From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 09:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TD3IN22086 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 09:03:18 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TC0uM14253 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TC0uW14250 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06376 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TBiko05990 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 07:44:46 -0400 Received: from ccii.co.za (alpha.ccii.co.za [66.8.24.68]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TBig605986 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 07:44:42 -0400 Received: from ricebox (retro@io.ccii.co.za [66.8.24.69]) by ccii.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA09708 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:41:32 -0200 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:41:32 -0200 Message-Id: <200105291541.NAA09708@ccii.co.za> X-Sender: wrm@alpha.ccii.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal) Subject: LRO: Looking for Pete Cosmides Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi #delurk Hi all Looking for Pete Cosmides. Anybody know if he still lives in NJ? Wouter #lurk From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 13:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4THD3N22682 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:13:04 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TGAgo21157 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 12:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TGAgW21154 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 12:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27782 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 12:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TEscs08542 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:54:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:54:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200105291454.f4TEscs08542@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #388 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, May 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 388 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:47:51 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good >I wonder what the odds are for one who would endure 3800 kms in a series >rover over 5 days, with average breakdown times of every hour... I think Dierdre is the only one. She's a keeper. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:57:32 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny rebuild opinions sought > > Genuine parts aren't necessarily any better than non-genuine. It might > be worth using them for things like gears and shafts, just for the piece > of mind, but for bearings and seals, get them locally. > I ordered my gears from LR Supermarket in the UK. They gave me the choice of genuine parts or aftermarket (AllMakes I think) I went aftermarket. First time driving the truck off road, the first gear snapped in half. Second time I ordered all genuine gears. The next time I build a tranny I will use genuine gears. It could have just been a fluke, maybe I did something wrong pressing the gear on, or maybe it was a bad part, I don't know. I will always order stuff like this from the UK though. All the gears and bearings for the tranny weigh about 20 pounds. With shipping and handling I still saved over 30% from getting the parts from dealers in the states. Pete ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2001 11:18:54 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny rebuild opinions sought On Sat, 26 May 2001, "Rich & Lori Williams" wrote: >Because this task exceeds my >abilities, I have two choices in this >matter and would like everyone's >opinion. I had the same quandary last summer, and as you may remember, I opted to have someone rebuild it because of my schedule. I was working on the engine rebuild at the time, and wanted to get the truck on the road sometime this decade. Anyway, I think you can do it with the assistance of the workshop manual. Bryan 62 88 70 109 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:26:26 -0400 From: "Hank Rutherford" Subject: LRO: Rollover Bar for sale Due to changes in the direction of an ongoing project vehicle, I am selling a Betaweld swb rollover bar, purchased from Atlantic British this past year. I will be attending the R.O.V.E.R.S. trials in Pa. as well as The Birthday Party at Silver Lake, Ontario, and can deliver it to either location. Interested parties can contact me offline. Hank Rutherford Ruthrfrd@borg.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:22:36 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Land Rover Exhaust Pop Going down hill, tranny in third, foot off gas, going about 30mph (5 over speed limit). As the hill steepens and the compression starts to kick in more, I start getting a popping in the exhaust. Is this timing advance to much? It started after I installed the pertronics, and I am still a bit to far advanced, slight ping coming back up same hill. TIA Pete ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2001 13:47:06 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover Exhaust Pop On Sun, 27 May 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote: > Going down hill, tranny in third, >foot off gas, going about 30mph (5 over >speed limit). As the hill steepens >and the compression starts to kick in >more, I start getting a popping in the >exhaust. Pete, I had the same problem with my pertronix install. Back the timing off, especially until the ping stops. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:42:42 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal Bryan writes: >>>There are two trannies still down there someone will have to help me with :-).<<< two old fan belts, one round each end, scaffold pipe through them, both bend down, get pipe on shoulders. Works for us... but not until my back repairs. Tranny is a two man job when you're well... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2001 15:44:07 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Strong back was Transmission Removal Frank, That's a good idea. I especially like it for its incorporation of the fan belts. I have a stockpile of used drive belts I can't seem to just throw out. I used to replace them based on hours of usage in our refer facility. I sold out of that business 4 years ago and I still have spare parts only applicable to custom applications built for our plants! I wonder if being a pack rat is part of being a roverphile. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" On Sun, 27 May 2001, "Frank Elson" wrote: > > Bryan writes: >>>There are two trannies still down there someone will have > to help me with :-).<<< > > two old fan belts, one round each end, scaffold pipe through them, both bend > down, get pipe on shoulders. Works for us... but not until my back repairs. > Tranny is a two man job when you're well... > > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:42:59 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good David Scheidt wrote: > > On 26 May 2001, Bryan Hoult wrote: > > :I've got good news and bad news. The good news is she was smiling at > :you. 96% of the females on the planet don't give a rat's hairy bum for > :series trucks. That's the bad news. > > I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as > chick magnents, particularly soft tops. Works at least until they notice > the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening. > Large Collie in the back makes up for the above shortcomings :-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:51:36 -0400 From: "Martin Rothman" Subject: Re: LRO: need phone number... Kevin Willey's number is: 825-0603 Regards, Martin Rothman _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:38:12 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: LRO: Scottish All Rover Weekend.. Sitting here, at work, suffering from sunburn! An absolutely *superb* weekend ~50 landrovers (which was almost the same number as all the rest of the entrants put together). The Saturday was either a social gathering, or an observational run. The Satuday evening was a meal out, followed by a quiz (our team, The Virginians Also [see below] won - yipee). The quiz was in 7 parts: 6 catagories of questions (5 per catagory), plus 7 montages of vehicles, and you had to identify the vehicle. Sunday was the car show, which included a simple driving competition.. The number of entrants from south of the border was .... disappointing. Cole Strange(?), with his wife Victoria, make it from Kettering - and a few parts-folks made it - but I only saw 2 CD's - mine and Peter E's. Cole is well know in some Land Rover circles (mainly the US area) as the man who welded a dumb-iron back on with welding-sticks, two sets of jump leads and two 12V Land Rover batteries! Team "The Virginians Also" was myself and my wife (Krissie), Cole & Victoria, plus Paul Atkinson and hios wife, from Atkinson Restorations. - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - EDINA, DataLibrary, University computing services. - --------------------------------- A man depriving some village, somewhere, of a first-class idiot - --------------------------------- http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 07:41:44 -0400 From: Ian Harper/ Donna-Claire McLeod Subject: LRO: Spring Bolts - --------------D083186EE75265C04655C0DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick query before I get the hammer out...Are the bolts that got through the FRONT of the REAR springs threaded into the chassis attachment point or not? I know the ones at the back are threaded into the shackle, but I can't remember if these are or not. BTW it's on a 74 S3 SWB... Cheers, Ian - -- Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast 106 Cobourg Street, Stratford, Ontario N5A 3E6 Phone(519) 273-7771 Fax (519) 273-3993 [Image] http://home.golden.net/~tantramar - --------------D083186EE75265C04655C0DA Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------FF5CB24E1935EF90EB60F5F8" - --------------FF5CB24E1935EF90EB60F5F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick query before I get the hammer out...Are the bolts that got through the FRONT of the REAR springs threaded into the chassis attachment point or not?  I know the ones at the back are threaded into the shackle, but I can't remember if these are or not.

BTW it's on a 74 S3 SWB...

Cheers, Ian
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Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod

Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
106 Cobourg Street,
Stratford, Ontario N5A 3E6
Phone(519) 273-7771 Fax (519) 273-3993

http://home.golden.net/~tantramar

 
 
 
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RE: Spring Bolts So far as I can remember, yes they are. The 'Green Bible" doesn't help, it say the rears are screwed into the shackle plates but just says remove the fronts and the part numbers are different for the two pins. I would try to unscrew it and if it just rotates but doesn't come out then it's "hammer time" . Of course this is making the assumption that it rotates at all after nearly 30 years in place!!! You missed some fine mud yesterday. 18 vehicles out 15 LR, 1 Xterra, 1 Lada Niva, 1 Jeep. Plenty of spare seats. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Harper/ Donna-Claire McLeod [SMTP:tantramar@golden.net] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:42 AM > To: LRO Digest > Subject: LRO: Spring Bolts > > Just a quick query before I get the hammer out...Are the bolts that got > through the FRONT of the REAR springs threaded into the chassis > attachment point or not? I know the ones at the back are threaded into > the shackle, but I can't remember if these are or not. > > BTW it's on a 74 S3 SWB... > > Cheers, Ian > -- > > Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod > > Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast > 106 Cobourg Street, > Stratford, Ontario N5A 3E6 > Phone(519) 273-7771 Fax (519) 273-3993 > > [Image] > > http://home.golden.net/~tantramar > > > > << Message: Untitled Attachment >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:09:55 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover Exhaust Pop Timing may be off but I would lay long odds you have an exhaust manifold leak. Seen this one myself many times - usually when the downpipe loosens up off the manifold. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:13:15 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: Re: LRO: Spring Bolts On Monday 28 May 2001 12:41, you wrote: > Just a quick query before I get the hammer out...Are the bolts that > got through the FRONT of the REAR springs threaded into the chassis > attachment point or not? I know the ones at the back are threaded > into the shackle, but I can't remember if these are or not. If I remember right, all the spring bolts thread into the shakle-plates, and are conter-locked by the nuts on the end of the bolt. HOWEVER, the bolts that hold the spring into the chassis frame (ie, the leading end for all SII & SIII) have longer shanks, and only the nut is theaded - not the chassis - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - EDINA, DataLibrary, University computing services. - --------------------------------- A man depriving some village, somewhere, of a first-class idiot - --------------------------------- http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:11:28 -0700 From: "Paul Quin" Subject: LRO: Re: Brakes !!!!!!!!!! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E756.2DAEAD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem Dave, glad to help! Question: Did you take the plates off to weld them or did you manage to = do them on the truck? I've still got to weld up my rear posts and = removing the plates is such a chore... Paul. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Landrover88@aol.com=20 To: lro@works.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: LRO: Brakes !!!!!!!!!! Paul:=20 Bingo Welded the posts last night and Now have great brakes. Thank = You for=20 your input.=20 Dave Walls=20 1965 IIa 88=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E756.2DAEAD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problem Dave, glad to help!
 
Question:  Did you take the plates off to weld = them or=20 did you manage to do them on the truck?  I've still got to weld up = my rear=20 posts and removing the plates is such a chore...
 
Paul.
 
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Paul: =


Bingo=20  Welded the posts last night and Now have great brakes. Thank You = for=20
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Dave Walls
1965 IIa 88=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E756.2DAEAD80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:46:54 EDT From: Landrover88@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Brakes !!!!!!!!!! Paul: Welded them in place. One pin was pulled from the back plate. Dave Walls 1965 IIa 88 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:21:42 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Brakes !!!!!!!!!! On Mon, 28 May 2001, Paul Quin wrote: :No problem Dave, glad to help! : :Question: Did you take the plates off to weld them or did you manage :to do them on the truck? I've still got to weld up my rear posts and :removing the plates is such a chore... Paul, You can do it in place. Getting the top was a pain with the gun I was using, though. DAvid - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:55:37 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: LRO: Tranny query Hey folks, I am knee deep in transmission bits right now, trying to figure out what to do with all these ford and rover bits. Here's where I am getting hung up. Between the rover transmission and transfer case I am dissassembling, there is a distance piece, with a saucer shaped disk pressed onto it, for oil control I presume, on the main output shaft, where it exits the transmission, and enters the T case. I have seen this before. But, for some reason, I cannot remember ever seeing a seal riding on this distance piece, that is in the transmission, next to the rearmost output shaft bearing. The transmission is a series III suff. A, and I am wondering if this was added later in the design, or my other rover transmission, which had been previously redone I presume, had a missing seal, or is my mind turning turning to blue spongy foam, like in that movies I saw once for three bucks. The seal keeps oil in its respective case, which seems like a pretty good idea, and I am incorporating it into my adapter plate (being reworked, as everything I do is in a state of constant modification). I don't remember ever seeing a seal on my suffix A series II lowrange transfer case. Can someone shine some light into this manner... I doubt putting a seal there would hurt anything, I'm really only interested in knowing if there was always a seal there in rover transmissions. thanks, J-L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:25:25 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: LRO: Gas tank float Now I know why my gas gauge isn't working. The float, doesn't. There's a chunk of styrofoam on the end of the lever that seems to have lost the will to stay at the top. Is this material normal? I'm afraid of styrofoam chunking out into my tank and I'm not sure if it's a SPOT. I've got some rubber sump pump floats I could carve up... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:28:19 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good >I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as >chick magnents, particularly soft tops. Works at least until they notice >the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening. Amen to that! I also drive a fairly flashy Miata that I used to think got a lot of attention. Compared to Basil, it's nothing. One thing I have noticed is that the attention given to the Rover is more genuine. If people are interested, they're REALLY interested. With the Miata, they're sometimes just being polite. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:21:27 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Hotfoot! An update. It turns out that the main reason for my steamy footwell is the big hole above my clutch pedal (my PO was a creative SOB when it came to anything clutch related). Hot air is pouring directly off the exhaust manifold onto my legs. Discovered this at 55 mph today as I wore shorts and felt the wind :) So I'll patch that little problem first. I've got header wrap in the garage (as seen on the experimental aircraft, etc) that I'll try next. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:05:41 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float Styrofoam? ICK. The float should be a metal or a plastic-ish ball...don't use anything that will react with fuel or MTBE or alcohol or any of the other crap they inflict on us. Methinks a visit to a scrapyard would likely source you something useful. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:09:04 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float On Sat, 26 May 2001, Keith Tanner wrote: :Now I know why my gas gauge isn't working. The float, doesn't. There's a :chunk of styrofoam on the end of the lever that seems to have lost the will :to stay at the top. Is this material normal? I'm afraid of styrofoam :chunking out into my tank and I'm not sure if it's a SPOT. I've got some :rubber sump pump floats I could carve up... Keith, The floats I've looked at have been hollow platic. (I think I've seen one made of brass, too.) Styrofoam I'd expect to disolve in gasoline in short order. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:25:58 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Tranny query (Seal) There should be a seal in the mainshaft bearing adapter that rides on this distance piece. The disc is an oil thrower that presumably takes oil that runs off the mainshaft gear in the transfer case and throws it up to the top of the case so it will run down and lubricate the rear mainshaft bearing in the transfer case or maybe it stops tranfer case fluid running back through the mainshaft seal into the gearbox?. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:27:28 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Gas tank float Series II owners have brass balls ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:26:37 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float >The floats I've looked at have been hollow platic. (I think I've seen one >made of brass, too.) Styrofoam I'd expect to disolve in gasoline in short >order. I don't suppose a fishing float would work? Naah, that would be too cheezy and probably melt in the gas. But it's easier to get than a brass one :) Is rubber gasoline-proof? Obviously it can be produced that way, but as a general rule? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:44:36 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good Must admit my soft top and/or topless Rovers get a lot of favorable, almost lustful looks and comments, from young women. I'm not sure I'd relish the attention from the types of women, however, if I was still in the market for the attention. Most seem to be under 20, dress in a way that used to indicate their professional status, and have more body piercings than my Rover by a factor of 3 or 4. Sometimes, even the bodywork on the Rover is in better condition. Might be that most of my recent in town trips seem to be to Walmart. Definitely not the Abercrombie and Fitch crowd in that parking lot. Yes, a Series Rover seems to attract overt attention from the Ladies, but I'm not sure that term accurately describes them. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: Keith Tanner >>I've had experiences that suggest that series rovers work pretty well as >>chick magnents, particularly soft tops. Works at least until they notice >>the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening. > One thing I have noticed >is that the attention given to the Rover is more genuine. If people are >interested, they're REALLY interested. With the Miata, they're sometimes >just being polite. >Keith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:55:45 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Gas tank float Actually I think its negative earth Rovers. Seem to recall all my negative earth trucks have a brass or some similar type alloy float. Oh, by the way, its cylindrical not spherical. The float arms on these trucks were rather ingeniously adjusted for length. The sender had a pickup arm that stuck into the tank and the float had a similar arm attached. They just overlapped the two arm so the float was at the proper length then soldered the two arms together with two globs of solder. It might be a way to attach an ersatz float to the old arm especially if its plastic or some other heat affected float Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: Easton Trevor A >Series II owners have brass balls _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:08:05 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float How about cannibalizing the float from a carburetor and soldering it on. Keith Tanner wrote: > > >The floats I've looked at have been hollow platic. (I think I've seen one > >made of brass, too.) Styrofoam I'd expect to disolve in gasoline in short > >order. > > I don't suppose a fishing float would work? Naah, that would be too cheezy > and probably melt in the gas. But it's easier to get than a brass one :) > > Is rubber gasoline-proof? Obviously it can be produced that way, but as a > general rule? > > Keith - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:06:25 -0800 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Tanner :>The floats I've looked at have been hollow platic. (I think I've seen one :>made of brass, too.) Styrofoam I'd expect to disolve in gasoline in short :>order. : :I don't suppose a fishing float would work? Naah, that would be too cheezy :and probably melt in the gas. But it's easier to get than a brass one :) : :Is rubber gasoline-proof? Obviously it can be produced that way, but as a :general rule? : Keith, I stole the cork from a stone jug in my kitchen to replace the fuel logged float in my ser.II seven or eight years ago. Still seems to be working. ISTR having to bend the arm a few times so the gauge would read correctly. Bruce F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:40:08 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Gas tank float Is rubber gasoline-proof? Obviously it can be produced that way, but as a general rule? Keith Er....no. Don't try it - you don't want the contaminants in your engine. Seriously, a metal or plastic float made for the purpose should be inexpensive at an auto-parts place. Don't skimp on things that conatact fuel - this is nasty-bad practice and can cause you nothing but grief. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:47:04 From: "kyle vandyke" Subject: LRO: The benefits of lurking Hello all, Just wanted to thank all board members who had described the clutch unsticking procedure on this board in the past. I've been working on my rover for the past 14 months (with very little prior automotive knowledge) and reading most of the posts just in case any similar problem ever happened to me. Yesterday, after she's been sitting in the driveway for the past six months, I finally got her restarted only to find that the clutch wouldn't engage. I'd replaced all the clutch hydraulics (months ago) and everything seemed to be moving correctly but no functional clutch. Then I remembered other folks decribing the same problem and being told about the clutch sticking to the flywheel. I tried starting her up in gear a few times then ping! fully operational clutch. Just thought it was cool to draw on the knowledge I've learned while lurking and to actually fix something. Thanks, Kyle Van Dyke 1971 SIIA 109 1992 RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:56:12 EDT From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good David Scheidt posted: <> Series Land Rovers can serve as both chick magnet as well as filter. It can repell certain types while attracting others. In the early seventies I was astounded to discover that my 1951 Studebaker Pickup Truck worked very nicely as a chick magnet for very down-to-earth women. Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:23:30 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Looking good A neighbour has a 53 Studebaker pickup. That has to be the best looking pickup ever made. John and Muddy DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote: > > David Scheidt posted: > > < chick magnents, particularly soft tops. Works at least until they notice > the lack of radio, air-con, and any sort of sound-deadening.>> > > Series Land Rovers can serve as both chick magnet as well as filter. It can > repell certain types while attracting others. > > In the early seventies I was astounded to discover that my 1951 Studebaker > Pickup Truck worked very nicely as a chick magnet for very down-to-earth > women. > > Paul Donohue > 1965 Land Rover 109 > Denver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:41:32 -0200 From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal) Subject: LRO: Looking for Pete Cosmides #delurk Hi all Looking for Pete Cosmides. Anybody know if he still lives in NJ? Wouter #lurk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:33:30 -0400 From: Lori Sickley Subject: Re: LRO: Looking for Pete Cosmides Try PeteC219@aol.com or a post to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ROVERS-List should get a reply. Lori in PA http://www.gotsoap.com >#delurk > >Hi all > >Looking for Pete Cosmides. Anybody know if he still lives in NJ? > >Wouter >#lurk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:23:40 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: GM alternator recommendations Hey all, My alternator puked. Well, actually I think I dropped it and broke the stud on the back. Ever since the frameover I've been thinking that we wired the charge light wrong b/c it kept flickering. Whilst out on the trail with Jim Hall and Tim Czajka on Sat, it became apparent that my alternator really wasn't charging. If you wiggle the stud it'll keep on doing so, but it's pretty sketchy. At any rate, I need to replace it. A GM unit's what I need (have a pontiac engine anyway) and I'm wondering what's the beefiest one out there. I think last time I just got a 65A Sunbird Alternator. Should I be looking for something else? I know this has been discussed but I never seem to save e-mails til I think I need 'em, which is usually too late. TIA, bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:12:22 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: GM alternator recommendations Talk to a local rebuilder - the case you have is a 10SI case. Lots of times they have "upgraded" ones that will give you 80 amps or so from that case size (which is stock a 63Amp unit). the 12SI case may or may not fit on the same mount - and that one is nominally a 105 amp unit. Talk to a local rebuilder - but be prepared for sticker shock... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:06:05 -0700 From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" Subject: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement A friend of mine bought a 109 that has developed an oil leak out of the wading plug hole. I suspect a rear main leak. I know the job is a big PITA but which is the path of least resistance pulling the trans and doing it in-place or lifting the enging out to do it. Since the engine is strong and a good runner he will not go for a total rebuild yet. Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV. 1972 SIII 88" 1968 SIIB 110" FC ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #388 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 15:32:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TJWLN23070 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:32:21 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TITuP25840 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TITuW25837 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29413 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TICWt11041 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:12:32 -0400 Received: from bronco.vizitech-la.com (230.212.185.209.globalpac.com [209.185.212.230] (may be forged)) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TICU611037 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:12:30 -0400 Received: from loverlaptop ([63.194.1.242]) by bronco.vizitech-la.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA244 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:16:33 +0100 Message-ID: <00ac01c0e86c$772b1cc0$3e01a8c0@pacbell.net> From: "Dick Love" To: References: <200105261528.f4QFSbO07911@works.team.net> Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi The mechanic who rebuilt my Vincent has a pretty good petigree....Shelby's, Gurney's, Porsche (both USA and Europe) racing teams. This includes Formula 1, Can Am, and Indy. He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars before and during filming. When we fired up the Vin for the first time it was MMO that was poured into the top end before that first kick. He still pours a little in my gas tank when I bring the bike by for a "visit". It appears that he sees some value in it. Maybe just superstition but What The Hell! Why not? From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 17:00:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TL0gN23487 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:00:42 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TJwGs28948 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TJwFW28945 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20357 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TJfx312216 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:41:59 -0400 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TJfv612206 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:41:57 -0400 Received: from p7ds06a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.230.126] helo=master) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 154pNJ-0004QA-00 for lro-digest@works.team.net; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:41:53 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c0e877$3cbf5be0$2a6464c3@master> From: "Mike Rogers" To: "LRO List" Subject: : LRO: The benefits of lurking Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:28:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Hi Kyle So having experienced the benefits of the list are out of "lurk mode" now? Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 17:10:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TLAwN23585 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:10:58 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TK8b029276 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TK8aW29273 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22830 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TJs1t12443 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:54:01 -0400 Received: from kabru.pinn.net (kabru.pinn.net [198.252.201.11]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TJrw612435 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:53:58 -0400 Received: from sandygri (orf-max-7-65.pinn.net [216.9.73.65]) by kabru.pinn.net (8.11.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id f4TJfeQ21562 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010529140309.0068acb8@pinn.net> X-Sender: rover@pinn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:57:17 -0400 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" Subject: LRO: Scottish All Rover Weekend.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Ian Stuart wrote: >Cole Strange(?), with his wife Victoria, make it from Kettering - and a >few parts-folks made it - but I only saw 2 CD's - mine and Peter E's. That'll be Cole Stage - a local chap who got posted to the UK for two years or so. He's got a real nice 109 ambulance with a Mercruiser engine conversion. Not sure if he took it with him back to the UK.... *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----* | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | 757-622-7054 (H)423-4898 (FAX)757-622-7056 | *------------------------------------------------------* From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 19:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TNi6N24191 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:44:06 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TMfjx03085 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TMfiW03082 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17723 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TMLNP15800 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:21:23 -0400 Received: from calinternet.golder.ca (h-207-148-158-37.gen.cadvision.com [207.148.158.37]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TMLK615796 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:21:20 -0400 Received: by webmail.golder.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:27:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Coates, Clinton" To: "'lro-digest@Works.Team.Net'" Subject: LRO: lashing cleats Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:33:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi In Sheppard's VDE Guide, there is a good section on lashing and loading. On page 4.2-33, there are pictures of the "regular" land rover issue "long D" shaped lashing cleats that protrude into the load section of the vehicle. More interesting, however, is a rear interior shot of a blue 90 with super nifty flush mounting lashing points. Basically, an approximate 3" square chunk is removed from the upper inside wheel wells and a bar mounted in place. Hard to describe, but the picture tells volumes. Sheppard gives LR part numbers for the new and old style LR long-D cleats, but is frustratingly silent on these recessed cleats, other than to say that they are "better" (no kidding!). I have heard rumours that these are a (new?) British MOD issue, or perhaps custom made. Anyone know where to get them? Anyone know how to get ahold of Sheppard? Anyone? Clinton From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 19:51:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4TNpQN24207 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:51:26 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4TMn6Y03278 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4TMn5W03274 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18366 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4TMJXp15786 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:19:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:19:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200105292219.f4TMJXp15786@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #389 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, May 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 389 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:02:27 -0700 From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" Subject: LRO: Stray 88"? Does anyone who belongs to a tan SII 88" with a front tow bar and Ferrarri conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair facility in Fallon, NV? It has New Mexico plates and though it seems a bit rough looks complete and has a great frame. Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV. 1972 SIII 88" 1968 SIIB 110" FC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:23:59 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement Engine - most definitely. No seatbox removal and no buggering with the driveshafts or the roof (or however you lift it out). ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:31:12 -0400 From: Bill Adams Subject: Re: LRO: Rear Main Seal Replacement Steve, the engine really should come out as the crank must be pulled to replace the seal. - -- Bill Adams Motion Graphics/3D Design Director IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC badams@ibb.gov 202-205-9638 1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel 1981 Honda GoldWing Standard 1963 Pearson Vanguard "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:42:39 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? Ferrarri >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2001 09:05:35 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? I'm guessing he's not. We used to call this a Porsche conversion. It's a humorous reference to the fact that the engine is being worked on, and the major components are being stored in the back while the operation is stalled for the arrival of parts or funds. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" On Tue, 29 May 2001, "N Forbes" wrote: > > Ferrarri > >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair > > eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? > > Niall Forbes > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm > > "See the happy moron, > He doesn't give a damn. > I wish I were a moron. > My God! Perhaps I am!" > --author unknown > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:07:15 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Land Rover Exhaust Pop I had a non-landrover vehicle once, that slowed and slowed while accelerating as if building up some sort of resistance. Finally at 30 mph and foot on the floor, it completely disintergrated it's exhaust by blowing it into a million pieces like a shotgun blast. There was shredded muffler material all over the road and under the car. After that it ran very well indeed, loud but well. Mark Pilkington Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > Timing may be off but I would lay long odds you have an exhaust manifold > leak. Seen this one myself many times - usually when the downpipe loosens > up off the manifold. > > ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:08:23 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:51:41 -0400 From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" Subject: LRO: Tuning by eye Faure, Marin" wrote: >>A good quick-and-dirty way to check your mixture and ignition burn is to look at the inside of the exhaust pipe after a drive. >Such "tuning by eye" used to be a good reference. Indeed, I could judge the health of any engine by how the tailpipe looked. However, since the introduction of oxygenated fuels, particularly that evil substance methyl tetrabutyl ether, a "healthy" engine no longer has a grayish-brown exhaust. Perhaps the fuel we get in the northwest is formulated differently than the fuel in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs light gray or light brownish gray after a drive. I've noticed that newer vehicles (from the late 80s on) have exhaust pipes that almost always appear black on the inside, which I assumed was due to the changes in emissions characteristics of newer engines. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:15:37 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:26:34 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil >Marin- Sometimes I think *you* have bananas in *your* rocker cover... Probably true..... >Seriously, do you really lump MMO in with snake oil like Slick 50? One is a miracle cure, and the other is an additive that helps old engines operate smoother as they age and move into this time of designer fuels for which they weren't designed. I can only repeat what I have been told by a lot of mechanics over the years, automotive and aircraft, and to a man they lumped all additives together into their "worthless snake oil" categories. Marvel Mystery Oil was given the same cynical review as Slick-50, Prolong, STP, etc. Clever marketing, worthless product. That's what I've been told by a lot of professional mechanics who I figured knew what they were talking about, so I have no reason to dispute them. But I have no concrete proof of my own that additives do or don't work. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:18:06 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Stray 88"? > and Ferrarri > conversion (head in the back) > No Niall, not the Tessa Rossa it's the Ferrarri (Note the 2 Rs)Plumbing Supplies Field Toilet, hence the head in the back ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:20:36 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: West Marine Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:52:05 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: West Marine >They also had a couple of nice waterproof VHF tranceivers. They have built in scanners and get the weather alert channels. Is a VHF radio the same thing as a CB...can they talk to each other? Or is this something else? The only thing you'll be able to do with a marine VHF radio is talk to boats and get marine weather broadcasts. VHF is not the same as CB, and you cannot use one to talk to or receive the other. In fact, VHF marine bands are distinct from VHF aviation bands, so even though they are both "VHF" boats cannot talk to airplanes. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:33:48 -0500 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine >The only thing you'll be able to do with a marine VHF radio is talk to boats >and get marine weather broadcasts. And without a shore station license, it's illegal to operate a marine VHF when not afloat. (Not sure if a wading Rover qualifies.) The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine along with the rest of it. jeff - -- == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:04:27 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:50:27 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery >Now Jim, I can guarantee you that 90% of all professional mechanics can't reason at a high enough level to figure that out. Most couldn't fix a lawn mower with $100 bill. Marin's problem is listen to professional mechanics. I am one and I supervise 15 others and not one of those can tell the difference between objective and subjective, but that doesn't stop any one from drawing objective conclusions from small batches of subjective data. I agree that a lot of so-called professional mechanics, particularly those who work for dealerships at close-to-minimum-wage don't know much. But these are not the kind of mechanics I'm talking about. Some of them have been very experienced aircraft mechanics, for which you have to go to school, pass tests, etc. in order to get your license. Others have been the owners of independent repair shops who worked on things like Ferraris, Aston Martins, BMWs, etc., and still others were guys who made a living building hydroplane engines, both unlimited (in the days before the turbines) and limited. So I didn't consider them run-of-the-mill grease monkeys. Other than the lead substitute, the STP in my worn-out steering relay, and my ten-minute experiment with STP in 1973, I've never used an additive in any component of my SIII. In 28 years, I've never had a differential problem, transfer case problem, hub problem (other than worn-out seals), swivel ball problem, or engine problem outside of two burned exhaust valves. The driveline play in my vehicle today is exactly the same as it was when I took delivery in 1973- 1/8 of a turn, and the driveline has never been worked on or apart. So in my experience on my vehicle, I don't see where additives would have accomplished anything at all. I'm not saying they're bad (except for STP, which I know is bad from experience), only that from what I've observed and been told by people I believe have the credibility to know, additives don't do much other than drain your wallet. An engine in good condition, properly tuned, and driveline components that haven't been abused and have had their lubricants kept clean and changed on schedule shouldn't need any additives to keep them that way. A mechanic who works on the engines in the de Havilland Beavers I fly once compared additives to the sugar pills used in drug effectiveness tests- the people taking them think they're actually doing something and so sometimes exhibit improved health, when in fact, the pills aren't physically doing anything at all. So if you think Marvel Mystery Oil or Prolong or whatever is making a difference in your vehicle, by all means keep using it. Even if it isn't doing a damn thing, the fact that you think it is makes you feel better, and that can be worth the price alone. That's why I used a lead substitute. I doubt it really does anything, but I feel like I'm extending the life of my engine by putting it in. As I said, if these things were so great, engine manufacturers would be recommending them if for no other reason that to reduce warranty claims. The notion that the manufacturers aren't recommending them because they would make their engines last too long is right up there with the conspiracy notion about the 100 mpg carburetor the car makers don't want you to know about. Slightly related topic- there was an article in a recent Seattle Times about diesel-powered cars in Europe that are getting 75 mpg. The gist of the article was that Europe has embraced diesel technology (for years) and is using it to create very high-mileage vehicles. The US, on the other hand, is as usual pooh-poohing diesels as a viable power plant for smaller vehicles. In addition to the resistance from the US automakers, environmentalists are decrying the evils of diesels despite the fact that in Europe, they have gotten diesels pretty clean lately. The only remaining problem, according to the article, is the particulates in the exhaust, but apparently several manufacturers are working on filtration systems to eliminate that problem, as well. I guess the only thing that will spur US manufacturers to seriously explore new engine technologies is gas prices at European levels, which will happen eventually. The more I travel, the more amazed I am after seeing the horrendous traffic conditions all over the globe, and film at airports with hundreds or thousands of aircraft movements a day all over the globe, that the world doesn't run out of oil tomorrow. Take a busy city like Chicago, New York, LA, Denver, San Francisco, etc., and then think about the fact that the traffic and fuel use is just as heavy in Rome, London, Dubai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Sydney, Bombay, Berlin, Kuala Lumpur, etc., etc., etc., and it's hard to believe there's enough oil in the dirt to keep all this running for a day, let alone for years and years. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:25:37 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Gas tank float Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:25:25 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: LRO: Gas tank float >Now I know why my gas gauge isn't working. The float, doesn't. There's a chunk of styrofoam on the end of the lever that seems to have lost the will to stay at the top. Is this material normal? I'm afraid of styrofoam chunking out into my tank and I'm not sure if it's a SPOT. I've got some rubber sump pump floats I could carve up... In a Series III, at least, the float was a plastic cylinder that clipped into the end of the sender arm. When mine went bad years ago, I asked the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts, Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted in front of the cockpit. A float in the tank was attached to a vertical rod that stuck up through the cowling in front of you. As you used fuel, the rod would get shorter as the float moved down in the tank. The rod may have been calibrated in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes. The answer was cork. So I made a cork float that fit the arm of my sending unit. I was concerned about cork bits coming off and clogging my fuel line, and so asked the mechanics if they coated the cork with anything back in the "old days." They said, yes, shellac. So I bought a little can of shellac and painted my cork float with it. This was twenty years ago. I have not had the fuel sender off the tank since then, so I have no idea what condition my shellacked, cork float is in. But the fuel still gauge works perfectly, and my fuel line is unclogged with no cork bits in the sediment bowl or in-line filter, so I guess it's all still holding up in there. More evidence that my Land Rover is actually a "Not-A-Rover".......... :-) _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:42:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote: :in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs light gray :or light brownish gray after a drive. I've noticed that newer vehicles (from the :late 80s on) have exhaust pipes that almost always appear black on the inside, :which I assumed was due to the changes in emissions characteristics of newer :engines. : It's the catalytic converters. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:59:43 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: West Marine The Weather forecasts are the standard NOAA broadcast--you get marine along with the rest of it. jeff And most if not all 2-meter and multiband Ham radios have the capability of receiving the NOAA weather stuff... Another good reason to take the test and get a proper radio. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:09 -0700 From: "Dick Love" Subject: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil The mechanic who rebuilt my Vincent has a pretty good petigree....Shelby's, Gurney's, Porsche (both USA and Europe) racing teams. This includes Formula 1, Can Am, and Indy. He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars before and during filming. When we fired up the Vin for the first time it was MMO that was poured into the top end before that first kick. He still pours a little in my gas tank when I bring the bike by for a "visit". It appears that he sees some value in it. Maybe just superstition but What The Hell! Why not? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:19:24 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion >>> forbesn@hotmail.com 05/29/01 11:42AM >>> Ferrarri >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:21:44 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marvel Mystery Apropos of this discussion I came across the following comment last night on the Zenith Homebuilt mailing list archive. I'm not sure of the etiquette here so I haven't included the guy's email address but the archives can be found at http://www.matronics.com/search/ >A few years back when I owned a racing engine R&D business with a in house >dyno I was approached by a big name oil additive company which I won't say >who they are, anyway they wanted to use my good name to tape an infomercial >showing a small block Chevy that was highly modified running without oil. >After some prodding it was revealed that this motor was built using roller >bearings throughout. Main and rod and cam bearings were caged needles with >all of the journals chrome plated to harden them. The piston skirts were >teflon coated with teflon buttons pressed into them. This rigged engine cost >them 34,000$ to build and they wanted me to state that I built this motor and >it was using regular bearing in it.The strange thing is that they went to >some guys up in the New England area and conned them into filming it there. >If you can run a motor without oil then why not just treat all motors with >this miracle stuff and put all of the oil companies out of business. The >truly amazing thing is that people watch these shows and believe them. >Remember if it is to good to be true it is BS. Anybody want to buy a bridge? Like Marin, I am deeply dubious about anything that is not approved by engine manufacturers but I must say that Radiator Stop-Leak has worked once or twice for me quite nicely. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:29:11 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars >before and during filming. On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost Drive-in. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:36:08 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float At 10:25 29/05/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote I asked >the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts, >Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted >in front of the cockpit. A float in the tank was attached to a vertical >rod that >stuck up through the cowling in front of you. As you used fuel, the rod >would >get shorter as the float moved down in the tank. The rod may have been >calibrated >in gallons It's going back a bit but as I recall none of the Aeroncas, Cubs, or Taylorcraft I flew had any markings on the rod although why not is beyond me. It would have been simplicity in itself to at least mark quarter and half marks in paint on the things. As for the floats, yes they were cork but I also saw one that consisted of a ping pong ball expoxied or something to the end of the rod. Given the weirdnesses I later saw in more complex aircraft fuel sensing systems I sometimes wondered whether bits of coat hanger stuck on lumps of cork might not have been more appropriate technology. As for Land Rover fuel floats. Mine in the SII is a metal cylinder. A couple of years back I pulled it out in my attempt to fix some gauge problems and I discovered it to be partially flooded as a result of a pin hole leak. I got the gas out of it by putting the float on a small electric hot plate outside and heating it for about an hour and then soldering the hole. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:55 -0400 From: artbitt@netscape.net Subject: LRO: Camshaft Installation Hey all! In the process of rebuilding my "Spare" Series II engine. Got block bored .040 over, crank .020 under and head with new hardened seat, all new valves with 3 angle job etc. Was slow at the shop Saturday, so we started reassembling the engine. Got the crank and pistons in; with the new bearings of course, spins nicely. After waiting on a customer, started sticking the cam in. Goes in nicely until we get to the second (from the front) cam bearing. Ain't no way the cam is going in past it. We even managed to knock it out of it's seat (knocked back in place with a whittled down piece of 2X4.) Gave up after a while. Any ideas? Art 1960 SII "Aardvark" - -- Art Bitterman __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:28:58 +0100 From: "Mike Rogers" Subject: : LRO: The benefits of lurking Hi Kyle So having experienced the benefits of the list are out of "lurk mode" now? Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:06 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately? hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to put it on a dolly for transport. Thanks, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:33:34 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: GM alternator recommendations Alan, Thanks. I called the local dudes and procured a 95 amp one for $110. Thanks to your info re. the case designation I was able to call up sounding like a knowledgeable consumer instead of some poor schmuck who drives a really old Pontiac Sunbird. bill On Tue, 29 May 2001 10:12:22 -0400 "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" writes: > > Talk to a local rebuilder - the case you have is a 10SI case. Lots > of times > they have "upgraded" ones that will give you 80 amps or so from that > case > size (which is stock a 63Amp unit). > > the 12SI case may or may not fit on the same mount - and that one > is > nominally a 105 amp unit. > > Talk to a local rebuilder - but be prepared for sticker shock... > > ajr > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:50:39 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye > -----Original Message----- > From: David Scheidt [SMTP:dscheidt@tumbolia.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:42 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Tuning by eye > > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Faure, Marin wrote: > > :in your area, but the inside of the exhaust pipe on my SIII still runs > light gray > :or light brownish gray after a drive. I've noticed that newer vehicles > (from the > > It's the catalytic converters. > It's not the CAT but the lack of lead. Miss Golightly has no CAT and still has a black exhaust no matter how lean she burns. Marin probably still has lead in the tank from the last time he filled up :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:57:17 -0400 From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" Subject: LRO: Scottish All Rover Weekend.. Ian Stuart wrote: >Cole Strange(?), with his wife Victoria, make it from Kettering - and a >few parts-folks made it - but I only saw 2 CD's - mine and Peter E's. That'll be Cole Stage - a local chap who got posted to the UK for two years or so. He's got a real nice 109 ambulance with a Mercruiser engine conversion. Not sure if he took it with him back to the UK.... *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----* | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | 757-622-7054 (H)423-4898 (FAX)757-622-7056 | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:53:41 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid a day for three days on that junket. > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Tanner [SMTP:keith@miata.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:29 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil > > > >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars > >before and during filming. > > On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost > > Drive-in. > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:01:28 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Camshaft Installation You need to make a "cam guide" to hold the inner end of the shaft and pull it through the bearings. Or stand the engine on end and carefully lower the cam so it falls vertically into place > -----Original Message----- > From: artbitt@netscape.net [SMTP:artbitt@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:05 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: LRO: Camshaft Installation > > Hey all! > > In the process of rebuilding my "Spare" Series II engine. Got block bored > .040 over, crank .020 under and head with new hardened seat, all new > valves with 3 angle job etc. > > Was slow at the shop Saturday, so we started reassembling the engine. Got > the crank and pistons in; with the new bearings of course, spins nicely. > > After waiting on a customer, started sticking the cam in. Goes in nicely > until we get to the second (from the front) cam bearing. Ain't no way the > cam is going in past it. We even managed to knock it out of it's seat > (knocked back in place with a whittled down piece of 2X4.) > > Gave up after a while. Any ideas? > > Art > 1960 SII "Aardvark" > -- > Art Bitterman > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:02:36 -0500 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders >Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? Mine were made by ROAV member Stuart Moore . Not sure if he's still doing them or not. jeff - -- == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:14:13 -0500 From: Jeff Berg Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders My slider mounts were fabricated by Jared Silbersher. His self-imposed standard was that we should be able to lift the truck on the sliders. (And we'll be attaching shackle points to them one of these days so you could do just that.) Jared chose stainless steel as the material--and thought that I should have had him fabricate sliders from that material as well. ;-) The mounts surround to the outrigger "crossmembers" on three sides 1/2" grade 8 pins hold the "collars" in place. I'll try to take some digital photos tomorrow to illustrate what I'm talking about. RoverOn! jab - -- == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:24:16 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil I'll watch, but that sounds more like "Grand Prix". Which showed last weekend :) Keith At 15:53 29/05/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Watch for yours truly in his one and only starring role as background when >Garner crosses the line on fire at the British Grand Prix. Earned Five quid >a day for three days on that junket. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Tanner [SMTP:keith@miata.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:29 PM > > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel Mystey Oil > > > > > > >He was a mechanic for the film "Le Mans" preparing cars > > >before and during filming. > > > > On a related note - that's showing on Speedvision this weekend on The Lost > > > > Drive-in. > > > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:40:41 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: LRO: John Cranfield... you have been infected. You are sending out a virus. It goes under the heading (FWD:Virus Warning) Might want to debug yourself. Deep Windows Off! works best. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:01:34 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Low/no sulfur diesel fuel We've talked about the potential valve seat recession problems in the 2.25 petrol engine as a result of the elimination of leaded gasoline in this country (US). I'm curious if the owners of 2.25 diesel engines are facing similar potential problems as the sulfur in diesel fuel is phased out? Our trawler, which was built in 1973, is fitted with two, large, six-cylinder diesels. These engines were designed to be run on fuel containing sulfur. I don't know why the fuel companies put sulfur in diesel fuel, but they did. Now the sulfur content of diesel fuel is being reduced, and in some cases eliminated to reduce harmful emissions. I have been told by the shop that works on our engines, and I have read in several boating articles, that it's important to use a fuel additive with older diesel engines like ours, to restore the lubrication of the fuel injectors and parts of the injector or distributor pumps that used to be provided by the sulfur in the fuel. The pumps themselves are lubricated with engine oil, but there are apparently components within them that get their lubrication from the fuel passing through. The shop didn't say anything about the importance of sulfur to the valves and valve seats, however. So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to cause valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines. Anyone know? And if the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes (like hardened seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc) ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:56:05 -0500 From: Jeff Cupp Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q Don't know exactly but two or three stout guys can carry it around pretty easily. - -Jeff Cupp 1970 109 SW awaiting rebuild At 12:45 PM 5/29/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately? > >hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to put it on >a dolly for transport. > >Thanks, > >Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:41:57 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q Not much. Two healthy dudes can lift a brand new galvanized one (it stinks to do, though), tho' of course I don't know how much mud/dirt is stuck in yours. I'd guess my new one weighed about 3-400 lbs. bill On Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:06 -0700 "Rich Williams II" writes: > Anyone know how much a frame off of a 109SW weighs approximately? > > hauling my frame off to the sandblaster this week and am going to > put it on > a dolly for transport. > > Thanks, > > Rich > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:41:39 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: Re: LRO: 109 SW Fame Q > Not much. Two healthy dudes can lift a brand new galvanized one (it > stinks to do, though), tho' of course I don't know how much mud/dirt is > stuck in yours. I'd guess my new one weighed about 3-400 lbs. Not too much mud in the frame. A bunch of gravel in the rear spring outriggers, will have to get that out. Also, looks like a mouse(s) took most of the "horse hair" from the headliner and stuffed it into the main frame piece where the wiring harness runs through. Will try to flush as much of the mouse poop out as I can. After going over the stripped frame with the power washer it looks like it is just beginning to rust in several areas so off to the sandblaster with it. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:47:01 -0400 From: "Ted Treanor" Subject: LRO: Ferrari Conversion (was: Stray 88"?) I think that I may have the closest to an actual Ferrari conversion: Right now my 88" Station Wagon has a complete 2 Litre Fiat engine out of 1979 Spider resting in the rear tub. Not quite the V-12 but it is Italian ;) Ted Treanor 1962 88" SW Trumbull, CT - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On Behalf Of RON WARD Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:19 PM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: Re: LRO: Stray 88"? Spare engine parts placed in the tub = Ferrari Conversion >>> forbesn@hotmail.com 05/29/01 11:42AM >>> Ferrarri >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair eh? Ferrari conversion? Are you serious? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:12:09 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Marvel mystery oil "Faure, Marin" wrote: > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:26:34 -0400 > From: "Alex Maiolo" > Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil > > >Marin- > Sometimes I think *you* have bananas in *your* rocker cover... > I can only repeat what I have been told by a lot of mechanics over the > years, automotive and aircraft, and to a man they lumped all additives > together into their "worthless snake oil" categories. Marvel Mystery > Oil was given the same cynical review as Slick-50, Prolong, STP, etc. > Clever marketing, worthless product. That's what I've been told by > a lot of professional mechanics who I figured knew what they were talking > about, so I have no reason to dispute them. But I have no concrete proof > of my own that additives do or don't work. Actually, I have heard of (and used) a good use for STP. When you are building up an engine use STP (straight) instead of oil. Back when my dad had a garage (late '60s early '70s) they built a lot of race engines and used this method. Seems the STP did a good job of lubricating everything on the first start before the pump got pressure up (and made STP happy -- they could say they used STP in advertising). He never did this on aircraft engines, just used straight mineral oil. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:18:04 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Gas tank float "Faure, Marin" wrote: > > In a Series III, at least, the float was a plastic cylinder that clipped into > the end of the sender arm. When mine went bad years ago, I asked > the mechanics who work on the planes I fly what the old Taylorcrafts, > Piper Cubs, etc., used for floats in their gas tanks, which were mounted > in front of the cockpit. A float in the tank was attached to a vertical rod that > stuck up through the cowling in front of you. As you used fuel, the rod would > get shorter as the float moved down in the tank. The rod may have been calibrated > in gallons- I don't know as I've never flown one of those planes. The J3 I learned to fly in wasn't calabrated. When the lack of exposed wire made you nervious, you landed. Sometimes on the road beside the filling station :-) Steve ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #389 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 22:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4U2lPN24632 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:47:25 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4U1j5u06724 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4U1j4W06721 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08561 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4U1Qut18187 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:26:56 -0400 Received: from elvis.laplaza.org (elvis.laplaza.org [204.151.72.2]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4U1Ql618183 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:26:47 -0400 Received: from tccomputer (ppp39.access1.laplaza.org [204.151.72.138]) by elvis.laplaza.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09770 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <023c01c0e8a6$4363c100$664897cc@tccomputer> From: "Todd Kendrick" To: Subject: LRO: Re: Stray 88" Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:06:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did it have a Taos county tag ? Sounds like a guy named Frank. He pulled = me over on the road here one day to chat. I will give the guy credit he = has driven the old '60 Series II 88" all over the country; I know he has = been to Florida and back several times. It was redone mechanically = before he purchased and was in decent shape. Saw him again last year = when he was passing thru town. Stay far far away unless you want company = for a few days; you could probably find him at the local bar ! I don't = know about the Ferrari head though ?? Todd Kendrick Taos, NM '66 109" P/U >Does anyone who belongs to a tan SIMI 88" with a front tow bar and = Ferrarri >conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto repair facility = in >Fallon, NV? It has New Mexico plates and though it seems a bit rough = looks >complete and has a great frame. >Thanks - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV. >1972 SIII 88" >1968 SIIB 110" FC ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did it have a Taos county tag ? Sounds like a guy named Frank. He = pulled me=20 over on the road here one day to chat. I will give the guy credit he has = driven=20 the old '60 Series II 88" all over the country; I know he has been to = Florida=20 and back several times. It was redone mechanically before he = purchased  and=20 was in decent shape. Saw him again last year when he was passing thru = town. Stay=20 far far away unless you want company for a few days; you could probably = find him=20 at the local bar ! I don't know about  the Ferrari head though = ??
 
Todd Kendrick
Taos, NM
'66 109" P/U
 
 
>Does=20 anyone who belongs to a tan SIMI 88" with a front tow bar and=20 Ferrarri
>conversion (head in the back) that's sitting at an auto = repair=20 facility in
>Fallon, NV?  It has New Mexico plates and though = it=20 seems a bit rough looks
>complete and has a great = frame.

>Thanks=20 - Steve Rochna, Fallon, NV.
>1972 SIII 88"
>1968 SIIB 110"=20 FC

 
------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C0E872.7B0F7420-- From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue May 29 23:56:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4U3uON24712 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 23:56:24 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4U2s0807836 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4U2s0W07832 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15842 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4U2TMv18419 for lro-gone; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:29:22 -0400 Received: from proxima.whro.net (proxima.whro.net [64.5.129.2]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4U2TL618415 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:29:21 -0400 Received: from default (93.di.whro.net [64.5.132.93]) by proxima.whro.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:29:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010529102128.008e0490@mail.whro.net> X-Sender: elvenwood@mail.whro.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:21:28 -0400 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: no sulpher diesel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi >So I'm curious if the phase-out of sulfur in diesel fuel has the potential to cause >valve seat (or other) problems in Series diesel engines. Anyone know? And if >the removal of sulfur brings with it potential problems, are there fixes (like hardened >seats and valves, "sulfur substitute," etc) USE MARVEL MYSTERY OIL...........