From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Wed May 30 06:23:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4UANTN26536 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 06:23:29 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4U9LAp12893 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 30 May 2001 05:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4U9L9W12889 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 05:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22517 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 05:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4U8nXh23267 for lro-digest-gone; Wed, 30 May 2001 04:49:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200105300849.f4U8nXh23267@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #390 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, May 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:33:37 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: lashing cleats In Sheppard's VDE Guide, there is a good section on lashing and loading. On page 4.2-33, there are pictures of the "regular" land rover issue "long D" shaped lashing cleats that protrude into the load section of the vehicle. More interesting, however, is a rear interior shot of a blue 90 with super nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" square chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in place. Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes. Sheppard gives LR part numbers for the new and old style LR long-D cleats, but is frustratingly silent on these recessed cleats, other than to say that they are "better" (no kidding!). I have heard rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue, or perhaps custom made. Anyone know where to get them? Anyone know how to get ahold of Sheppard? Anyone? Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:20:12 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: GM alternator recommendations Thanks to your info re. the case designation I was able to call up sounding like a knowledgeable consumer instead of some poor schmuck who drives a really old Pontiac Sunbird. bill Bravo - knowledge is power.....about 95 amps worth...8*) ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:47:28 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: West Marine Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:33:48 -0500 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine >The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine along with the rest of it. Actually, in our part of the world (Pacific Northwest), the marine VHF weather channels (WX 2,3,4, and 5) are distinctly marine-only broadcasts. They do not include the "standard" NOAA weather information available on, say, the WX band on some car radios. Up here, VHF-WX 2 and 3 are western Washington marine forecasts and current conditions, and 4 and 5 are the same type of broadcasts but are from Environment Canada and cover the coastal waters of southern BC. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:53:45 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote: :We've talked about the potential valve seat recession problems :in the 2.25 petrol engine as a result of the elimination of leaded :gasoline in this country (US). I'm curious if the owners of :2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the :sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out? Our trawler, which was built :in 1973, is fitted with two, large, six-cylinder diesels. These engines :were designed to be run on fuel containing sulfur. I don't know why :the fuel companies put sulfur in diesel fuel, but they did. Now the sulfur They didn't put it in, they just neglected to remove it. Sulfur occurs naturally in crude oil, and may be a byproduct of distillation (sulfur content is certainly controllable by distillation processes). It's in the fuel because it's more expensive to make fuel without it. Low-sulfur fuels can be a problem for fuel pumps, distributor pumps, and injectors, as these things are often dependent on the lubricity of fuel. I don't think there are problems with valves and valve seats. I've certainly never heard of any. High-quality low-sulfur has additives already in compenstate for lack of sulfur. I think there are some standards for this. Check with your fuel supplier. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:00:14 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:50:39 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye >It's not the CAT but the lack of lead. Miss Golightly has no CAT and still has a black exhaust no matter how lean she burns. Marin probably still has lead in the tank from the last time he filled up :-) My SIII gets good mileage, but not THAT good..:-). I suspect the lead in my fuel is from the hours I spend after every fillup filing the lead cores I carefully extract from No.2 pencils into my tank with a piece of sandpaper. That'll teach the gummint from messing around with my fuel. Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our Range Rover, to keep the brake pads from squealing. Works like a charm. Not my idea, but "stolen" from a Rolls Royce mechanic I used to know. It's how he (and other Rolls Royce shops) stopped the brakes on the cars they service from squealing after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. Why is it that car ownership is becoming more and more a case of developing workarounds to thwart the rules the government is imposing on us that take what used to work just fine and make it not only work not so fine, but make it harder than ever to fix? _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:04:15 -0400 From: "Scott Wickham Jr." Subject: LRO: RE: Rear Main Seal Replacement which is the path of least resistance pulling the trans and doing it in-place or lifting the enging out to do it. Pull the tranny. You can seperate the xcase from tranny to be able to lift yourself or hoist them together. Use the truck as a run up stand after you get the seal in and see if it leakes or not when your done. Dental picks help alot. Scooter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:06:00 -0400 From: "Scott Wickham Jr." Subject: RE: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement Steve, the engine really should come out as the crank must be pulled to replace the seal. I've done it without pulling the crank. I felt it best to not disturb the bearings as the rest of the engine was running so well. Other than the seal of course. Scooter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:10:00 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: STP (was Re: Marvel mystery oil) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:12:09 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil >Actually, I have heard of (and used) a good use for STP. When you are building up an engine use STP (straight) instead of oil. Back when my dad had a garage (late '60s early '70s) they built a lot of race engines and used this method. Seems the STP did a good job of lubricating everything on the first start before the pump got pressure up... Yes, I have heard this, too. When building up an engine, coat all the moving parts with STP as they are installed, which will lubricate them during the initial startup until the oil pressure builds properly. Given the clingy qualities of STP, I can see how this is probably a good practice. But when I added STP to the oil of my new SIII back in the early '70s, the noise inside the engine was not pleasant to listen to, and it knocked like crazy driving the few blocks home, where I immediately changed the oil before starting the engine again. As soon as I got the STP-laden oil out, the engine went back to it's normal quiet running, and the knocking (pinging, not mechanical knocking) was gone. I didn't bother to analyze why the STP had caused all the racket and pinging; I simply never used it again in an engine. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:19:56 From: "kyle vandyke" Subject: LRO: Re: lurking no more >Hi Kyle > >So having experienced the benefits of the list are out of "lurk mode" now? I'm officially 'out' now. Being a mechanical novice I haven't had much to offer before but after the past year's work I can hopefully help others from a new rover owner/mechanical idiot point of veiw. I've learned alot about rovers by breaking things then figuring out what they do, how they work, and how to fix what I screwed up. I'm trying to avoid the breaking things part these days. Kyle Van Dyke 1971 SIIA 109 Petrol - Guam's only Series Rover 1992 RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:34:07 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote: :Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:33:48 -0500 :From: Jeff Berg :Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine : :>The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine :along with the rest of it. : :Actually, in our part of the world (Pacific Northwest), the marine VHF weather :channels (WX 2,3,4, and 5) are distinctly marine-only broadcasts. They do not :include the "standard" NOAA weather information available on, say, the WX :band on some car radios. Up here, VHF-WX 2 and 3 are western Washington :marine forecasts and current conditions, and 4 and 5 are the same type of :broadcasts but are from Environment Canada and cover the coastal waters of :southern BC. Depending where you are in the US, NOAA weather can be on any of seven WX frequencies. There's a list of all the NOAA stations, including call signs, frequencies, and geographic coverage at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/nwrtrans.htm David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:44:07 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rear Main Seal Replacement Pull the engine unless you don't like yourself. Trying to get the crank and the bearing support back in, all the time fighting gravity would be great fun. I can't imagine anyone willingly trying to to R&R the seal in place except in an utter emergency. FWIW Hardest part is getting the cork 'T' seals on the bearing support. BTW Get Genuine seals, the cork 'T' seals have a bit of plastic that aids in slipping them in and the spring in the oil seal goes together a lot easier with the OEM parts. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust om: "Scott Wickham Jr." >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: RE: Rear Main Seal Replacement >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:04:15 -0400 > > which is the path of least resistance pulling the trans and doing it >in-place or lifting the enging out to do it. > > Pull the tranny. You can seperate the xcase from tranny to be able to >lift yourself or hoist them together. Use the truck as a run up stand >after >you get the seal in and see if it leakes or not when your done. Dental >picks help alot. > >Scooter > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:48:20 From: "kyle vandyke" Subject: LRO: Mounting Sand Rails I've got a pair of sand rails (galvanized steel about 25 lbs each) that I want to mount on the sides of my soft top 109. I was going to get a shop to fabricate some mounts based on pictures of the pink panther rover. My question is do I need some special reinforcement along the sides? Pink Panthers appear to have some type of reinforcement panel running the length of the side (or maybe it's just bulletproofing - not really needed on my rover.) Anyone else have experience mounting similar heavy objects to the rear panels? Thanks, Kyle Van Dyke 1971 SIIA 109 1992 RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:09:48 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: John Cranfield... Actually I do not have the virus I just thought I had and was attemping to warn evryone that I might have passed it on. I then sent a "don't worry" message when I was told that it was a hoax. Sorry for any inconvenience. John and Muddy Matt Peckham wrote: > > you have been infected. You are sending out a virus. It goes under the > heading (FWD:Virus Warning) > > Might want to debug yourself. Deep Windows Off! works best. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:12:00 EDT From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float - --part1_63.16b0567b.284594d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/29/01 3:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, steve@coastaldatasystems.com writes: > . The rod may have been calibrated > > in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes. > > The J3 I learned to fly in wasn't calabrated. When the lack of exposed > wire made you nervious, you landed. Sometimes on the road beside the > filling station :-) > > My Luscombe 8-A, was calibrated in 1/4 ; 1/2; 3/4; and Full. It read via a cork float, and lever with gearset behind a little glass window. The gauge was right behind the pilots head. Much like Perrones' CB. Back then it was "improper" according to the FAA to run auto gas in your 65 "screaming horsepower" wonder. If you were clever though when you put the gas can down at the pump in town, the AVGAS label was toward your tire. When you were pouring it into the plane it was toward the rest of the flight line. Now sadly, it is legal with the right paperwork, and pilots have one less thing to be clever about. All discussion about whether it is clever or not can be tabled for later. Zack - --part1_63.16b0567b.284594d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/29/01 3:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
steve@coastaldatasystems.com writes:


.  The rod may have been calibrated
> in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes.

The J3 I learned to fly in wasn't calabrated. When the lack of exposed
wire made you nervious, you landed. Sometimes on the road beside the
filling station :-)



My Luscombe 8-A, was calibrated in 1/4 ; 1/2;  3/4;  and Full. It read via a
cork float, and lever with gearset behind a little glass window. The gauge
was right behind the pilots head. Much like Perrones' CB.  

Back then it was "improper" according to the FAA to run auto gas in your 65
"screaming horsepower" wonder. If you were clever though when you put the gas
can down at the pump in town, the AVGAS label was toward your tire. When you
were pouring it into the plane it was toward the rest of the flight line. Now
sadly, it is legal with the right paperwork, and pilots have one less thing
to be clever about. All discussion about whether it is clever or not can be
tabled for later.

Zack - --part1_63.16b0567b.284594d0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:45:47 -0700 From: "Paul Quin" Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement I just did this job a few weeks ago. I went the rout of pulling the engine just because I'd never done it before and I wanted to have a good look-see inside. Pulling the engine is really not that difficult. Replacing the seal is strait forward as long as you follow the manual closely. You do not have to remove the crank, just the rear main bearing cap. The spring that goes in the seal must be handled with care. You might want to check the crankshaft end float and maybe order up a set of thrust bearings (maybe oversized if there is play) as the same time. These are cheap and also an easy swap. They fit inside the center bearing. Is your friends 109 a II or IIA? The seal for the SII is different and probably NLA. The SIIA seal will work fine but needs a few extra bits to put it in (two half moon retainers). Hope this helps... Paul Quin 1961 SII 88 Victoria, BC - ----- Original Message ----- > Steve, the engine really should come out as the crank must be pulled to > replace the seal. > -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:06:35 -0600 From: "Todd Kendrick" Subject: LRO: Re: Stray 88" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did it have a Taos county tag ? Sounds like a guy named Frank. He pulled = me over on the road here one day to chat. I will give the guy credit he = has driven the old '60 Series II 88" all over the country; I know he has = been to Florida and back several times. It was redone mechanically = before he purchased and was in decent shape. Saw him again last year = when he was passing thru town. Stay far far away unless you want company = for a few days; you could probably find him at the local bar ! I don't = know about the Ferrari head though ?? Todd Kendrick Taos, NM '66 109" P/U >Does anyone who belongs to a tan SIMI 88" with a front tow bar and = Ferrarri >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair facility = in >Fallon, NV? It has New Mexico plates and though it seems a bit rough = looks >complete and has a great frame. >Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV. >1972 SIII 88" >1968 SIIB 110" FC - ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did it have a Taos county tag ? Sounds like a guy named Frank. He = pulled me=20 over on the road here one day to chat. I will give the guy credit he has = driven=20 the old '60 Series II 88" all over the country; I know he has been to = Florida=20 and back several times. It was redone mechanically before he = purchased  and=20 was in decent shape. Saw him again last year when he was passing thru = town. Stay=20 far far away unless you want company for a few days; you could probably = find him=20 at the local bar ! I don't know about  the Ferrari head though = ??
 
Todd Kendrick
Taos, NM
'66 109" P/U
 
 
>Does=20 anyone who belongs to a tan SIMI 88" with a front tow bar and=20 Ferrarri
>conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto = repair=20 facility in
>Fallon, NV?  It has New Mexico plates and though = it=20 seems a bit rough looks
>complete and has a great = frame.

>Thanks=20 - - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV.
>1972 SIII 88"
>1968 SIIB 110"=20 FC

 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye >after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement and small roads were found to have a lot of astbestos in there lungs, short after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. Jos de Vries Delft, Holland Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:21:28 -0400 From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: no sulpher diesel >So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to cause >valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines. Anyone know? And if >the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes (like hardened >seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc) USE MARVEL MYSTERY OIL........... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:44:40 EDT From: BSharp4601@aol.com Subject: LRO: Militart frame bushings The latest installment of "death by Rover" involves a parabolic spring swap on my late IIa style '71 ex-MOD 109. While removing one of the front frame bushings I noticed that the new OME poly bushes measure approx. 30 mm (OD) while the front stock frame bushing appears to be a larger diameter. The stock bushing had a center sleeve that was thicker than I remember and went all the way through, not two separate frame bushings like my '63 IIa was. The outer sleeve hasn't been removed yet. (In fact, the undercoating is so thick I'm not sure there is an outer bushing sleeve.) Without removing it the ID measurement comes in around 34 or 35 mm. Of course, I already replaced the spring eye bushings with the OME poly bushes. Is this front bushing size unique to MODs or is this a spec change relative to model year? I don't have any reference to it (military) in my shop or parts manual. The Robbers North catalog refers to a bushing change on '71 & later S III 109s, but doesn't elaborate. This vehicle, being a military version, has lots of "interesting" things that differ from civilian vehicles of the same vintage, is this one of them? Am I doomed to stock rubber bushings or can I upgrade to OME polys all the way around? Thanks, Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: 52 Series I 80" 53 Series I 80" 60 Series II 88" 63 Series IIa 88" 71 Series IIa 109" 96 Discovery Series I "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:02:39 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. As mentioned a month ago, one of the locals got a reman exMoD 2.25 engines. I don't remember if I asked at the time: 5 bearing or 3 bearing, are heads and trannies a straight forward switch? I am planning on balancing my lower end. This past weekend went off roading with the 3rd Hawaiin Pete and his Series III 109. He has a balanced 5 bearing. Thing was a real strong puller, could do 55 up steep grades and 70 on the flats. I like the idea of having the 5 bearing lower, but want to ensure that my ACR head and series IIa tranny will bolt up. TIA Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:10:01 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: weird Salisbury leak I noticed while Mrs. Merdle was reduced to new chassis on axles that oil was dripping from the center of the drive flange on my Salisbury. Now that she's operational, there are definitely oil splatters on the chassis and muffler. She's leaking, for sure, but it's not the usual pinion seal leak ( I took care of that w/ a speedi sleeve and new seal a year or two ago). It's now leaking out through the splines. I don't recall this having any sort of felt washer arrangement. Should I pull the drive flange and smear some RTV or some of that cheeze-whiz-esque gasket stuff in the splines and then tighten her back up? Or should I take the easy way out and simply drop the driveshaft and seal the mating surfaces where it meets the diff drive flange? Heh heh . . . Or is my diff over-full? It has been overfull the last few times I've checked it. I think perhaps it was blessed by Elisha and is now actually producing gear oil. I have raised breathers, but, yes, I will check to see if they're clogged. The weird thing is that this leak (apparently) started while she just sat, when internal diff pressure wouldn't have been an issue. yours truly, bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:19:10 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel Marin, diesel exhaust seats are top of the line stuff, 55 - 58% Nickle. Those seats can stand up to Turbo anti-lag engine management settings (retard timing 40+ degrees and turn the fuel up under closed throttle over run, so the fuel burns in the exhaust before the turbo). If you have exhaust temp. like that you have a BIG problem. I have been hearing reports of fuel injection pump ware from low sulfur fuel on Bosch and Specia pumps, so I would use the ad datives in the fuel. Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:45:26 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak > I have raised breathers, but, yes, I will check to see if they're > clogged. The weird thing is that this leak (apparently) started while > she just sat, when internal diff pressure wouldn't have been an issue. What I have always wondered is...what causes this pressure? Is it the heating cooling/expanding contracting thermal dynamics thang? Or is it something to do with petroleum breaking down. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:06:12 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak On Tue, 29 May 2001 05:45:26 -1000 "Hope Peter" writes: > What I have always wondered is...what causes this pressure? > Is it the heating cooling/expanding contracting thermal dynamics > thang? Or > is it something to do with petroleum breaking down. > > Pete My understanding is that the pressure develops as everything warms up and the air inside the diff / swivel ball/ tranny expands. Regular breathers enable the pressure to escape, I guess air makes its way back in as the thing cools. Raised breathers enable a more rapid (and more complete) equalization of pressure, which becomes more important when you wade and thereby rapidly cool your diffs, for instance. Raised breathers are also much less prone to clogging, tho' not completely immune. Ask my friend Travis, who thought he heard weird noises coming from his rear diff and decided to check the oil level in my (heretofore clean--yes, this is foreshadowing) driveway. His oil level was fine, and his raised breather had somehow clogged--he got a facefull of oil, and I got a nice puddle on the driveway. It was pretty funny. bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:23:47 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak On Tue, 29 May 2001, Hope Peter wrote: :> I have raised breathers, but, yes, I will check to see if they're :> clogged. The weird thing is that this leak (apparently) started while :> she just sat, when internal diff pressure wouldn't have been an issue. : : :What I have always wondered is...what causes this pressure? :Is it the heating cooling/expanding contracting thermal dynamics thang? Or :is it something to do with petroleum breaking down. : Heat. Axles get hot, the air in the casing expands, and wants to go somewhere. If the breather is clogged, it'll force oil past a seal. Usually it's the axle seals, at least on Rover axles, but the pinion seal and the gasket between the diff and axle casing can leak because of this too. I had a breather get plugged up, and drove around for a couple of days without it, while it was soaking. I was suprised by the amount of oil that appeared to have been expelled from the hole. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:25:04 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. The heads are the same, even for the 2.5. I'm not sure from your post whether you are planning on buying a 5 main or not. Anyway, the extra power is not in the crank. 5 main and 3 main engines put out the same hp, if every thing else is equal. 'Huli' has/had a 5 main and really couldn't tell the difference, in use, between that engine and a 3 main. Personally, I wouldn't pay a premium for a 5 main engine. If its power you're after and you want to spend the money, get a 2.5 short block. Just be sure the proper flywheel is installed. Assume its the normal flywheel, just metric, but remember getting sent a new flywheel a couple months after the engine arrived. Never asked why, just used it since it was brand spanking new. BTW Starter motors are different for the 5 main engines so if you do go that route, don't forget to order a starter along with the engine. Aloha Peter O >From: "Hope Peter" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "Lro" >Subject: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:02:39 -1000 > >As mentioned a month ago, one of the locals got a reman exMoD 2.25 engines. >I don't remember if I asked at the time: >5 bearing or 3 bearing, are heads and trannies a straight forward switch? >I am planning on balancing my lower end. This past weekend went off >roading >with the 3rd Hawaiin Pete and his Series III 109. He has a balanced 5 >bearing. Thing was a real strong puller, could do 55 up steep grades and >70 >on the flats. I like the idea of having the 5 bearing lower, but want to >ensure that my ACR head and series IIa tranny will bolt up. > >TIA >Pete > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2001 21:38:41 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak On Tue, 29 May 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote: >What I have always wondered is...what >causes this pressure? >Pete Well, it's pretty late here, so I don't want to get too technical........ It's the cumulative effect of 18 squirrels exhaling simultaneously while they work furiously to coordinate the rotational input from the pinion and translate it to the axles in specifically correct torsional force vectors. Where does the air come from originally for them to exhale you ask? Well, from custom fit little scuba tanks, of course. Bryan -16 hours into my work day - just 5 more test scripts to write tonight! 62 88 70 109 "Genie" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:48:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Liftgate Just make sure not to knock said stick out with a careless swing of an armful of toolbox, sending said gate into the back of ones head, knocking face into edge of trunk, dropping toolbox down shin and onto sandel-clad foot. And don't even think of laughing if you witness a close friend or family member doing this. Really. Don't laugh hystericly as your Dad limps about the lawn in a semi-cuncused daze while you roll paralysed in the gravel. I mean it. Don't even try it unless you are some kind of track star, 'cause Dad will catch you and throw you in a stream where you will nearly drown laughing. But it was worth it. (wondering how I ever survived childhood.) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:18:12 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question... Good grief! Do like my Dad did and carry a broom with the end sawed off and wedge it between the bumper and the lift gate to hold it open. >>> Alan_Richer@Lotus.com 05/22/01 01:41PM >>> Sorry, John - didn't realize. Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to remember lids w/only one.... I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out rods that drop into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands latching is so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again. ajr ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:27:38 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. > If its power you're after and you want to spend the money, get a 2.5 short > block. Just be sure the proper flywheel is installed. Assume its the > normal flywheel, just metric, but remember getting sent a new flywheel a > couple months after the engine arrived. Never asked why, just used it since > it was brand spanking new. Not so much power, but was interested in a stronger design. Though I guess a 2.5 would be better then a 2.25 Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:28:46 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak > Well, it's pretty late here, so I don't want to get too technical........ > LOL too funny Bryan. But it's not that late yet, not even 11pm there yet :-) So need any scripting help? Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:37:22 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak Somehow, Brian, I think your answer was tongue in cheek. Long workday, huh!! I'm sure part of the pressure buildup is from heat expansion, also, especially in Mountainous areas like Hawaii, its from altitude pressure differences. Doesn't take much pressure to force the oil out. Aloha Peter >From: Bryan Hoult >Well, it's pretty late here, so I don't want to get too technical........ > >It's the cumulative effect of 18 squirrels exhaling simultaneously while >they work furiously to coordinate the rotational input from the pinion and >translate it to the axles in specifically correct torsional force vectors. >Where does the air come from originally for them to exhale you ask? Well, >from custom fit little scuba tanks, of course. > >Bryan -16 hours into my work day - just 5 more test scripts to write >tonight! >62 88 >70 109 "Genie" > > > > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:05:24 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. The bottom ends of the 2 1/4 are pretty stout. Never heard of any problems with the 3 main. I'd just rebuild your engine. You wouldn't be gaining that much with a 5 main unless you plan on spinning it above 5,000 rpm continuously. Go for the 2.5 if you feel you have to have a 5 main engine. Aloha Peter >From: "Hope Peter" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:27:38 -1000 > > > If its power you're after and you want to spend the money, get a 2.5 >short > > block. Just be sure the proper flywheel is installed. Assume its the > > normal flywheel, just metric, but remember getting sent a new flywheel a > > couple months after the engine arrived. Never asked why, just used it >since > > it was brand spanking new. > >Not so much power, but was interested in a stronger design. Though I guess >a 2.5 would be better then a 2.25 >Pete > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:51:49 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: Re: LRO: Scottish All Rover Weekend.. On Tuesday 29 May 2001 20:57, you wrote: > Ian Stuart wrote: > >Cole Strange(?), with his wife Victoria, make it from Kettering - > > and a few parts-folks made it - but I only saw 2 CD's - mine and > > Peter E's. > > That'll be Cole Stage - a local chap who got posted to the UK for two > years or so. He's got a real nice 109 ambulance with a Mercruiser > engine conversion. Not sure if he took it with him back to the > UK.... That's the lad! Left his US collection behind... Now has an SIII pink panther (less most of the interesting bits), a Stage1 V8, and a DeerHound - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - EDINA, DataLibrary, University computing services. - --------------------------------- A man depriving some village, somewhere, of a first-class idiot - --------------------------------- http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:48:00 +0200 From: Thorsten Klein Subject: Re: LRO: lashing cleats "Coates, Clinton" schrieb: > > In Sheppard's VDE Guide, there is a good section on lashing and loading. On > page 4.2-33, > More interesting, however, is a rear interior shot of a blue 90 with super > nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" square > chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in > place. It is Sheppard's own Ninety, so they are probably custom made for him. Also his redesigned dashboard is really good. > Anyone know how to get ahold of Sheppard? Anyone? No, sorry If you should find a source for this lashing points, please let me know. Another neat lashing device i am considering to install is available at http//parts.grade.de/ There you have to click on Aircraft-Zurrschienen. Hope this helps, Thorsten Thorsten Klein Mainz, Germany kleit001@mail.uni-mainz.de SIII Lightweight (with the original lashing cleats) Defender 110 Tdi HT (no lashing cleats) ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #390 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Wed May 30 17:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4ULr4N27945 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 17:53:04 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4UKoi002148 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 30 May 2001 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4UKodW02145 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 16:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19608 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 16:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4UKdut01778 for lro-gone; Wed, 30 May 2001 16:39:56 -0400 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4UKdq601774 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 16:39:52 -0400 Received: from p62s07a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.151.99] helo=master) by sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 155Cki-0004A7-00 for lro-digest@works.team.net; Wed, 30 May 2001 21:39:37 +0100 Message-ID: <006801c0e948$7dbf9ac0$2a6464c3@master> From: "Mike Rogers" To: "LRO List" Subject: LRO: Re-lashing cleats Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:37:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi >>>>nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" square chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in place. Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes.!). I have heard rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue. Anyone know where to get them<<<< SSSSSHHH don't shout about these things. These latest British MOD Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns are still on the secret list and subject to official secrets act (subsection 223b "Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns" restrictions). This post has already lead to the start of an SIB investigation to see how information on this new innovation has become public knowledge. Beware a "FART" (Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns) investigation team may be on its way, Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Wed May 30 21:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4V1kJN28451 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:19 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4V0i1V06576 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 30 May 2001 20:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4V0i0W06573 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 20:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06565 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 20:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4UNo9t05350 for lro-digest-gone; Wed, 30 May 2001 19:50:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200105302350.f4UNo9t05350@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #391 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Wednesday, May 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 391 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:56:39 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil I'm guessing that it wasn't filmed in the UK then (.ca on your email address). On 29 May 2001, at 15:53, Easton Trevor A wrote: > Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when > Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid a > day for three days on that junket. > - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk http://www.solwise.co.uk http://www.asuscom.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:00:02 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel I don't know about the valve situation but, in deference to the poor injector pump, several UK users (myself included) chuck a cup of clean engine oil in each time they fill up with derv. On 29 May 2001, at 14:01, Faure, Marin wrote: > I'm curious if the owners of > 2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the > sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out? > So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to > cause valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines. Anyone know? > And if the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes > (like hardened seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc) Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:42:11 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil Also got to drive a 427 Cobra camera car, an eighteen year olds dream. Maybe it was your friend who was in that car > Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when > Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five > quid > a day for three days on that junket. > > > >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars > > >before and during filming. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:15:58 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Grand Prix Filmed at Brands Hatch actually. I was still in England then moved to Canada 10 years later. And yes it was Grand Prix not LeMans in which I 'starred'. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mace [SMTP:steve@solwise.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:57 AM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil > > I'm guessing that it wasn't filmed in the UK then (.ca on your email > address). > > ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:07:31 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Liftgate Exactly. >>> robert_ries09459@yahoo.com 05/30/01 12:48AM >>> Just make sure not to knock said stick out with a careless swing of an armful of toolbox, sending said gate into the back of ones head, knocking face into edge of trunk, dropping toolbox down shin and onto sandel-clad foot. And don't even think of laughing if you witness a close friend or family member doing this. Really. Don't laugh hystericly as your Dad limps about the lawn in a semi-cuncused daze while you roll paralysed in the gravel. I mean it. Don't even try it unless you are some kind of track star, 'cause Dad will catch you and throw you in a stream where you will nearly drown laughing. But it was worth it. (wondering how I ever survived childhood.) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:18:12 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question... Good grief! Do like my Dad did and carry a broom with the end sawed off and wedge it between the bumper and the lift gate to hold it open. >>> Alan_Richer@Lotus.com 05/22/01 01:41PM >>> Sorry, John - didn't realize. Dumb question - are you sure it had 2 prop rods? Somewhere I seem to remember lids w/only one.... I like the design on Miss Jessica - instead of the swing-out rods that drop into forks it has sliding barss that latch in tracks. No-hands latching is so nice - if a bit awkward to drop down again. ajr ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:37:09 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: RE: LRO: John Cranfield... it had an attachment, so I deleted it. And I got a similar message in the same format from someone else. - -----Original Message----- From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca [mailto:john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:10 PM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: Re: LRO: John Cranfield... Actually I do not have the virus I just thought I had and was attemping to warn evryone that I might have passed it on. I then sent a "don't worry" message when I was told that it was a hoax. Sorry for any inconvenience. John and Muddy Matt Peckham wrote: > > you have been infected. You are sending out a virus. It goes under the > heading (FWD:Virus Warning) > > Might want to debug yourself. Deep Windows Off! works best. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:59:51 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: LRO: pictures of exhaust hangers? I'm fabricating some new exhaust hanger brackets for Basil, as the originals have long since rusted away. Does anyone have any photos of the ones in the rear that I can use for a guide? I've got a couple of ideas, but I'd prefer to recreate the Rover version if possible. Any good shots of the rear of the frame (88 if that makes a difference) would be helpful. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:42:13 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. >5 bearing or 3 bearing, are heads and trannies a straight forward switch? Yep. Basically the Factory wanted to add a turbo to the deisel version of the engine and the 3 main bottom end was not strong enough. So they reworked the bottom of the block to make it a five bearing engine. Of course this means that you can build a turbo version of the five main petrol engine as well 8*) The heads are intercangable among the IIA, and III engines. If you go to purchase a new head for IIA engine today chances are you will be sold a 2.5L head and a metric stud kit. >ensure that my ACR head and series IIa tranny will bolt up. There should be no problem. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:40:18 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: LRO: RE: pictures of exhaust hangers? Not sure if there are any shots of mine, but you can check at www.crossmember.com. I had my cat back replaced before the Fall Heritage Rally, so look at those photos. I believe they just tacked some strips of metal to the exhaust, then bolted them to the tub at the wheelwell, with a rubber bumper to stop vibration. very simple, and man is it ever quiet. Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Tanner [mailto:keith@miata.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:00 AM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: LRO: pictures of exhaust hangers? I'm fabricating some new exhaust hanger brackets for Basil, as the originals have long since rusted away. Does anyone have any photos of the ones in the rear that I can use for a guide? I've got a couple of ideas, but I'd prefer to recreate the Rover version if possible. Any good shots of the rear of the frame (88 if that makes a difference) would be helpful. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:48:00 GMT From: mstockdale@mho.net Subject: LRO: Wheel Cylinder Sizes Hello All; I was fixing a rear brake wheel cylinder the other day and found that I was out of replacement seals. I try to keep a few around for rebuilds. I looked through my box of old parts that I can't seem to throw away and dug out 8 old wheel cylinders and noticed that the 4 iron ones that came in the box of spares 12 years ago were different than the 4 aluminum ones I replaced 10 years ago. When I replaced the 4 AL ones I did so with 4 new AL ones from Atl. Brit. My question is this. What size cylinder should be used at which wheel on a SII 88"? I have been using 1" AL ones since I have owned the Rover. Is there supposed to be 1.25" cylinders in the front and 1" in the rear? I never really have had any problem with having 1" cylinders all around, but maybe its because thats what has always been on and I don't have a referance point for any other arangements. I also suspect that the snails I replaced 10 years ago where smaller that the originals, but replaced them anyway. Can anyone give me the dimensions of what a snail cam should be. Just the major radius is all thats really necessary. Hurricane Mitch and the Red Dinosaur - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using MHO WebMail. http://www.mho.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:50:26 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re: weird Salisbury leak >> I have raised breathers, but, yes, I will check to see if they're >> clogged. The weird thing is that this leak (apparently) started while >> she just sat, when internal diff pressure wouldn't have been an issue. >What I have always wondered is...what causes this pressure? >Is it the heating cooling/expanding contracting thermal dynamics thang? Or >is it something to do with petroleum breaking down. It has something to do with what an English chemist named Boyle came up with when thinking about gas pressure, volume and temperature. It's in the law books. And who knows there may be a petroleum fractional distillation thing going on as well. Better living through chemistry TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 01 07:51:56 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover 5 bearing engines. >Not so much power, but was interested in a stronger design. Though I guess >a 2.5 would be better then a 2.25 Yes, it even comes from the factory with a spin on filter adaptor 8*) TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:18:22 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Wheel Cylinder Sizes Mitch, 1.25 to the front and 1" to the rear is correct - the 88 front cylinders are the same as 109 rears, which is how I keep it straight. I will admit though that I have seen your trick done more than once, as well as swap back-to-front.... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:24:10 -0500 From: "Garrick Olsen" Subject: LRO: REAR MAIN SEAL PANIC The project that will not end. I pulled the motor to replace the rear main seal. The replacement was a IIa set up, so needed the retainer... then the timing chain and the bloody front cover and,well... There was mention of the cork "T" pieces for the rear seal set up in a digest entry I got today. WHAT the HELL are they for? I replaced the black "t" 's along the side of the heavy metal below the rear crank. I have leftover cork looking "T" 's!!!! Of course, I have everything back together now and am just waiting for a day to rent the lift for the third time. I thought the cork was just a IIa vs II thing and did not look too hard for the old ones. DO I NEED TO TAKE IT ALL APART AGAIN???? - -Rik in Minnesota 1960 Ser II SWB SW _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:48:27 -0500 From: "Smokey Briggs" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: PTO praise Considering the amount of jury rigging you might think Gannet's accountants had a hand in it, but no, we're just a small daily in a small family-owned chain. Much better quality of life than working for the big boys. And hey, the fun is in the rigging. Best to all, Smokey Briggs Pecos, Texas - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Elson To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:42 AM Subject: LRO: Re: PTO praise > not owned by Gannet are you Smokey? > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Smokey Briggs > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:58 PM > Subject: LRO: PTO praise > > > > You never know when a PTO winch is going to save the day. > > > > You take a lot of grief owning an unairconditioned vehicle that tops out > at > > 50 in West Texas. I publish the newspaper here in Pecos. This morning we > got > > a special shipment of paper in. Paper comes in 1,000 pound rolls, 27 > inches > > wide. Our shipments are supposed to be shipped rolling, since we do not > have > > the equipment to move it when it is laid down flat. Well, this 24 roll > > shipment came on the flats. You just cannot pick one of these up and set > it > > on end, no matter how many people you have, and its not safe to try. > > > > Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig > > winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and > > presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of > > money today. > > > > All the best from West Texas > > Smokey Briggs > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:00:18 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye Marin Faure wrote: >>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those instances where people are actually working with the material. But the hysteria over asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and clutch linings which are machine-made. If the manufacturing facility is set up properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within safe limits. I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's just a greasy rock. Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots. Asbestos is a very useful material. Like nuclear power, the trick is to work with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear. When they took asbestos out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, but it created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:51:03 -0400 From: "Sergi, Michael" Subject: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge I am trying to repair my dual Smiths oil pressure/temperature gauge. The oil pressure works fine but the temperature gauge won't budge. So, I have completely disassembled it and have found the only thing that can't be working is the temperature sender from the engine. To me it looks like the sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle. I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line. Anyway, it looks like at the end of the sender there is a small hole which has been soldered over. It looks like this is the fill hole for the liquid. Is it possible to drill this out, refill and solder closed. If so, what is the liquid inside. Alcohol, maybe? If not, does anyone know where to get a temperature sender, or a complete gauge at a reasonable price? Mike 64 SIIA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:19:46 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Wheel Cylinder Sizes 88 Wheel Cyl's Front - 1.25" Rear - 1.0" Don't have the cam dim's JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:21:51 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge My understanding (and I use that word with a bit of caution) is that the substance in there is a salt of some sort. The tube on mine broke off right at the sender and that's what I found. But the expansion with temperature still holds true as you thought. I don't believe this is a do-it-yourself fix. Check with Palo Alto Speedometer, I've had great luck with them and they can at least tell you what you are up against here. Or they can do the repair if you wish - probably much cheaper than replacement I would assume. I don't know if they have any web presence but they can be reached at 650-323-0243. Usual disclaimers of course. Hope that helps. Rich Williams '60 SII 109sw "Lucy" > I am trying to repair my dual Smiths oil pressure/temperature gauge. The > oil pressure works fine but the temperature gauge won't budge. So, I have > completely disassembled it and have found the only thing that can't be > working is the temperature sender from the engine. To me it looks like the > sender is filled with liquid and a tube connects it to the gauge. The > liquid must expand during heating creating pressure which moves the needle. > I guess the liquid in mine has leaked out or has air in the line. Anyway, > it looks like at the end of the sender there is a small hole which has been > soldered over. It looks like this is the fill hole for the liquid. Is it > possible to drill this out, refill and solder closed. If so, what is the > liquid inside. Alcohol, maybe? If not, does anyone know where to get a > temperature sender, or a complete gauge at a reasonable price? > > Mike > 64 SIIA > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:15 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge A very similar gauge can be had out of MGs of the same period - I've used them from MG Midgets with good results. That's not alcohol in there, BTW, it's Ether! be DAMN careful with heat or flame as that stuff is most flammable. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:47:49 -0400 From: "Ted Treanor" Subject: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) What about the poor mechanic taking off a brake drum filled with 40,000 miles worth of asbestos brake dust? On any brake assembly that needs a few whacks to loosen the drum, a cloud of brake dust fills the air. Do you know anyone that wear a respirator while doing a brake job? The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead to the pads? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On Behalf Of Faure, Marin Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:00 PM To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye Marin Faure wrote: >>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those instances where people are actually working with the material. But the hysteria over asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and clutch linings which are machine-made. If the manufacturing facility is set up properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within safe limits. I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's just a greasy rock. Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots. Asbestos is a very useful material. Like nuclear power, the trick is to work with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear. When they took asbestos out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, but it created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:15:05 -0400 From: Gerald Subject: Re: LRO: Smiths Oil/Temp Gauge Are you sure Al? I think ether breaks down into something even more explosive. On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:15 -0400, you wrote: . . . . >That's not alcohol in there, BTW, it's Ether! be DAMN careful with heat or >flame as that stuff is most flammable. > > ajr - -- Gerald ggg@mediaone.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:40:03 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) No LR related but here's a good one. My folks recently had one of their bathroom floors replaced recently due to water damage. The house was built in 1980 which is around the same time that asbestos use was banned in residential flooring. Yet there was still quite a lot of asbestos-laden flooring in the supply chain through the very early eighties. Anyway, some poor laborer took a power saw to the flooring and unknowingly filled the house with asbestos dust (as well as his lungs - yikes!). That night I was laying on the floor looking down into the framing to inspect the damage (I've built several homes in the past and was keeping an "eye" on things for my parents). When I stood up from the prone position I looked at one of the floor scraps laying about and thought it looked suspicious. The test is to bend the flooring. If you take a corner and bend it up and it easily flexes, no problem. But if you bend it over and it snaps and breaks as if it were brittle then it is likely positive for asbestos. I immediately had it tested and sure enough - loads of the junk. And I was white with dust from laying on the floor - so who knows what will happen in the future. And how many old bathroom floors does this other guy saw up in an average year, not knowing anything about what he is cutting into?? $55,000 later the insurance company (who recommended the contractor who did the bathroom repair) had the house cleaned up. But that still left carpet with a lot of asbestos so that had to be replaced at an additional cost of many thousands of dollars. The contractor immediately filed for bankruptcy protection and left town. Apparently, with several of the insurance company's jobs in a similar state of chaos with asbestos problems and the like. And so life goes on.... Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Treanor To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: LRO: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > What about the poor mechanic taking off a brake drum filled with 40,000 > miles worth of asbestos brake dust? On any brake assembly that needs a few > whacks to loosen the drum, a cloud of brake dust fills the air. Do you know > anyone that wear a respirator while doing a brake job? > > The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead to > the pads? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > Behalf Of Faure, Marin > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:00 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: LRO: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:20:47 +0200 > From: jos de vries > Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye > > Marin Faure wrote: > >>after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining. > > >In Holland the workmen working on the laying of the tiles for the pavement > and small roads were found to have a lot of asbestos in there lungs, short > after there backs were broken at 40 they developed lungcancer. The > asbestoslevel is high in the filling in sand between the tiles. > > I can understand the need to eliminate asbestos exposure in those instances > where people are actually working with the material. But the hysteria over > asbestos is, I think, misplaced when it comes to things like brake and > clutch > linings which are machine-made. If the manufacturing facility is set up > properly, human exposure to the material can be eliminated or kept within > safe limits. I've seen asbestos when it comes out of the ground- it's just > a > greasy rock. Anything can be bad for you, even too many carrots. > Asbestos is a very useful material. Like nuclear power, the trick is to > work > with it intelligently, not simply ban it out of fear. When they took > asbestos > out of brake and clutch lining material, I doubt it saved anyone's life, but > it > created new and expensive problems with brakes and clutches. > > _________________________________________ > C. Marin Faure > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > telephone (425)393-7721 > mobile (206)650-5622 > fax: (425)393-7741 > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:36:03 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Asbestos (was tuning by eye) > The pencil lead idea sounds interesting. How/where do you apply the lead > to > the pads? > Not sure if it works for disc brake pads but for brake shoes you put plugs of 2B pencil lead (Graphite) in the leading edge of the shoe. I use 2mm clutch pencil leads. Just drill a 1.99mm hole in the lining a break opff a piece of lead in each hole. Two rows of holes, staggered to cover most of the width seems to do the trick. This was a Rolls-Royce recommended procedure on drum brakes. The graphite lubricates the lining enough to prevent the stick/slip that causes squealing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:37:30 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: very slight LR content > As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the title > of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:11 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: very slight LR content Easton Trevor A writes: > > As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the title > > of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs > > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802 And the above mentioned article states: ..."The problem is that the keywords include vague terms including "ll-series", "daddo" and "neighbor". Anyone who has an innocent image file with this text in its name will be reported to the authorities"... Well what if I take a jpeg image of my "neighbor" who is cutting a "daddo" into a board on a table saw powered by the PTO on his "ll-series" Land Rover? Should I email that image directly to Interpol, Scotland Yard and the FBI? What if it was a hot day out and the neighbor was wearing only shorts, would there be a disproportionate amount of skin in the image? And because of the image content I would obviously name this file neighbordaddoll-series.jpg. I think I have too much time on my hands. Off to shoot some images for the authorities..... Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:12:25 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Weird Salisbury leak (again) All this talk of the rationale behind breathers has really been fascinating, but my main question seems to have become lost amongst it, so I'll just ask again (but be a lot briefer this time 'round): Anyone ever experience a leak at the front of the diff that is NOT a leaky pinion seal? My Salisbury's leaking from where the nut holds the flange to the pinion--like the oil's making its way out the splines. I don't remember it having a felt washer in there. Anyone have any suggestions for staunching this flow? Would it work at all to pull the flange and put some sort of sealant on the splines? My hunch is that it wouldn't since whatever I put in there would doubtlessly be destroyed quickly by the forces on the splines. Other thoughts? bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:37:25 +0100 From: "Mike Rogers" Subject: LRO: Re-lashing cleats >>>>nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" square chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in place. Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes.!). I have heard rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue. Anyone know where to get them<<<< SSSSSHHH don't shout about these things. These latest British MOD Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns are still on the secret list and subject to official secrets act (subsection 223b "Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns" restrictions). This post has already lead to the start of an SIB investigation to see how information on this new innovation has become public knowledge. Beware a "FART" (Flush Aluminium Retaining Tiedowns) investigation team may be on its way, Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:05:32 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float >My Luscombe 8-A, was calibrated in 1/4 ; 1/2; 3/4; and Full. It read via a >cork float, and lever with gearset behind a little glass window. The gauge >was right behind the pilots head. Much like Perrones' CB. >Back then it was "improper" according to the FAA to run auto gas in your 65 >"screaming horsepower" wonder. If you were clever though when you put the gas >can down at the pump in town, the AVGAS label was toward your tire. When you >were pouring it into the plane it was toward the rest of the flight line. Now >sadly, it is legal with the right paperwork, and pilots have one less thing >to be clever about. All discussion about whether it is clever or not can be >tabled for later. An 8-A was the second plane I flew, my dad rebuilt two, a rag wing and a metal wing. Sold the rag wing to pay for the metal wing. He sold the J3 to buy the two wrecked 8-As. As I recall, there was a "rear-view" mirror above the wind screen that showed the fuel gauge. If you looked directly at the fuel gauge, the printing was backwards so you could read it correctly in the mirror. Getting pretty close to British engineering if you ask me :-) The 8-A was also where I became one of those "who had". Fortunately just pride, one wingtip, and one prop. Of course it was while everyone at MEB was watching! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:17:34 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: very slight LR content Easton Trevor A wrote: > > > As one will see from the article having the words "II-series" in the title > > of a jpeg may get you reported to the FBI. Another new hazard for LROs > > http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999802 Better be a pretty smart virous to navagate this Solaris file system. But if so, I can assure you it will find jpgs with series-II in the title :-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:00:21 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: lurking no more Kyle writes: >>>I've learned alot about > rovers by breaking things then figuring out what they do, how they work, and > how to fix what I screwed up. <<< yep, that's the school I went to as well :-)> Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:50:00 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Tuning by eye Marin writes: >>>Actually, I DO extract the lead cores from No. 2 pencils, but it's for our Range Rover, > to keep the brake pads from squealing. Works like a charm. Not > my idea, but "stolen" from a Rolls Royce mechanic I used to know. It's how he > (and other Rolls Royce shops) stopped the brakes on the cars they service from > squealing after the idiot government had the asbestos removed from brake lining.<<< my 'first' father-in-law worked at the Rolls factory in Crewe and, on one of my infrequent visits I saw a bunch of apprentices cutting up pencils. When I asked and was told what they were doing I asked if there wasn't another way. The guy I was talking to said there wasn't so I wondered aloud why no-one had contacted a pencil manufacturer to find out where they got their graphite from to put in the pencils. There was an embarrassed silence but I leaned later that they had gone ahead and done just that! BTW last week I went to the Bolton Steam Museum, full of really old, big, engines that used to power the old cotton mills in the 19th Century ( a rough job mine, but someone has to do it). In a corner was a generator and board built by Royce in the days before he met Rolls. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:34:20 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) and with Fiat owning Ferrari... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Treanor To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) > I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion: Right > now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979 > Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;) > > Ted Treanor > 1962 88" SW > Trumbull, CT > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > Behalf Of RON WARD > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? > > > Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion > > >>> forbesn@hotmail.com 05/29/01 11:42AM >>> > Ferrarri > >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair > > eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? > > Niall Forbes > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm > > "See the happy moron, > He doesn't give a damn. > I wish I were a moron. > My God! Perhaps I am!" > --author unknown > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:03:18 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Mounting Sand Rails The one vehicle I have seen that had the rails mounted like that only had one on when I got there. The other side had been ripped out on a tree... Pink Panthers don't find too many trees in the desert... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: kyle vandyke To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: LRO: Mounting Sand Rails > > > I've got a pair of sand rails (galvanized steel about 25 lbs each) that I > want to mount on the sides of my soft top 109. I was going to get a shop to > fabricate some mounts based on pictures of the pink panther rover. My > question is do I need some special reinforcement along the sides? Pink > Panthers appear to have some type of reinforcement panel running the length > of the side (or maybe it's just bulletproofing - not really needed on my > rover.) Anyone else have experience mounting similar heavy objects to the > rear panels? > Thanks, > Kyle Van Dyke > 1971 SIIA 109 > 1992 RR > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:47:36 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) Fiat, Fix it again Tony! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Elson" To: Sent: 30 May, 2001 04:34 PM Subject: LRO: Re: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) > and with Fiat owning Ferrari... > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Treanor > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) > > > > I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion: Right > > now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979 > > Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;) > > > > Ted Treanor > > 1962 88" SW > > Trumbull, CT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > > Behalf Of RON WARD > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM > > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > > Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? > > > > > > Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion > > > > >>> forbesn@hotmail.com 05/29/01 11:42AM >>> > > Ferrarri > > >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair > > > > eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? > > > > Niall Forbes > > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit > > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm > > > > "See the happy moron, > > He doesn't give a damn. > > I wish I were a moron. > > My God! Perhaps I am!" > > --author unknown > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #391 **********************************************