved cleaner when working on >your > >brakes. > >The current OSHA approved method is to spray the brakes from at least 18" >with an aerosol can of cleaner until the dust is wet then you can clean >at close range. > > > Even if you snorted the stuff, you probably > >wouldn't get lung cancer. > >How about asbestosis? > > >Chris hall > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:50:19 From: "kyle vandyke" Subject: LRO: Learning by breaking >Kyle writes: >>>I've learned alot about > > rovers by breaking things then figuring out what they do, how they work, >and > > how to fix what I screwed up. <<< > >yep, that's the school I went to as well :-)> And in that school I just learned that shuddering at 55 mph may mean your U-joints are worn out - the hard way. They make an ugly noise when they break. Kyle and a now 2wd 92 RR 1971 SIIA 109 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:13:39 EDT From: SFmms@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re: Pencil lead and LRs - --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marin Faure writes: > Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our > Range Rover, > The "lead" in pencils is graphite, which is a good lubricant. I regularly spray graphite lube on my SIII and SIIa leaf springs to reduce friction between the leaves. Good in locks too. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros '95 Disco EFE - --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marin Faure writes:

Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our
Range Rover,

The "lead" in pencils is graphite, which is a good lubricant. I regularly
spray graphite lube on my SIII and SIIa leaf springs to reduce friction
between the leaves. Good in locks too.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'66 SIIa 88 Barbaros
'95 Disco EFE - --part1_f9.ab1d852.28473b13_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:33:38 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Pencil lead and LRs On Thu, 31 May 2001 SFmms@aol.com wrote: :The "lead" in pencils is graphite, which is a good lubricant. I regularly :spray graphite lube on my SIII and SIIa leaf springs to reduce friction :between the leaves. Good in locks too. : Only locks that aren't ever lubricated with anything else, and aren't exposed to the elements. Graphite and many other lubricants combine to form a nasty mess that will gum them up. One of the worst offenders is WD-40. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:46:19 EDT From: SFmms@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re: Smiths temp sender - --part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike writes: > To me it looks like the > sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The > liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle. > The "liquid" is actually ether vapor, which would be hard to refill yourself. If you are in the US, Nissonger in the Northeast US (NY or NJ area?) rebuilds these and a company called Momar in the Western US (Nevada, Colorado?) does also. British Pacific has used the latter company for a while and could probably get you in touch with them (they rebuilt one for me that sprang a leak during installation). Hope that helps, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros '95 Disco EFE - --part1_6b.151f571f.284742bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike writes:

To me it looks like the
sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The
liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle.
I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line.