From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 03:16:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4P7GON08595 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 03:16:24 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4P6DnH02115 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 02:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4P6DnW02112 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 02:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20085 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 02:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4P615J19415 for lro-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 02:01:05 -0400 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4P613619411 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 02:01:03 -0400 Received: from [209.179.252.60] (pool0352.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.251.97]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29755 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 23:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200105241847.f4OIlel14168@works.team.net> References: <200105241847.f4OIlel14168@works.team.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:06:07 -0700 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: aaron Subject: LRO: tropical roof repair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi I just bought a "new" tropical roof that has a couple of holes in it. Does anyone know the gauge aluminium I should use to make replacement pieces? Also does 3 in 1 rod or alumaweld work on birmabright? Does anyone have any tips or experiences working with it if it does? Thanks in advance, Aaron From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 10:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PEonN09243 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 10:50:49 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4PDmJ907900 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4PDmIW07896 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05184 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4PDUZC29197 for lro-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:30:35 -0400 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PDUT629184 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:30:29 -0400 Received: from pacs08a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.232.173] helo=master) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 153HdW-0004DM-00 for lro-digest@works.team.net; Fri, 25 May 2001 14:28:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c0e51e$ada00960$2a6464c3@master> From: "Mike Rogers" To: "LRO List" Subject: LRO: Marvel mystery oil Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:00:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil? I bought a US gallon today for two quid as a cheap substitute for Red X (should have been 3.50 but the tin is badly dented) the label makes a lot of claims for the benefits from adding it to both sump oil and fuel. Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 16:53:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PKrSN10187 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:53:28 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4PJoxo18479 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4PJowW18476 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 15:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11809 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 15:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4PIirF00981 for lro-digest-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 14:44:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:44:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200105251844.f4PIirF00981@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #385 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 385 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:01:18 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Think bigger Trevor. Bigger!! Using you're ingenious rockslider idea, I propose a skid plate system covering the entire undercarriage. Getting high centered would be no problem after installing that. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:02:27 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal At 14:32 24/05/01 -0400, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus, wrote >Actually, that puts me to mind of a woodworking shop i once saw in "Fine >Woodworking". This shop was essentially a one-car-garage sized shed - and a >tight one at that. Where the resawing bandsaw was the owner had built two >swing-down doors into the walls - this way, he could swing the doors down >(which had rollers on them) and pass timbers of any length through the saw >by running them in and out through the hatches! I saw that same picture, years and years ago, and I adapted the idea so I could use my tablesaw in what amounted to a garden shed. It worked just fine until the first Ottawa winter came along. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:08:36 +0100 From: "Neil Brownlee" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Hey, take it one step firther, you could fold up the wheels, James Bond style, and roll over the rocks with your underbody armoured conveyor belt...er....*slap* - ------------------------------------------------------------- Neil 1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet' 1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks, Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers Diff Guards 1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Forbes" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Rock sliders > Think bigger Trevor. Bigger!! > > Using you're ingenious rockslider idea, I propose a skid plate system > covering the entire undercarriage. Getting high centered would be no problem > after installing that. > > Niall Forbes > 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm > > "See the happy moron, > He doesn't give a damn. > I wish I were a moron. > My God! Perhaps I am!" > --author unknown > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:13:02 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Rattly V8 > ---------- > From: Paul Oxley[SMTP:paul@adventures.co.za] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:13 AM > To: Marin Faure > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Rattly V8 > >I have a 110 V8 with the most impossibly > loud, metallic tapping noise that ever did emanate from an engine. It > sounds as if a conrod is about to exit the block....We have had the heads > off on more occasions than I can recall. Have > replace conrod, pistons, all bearings, hydraulic lifters. Have miked and > replaced handfuls of push rods, at least one entire rocker assembly and > have rebuilt the oil pump twice with new gears. And still the hammering > continues. > You've got a tough thing to diagnose, there. If you've replaced all the lifters, it isn't them, unless you got a bad one in the replacement set, but then the sound would change, you would expect. Other things that come to mind, but may have nothing to do with your sound, are partially blocked oil passage(s), broken or loose piston ring(s), worn or oddly shaped cam lobe(s), broken valve spring(s), worn or loose rocker shaft (you say you've changed one of them, however). The rocker shafts wear on the underside, not on the top, so the evidence is almost impossible to detect from above. If you have removed the shafts and rockers at some point, however, the shaft wear should have been very obvious, if there was any. A couple of non-engine items that could conceivably cause such a noise, although not likely, are a partially delaminated fan or accessory belt; a bad bearing or bushing in the alternator, water pump, power steering pump, air conditioning pump; a loose accessory mount; something hitting the fan or rotating portions of an accessory. Troubleshooting is the hardest part of vehicle repair, and is one reason dealership charges are so high. Few of their "mechanics" are very good at troubleshooting, so their solution is to keep replacing stuff until the problem goes away. If they get lucky on the first component, great. But if the first replacement doesn't do it, and they start replacing additional items in their attempt to solve the problem, it can get very expensive, very fast. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:18:46 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: retransmission Removal Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:27:36 -0500 From: "Brian F. Waltman" Subject: LRO: Transmission Removal >My question concerns removal of the tranny with a frame that has the bolted on cross member. (Marsland Galvanized Frame) I understand that with this bolted on cross member feature, it is possible to drop the tranny out the bottom instead of taking out the seat box and removing from the top. My impression was that the bolt-on crossmember was developed to make it easier to remove the transmission. You will still have to remove the floor panels and transmission tunnel cover to get at the fasteners on top of the transmission, gear lever, etc. However, I don't believe you have to remove the seat box. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:33:48 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Tranny Problems Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:26:41 -0600 From: "Todd Kendrick" Subject: LRO: Tranny Problems >So instead of putting the OD back on I just put the = mainshaft bearing housing back on. Now the truck will not move. In the = forward gears I get no noise or anything; in reverse it gives a = spinning/whining sound from the gearbox. At the risk of insulting your intelligence, I assume you also replaced the small overdrive input gear on the end of the transmission output shaft with the "stock" output gear that the small overdrive gear replaces. The small overdrive gear does not mate with the transfer case intermediate gear, only the stock output gear (or the overdrive output gear) does. Simply putting on the PTO cover back on the transmission won't accomplish anything unless you replace the output gear, too. > So I go back and try and put the OD back on and it does not want to = mount back flush w/ the gearbox. Perhaps you did not let the little overdrive drive gear and the overdrive input gear line up. Make sure the transmission and transfer case are both in neutral when you install the overdrive, as this will allow the gears to rotate the little bit necessary to let all the teeth of everything line up and mate as you wiggle the overdrive around. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:36:39 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders The soviets had a similar setup on their armored reconnaissance vehicle--the BRDM. This baby (which only has 4 wheels) has a pair of chain driven wheels on each side in the middle of the thing that look like they're hydraulically lowered when you get hi-centered. Their military vehicles are super, super well made (i.e. low tolerances, idiot proof, and lots and lots of common sense ideas incorporated, like the BMP coming equipped with a side-mounted log to chain across the tracks when you get stuck.) bill On Thu, 24 May 2001 13:55:56 -0400 Easton Trevor A writes: > Teri-Ann's post started me thinking (Lord save us). If the rock > slider was > equipped with a series of rollers set inside the U channel and a > belt was > fitted around said rollers then instead of sliding one could roll > gracefully > across the rocks. The next iteration being to apply power to the > rollers and > make it into a mini tank track. One of those supermarket roller > conveyors > could provide all the parts needed for the basic version. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:56:17 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Series Gas Mileage Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:43 -0400 From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" Subject: LRO: Series Gas Mileage >I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) Solex carb from the prior owner. I've owned a 1973 SIII-88 since new. When new, it got a measured 13-15 mpg in town, and 15-17 on the highway. I installed a Fairey overdrive within a year of buying the vehicle, and on the highway the mileage changed to 17-20 mpg (I don't use the overdrive in town). I have always run 7.00 X 15.00 tires, and I have always run a stock 36IV Zenith carburetor except 1979-1982 when I ran a Rochester. The speedometer/odometer broke during a trip to the Yukon in 1977, so I removed it and installed a different instrument panel made from a sheet of aircraft aluminum. I moved the manifold pressure gauge to the position formerly occupied by the speedometer/odometer, so since then I have had no way of measuring my speed or mileage. However, it is exactly 100 miles from our house to the marina in Bellingham, WA where our trawler is moored. For the most part, the drive is on two freeways, I-405 and I-5. There are some grades, but much of the route is more or less level. We drive up and back to the boat almost every weekend, and when I use the SIII for this, it uses exactly five gallons of fuel each direction. Five into 100 is twenty, last time I looked, so it would seem I'm still getting the same highway mileage I did when the vehicle was new after the overdrive installation: 17-20 mpg. If I have to buck a strong headwind during the drive, the mileage will drop noticeably, but if the wind isn't a factor, I use five gallons each way. One hundred miles between fill-ups doesn't sound so good. There could be several things causing this, including a carburetor problem. However, a little-known culprit could be the oil-bath air cleaner, if you are running the stock filter. If the oil level is the tiniest bit higher than the fill level scribed into the base, even an eighth of an inch is too much, the airflow through the cleaner will be restricted, and your mileage will plummet. Had this happen once, and I was probably getting 10 mpg or less, even on the highway. I could practically see the fuel gauge going down. A good quick-and-dirty way to check your mixture and ignition burn is to look at the inside of the exhaust pipe after a drive. Not a short drive to the store, but one of ten miles or more after you've pushed the choke off. The inside of the pipe should be light gray or brown. If it's black, your mixture is too rich, or you are not getting proper ignition and burning of the mixture in the cylinders. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:08:19 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal Hi All-- Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > > John weasels with: > > Last thing I need is > someone posting how they used this method and put out a window. > Cheers! > > Actually, that puts me to mind of a woodworking shop i once saw in "Fine > Woodworking". This shop was essentially a one-car-garage sized shed - and a > tight one at that. Where the resawing bandsaw was the owner had built two > swing-down doors into the walls - this way, he could swing the doors down > (which had rollers on them) and pass timbers of any length through the saw > by running them in and out through the hatches! > > Talk about space efficient! > Or talk about cutting the unwary passerby in half. ... -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:41:08 -0800 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: LRO: Re: Oil seal general question - -----Original Message----- From: SJH :I'm in the process of rebuilding a chain drive koenig winch and last :night startedlooking at reinstalling seals and bearings. Chop : The chain case contains a couple of oil :seals, one for the dog clutch shifter shaft, and one for the input shaft :from the crank. These are simple cup shaped metal/rubber seals. Where :each of them fits, there appears to be enough room to double them up :because they are thinner than the original seals, but it looks as if when :I do this, there will be no space behind the seal. The inner of the two :oil seals will rest up against the case, inside the hole in which the :seals seat. Is it necessary to have a space behind the seals between the :seal and the housing? When I pulled the old seals, there was a space. : Is it a bad idea to double the seals up? Simon, I like you thought it would be a good idea to double up the inputshaft oil seal.... Three years later when I needed to replace the chain ( yea, I should've done it then) I found the outer of the two seals dry cracked, This time I only put one in there. So, my guess is by the time the inner seal fails the outer one won't hold much hypoid back. Bruce F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:39:35 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders > But you would still have either a right angle for something you are > sliding over to encounter or a sharp ramp. All something like this means > is that you could hit something harder without damage. A long ramp would > gradually lift the tank over the obstical without needing to stop and > jack the fuel tank over. Ahh, I see. So the skid plate needs to reach further forward and be angled so as to "slide" over the obstacle. Guess the design of axle protectors and such should have the same ramped shape. Thanks for the idea. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:46:00 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal You can play 'he man' and muscle out the transmission, complete with transfer case, by yourself. Or you can buy a fold up 2,000# hoist for around $200. The first way could cost you more than $10,000 in recontructive surgery and/or repairs to dropped parts, not to mention the fun of putting the trans. back in. The second way is relatively painless and you can use the hoist for all sorts of other fun stuff. Personally, I'll pay the $200 for the hoist. I'll let the 'he man' types have all the fun of R&R'ing via the strong back method. You know what they say about the relationship of back strength to other human attributes. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: Lori Sickley >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal >Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:22:19 -0400 > >With the roof on here....for those wanting a visual. >http://www.simplerthyme.com/pics/lift.html > > >Lori in PA >who now has reverse without holding the shifter with her foot : ) >http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html > > >>>Bollocks yerself, Bobeck! >>> >>> > Without a crane, how do you get >>> >the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top? >>> >>> >Dave >>> >>>Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof off in >>>my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever. >>> >>>I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such >>>silliness anymore. >>> >>> ajr > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:05:18 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage My 109 pick up with 2.5 cam and 32/26 Weber is getting 13.5mpg. Driving typically involves a 1000' altitude gain/loss each way, some 4wd on a daily basis so mileage would be to the low end of what you should expect. My 88's typically deliver 15mpg for same type of driving but with a bone stock 2 1/4. Have gotten 18mpg at 55mph in all highway driving. The only time mileage has ever dropped below 13mpg, there was something wrong. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "lro-digest@works.team.net" >Subject: LRO: Series Gas Mileage >Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:43 -0400 > >I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and >travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only >about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) >Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you >may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) >during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. >Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing >was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears >that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can >see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn >hi-test with a lead substitute. >Thanks for input. >Kurt W. Krauss >73 NAS SIII > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:38:17 -0400 From: "Braman Wing" Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question... I converted my lid to gas springs a couple of years ago... I think it makes a world of difference, especially when you're trying to balance an armload of stuff while at the same time opening the tailgate, trying to unclip the rod, etc. I designed it so that the springs help hold the lid shut in the closed position, which cuts down on a lot of rattles. I used easily available gas springs and made up brackets to attach to the tailgate with existing holes. The only holes I had to drill were in the top where the rods mount. I was going to use the original mount where the solid rods were, but my top had fatigue cracks from years of abuse, so I moved them a bit lower. It also worked out better from a spring force standpoint. I was going to make up kits and sell them, but never got around to it. If anyone is interested in seeing my setup, I'll take some pictures and measurements this weekend and try to find the spring specs. It's pretty easy to fabricate yourself, but I could still make up some kits if anyone was interested. Braman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:42:03 -0700 From: "Gerry Elam" Subject: Was: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad?: Now: danger in the desert - ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C0E49A.5F70D320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Yep, 110 today in PHX.... am driving the Discovery today and still DIDN'= T >use the air. We're headed out to the Devil's Highway (southern AZ clos= e >to the Mexico border) this weekend where hopefully, it'll cool down to a >mere 103. It's a tough world for some people. Yesterday and today, there were 14 = illegals found in the desert that died from exposure. It was 112 in Yuma= and in this area, it was reported to be 117. I had to call the guy who = is going with me and warn him that this is where we're headed on Saturday= . Luckily, it gets down to the 70s and 60s at night. This has been a route for people crossing the desert since the early 1500= 's when the Spanish headed from Mexico towards the west coat. Along this= trail, there are something like several hundred graves from those who di= dn't survive the crossing. Those who died over the last 48-hours where d= umped by their "coyote" without any food or water and told the interstate= was just ahead. There's a special place in hell for people like this. Off my soap box/trip report to follow on Monday. Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ
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>mere 103.
It's a tough world for so= me people.   Yesterday and today, there were 14 illegals found = in the desert that died from exposure.  It was 112 in Yuma and in th= is area, it was reported to be 117.  I had to call the guy who is go= ing with me and warn him that this is where we're headed on Saturday.&nbs= p; Luckily, it gets down to the 70s and 60s at night.
 
This has been a route for people crossing the desert since the = early 1500's when the Spanish headed from Mexico towards the west coat.&n= bsp; Along this trail, there are something like several hundred graves fr= om those who didn't survive the crossing.  Those who died over the l= ast 48-hours where dumped by their "coyote" without any food or water and= told the interstate was just ahead.  There's a special place in hel= l for people like this.
 
Off my soap box/trip= report to follow on Monday.
 
Cheers,
Gerr= y Elam
PHX AZ


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- ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C0E49A.5F70D320-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:06:07 -0700 From: aaron Subject: LRO: tropical roof repair I just bought a "new" tropical roof that has a couple of holes in it. Does anyone know the gauge aluminium I should use to make replacement pieces? Also does 3 in 1 rod or alumaweld work on birmabright? Does anyone have any tips or experiences working with it if it does? Thanks in advance, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:05:11 EDT From: BSharp4601@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re:Rock Sliders In a message dated 5/24/2001 11:54:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time, "Hope Peter" writes: > I have made some. They are designed to replace the standard sills. On the > 88 the mount to the bulkhead outrigger and the outrigger with the tub > mounts. How similar is your chassis to a standard 109 pickup? The truck is in pieces for painting this weekend, so I won't be able to compare it to a civilian three door regular frame until next week. It does have the two under seat tanks (and their respective outriggers) and the sawed off ambulance body outriggers. The sills are useless, they're already long gone in favor of some sliders. Several suggestions on buying them have been made, and are appreciated. Due to the eccentricities of the ambulance heritage and the Land Rover manufacturing curiosities I probably will be better off having them custom fabricated. I was going to do this in conjunction with some fuel tank shields similar to those from Kifaru. In Arizona, rocks love Land Rovers and Land Rovers love rocks, so a little extra insurance would be in order. I thought the suggestion for the slider / conveyor / roller / tank tread was ... er, creative. If you go that far, why not just add a few JATOs on each side and turn it into a Harrier Jump Rover? Talk about your ground clearance! That would be in keeping with the military heritage. The fact that it was once an ambulance may come in handy here too. ;-) Let's see, paint job, TI Console parabolics installation, then I get to try out the ACR head with a Rochester to see how close it comes to the ACR / SU combo ... I've got a busy weekend in store. Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: 52 Series I 80" 53 Series I 80" 60 Series II 88" 63 Series IIa 88" 71 Series IIa 109" 96 Discovery Series I "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:07:51 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Series Gas Mileage > The speedometer/odometer broke during a trip to the Yukon in 1977, so > I removed it and installed a different instrument panel made from a sheet > of aircraft aluminum. I moved the manifold pressure gauge to the position > formerly occupied by the speedometer/odometer What's this? A nonstock part in a Rover? For shame... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:50:46 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: tropical roof repair >Also does 3 in 1 rod or alumaweld work on birmabright? Yes. It does. The material has to be VERY clean - no contamination is tolerable. >Does anyone have any tips or experiences working with it if it does? Heat, heat, heat and more heat is the name of the game. Aluminum will wick the heat away so fast that even a beefy MAPP torch has trouble with soldeing this stuff. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:59:45 EDT From: Landrover88@aol.com Subject: LRO: Brakes !!!!!!!!!! - --part1_39.1550bc0f.283fb141_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul: Bingo Welded the posts last night and Now have great brakes. Thank You for your input. Dave Walls 1965 IIa 88 - --part1_39.1550bc0f.283fb141_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul:


Bingo  Welded the posts last night and Now have great brakes. Thank You for
your input.

Dave Walls
1965 IIa 88 - --part1_39.1550bc0f.283fb141_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:00:34 +0100 From: "Mike Rogers" Subject: LRO: Marvel mystery oil Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil? I bought a US gallon today for two quid as a cheap substitute for Red X (should have been 3.50 but the tin is badly dented) the label makes a lot of claims for the benefits from adding it to both sump oil and fuel. Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:56 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: LRO: RE: Marvel mystery oil All I know is they used to be based (PROBABLY STILL ARE) in Port Chester, NY, accross from the old Life Saver building. Sorry, can't help. Some of the more seasoned guys might know more. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:53:05 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Marvel mystery oil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:25:05 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal John weasels with: Last thing I need is someone posting how they used this method and put out a window. Actually, that puts me to mind of a woodworking shop i once saw in "Fine Woodworking". this way, he could swing the doors down (which had rollers on them) and pass timbers of any length I hope he checked the capacity of the rollers first :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:32:40 -0700 From: "Rich & Lori Williams" Subject: LRO: Dirt inside the chassis Brief progress report on my 109 frame-off: Busy day yesterday. Took the bulkhead, door posts, breakfast, fan, fan shroud, seat rail bits, battery box/oil canister thingamabob and the mud flaps (the metal ones) to the sand blasters. Two hours later they were done and I was headed back home to get everything covered in a couple coats of etching primer. By 10 pm I had sanding primer on some things and a few bits that still needed a bit more etching primer. At this point all I have that resembles a truck is a rolling chassis with a rear tub. That's coming off this weekend, then I can get to work on the chassis. No rot found yet but it's on its way. My question relates to the outriggers where the rear springs connect to the frame. The outside ends are closed but for a 3/4" opening along the bottom edge. I am assuming that they are all the same - right? Anyway, this is a wonderful soil gathering device as it is full of it - dirt that is. And this is one place I have seem frames rotted through and through - no wonder. So is there a purpose to this opening at the end of the outrigger? If not, is it smart to close it up? And how does one get all the crud out of there? I have considered pointing the power washer down in there and blasting out as much as possible. What about adding some carefully placed drain holes to assist in the flushing. Any thoughts, etc. are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rich Williams '60 SII 109 SW "Lucy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:52:08 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Transmission Removal Personally, I'll pay the $200 for the hoist. I'll let the 'he man' types have all the fun of R&R'ing via the strong back method. You know what they say about the relationship of back strength to other human attributes. So what do they say? Trevor "One ruptured disk, one shattered vertabra " Easton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:56:17 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Ahh, I see. So the skid plate needs to reach further forward and be angled so as to "slide" over the obstacle. Guess the design of axle protectors and such should have the same ramped shape. Thanks for the idea. Pete I've often thought that the front protection should be an articulated plate attached to the ends of the frame on a hinge and to the bottom of the axle housing via two short links to accomodate the length changes as the axle moves. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:26:00 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Marvel mystery oil Oh yes, Marvel Mystry Oil. I put it in my plane's oil and fuel to protect the valves. I use it in the car. I clean the Range Rovers engine internally with it, I use it to quieten stuck hydraulic lifters in the Audi, I drink it and bathe in it and wash my hair with it, I work for the factory that makes it and get gallons for free.... All that was true except for the part after the drinking it. Seriously, we use it in the planes, but strictly should not, because it is not FAA approved. I use it in my cars and Landrovers. the older Land Rover engine and the plane are from the 1950's. They were not designed to run on the rarified leaded 100 octane available today. The Land Rovers were running on 5 star in Blighty when I lived there and the planes need more lead. It is great stuff. Use it liberally. I put Prolong in my 1952 Cessna 170 plane a few years ago because it had a high time engine and the valve guides are notoriously weak on that engine. They were coated with carbon and eventually they will burn or leak. I saw an ad on TV where a Dodge Viper did 200 fast laps around a track in the Arizona Desert with no oil in it after being treated with Prolong. I thought "Ah, that is what I need" and bought some. It did not say "Not for use in Aircraft" on the bottle and neither did it say "please use in Aircraft" Anyway I put in the required amount and 3 hours later had two out of six exhaust valves stick wide open. I was flying at the time and the two affected cylinders were on the same side so she was shaking like a wet dog. After I landed and pulled of the rocker covers I saw it was the Prolong that had coated the carbon to the point where it gripped the valve stem and held it open in the guide. Marvel Mystry Oil sounds like some cure-all-elixier-hype because of it's name, but it is good. Mark Pilkington Mike Rogers wrote: > Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil? I > bought a US gallon today for two quid as a cheap substitute for Red X > (should have been 3.50 but the tin is badly dented) the label makes a lot of > claims for the benefits from adding it to both sump oil and fuel. > > Mike Rogers > Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid > LPG V8 110 project (thanks to Marijn) > (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:42:55 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Marvel mystery oil - --part1_24.14115dcf.283fd77f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 9:33:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MikeRogers@Mattishall.org.uk writes: > Yup. Good stuff and smells great too. I use it intermittently when I add petrol (every 3rd or 4th tankful). I also use it when working engine stuff (both to clean the surface and to lightly oil it)--not as a replacement of assembly lube though. I also squirt a bit into the cylinders of engines which sit for a while (about once a month) Nate - --part1_24.14115dcf.283fd77f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 9:33:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
MikeRogers@Mattishall.org.uk writes:


Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil?


Yup.  Good stuff and smells great too.  I use it intermittently when I add
petrol (every 3rd or 4th tankful).  I also use it when working engine stuff
(both to clean the surface and to lightly oil it)--not as a replacement of
assembly lube though.

I also squirt a bit into the cylinders of engines which sit for a while
(about once a month)

Nate - --part1_24.14115dcf.283fd77f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:55:52 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Dirt inside the chassis I like drain holes. Unless you pick up rocks or big clumps of mud, most stuff will hopefully just run out. Helps to be able to run water in the drain hole and out the top Better yet is to seal up the space and have drain holes. This way nothing bigger then the drain gets in there. You can squirt waxoyl periodically into the space, and if you like get some rubber shipping plugs to seal up the drain holes. I only have a couple of completely closed off box section in my fame, and these I built myself from new steel. The frame itself is wide open front to rear. Can powerwash it out that way. Coat the inside, etc. HTH Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:06:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: BP daily: high ratio transfer case kit, at $675 is BP's daily special. Hope no one else has posted this today, thought I'd let the list know. Sorry if this is a repeat. Simon, in digest mode ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:42:58 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: PTO praise not owned by Gannet are you Smokey? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Smokey Briggs To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: LRO: PTO praise > You never know when a PTO winch is going to save the day. > > You take a lot of grief owning an unairconditioned vehicle that tops out at > 50 in West Texas. I publish the newspaper here in Pecos. This morning we got > a special shipment of paper in. Paper comes in 1,000 pound rolls, 27 inches > wide. Our shipments are supposed to be shipped rolling, since we do not have > the equipment to move it when it is laid down flat. Well, this 24 roll > shipment came on the flats. You just cannot pick one of these up and set it > on end, no matter how many people you have, and its not safe to try. > > Long story short, after much scratching, I finally remembered the Koenig > winch on the front bumber of the rover. A little southern engineering and > presto, one very capable roll-tipping machine. That winch saved a lot of > money today. > > All the best from West Texas > Smokey Briggs > > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #385 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 17:24:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PLOSN10323 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:24:28 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4PKLxw19316 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4PKLwW19312 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16596 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4PK4gC02134 for lro-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:04:42 -0400 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PK4c602130 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:04:38 -0400 Received: from DONOHUEPE@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 3.bd.eb2bcd8 (4454) for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:04:28 EDT Subject: LRO: Re: Rock Sliders To: lro-digest@works.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.eb2bcd8.284014cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi --part1_bd.eb2bcd8.284014cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> You could always cover the underside of your rock crawler with those roller floors from C-130s. Where is Charles Irwin when we need him? Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver --part1_bd.eb2bcd8.284014cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<Think bigger Trevor. Bigger!!
Using you're ingenious rockslider idea, I propose a skid plate system
covering the entire undercarriage. Getting high centered would be no problem
after installing that.  >>

You could always cover the underside of your rock crawler with those roller
floors from C-130s.  
Where is Charles Irwin when we need him?

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver --part1_bd.eb2bcd8.284014cc_boundary-- From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 18:05:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PM5DN10458 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 18:05:13 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4PL2iD20155 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4PL2hW20152 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22541 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4PKmck02639 for lro-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from kabru.pinn.net (kabru.pinn.net [198.252.201.11]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PKmY602633 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:48:34 -0400 Received: from sandygri (orf-max-4-21.pinn.net [216.9.74.85]) by kabru.pinn.net (8.11.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id f4PKdH011738 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010525164016.0069a0d4@pinn.net> X-Sender: rover@pinn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:51:42 -0400 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" Subject: LRO: It's a Marvel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Mike Rogers" wrote: >Do any of you guys or gals know of a product called Marvel mystery oil? I >bought a US gallon today for two quid as a cheap substitute for Red X Ahhh...MMO...wonderful stuff. Also, a passable desert topping.... ;-) It's a high flash-point oil that is supposed to survive cylinder combustion, hence it can be used as a lead substitute to avoid valve seat recession when using oxygenated fuels. I used an "Ampco" vapor lubricator to inject a controlled amount into the carb base and I ran with regular valves for over a dozen years after leaded petrol went bye-bye. Would've gone longer, but one valve guide started to wear.... Cheers *-----"jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary"----* | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | The Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | 757-622-7054 (H)423-4898 (FAX)757-622-7056 | *------------------------------------------------------* From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri May 25 18:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PM5GN10468 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 18:05:16 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4PL2k620163 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4PL2kW20159 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22554 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4PKmXO02632 for lro-gone; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:48:33 -0400 Received: from kabru.pinn.net (kabru.pinn.net [198.252.201.11]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4PKmU602626 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:48:30 -0400 Received: from sandygri (orf-max-4-21.pinn.net [216.9.74.85]) by kabru.pinn.net (8.11.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id f4PKdF011734 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 16:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010525162939.0068a75c@pinn.net> X-Sender: rover@pinn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:51:41 -0400 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "A. P. (Sandy) Grice" Subject: LRO: Tuning by eye Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi Faure, Marin" wrote: >A good quick-and-dirty way to check your mixture and ignition burn is to look at the >inside of the exhaust pipe after a drive. Not a short drive to the store, but one >of ten miles or more after you've pushed the choke off. The inside of the pipe >should be light gray or brown. If it's black, your mixture is too rich, or you >are not getting proper ignition and burning of the mixture in the cylinders. Such "tuning by eye" used to be a good reference. Indeed, I could judge the health of any engine by how the tailpipe looked. However, since the introduction of oxygenated fuels, particularly that evil substance methyl tetrabutyl ether, a "healthy" engine no longer has a grayish-brown exhaust. Designed to leave residual oxygen in the exhaust stream (where it will eat your valves - hence the need for stellite), the only positive benefit of MTBE is obscene profits for a few corporations. Cheers