From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 00:30:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O4U1N04610 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 00:30:02 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4O3RS500243 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4O3RSW00239 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11531 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4O3ENC32016 for lro-gone; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:14:23 -0400 Received: from proxima.whro.net (proxima.whro.net [64.5.129.2]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O3EL632012 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:14:21 -0400 Received: from default (94.di.whro.net [64.5.132.94]) by proxima.whro.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:14:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010523110622.008df9a0@mail.whro.net> X-Sender: elvenwood@mail.whro.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:06:22 -0400 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi What do you use to make them out of? I thought they were a solid piece of metal. Could you please expound on these, SWMBO is starting to question the safety of side mounted ex-MOD fuel tanks and I have been considering some sort of "crash bar" type of protection. She started right after the latest on those GM trucks and their side mounted tanks. Do these sliders fit behind the Birmabright sill piece? I have been thinking about the round side mounted stuff J.C. Whitney and Summit sell. Jim Wolf From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 00:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O4gwN04744 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 00:42:58 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4O3ePd00492 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4O3eNW00489 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12612 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4O3MuL32087 for lro-gone; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:22:56 -0400 Received: from majordomo.nre.vic.gov.au (alfa.nre.vic.gov.au [203.11.140.30]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O3Mk632082 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:22:47 -0400 Received: from sysm.nre.vic.gov.au (sysm.dce.vic.gov.au [157.128.80.81]) by majordomo.nre.vic.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10919 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 13:22:39 +1000 (EST) From: Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au Received: from ctln06.nre.vic.gov.au (ctln06 [157.128.80.26]) by sysm.nre.vic.gov.au with SMTP id NAA03059 (8.8.5/IDA-1.7 for ); Thu, 24 May 2001 13:22:54 +1000 (EST) Received: by ctln06.nre.vic.gov.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 4A256A56.00128AA3 ; Thu, 24 May 2001 13:22:31 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NRE To: lro-digest@works.team.net Message-ID: <4A256A56.0012897C.00@ctln06.nre.vic.gov.au> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:18:57 +1000 Subject: LRO: Re:rock sliders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi please note, before getting too excited, the rock sliders I'm about to talk about were for light protection only - not for regularly sliding the landy over massive rocks - more for scraping against a pank, log or tree when doing tight bush work Well anyway, I made some for a 109 by removing the lower sill (crushed anyway) and replacing it with a piece of 2 inch aluminium scafold pipe (about one quarter inch wall thickness), it has to be notched around the bottom of the firewall pillar but worked fine. I cut off the crumpled piece behind the back wheel and cut a piece of the same pipe to length and then put a cut down the length of the pipe with a jig saw. The bottom of the cut panel was then 'pursuaded' into the cut and the pipe braced to the rear cross member at the rear and the chasis (frame) at the front. These lichweight 'rock sliders' took quite a bit of bumping without detrimental effects other than needing a little more black paint - but I would never have tried puttin a high-lift under them and jacking up the vehicle for instance. Richard C From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 00:57:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O4vWN04794 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 00:57:32 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4O3sx700761 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4O3sxW00758 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13915 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4O3fB832206 for lro-gone; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:41:11 -0400 Received: from kabru.pinn.net (kabru.pinn.net [198.252.201.11]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4O3f8632200 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:41:08 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (orf-max-4-11.pinn.net [216.9.74.75]) by kabru.pinn.net (8.11.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id f4O3XBq05418 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010523222955.0068d554@pinn.net> X-Sender: rover@pinn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:39:05 -0500 To: lro-digest@works.team.net From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: tranny removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi John Karlsson wrote: >I've done it with a crane and the roof off, but I think it's a lot easier >to leave the roof on, use a rope slung around the transmission and a 2x6 , >and find a helper to handle one end of the board. Whoa, dude, that's *way* too much weight to lift. A good 2X4 works just fine.... ;-) Gotta be a good, straight one, tho'.... Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* | | | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 08:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4OCtqN05490 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 08:55:52 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4OBrKn06767 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 24 May 2001 07:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4OBrJW06764 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 07:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24132 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 07:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4OBdwU07345 for lro-gone; Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:58 -0400 Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4OBdt607341 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:55 -0400 Received: from knlaw.net by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [65.203.162.166]) id QQkqju26325 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 11:39:51 GMT Message-ID: <3B0CF2FF.EF3F5415@knlaw.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:43 -0400 From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lro-digest@works.team.net" Subject: LRO: Series Gas Mileage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn hi-test with a lead substitute. Thanks for input. Kurt W. Krauss 73 NAS SIII From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 16:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4OKXvN06560 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 16:33:57 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4OJVQw19980 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4OJVPW19977 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26324 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4OIlel14168 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 24 May 2001 14:47:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200105241847.f4OIlel14168@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #384 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, May 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 384 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:28:51 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders Bill Rice had some nice ones fab'd by a local metal fabricator. I think Bill drew up some plans, took some measurements and let the guy go nuts. they are nice. >>> BSharp4601@aol.com 05/23/01 19:05 PM >>> Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my 109 ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of the former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be a typical application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator? Thanks, Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: 52 Series I 80" 53 Series I 80" 60 Series II 88" 63 Series IIa 88" 71 Series IIa 109" 96 Discovery Series I "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:35:04 -0400 From: "d.h.lowe" Subject: Re: LRO: Mad May Muddiness Too busy packing !!!!!!! CFB Pickering relocates to CFB Bowmanville next month. Psst want any car parts ....cheap. The Eastons wrote: > TARC's Mad May Muddiness takes place this weekend Sunday May 27, > Starting fro 124 Central Avenue Grimsby. at 12 Noon. A tour of the > unimproved roads on the Niagara escarpment. Plenty of rain the last > couple of days so trails should be quite challenging. All are welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:38:03 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Rock Sliders Bob, I have made some. They are designed to replace the standard sills. On the 88 the mount to the bulkhead outrigger and the outrigger with the tub mounts. How similar is your chassis to a standard 109 pickup? Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:30:41 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders I was going to make mine, but then I found out that Al at DAP sells sliders for $140 and I thought why bother... His are galvanized (I think - mine haven't arrived yet) but they could be painted black with the proper steps taken Alex Maiolo Chapel Hill NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders > Probably a local fabricator or even better, local LR owner with a welder > as they are easy to make. I have made some, and may make a pair for > Simon H, but it seems like tolerances vary widely as I had to go down to > Colo Springs to modify a pair made for a guy down there. They fit fine > on my rover, but were off by 3/4" on his. > > BSharp4601@aol.com wrote: > > > > Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my 109 > > ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of the > > former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be a typical > > application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob Sharp > > Tucson, AZ > > The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: > > 52 Series I 80" > > 53 Series I 80" > > 60 Series II 88" > > 63 Series IIa 88" > > 71 Series IIa 109" > > 96 Discovery Series I > > > > "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in > > knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" > > -- > Jim Hall > 1966 88" Elephant Chaser > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo > "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling > with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:06:22 -0400 From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: RE: Rock sliders What do you use to make them out of? I thought they were a solid piece of metal. Could you please expound on these, SWMBO is starting to question the safety of side mounted ex-MOD fuel tanks and I have been considering some sort of "crash bar" type of protection. She started right after the latest on those GM trucks and their side mounted tanks. Do these sliders fit behind the Birmabright sill piece? I have been thinking about the round side mounted stuff J.C. Whitney and Summit sell. Jim Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:18:57 +1000 From: Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au Subject: LRO: Re:rock sliders please note, before getting too excited, the rock sliders I'm about to talk about were for light protection only - not for regularly sliding the landy over massive rocks - more for scraping against a pank, log or tree when doing tight bush work Well anyway, I made some for a 109 by removing the lower sill (crushed anyway) and replacing it with a piece of 2 inch aluminium scafold pipe (about one quarter inch wall thickness), it has to be notched around the bottom of the firewall pillar but worked fine. I cut off the crumpled piece behind the back wheel and cut a piece of the same pipe to length and then put a cut down the length of the pipe with a jig saw. The bottom of the cut panel was then 'pursuaded' into the cut and the pipe braced to the rear cross member at the rear and the chasis (frame) at the front. These lichweight 'rock sliders' took quite a bit of bumping without detrimental effects other than needing a little more black paint - but I would never have tried puttin a high-lift under them and jacking up the vehicle for instance. Richard C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:39:05 -0500 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: tranny removal John Karlsson wrote: >I've done it with a crane and the roof off, but I think it's a lot easier >to leave the roof on, use a rope slung around the transmission and a 2x6 , >and find a helper to handle one end of the board. Whoa, dude, that's *way* too much weight to lift. A good 2X4 works just fine.... ;-) Gotta be a good, straight one, tho'.... Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* | | | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:27:58 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders Actually, mine were made by me (standing around saying "ahh" mostly) and Lee Garret (whose name I may have just misspelled) when I was at Ft. Leavenworth (not in jail, I might add). We just measured the sills, bought some square profile 3/16" or 1/4" or maybe even 1/8" wall tubing, had the metal place lop the ends off at an angle, welded caps on the ends, and welded two pieces of angle iron to each, through which we drilled holes for mounting 'em to the bulkhead outrigger and the tub outrigger on my 109SW. Only problem on a PU may be the forward tank fouling the sliders, which one would with my sliders, tho' I guess we could've positioned them further out and avoided that problem altogether. bill On Wed, 23 May 2001 21:28:51 -0400 "RON WARD" writes: > Bill Rice had some nice ones fab'd by a local metal fabricator. I > think Bill drew up some plans, took some measurements and let the > guy go nuts. they are nice. > > >>> BSharp4601@aol.com 05/23/01 19:05 PM >>> > Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my > 109 > ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of > the > former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be > a typical > application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator? > > Thanks, > > Bob Sharp > Tucson, AZ > The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: > 52 Series I 80" > 53 Series I 80" > 60 Series II 88" > 63 Series IIa 88" > 71 Series IIa 109" > 96 Discovery Series I > > "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results > in > knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:43:36 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Guess what?? More people died in Ford trucks than died in Chevy trucks of the period. Yes there were slightly more fires in the Chevy than Ford but if you wanted a better chance to stay alive in an accident, you should have been driving a Chevy, saddle tanks and all. This is another one of those manufactured hysteria crises courtesy of your local ambulance chaser. Yes it would be nice to have more protection for the tanks. Will it guarantee your survival to your 100th anniversary, not likely. Tell your wife to think rationally. Living is dangerous, the only alternative is more so to longevity. If the US falters as an economic power, the cause will be laid at the feet of the Product liability attorneys. Aloha Peter >From: "James G.Wolf" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro-digest@Works.Team.Net >Subject: LRO: RE: Rock sliders >Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:06:22 -0400 > >What do you use to make them out of? I thought they were a solid piece of >metal. Could you please expound on these, SWMBO is starting >to question the safety of side mounted ex-MOD fuel tanks and I have been >considering some sort of "crash bar" type of protection. >She started right after the latest on those GM trucks and their side >mounted tanks. Do these sliders fit behind the Birmabright sill piece? >I have been thinking about the round side mounted stuff J.C. Whitney and >Summit sell. >Jim Wolf > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:33:14 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: sliders Oh yeah, total materials cost for my sliders was about $50. We scrounged the angle iron bits from their scrap bin, as well as the steel used for capping the ends. You pay for this by the lb. at most joints, so it ends up being super cheap. After the steel shop cut the ends of the tubing (which they did for free when they cut the tubing for me, which they had to do anyway), I can't imagine labor to have a pro. welder attach the angle iron and cap the ends would go to more than $50 or so. bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:10:18 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Rock sliders > What do you use to make them out of? I thought they were a solid piece of > Do these sliders fit behind the Birmabright sill piece? Aloha Jim. I made mine from 2x3x3/16 tubing. I cut the ends to match the shape of the stock sill, and then capped the ends closed. I made mine to totally replace the stock sills. Because of the radius of the corners of the tubing, they don't look like %100 like stock, but very close. From the side it's very hard to tell, only notice when looking at an angle. The tubing is notched around the bulkhead outrigger. It is then reinforced with a piece of 2x2x1/4 angle welded in side the tub, and it is capped. A tab is welded here so that the front end is mounted to the bulkhead outrigger bolt. The rear has a bracket to mount to the outrigger at the front of the tub. My outrigger here is made from the same 3x5 tubing that I made my frame from, so there it is plenty strong. I dont remember what the stock ones were like. I have since removed the sills, I am going to trim thr leading edge of the rear wheel well, so need to remove about 1-2 inches from the sills. WHen I do the wheel well I am also planning on making a short extension to the rear bumper to protect the back end of the wheel well when coming down off of ledges or logs. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:40:43 +0200 From: "Bart Kuil" Subject: LRO: rotor Is there difference between the rotor of a contactbreak ignition and a electronic ignition (35DLM8) of a Range Rover? Thanks, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:50:08 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal Dave sniggers: - -and it sounds like your opinion on that is based merely on speculation- is much easier, and safer. It may be easier - but I will not say safer unless you have the top end already stripped out as if you were replacing it from above. In is still a major issue - changing angles and moving it to seat it is much easier when it doesn't have a single point of support. Maneuvering room under a vehicle on its wheels is simply too limited for my tastes - and yes I have replaced automobile transmissions from below on cars designed for it. With the right gear either way is simple - and I don't mean a floor jack for the bottom lift. That is tippy as Hell - and even Rover on their later models specified a carrier to be bolted to the transmissions for removal from below. Were I to do it this way I'd insist on a specialized transmission jack - ti's the safest and easiest way. My own favorite way to remove a transmission is in pieces - pull the transfer and gearbox separately if they're being serviced. It's not a lot longer, and the pieces are then light enough to manhandle in and out of the car by hand with little effort. Also, installing a gearbox this way is a piece of cake - set it on the guide pins, slip it forward and seat it. No fuss, no effort, no crane, and no back work. What do you have against removing a seatbox? 15 minutes with the air ratchet on any seatbox I've ever removed more than once and the thing's right out. Pop the seat bases, undo the bolts and Bob's yer uncle. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:56:24 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Tranny Problems Todd, did you put the output gear back on too, or just leave the OD clutch on the shaft? The OD clutch won't get you too far...it doesn't mesh with the gears. As far as reseating the OD, disconnect the HT lead and with the truck in 1st bump the starter while pushing on the OD WITH THE TRANSFER CASE IN NEUTRAL - the shaft needs to align to the splines in the cup to lock down the rest of the way. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:43 -0400 From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" Subject: LRO: Series Gas Mileage I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn hi-test with a lead substitute. Thanks for input. Kurt W. Krauss 73 NAS SIII ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:39:19 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Mad May Muddiness Need any assistance moving? Scavenging for useful parts being the incentive of course. (TANSTAAFL) > -----Original Message----- > From: d.h.lowe [SMTP:dhlowe@idirect.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:35 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: Re: LRO: Mad May Muddiness > > Too busy packing !!!!!!! CFB Pickering relocates to CFB Bowmanville next > month. > Psst want any car parts ....cheap. > > The Eastons wrote: > > > TARC's Mad May Muddiness takes place this weekend Sunday May 27, > > Starting fro 124 Central Avenue Grimsby. at 12 Noon. A tour of the > > unimproved roads on the Niagara escarpment. Plenty of rain the last > > couple of days so trails should be quite challenging. All are welcome. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:56:07 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage Kurt, if you're only getting 11-2 MPG (highway?) then something is not quite right. Miss Jessica and I (58 88 S.II) regularly get 17-18 MPG on the highway at 55, or 65 if in OD. at 70ish the mileage and noise sucks.... Seriously, this would make me think that the carb is not jetted right or something is still amiss in the timing (too far retarded?). ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:54:53 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage Around 20 with a webber 1 bbl. KURT W. KRAUSS wrote: > > I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and > travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only > about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) > Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you > may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) > during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. > Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing > was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears > that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can > see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn > hi-test with a lead substitute. > Thanks for input. > Kurt W. Krauss > 73 NAS SIII - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:09:57 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE:Nate's Note on DOT See http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa2801.htm for Wednesday's DOT press release ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:27:49 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Rock Sliders Hmmm, Bill, my memory is fading, what was it you drew up plans for the guy at Cotton's to fabricate for you? Was it that winch plate? >>> jarvis64@juno.com 05/23/01 11:27PM >>> Actually, mine were made by me (standing around saying "ahh" mostly) and Lee Garret (whose name I may have just misspelled) when I was at Ft. Leavenworth (not in jail, I might add). We just measured the sills, bought some square profile 3/16" or 1/4" or maybe even 1/8" wall tubing, had the metal place lop the ends off at an angle, welded caps on the ends, and welded two pieces of angle iron to each, through which we drilled holes for mounting 'em to the bulkhead outrigger and the tub outrigger on my 109SW. Only problem on a PU may be the forward tank fouling the sliders, which one would with my sliders, tho' I guess we could've positioned them further out and avoided that problem altogether. bill On Wed, 23 May 2001 21:28:51 -0400 "RON WARD" writes: > Bill Rice had some nice ones fab'd by a local metal fabricator. I > think Bill drew up some plans, took some measurements and let the > guy go nuts. they are nice. > > >>> BSharp4601@aol.com 05/23/01 19:05 PM >>> > Is anyone making rock sliders for Series trucks? I want to equip my > 109 > ex-MOD with some under body / sill protection. The truck is one of > the > former ambulances converted to a three door regular, so it won't be > a typical > application. Or is my best bet going to be a local fabricator? > > Thanks, > > Bob Sharp > Tucson, AZ > The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: > 52 Series I 80" > 53 Series I 80" > 60 Series II 88" > 63 Series IIa 88" > 71 Series IIa 109" > 96 Discovery Series I > > "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results > in > knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:38:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE:Nate's Note on DOT >See http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa2801.htm for Wednesday's DOT press >release DOT's nice.....tanks for the information.....8*) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:03:25 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: RE:Nate's Note on DOT Fer sher, man (your turn next Mr Cranfield) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [SMTP:Alan_Richer@Lotus.com] > > DOT's nice.....tanks for the information.....8*) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:25:22 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage On Thu, 24 May 2001, KURT W. KRAUSS wrote: :I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and :travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only :about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) :Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you :may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) :during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. :Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing :was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears :that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can ^^^ 12, dammit. 10 imperial, 12 US. You should get more than 12 MPG, though not a whole lot more, somewhere around 15 MPG, depending on how heavy your right foot is. I'd bet your carb is jetted wrong. You might get lucky and have something like a choke that's not coming off all the way, which excessivly enrichen your mixture. :see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn :hi-test with a lead substitute. Why hi-test? The rover engine doesn't need it. If you've an overwhelming desire to waste money, send it to me. I'll spend it on Rover parts. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2001 06:42:35 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage On Thu, 24 May 2001, "KURT W. KRAUSS" wrote: >I'd like to hear what others are >experiencing as to gas mileage and >travel range on their Series >vehicles. Kurt, I run a weber on the 62 88, 235/85-16's, no OD. I rebuilt the engine and carb last fall. It's still a 7:1 head. I also installed a Pertronix ignition module. I was getting about 15 mpg before the rebuild, I now get a steady 17 mpg in mixed city/highway driving. I generally do not exceed 55 mph. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:42:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Oil seal general question I'm in the process of rebuilding a chain drive koenig winch and last night startedlooking at reinstalling seals and bearings. I'll be picking up a chain, new sprockets today and all but the dog clutch shifter fork at the machinist's tomorrow. The chain case contains a couple of oil seals, one for the dog clutch shifter shaft, and one for the input shaft from the crank. These are simple cup shaped metal/rubber seals. Where each of them fits, there appears to be enough room to double them up because they are thinner than the original seals, but it looks as if when I do this, there will be no space behind the seal. The inner of the two oil seals will rest up against the case, inside the hole in which the seals seat. Is it necessary to have a space behind the seals between the seal and the housing? When I pulled the old seals, there was a space. Is it a bad idea to double the seals up? These seals are both at the lowest point of teh chain case, so they will be submerged at all times and so I'd like to have the "insurance" of two seals if there is a benefit to doubling them up. There is one more seal on the forward reverse shifter shaft, and I don't plan to double it up. Simon (on digest mode) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 01 07:56:53 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders > SWMBO is starting >to question the safety of side mounted ex-MOD fuel tanks Me too. But as the driver I have a strict policy about accidents I do not want to get involved in one. Which is why I tend to be a conservative very defensive driver. However I'm sure there is an idiot out there who would love to ram his vehicle into the side of my LR. So I have been giving rock slider/ side impact protectors some thought. Mounting points: bulkhead cross member, front fuel tank mount cross member, rear fuel tank mount cross member, cross member that mounts the front of the rear leaf spring. These cross members provide substantial mounting points close together and most importantly on both sides of the fuel tank(s). The slider would replace both the bottom skirt and the galvanized strip that the seat box and outside edge of the floor sits on. I was thinking of having it stick out to the side at about one inch proud of the side panels. For a side profile I was thinking of a modified skirt shape. Starting at the front it curve down following the skirt curve but instead of going to a horizontal line at the bottom, have a slight angle towards the front bottom corner of the side fuel tank. When it reaches a spot just in front of the fuel tank about a half inch lower than the fuel tank, have it go horizontal for the length of the fuel tank. Once past the fuel tank a slight angle back to the stock bottom skirt rear curve. It has always bothered me that every series slider I have seen does not protect the fuel tank when sliding up on something. It is almost like the fuel tank is there to protect that part of the rock slider. You really do not loose ground clearance with my slider profile because you need to clear the fuel tank anyway. But you do get gradual ramps for clearing the fuel tank when dragging a LR over an obstacle. Otherwise you drag the side of the body over something and encounter the bottom edge of a fuel tank hanging out down below. Anyway, for construction, I was thinking one of two things. One would be to make it out of flat panels and weld the seams together like the LR frame. The other would be to get suitable 'U' channel. The back of the 'U' would be the top of the slider. The sides of the 'U' would hang down and be trimmed along the bottom then a flat length of steel welded along the bottom to box it in. One would need to make an accommodation of some kind for the bottom of the doors. I'm not that far in my slider daydreaming process yet. Could be all you will need to do is add a bottom rubber seal to the bottom of the door. Or it could be you just leave the galvanized strip of steel in place. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 01 08:17:40 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: parabolic springs? Fact or fad? >I mentioned just that a work today... maybe some kind of *party*. We'll >see but there probably won't be a huge need this fall. Too close and too >much work. I swear, once I get through this year, things will slow down. > >Yep, 110 today in PHX.... am driving the Discovery today and still DIDN'T >use the air. We're headed out to the Devil's Highway (southern AZ close >to the Mexico border) this weekend where hopefully, it'll cool down to a >mere 103. Zowie. Your bringing this up because you know I consider 75 to be a very hot summer day where I live and I just about die from the heat on those few days per year when it hits 80. That is why I mentined fall, say late fall as the earliest for a work on Dormie party. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:17:42 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage I normally get about 15mpg but I have seen 20+ on a gentle highway cruse (50mph). On 24 May 2001, at 7:39, KURT W. KRAUSS wrote: > I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and > travel range on their Series vehicles. I seem to be able to travel only > about 100 miles between fill ups on my 1973 SIII with a (incorrect) > Solex carb from the prior owner. There are no gas leaks. Some of you > may recall that this was the vehicle that was backfiring (popping) > during deceleration and I complained about smoking during start up. > Subsequently, valve seals were replaced, so no more smoking and timing > was set and a new set of plugs were installed. In any event, it appears > that I'm only getting about 11-12 mpg and with a 10 gallon tank, I can > see why so many jerry cans and auxiliary tanks are sold. I do burn > hi-test with a lead substitute. Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:22:19 -0400 From: Lori Sickley Subject: Re: LRO: Transmission Removal With the roof on here....for those wanting a visual. http://www.simplerthyme.com/pics/lift.html Lori in PA who now has reverse without holding the shifter with her foot : ) http://www.simplerthyme.com/store/LR.html >>Bollocks yerself, Bobeck! >> >> > Without a crane, how do you get >> >the trans out the door of the truck when you come out the top? >> >> >Dave >> >>Easily - done it more than once w/ a lousy Come-along and the roof off in >>my garage...or under a tree...or under a swing set...or wherever. >> >>I do, however, have an engine crane now and tend not to perform such >>silliness anymore. >> >> ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 01 08:34:08 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re:rock sliders >please note, before getting too excited, the rock sliders I'm about to talk >about were for light protection only - not for regularly sliding the landy >over massive rocks - more for scraping against a pank, log or tree >when doing tight bush work I currently have aluminum diamond plate poprivited to my stock side skirts for just this kind of thing. I have to do a little straightening or replace poprivets once and a while but it works very well for sanding the bark on trees, reshaping banks and moving against the occasional rock. the aluminum diamond plate has stayed remarkabley nice looking. Especially with all the action the off side gets. http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/LR/GRpropanedoor98.htm Shows part of the plating. Take care, TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 01 08:49:24 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Series Gas Mileage >I'd like to hear what others are experiencing as to gas mileage and >travel range on their Series vehicles. When I had a 2-1/4L petrol engine, I was getting 16sh MPH on the open highway (Sometime a little better with tail winds someimes a little worse with head winds) that dropped down to around 12-13ish in stop and go driving. I was running a Rochester. Strangely enough I'm getting the same to maybe a tad better with the 302 V8. I've just added an Ashcroft high ratio transfer case. My revs are lower on the highway and I have yet to figure milage with the new high ratio gearing. > I do burn hi-test with a lead substitute. Why? I always used and still use regular and no lead subsititute. Your series III is only 8:1 compression. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:33:30 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders > I'm not that far in my slider daydreaming process yet. Could > be all you will need to do is add a bottom rubber seal to the bottom of > the door. Or it could be you just leave the galvanized strip of steel in > place. I was able to trim my channel so that it still does it's job, but has lost some strength. It rests atop the slider, so this was not a problem. I love the idea of having the the slider go down to the fuel tank. I am worried about rolling over a rock and having it miss the slider and frame rail, but still hit the fuel tank, so I am working on a shield. Would be shaped like the one that is soldered to the fuel tank, but form from thicker steel. Would have about 1/4" gap between the bottom of the tank so it can be cleaned out. would mount using the same holes as the fuel tank. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:45:30 EDT From: Solihull@aol.com Subject: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal With the seat box out and everything out of the way (s2a doors bungied wide open, s3 doors, do the best you can) procure the following: a ten or twelve foot pole, even a 2x4, some cargo straps or old seat belt webbing, even rope (chains not needed), some friends and some incentives/rewards. Loosen the trans/xfercase assembly; all bellhousing nuts off? Driveshafts disconnected? Rear tranny mounts? Speedo cable? Don't forget the parking brake, better yet, get it on out of the way as well. Taking the steering wheel off might help too. Make a sling that will support the boxes just aft of the shifter rod cover. Slide the pole through the top of the sling. Leave most of the pole outside the vehicle, opposite the side you want the gearbox to come out of. Get a couple of friends on either side of the pole and lift and separate from the engine. You supervise from inside the truck if you like. A jack under the engine to tilt it up in the rear might help, even have a piece of wood around to stick between the bellhousing and the crossmember after it's out. Pass the whole affair out the other side of the vehicle, reassigning crew as needed. Set assembly down, pass out the incentives (beer works for my crew) and Bob's yer uncle. Didn't even have to take off the top. Cheers! John Dillingham Vintage Rover Service Canton, Georgia 85 Range Rover Vogue 5speed 68 SWB series IIa 72 SWB series III ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:55:56 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Teri-Ann's post started me thinking (Lord save us). If the rock slider was equipped with a series of rollers set inside the U channel and a belt was fitted around said rollers then instead of sliding one could roll gracefully across the rocks. The next iteration being to apply power to the rollers and make it into a mini tank track. One of those supermarket roller conveyors could provide all the parts needed for the basic version. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:01:19 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal {Great description deleted} And here folks we have the Good Ol' Boy's method of transmission removal.... Couldn't have said it better myself - and if I had the room in my garage to swing things that long would do it that way. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:15:15 EDT From: Solihull@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal In a message dated 05/24/2001 11:04:34, Alan_Richer@Lotus.com writes: >room in my garage to >swing things that long would do it that way. Garage? What garage? We don't need no steenkin' garage! Seriously, this is best done outside. There, how's that for a caveat. Last thing I need is someone posting how they used this method and put out a window. Cheers! John Dillingham I think I'll go out to the shop now and see about setting up the new liftmaster 5000 Vintage Rover Service Canton, Georgia 85 Range Rover Vogue 5speed 68 SWB series IIa 72 SWB series III ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:22:53 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Rock sliders Re: Roller Sliders: I would worry about the rollers' weight loading in a situation like that - seems to me that essentially the roller could be handling a significant percentage of the weight of the vehickle in a pointy-rock situation. Errrrr...might that not be a bit heavy? aj"Pessimists R' Us"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:32:38 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: B'wana pole, was Transmission Removal John weasels with: Last thing I need is someone posting how they used this method and put out a window. Cheers! Actually, that puts me to mind of a woodworking shop i once saw in "Fine Woodworking". This shop was essentially a one-car-garage sized shed - and a tight one at that. Where the resawing bandsaw was the owner had built two swing-down doors into the walls - this way, he could swing the doors down (which had rollers on them) and pass timbers of any length through the saw by running them in and out through the hatches! Talk about space efficient! ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 01 10:54:25 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Rock sliders > I am >worried about rolling over a rock and having it miss the slider and frame >rail, but still hit the fuel tank, so I am working on a shield. Would be >shaped like the one that is soldered to the fuel tank, but form from thicker >steel. Would have about 1/4" gap between the bottom of the tank so it can >be cleaned out. would mount using the same holes as the fuel tank. But you would still have either a right angle for something you are sliding over to encounter or a sharp ramp. All something like this means is that you could hit something harder without damage. A long ramp would gradually lift the tank over the obstical without needing to stop and jack the fuel tank over. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #384 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu May 24 23:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4P38vN07230 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 23:08:57 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f4P26MJ28000 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4P26MW27997 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22731 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4P1awA18027 for lro-gone; Thu, 24 May 2001 21:36:58 -0400 Received: from gem.lightlink.com (gem.lightlink.com [205.232.34.13]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4P1at618022 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 21:36:55 -0400 Received: from 43yk101 (usr8.lightlink.com [205.232.34.90]) by gem.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA31791 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 21:36:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c0e4bb$614c9500$5a22e8cd@43yk101> From: "Braman Wing" To: References: <200105231549.f4NFnJJ24600@works.team.net> Subject: RE: LRO: Liftgate/Lid question... Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:38:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi I converted my lid to gas springs a couple of years ago... I think it makes a world of difference, especially when you're trying to balance an armload of stuff while at the same time opening the tailgate, trying to unclip the rod, etc. I designed it so that the springs help hold the lid shut in the closed position, which cuts down on a lot of rattles. I used easily available gas springs and made up brackets to attach to the tailgate with existing holes. The only holes I had to drill were in the top where the rods mount. I was going to use the original mount where the solid rods were, but my top had fatigue cracks from years of abuse, so I moved them a bit lower. It also worked out better from a spring force standpoint. I was going to make up kits and sell them, but never got around to it. If anyone is interested in seeing my setup, I'll take some pictures and measurements this weekend and try to find the spring specs. It's pretty easy to fabricate yourself, but I could still make up some kits if anyone was interested. Braman